NO-bad review from hollywood reporter

[raphael_is_cool]

Originally Posted by sgtfbomb

Now thats not right..it's only the critics job to watch the movie and review, he doesnt have to research it or it's creators.

To the contrary. A decent critic needs to put every film into its own context. Otherwise all you're getting is some guy's opinion rather than an attempt at an objective review accessible to a general audience.

He seems to completely miss the theme behind the villainy itself. Calling it an afterthought when it clearly isn't. Who even saw Karai set up as a villain beyond Max Winters himself? If you look closely you can see a juxtaposition of Winters and his old generals falling apart as a 'family' while the Turtles come together as one. That's a bit above your usual film aimed at children.

I quite frankly enjoyed the twists and turns as that kept it quite fresh and unrepetitive while the reviewer seemed a little offended by them, claiming kids might be confused. Toy Story 2 was for kids and there was a sudden 'twist' in that.

They also seem to miss the fact that this film is part of a series and future sequels are hinted at. I think the review is poorly researched and a little heavy-handed.

[ToTheNines]

Well said my man

[Rooish]

Originally Posted by raphael_is_cool

If you look closely you can see a juxtaposition of Winters and his old generals falling apart as a 'family' while the Turtles come together as one. That's a bit above your usual film aimed at children.

Wow, that is deep. I can't wait to see this movie.

On a sadder note, on Rottentomatoes.com, TMNT now has a 20% rating. I know what really matters is that we, the fans, enjoy it; it's not nearly as important that a bunch of critics who haven't done their research enjoy it. But critics do exert some influence. And it makes me sad when people don't like the TMNT.

[Fledermaus]

Originally Posted by Rooish

Wow, that is deep. I can't wait to see this movie.

On a sadder note, on Rottentomatoes.com, TMNT now has a 20% rating. I know what really matters is that we, the fans, enjoy it; it's not nearly as important that a bunch of critics who haven't done their research enjoy it. But critics do exert some influence. And it makes me sad when people don't like the TMNT.

It's at 14% now.

Then again, it's rotten tomatoes, so... whatever.

[raphael_is_cool]

Originally Posted by Rooish

Wow, that is deep. I can't wait to see this movie.

I'm not saying it's obvious and paralleled exactly. That would be heavy-handed and cheesy. I'm pretty sure Kevin Munroe intended it to reflect that idea though.

[Ralphmacchio]

Yea, they gave wild hogs the same rating, but on imdb it has like a 60%. These are the same critics that ragged on Boondock Saints and the first films.

[sgtfbomb]

Rotton Tomatoes is a decent site. I visit here and there, but it's one flaw is that it will include anybody who has there own domain, website, and writes reviews on it. You will have people on there who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, and often, it's like "Joe Nobody from MovieBS.com" never even saw the movie he is reviewing. Sure they have the right to review movies too..everyone does, but should these non-professional critics be part of the same rating scale as professional critics?

And, what, like 3 of the 7 reviewers were non-professional critics. In fact, the only professional reviews I saw were from Variety and Hollywood Reporter, from a great deal of reviews I've seen from both of them, they tend to be more negative than positive. I too, have that same problem, being the movie buff that I am. But I often tend to find more hypocrisy from reviewers like those.

They'll like one movie and hate a movie just like it..but a good critic will include enough information that the reader will have an idea whether or not he'll like it.

But then they make more mistakes. Critics should never compare one movie to another. It should be about that movie, and if it wasn't the movie it could have been, then I understand, but comparing TMNT to Doogal is totally unfair!

Truth is.I will support whether or not a critic likes the movie..and if they didnt understand the movie..FINE! But, the problem is, they hardly cover how they thought the movie could have been better, or how they were disappointed. It's about building it with negative or positive conotations that support the negative or positive review they are writing.

So when you start to read that review, from that first paragraph, you will know whether or not they liked that movie...but once you've finished that last paragraph, you still wouldn't have understood why they didn't like that movie!

Honestly, though..this talk about plasticy animation and the film only being about selling those toys (ten bucks says we'll hear the same stuff from the reviews when Transformers comes out!)..Now come on! The animation is amazing! The monster story might be weak, but the Leo/Raph/Family story should be enough to signal that isn't about selling toys!

[Rooish]

Yeah, from what I've seen, this movie isn't meant to sell toys at all, really. It's meant to please the fans.

[sgtfbomb]

They added another review which dropped it down to 13%, this one is from the village voice and is the most repulsive review out of the bunch! "Unlikely to achieve BFF status with the MMORPG set, this CGI feature is light on the LOL factor, heavy on the ADD action scenes, and, like, TOOIFM (Totally Out Of Its Freakin' Mind)."

I clicked to read his review, and thats the only criticism he gives. It's just one paragraph, and most of it is a description of the plot. And that quote, that criticism makes hardly any sense. He's comparing TMNT to Everquest and World of Warcraft

[Rooish]

Originally Posted by sgtfbomb

They added another review which dropped it down to 13%, this one is from the village voice and is the most repulsive review out of the bunch! "Unlikely to achieve BFF status with the MMORPG set, this CGI feature is light on the LOL factor, heavy on the ADD action scenes, and, like, TOOIFM (Totally Out Of Its Freakin' Mind)."

I clicked to read his review, and thats the only criticism he gives. It's just one paragraph, and most of it is a description of the plot. And that quote, that criticism makes hardly any sense. He's comparing TMNT to Everquest and World of Warcraft

Yeah, it really upsets me when people get paid to be ****ing idiots with nothing useful to say.

[BigApple3AM]

Yeah I agree, that review does nothing.

What I find funny is a lot of the "critics" say it's not as good as the live action films, but then you go and check the older films and they too have crappy ratings. Make up your minds, damn it.

Seriously it wasn't THAT bad, when the movie opens in the USA hopefully we'll be able to expect some better reviews. If not that, well lets just hope it makes a lot of money. And if it doesn't? Well lets hope it sells a lot of toys/video games/merchandise.


I still feel that this new tmnt series will only improve with sequels. I'd like to see it get to that point though.

[Ra]

Reviews like this always tick me off. Let me tell ya something - stay away from ANY reviews of ANY sort until you see the movie. THEN read the reviews. You enjoy the movie a lot more and you have your own opinion to compair things to when you go through the review. Trust me, I read a review for "Dead Man's Chest", and it made the movie seem worse than what it really was.

[Youal]

Superhero Hype! gave TMNT a rating of 7/10. Read the full review here:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/reviewsnews.php?id=19478

I find this part interesting:

"I will add that a lot of the footage from "TMNT" that I saw at the San Diego Comic-Con was cut from this version. The scene where the kids at the birthday party beat down Michelangelo was significantly reduced, and the part where the kid kicks him in the crotch was totally eliminated. I hated to see it go because it was an indication that the film was a little funnier and edgier than the theatrical cut. Maybe we'll see it on DVD."

[johnnyblaze]

I found this part funny

At the same time, the mysterious billionaire Max Winters has hired The Hand, now led by Karai, to hunt down 13 monsters that are running loose in the city.

weird to that they gave it a 7 but did'nt really say anything negative about it. infact they said

I can't say I had any real gripes about this film

[sgtfbomb]

Superhero Hype's review was decent. I think they gave it a 7 out of 10 because they thought it could have been a little edgier, which is the consensus I got from the little paragraph about the Comic Con footage.

[Colirio]

Once again, though, it was a review by someone who was already somewhat familiar with the genre.


I'd still like to see some positive reviews from some average movie-goers rather than fans.


Regardless, i'll be watching it this weekend! Woohoo!!

[Starkiller]

Saw the film last Sunday and I feel I have to defend it, so here's my reply to the review. Warning: it might get a bit spoilerish, but I haven't written anything that hasn't either been written on the boards or in the review.

...the characters look like plastic dolls...

Now normally I'm not a big fan of CGI. I don't see the point or good that comes out of creating CGI characters or props for a live action film when you can just as well use or create the real thing. However, TMNT is not a live action film. It never tries to look realistic. It is an animation, reminiscent of PIXAR's The Incredibles, though far superior where attention to detail is concerned - especially during the Latin America scene. I'm rather tired of hearing critics whine that CGI does not look real enough - neither does 2D animation, yet children and adults the world over adore it.

...Other than a few sequences in Latin America, "TMNT" sticks close to home -- meaning the rooftops, sewers and back alleys of nighttime Manhattan...

Well, I would think so. The third movie didn't go down all that well, did it? Naturally the filmakers want to stick closer to home with the premiere of their new TMNT movie. Perhaps it's not what some hardcore fans would like, but it's what the majority of old fans want to see e.g. sewers, ninja turtles leaping over rooftops, big epic fight scenes etc. TMNT is also clever enough to put a lot of focus on the characters - mainly that of the rocky relationship between Raph and Leo.

I don't disagree completely with the review; the film does have it's faults, but the review is a little too nitpicky. Frankly I'm not surprised. TMNT is old but the Turtles are still enjoying success (just look at the new cartoon - I see kids carrying new TMNT lunchboxes all the time), but like all movies/cartoons which have stood the test of time, TMNT will have to accept the bitching nitpicking reviews that come with it. The Hollywood movie industry, indeed the Western media-world in general, do not like old. They want fresh and new, which is why 2D animation has been shunted out the door and indeed the reason why CGI has replaced four dudes in turtle suits. So I think we can all expect more 'TMNT is past it!' reviews in the coming months.

...Ultimately, the movie seems driven more by the need to keep a toy line and franchise alive than any creative inspiration...

If this were the case, the movie would have been louder, faster, more action orientated and less character driven. The movie was made to please fans. Perhaps this is a flaw because you do need at least a little prior knowledge to know who the heck April and Casey are. But they're not integral to the plot, so it doesn't matter too much.

Considering the pressure on the filmakers, what with TMNT's immense fanbase and people like me who look lovingly back on the characters which mark their childhood, the film addressed a great deal and did not shy away from deeper issues. It's action packed and scary enough to fire up the younger audience's imagination and keep the older teens and adults entertained. Best of all, TMNT doesn't constantly throw in painfully witty jokes that most children's films do nowadays just to keep the mums and dads happy, and it's certainly not patronising to kids. I thought they'd have Mikey annoy the smeg out of us, but he had his touching moments (I love that boy ^^)

In conclusion I get the feeling this film is testing the waters and that perhaps future sequels will be more daring. I agree with some points in the review, but overall I find it very cynical. Obviously the bloke didn't grow up in the 80s. Douchebag.

[johnnyblaze]

the entire 'its made to sell toys ' thing seems like such an easy cheap shot to take because of the properties past

[Starkiller]

My thoughts exactly, it was a very cheap shot. The critic has no solid evidence to back this statement up. If it was made to sell toys, this movie would have been out a year after the release of the new cartoon in order to catch the new young audience.

[Rooish]

It's down to 11% at Rottentomatoes.com. Fortunately, this this the most ****ing ignorant and whiny review yet (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20015584,00.html). Unfortunately, every review exerts influence.

People need to grow up and realise that a movie can be good, even if it's not what they expected. I'm off to be depressed now.