Batman Begins - Page 6

*KROW* · 06-20-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

"Batman Forever" was the one who introduced Robin, and that was only one of the many problems the two Schumacher films had. Not the Robin concept, but the fact that Chris O'Donnell was a whiny bitch and completely unlikable as Robin. Dick Grayson was supposed to be a likable character; O'Donnell played him more like Jason Todd, who was hated by so many that they eventually voted to have the character killed off. And while it wasn't as bad as "Batman and Robin", it (like so many movies back then) suffered from Jim Carrey disease, where every movie company thought they needed Jim Carrey in it to turn a profit. No, contrary to popular opinion, I thought his performance as the Riddler was horrendous, even moreso because it took the tragic, mentally disturbed character of Two-Face and ruined it for the sole reason of Tommy Lee Jones feeling he had to upstage Carrey. In the comics, Two-Face's duality and his psyche went much deeper than the shallow, "babbling idiot on crack" that Jones portrayed him as. And I do feel that given a better script and no Jim Carrey, Jones would have made a really good Two-Face. Shame.

Well, I do think that as long as there's a contract stipulating that Joel Schumacher, Jim Carrey, Governor Arnold, and the rubber Bat-Nipples aren't even allowed on the set of a Batman movie (or any DC comics movie, for that matter) ever, ever again, the Batman franchise should be safe for the forseeable future.

I agree there in a way. I did dislike O'Donnell as Robin, but I never compared him to the Jason Todd version until now. I simply never noticed the comparison until you pointed it out. Now that I realize it, I have a new perspective on the film, which I thought was still pretty good.

Also, though I am a big Jim Carrey fan, I didn't particularly care for his performance of the Riddler. It reminded me too much (way too much) of the Joker. To me it was as if he was trying to actually be the Joker instead of the highly intelligent villain he was cast as.

I also agree that Two-Face's part in the movie wasn't done to the character's justice either. I think Tommy Lee Jones could have done a great job if he wasn't stuck with such a bad direction to play the part. I think that instead of having the acid that burned his face and his psyche go so deep as to make him a cackling and raving lunatic (again, like the Joker) and more of a sinister and diabolical man obsessed with the number two and trying to brandish out a perverted form of justice, then perhaps the movie could have been more enjoyable.

As for the uber-colorful and uber-terrible 4th film, I'll simply say that I hated it for all the right reasons... just like everybody else on the planet.

I also hated the music and the Bat-nipples, but I won't get into that.

*The Stryker* · 06-20-2005, 08:12 PM

"freeze Da HEROOOOES!!"

*XERO* · 06-20-2005, 09:03 PM

'You're not cinding meee to da coola!'

*The Stryker* · 06-20-2005, 11:58 PM

Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have signed to star in a second Batman movie, but love interest Katie Holmes has been dropped. Movie bosses are thrilled with the response to Batman Begins - it took $46.9 million in its first weekend at the US box office - and have snapped up the film's stars for a sequel. Bale as Batman was the first to put pen to paper, followed by Caine as butler Alfred and Freeman as Bruce Wayne's business associate Lucius Fox. But Holmes won't reprise her role as district attorney Rachel Dawes - reportedly because Warner Bros is angry her engagement to Tom Cruise has stolen media attention away from the movie. A source tells Pagesix.Com, "Everyone is in agreement that the movie's strength is with Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman." Adding of Holmes, "She won't be in the sequel... the next romantic interest will be a much stronger actress. Warner is happy that people are now focusing on who'll be playing the

Spoiler:

rather than Katie and Tom."

source-imdb

No Katie Holmes, Although IMDB isn't that trustworthy even this bit of news is Encouraging!

*Mecha Cow* · 06-21-2005, 05:04 PM

Just got back from seeing it. Great movie, very well done, loved it.

I'll be getting this on DVD for sure.

IceFlash78 · 06-22-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow

Just got back from seeing it. Great movie, very well done, loved it.

I'll be getting this on DVD for sure.

Definately... This, Constantine (maybe) and Sideways are definately my next DVD purchases.

You know guys... I"m HAPPY that they're making a sequel (as long as it doesn't suck -_-).. but you know... I'm also happy that they ended the movie the way they did...leading right into the Tim Burton's Batman, so that if the sequel goes kabumpt, Batman Begins STILL ties in with the subsequent four films (even though they suck... it still counts for something..)

**Barkworm** · 06-22-2005, 04:14 PM

Wooohooo! I think I'm the first person in this thread who didn't like it. Actually I don't really think that it was bad but if there's one thing that ruins a movie for me, it's a rushed plot and bad editing. I missed slower scenes. Even the calm scenes felt too hectic to me.
Other things I didn't like:
- Ra's Al Ghul (I wish he were more like in the comics)
- Some extremely cheesy lines (that line from Gordon after he saw the Batmobile was painful)
- James Gordon (Oldman looked great as Gordon but I thought he was kinda wimpy)
- Annoying kid ("Boohoo Batman, I want my mommy!!!")
- Scarecrow's end (pathetic)

To sum up, I don't see what all the hype is about. But maybe I have a fever or something because my brother loved it and we usually agree about every movie.

*ZariusTwo* · 06-22-2005, 05:21 PM

The movie was excellent, and next to Burtons', the greatest interpretation of Batman on screen.

Bale IS Batman, his version of the character was far truer than previous versions, Gordon actually acted like Gordon this time, and the acting from everybody was great, but I had a problem with some scenes blatantly ripping off Burtons' first Batman movie, like when Batman takes Rachel to the Batcave after a veichiculer chase, giving her the antidote to the fear gas before sedating her again, not to metion the fact I did'nt give a damn about Rachel, why did'nt they use Silver St. Cloud or Vesper Fairchild? Mary Sues in Batman movies provoke NO reaction from the comic audience, she just came off as typically generic

There was also minimum use of The Scarecrow, and his fate was ridiculous, the guys' the first person to kick Batman's ass and he's later owned by Rachels' taser. Yeah. Innovative.

Return of the Joker still owns every Batman movie overall

*ZariusTwo* · 06-22-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by raphael_is_cool

don't be so stupid.

Don't be so f*cking ignorant, the guy was pushing it as fact

*Brodie* · 06-22-2005, 07:34 PM

Whoa, settle down, prick. You're just pissed people have independent thought, we all know you hate anyone who has an opinion that isn't yours.

You're a lot like MP, but with a bigger vocabulary.

*The Stryker* · 06-22-2005, 09:08 PM

^^ So true

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Originally Posted by IceFlash78

You know guys... I"m HAPPY that they're making a sequel (as long as it doesn't suck -_-).. but you know... I'm also happy that they ended the movie the way they did...leading right into the Tim Burton's Batman, so that if the sequel goes kabumpt, Batman Begins STILL ties in with the subsequent four films

How does it end leading into Burton's Batman? In 89 Batman was an Established crime fighter and pretty confident and

Spoiler:

*DrSpengler* · 06-22-2005, 09:14 PM

Not to mention that simple fact that

Spoiler:

*The Stryker* · 06-22-2005, 09:19 PM

I just hope in the sequel, They Introduce Dent, Even if something crazy happens and he's scarred by the main Villian i don't care.

As long as we don't have another Joker Knock-off Two-face running around. Im good

*Spitfire* · 06-22-2005, 09:40 PM

I read Two Face was going to be the villian in Batman 3 o_O Hey just like he was in the old series

*DrSpengler* · 06-22-2005, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stryker

I just hope in the sequel, They Introduce Dent, Even if something crazy happens and he's scarred by the main Villian i don't care.

As long as we don't have another Joker Knock-off Two-face running around. Im good

Yeah, I think they plan to introduce him as Dent in the second film and have him as the main villain in the third (get a little character developement going).

Spoiler:

And please, no Billy D. Williams this time. Or, at least give him more to do than just stand there drinking Colt 45.

*The Stryker* · 06-22-2005, 10:20 PM

Dent actually being developed into a Likeable character would be great so that the people who don't know his fate will be suprised when he becomes Two-face.

If i was writing the sequel it would end on a Cliffhanger note (Ala TAS) with Dent Discovering the scars. But thats me

**Barkworm** · 06-22-2005, 11:31 PM

BTW, if the fighting and insulting in this thread continues, it'll be locked.

*Anarky* · 06-23-2005, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkworm

BTW, if the fighting and insulting in this thread continues, it'll be locked.

Means: Shut up, for once I want to post on a new movie here. I was so pissed because of the Constantine-thread, don't ruin Bats.

And now I'll go and cry a river.

*Dr. Doom* · 06-23-2005, 05:27 AM

-=Fights with and insults people=-

*Dane E5R* · 06-23-2005, 05:29 AM

I'm gonna have to dip in for a minute here, going back to folks claiming that Jim Carrey was trying to act like the Joker - I've actually read a few times that Jim was trying to immitate Frank Gorshin's version of the Riddler; and when you think about it, you can really see that's where he drew his inspiration from.

EDIT: By the way... Crispin Glover. All the way.

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06-20-2005, 11:58 PM	#104
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have signed to star in a second Batman movie, but love interest Katie Holmes has been dropped. Movie bosses are thrilled with the response to Batman Begins - it took $46.9 million in its first weekend at the US box office - and have snapped up the film's stars for a sequel. Bale as Batman was the first to put pen to paper, followed by Caine as butler Alfred and Freeman as Bruce Wayne's business associate Lucius Fox. But Holmes won't reprise her role as district attorney Rachel Dawes - reportedly because Warner Bros is angry her engagement to Tom Cruise has stolen media attention away from the movie. A source tells Pagesix.Com, "Everyone is in agreement that the movie's strength is with Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman." Adding of Holmes, "She won't be in the sequel... the next romantic interest will be a much stronger actress. Warner is happy that people are now focusing on who'll be playing the Spoiler: Joker rather than Katie and Tom." source-imdb No Katie Holmes, Although IMDB isn't that trustworthy even this bit of news is Encouraging! __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

06-21-2005, 05:04 PM	#105
Mecha Cow Gorgeous and modest too Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,699	Just got back from seeing it. Great movie, very well done, loved it. I'll be getting this on DVD for sure. __________________

06-22-2005, 04:14 PM	#107
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,759	Wooohooo! I think I'm the first person in this thread who didn't like it. Actually I don't really think that it was bad but if there's one thing that ruins a movie for me, it's a rushed plot and bad editing. I missed slower scenes. Even the calm scenes felt too hectic to me. Other things I didn't like: - Ra's Al Ghul (I wish he were more like in the comics) - Some extremely cheesy lines (that line from Gordon after he saw the Batmobile was painful) - James Gordon (Oldman looked great as Gordon but I thought he was kinda wimpy) - Annoying kid ("Boohoo Batman, I want my mommy!!!") - Scarecrow's end (pathetic) To sum up, I don't see what all the hype is about. But maybe I have a fever or something because my brother loved it and we usually agree about every movie. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

06-22-2005, 05:21 PM	#108
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,501	The movie was excellent, and next to Burtons', the greatest interpretation of Batman on screen. Bale IS Batman, his version of the character was far truer than previous versions, Gordon actually acted like Gordon this time, and the acting from everybody was great, but I had a problem with some scenes blatantly ripping off Burtons' first Batman movie, like when Batman takes Rachel to the Batcave after a veichiculer chase, giving her the antidote to the fear gas before sedating her again, not to metion the fact I did'nt give a damn about Rachel, why did'nt they use Silver St. Cloud or Vesper Fairchild? Mary Sues in Batman movies provoke NO reaction from the comic audience, she just came off as typically generic There was also minimum use of The Scarecrow, and his fate was ridiculous, the guys' the first person to kick Batman's ass and he's later owned by Rachels' taser. Yeah. Innovative. Return of the Joker still owns every Batman movie overall __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks Last edited by ZariusTwo; 06-22-2005 at 05:47 PM.

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Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	Whoa, settle down, prick. You're just pissed people have independent thought, we all know you hate anyone who has an opinion that isn't yours. You're a lot like MP, but with a bigger vocabulary. __________________ Stupendous Monster

06-22-2005, 09:14 PM	#112
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Not to mention that simple fact that Spoiler: In Begins, Bruce's parents are killed by Joe Chill and in Batman '89 they're killed by Jack Napier. Have you even watched these movies!?

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The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	I just hope in the sequel, They Introduce Dent, Even if something crazy happens and he's scarred by the main Villian i don't care. As long as we don't have another Joker Knock-off Two-face running around. Im good __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

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The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Dent actually being developed into a Likeable character would be great so that the people who don't know his fate will be suprised when he becomes Two-face. If i was writing the sequel it would end on a Cliffhanger note (Ala TAS) with Dent Discovering the scars. But thats me __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

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Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,759	BTW, if the fighting and insulting in this thread continues, it'll be locked. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

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Dane E5R Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,602	I'm gonna have to dip in for a minute here, going back to folks claiming that Jim Carrey was trying to act like the Joker - I've actually read a few times that Jim was trying to immitate Frank Gorshin's version of the Riddler; and when you think about it, you can really see that's where he drew his inspiration from. EDIT: By the way... Crispin Glover. All the way. __________________ http://www.luckyusshow.com Last edited by Dane E5R; 06-23-2005 at 05:35 AM.