DC Comics are starting over. Beggining EVERY Issue at number one this fall.

[Yep It's A Trap]

I truly hope so. I hate Morrison's work on Batman....like all of it. The art in the later books before Flashpoint wasn't that great. The fight sequences just seem lazy to me. You used to get to see every punch and hit. Nowadays, you're lucky to get one frame.

[ZariusTwo]

The DC Panel at Baltimore Comic Con marked the first DC panel following the first year of the New 52. Present were Dan Didio, Scott Snyder, Jeff Lemire, and Greg Capullo. The panel started off with DiDio stating that he skipped Baltimore Comic Con in 2011 because he was afraid of the reaction to the New 52. Other than that, the panel ran like most other DC panels I’ve been to, so I’ll share a few of the juicer bullet points:

Starro will appear in Rot World

When the New 52 began, writers were told to “write as if they were writing fan fiction.”

Though the numbering was reset, DiDio says that DC will recognize when Action and Detective Comics hit their 1,000th issue. (can anyone do the math as to which issue that will be in the new 52 numbering scheme?)

To the whole “Was Tim a Robin?” confusion, DiDio says that Tim called himself “Red Robin” out of respect to Jason. DiDio was unclear whether he began with the Red Robin costume, or adopted that later in his career.

Black Lanterns are not connected to the Rot.

Greg Capullo showed me a sketch on his iPhone of the Joker’s new look. I wasn’t allowed to take a snapshot for myself, so I’ll paint you a word-picture. The best way I can describe Mr. J’s new look is to say that it’s like the Joker made a mask of his own face. The eyeholes don’t quite line up with his eye sockets and the borders of the skin look frayed, almost like the scarecrow’s mask rendered in skin.

When the New 52 began, writers were told to “write as if they were writing fan fiction.”

[Lampy]

i've been reading DC comics in chronological order for the past two years. and have read from superman secret origins all the way to the final night in chronological order. everyone from batman to aquaman, flash to roy harper. and i'm planning to continue reading the major story arcs (not just crossovers) it's tough continuing this reading knowing that at the end of flashpoint... i'm just going to start all over. and i looked through the new 52 books a little bit. the timeline sucks... and is very compressed. far opposite from the previous continuity. i'm not sure how that will work out or how long this new 52 thing will last. some say to just ignore what's canon and the timeline in order to enjoy the books... but honestly... it's hard. do you guys feel the same way?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Lampy

im not sure how that will work out or how long this new 52 thing will last. some say to just ignore what's canon and the timeline in order to enjoy the books... but honestly... it's hard. do you guys feel the same way?

It gets harder when DC begin changing their minds over what is and isnt canon as the wave gets older and more "established". I've had to come up with fanon theories on the fly on a routine basis (the new reality is still in the process of stabalizing) to explain away the inconsistences and contradictions showing up in the books which differ from the original mission statements from last year.

[Lampy]

i guess he hardest part right now is that DC hasn't established a timeline of the new continuity. a timeline that should show which story arcs were canon and which arcs get the boot. my friends always complain by how they don't understand the whole batman debut/number of robins thing. it sounds very complicated... and hopefully by the time i get to Flashpoint... the new chronology is fixed.

[MikeandRaph87]

If they really wanted to simplify Batman they would have went the iconic appraoch and had Batman and Robin(Grayson) a few months to year after Robin joined Batman's crusade then have Batgirl join in sometime later and leave it at that. All these replacement characters adn extra vigilantes make it compicated. Besides I long for the Wayne/Grayson/Gordon stories.

[CyberCubed]

And this is why I don't read non-TMNT comics.

[Lampy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

And this is why I don't read non-TMNT comics.

hahaha... yea. consistency isn't one of DC's strong points. but some story arcs are just too cool to pass up. the one thing i'll say about idw tmnt that i like is that each story arc is no more than 5 issues... as opposed to the 12+ story arcs other companies establish.

[Leo656]

That's honestly a shame, more mainstream books can be a little obtuse to get into at times but (and I know I'm in the wrong place to say things like this) but none of the TMNT comics have ever been among my very favorite series. Love the characters, love the concept, love MOST of the execution, but so far none of the TMNT books has gotten it "quite right" to me, though Archie's came closest to what I wanted. Although I haven't picked up much in about a year so I haven't read the new stuff enough to have an opinion yet.

There's lots and LOTS of great DC/Marvel/etc. stuff that's easy for anyone to get into by picking up trades. Comics is comics, it's all good, the rest is just math. Or something.

[CyberCubed]

I actually wish they would go back and make "classic era" Batman stories with Batman and Dick Grayson as Robin.

It wouldn't be too weird, since in all the cartoons we see Dick Grayson as Robin all the time.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I actually wish they would go back and make "classic era" Batman stories with Batman and Dick Grayson as Robin.

It wouldn't be too weird, since in all the cartoons we see Dick Grayson as Robin all the time.

Exactly! I grew up with Batman in the other media and Dick was Robin every time save that last season of Batman:The Animated Series for some reason. No matter what DC does Dick Grayson is Robin, the heir to the cowl. Jerry Robinson said as much in that if e is NIghtwing its limited things that can be done nad be true to the character. Every since I broke in to comics beyond TMNTA and was disappointed to discover Robin was not Robin and Batgirl was not Batgirl I have wanted to see an ongoing with thme in thier iconic guises. Alas,all I got was All-star screwjob. As bad as the new 52 is atleast Batgirl is back not some replacement under the cowl! Its odd for DC's reasoning for giving the cowl back to Barbara and not using the same logic for Dick Grayson as Robin. I'd like more than anything for Robin to be an ongoing of some knid not a replacement Robin. If we can have Batgirl maybe someday in some form of comic Robin as well. He is Robin in the Other Media for the most part for good reasons!

[ZariusTwo]

Cass and Stephanie were far more interesting than Babs ever was as Batgirl.

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

No matter what DC does Dick Grayson is Robin, the heir to the cowl.

And in the more rational minds of fans who can accept change (which YOU can't), Dick is Nightwing, he's been Nightwing for close to forty years now, and in a short span of time, he'll have been Nightwing FAR LONGER than he's ever been Robin. I don't understand how keeping him as a f*cking adolescent all the time helps him out, or him being an adult superhero stepping out of Batman's shadow "limits him". Jerry's an idiot if he thinks that. People age and grow older, and people establish their own identitys. This is a basic principle of life you half-wit.

Dick being Nightwing doesnt just apply to the comics either, as you say, he was Nightwing in Batman: TAS's final years (and that "some reason" was to synch up with the comics which had Tim, the best Robin EVER, in the role), and he's Nightwing in the second season of the Young Justice cartoon presently, so that blows your and Cubed's stupid "Dick be Robin forever and everz" beleif out of the water.

Hopefully your type never get to run comics, it's bad enough we already have the current crop of clowns making sure fresh characters get screwed over, we don't need to scale back any further thankyou very much. And I've yet to see any story currently with Babs as Batgirl that stands out of the pack, same with Barry as Flash. They are so f*cking boring. Bring back Steph and Wally.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Cass and Stephanie were far more interesting than Babs ever was as Batgirl.



And in the more rational minds of fans who can accept change (which YOU can't), Dick is Nightwing, he's been Nightwing for close to forty years now, and in a short span of time, he'll have been Nightwing FAR LONGER than he's ever been Robin. I don't understand how keeping him as a f*cking adolescent all the time helps him out, aor him him being an adult superhero stepping out of Batman's shadow "limits him". Jerry's an idiot if he thinks that. People age and grow older, and people establish their own identitys. This is a basic principle of life you half-wit.

Dick being Nightwing doesnt just apply to the comics either, as you say, he was Nightwing in Batman: TAS's final years (and that "some reason" was to synch up with the comics which had Tim, the best Robin EVER, in the role), and he's Nightwing in the second season of the Young Justice cartoon presently, so that blows your and Cubed's stupid "Dick be Robin forever and everz" beleif out of the water.

Hopefully your type never get to run comics, it's bad enough we already have the current crop of clowns making sure fresh characters get screwed over, we don't need to scale back any further thankyou very much. And I've yet to see any story currently with Babs as Batgirl that stands out of the pack, same with Barry as Flash. They are so f*cking boring. Bring back Steph and Wally.

One thing,its a strongly believed and backed opinion I have held since looking at comics full-time.Emphasis on the opinion just as yours is an opinion.I enjoy Batman when its just Bruce,Dick,and Barbara.The New Look to Jason's 1st appearance is my favorite timeframe of any comic because its what was and still is for the most part what carries Batman in the Other Media. Its what I like not neccessarily others like yourself that actually perfer Tim. Barry in my opinion is bland and boring but its an opinion just like my belief of Dick being the definitive Robin that unless he is Batman has limited things that can be done to him and I love Barbara prowling the rooftops at his and Batnan's side.Its all about what one likes best and the three of them alone is how I like it. They are my faves after Michelangelo as portrayed by Coleman and Raphael as portrayed by Paulsen.you have your favorites and portrayal preferences and I have mine. Different opinions and personailities is what makes the world go round.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm still looking forward to the day MY generation, the ones that understand things need to change and that the next generation needs to be established instead of these decrepid Silver Age farts, take over comics. It's going to happen, and you better run to the f*cking hills when that happens Mr Change-fearer. The type that would have Dick AND Bruce function as Batman, Babs back in the wheelchair where she reallisticly belongs, Cass and Steph pulling double duty as Batgirl (and, btw moron, Babs was a replacement Batgirl herself ). Wally and Kyle as the primary Flash and GLs. Oh it will be glorious, hell the next generation could have even wilder ideas for the next phase and I would welcome whatever they'd bring to the table if it made sense and if it evolved the brand/mantle. I accept change, you? You can't, you want the status quoe maintained always, and that's detremental to comics and it's neccersary evolution.

[MikeandRaph87]

I like change that is neccessary not change that is not. Dick's 25 years of Nightwing are not nearly as great as his 45 as Robin. I have strong reasons why I like him as that heroic idenity just as I do for Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. I do perfer Hal as GL,but I like Wally over Barry. I admit I love the Silver Age and Bronze age. It appeals to me the most. It obiviously does not you and this fine. I just ask you to respect my opinion just as I respect yours. I don't think it will go the way you say nor competley the way I like either,but I am happy to get as much of Robin and Batgirl as possible just a you like your replacements as much as possible and I understand that.

What is Legends of The Dark Knight vol.2 going to focus on? Much like it did before or could we get the classic team and villain some as well?

[Lampy]

Dick is THE most developed character in DC. to revert him back to Robin is just a step back and prevents the character to develop and be his own man. if you want a wayne/grayson team... that's what Earth2 stories are for. Dick stays as robin well beyond his adolescence with barbara staying as batgirl. without dick stepping down... great characters such as Tim Drake and Jason Todd would not exist. It's necessary for him to step down. while i agree that he is the one true heir to the cowl... and should become batman... there must be a transition. thus, nightwing.

[shuriken]

In terms of Green Lantern Kyle was always my favorite. I never liked Hal or Guy Gardner (even his name is lame). Stewart is alright.
And Dick as Robin as opposed to Nightwing eh. I stopped following Batman after he was thrown into the past by Darksied.

[Lampy]

that's why i read everything i missed before Flashpoint arc. hahah. i'm dreading the day i get to that point judging by what everyone keeps telling me about that particular batman storyline.

my favorite GL is Guy regardless of what everyone keeps saying about him. so much tragedy in that guy... hahah. but still the arrogant ass that you just love to hate. there was a scene i remember in Final Night... that made me start to like Gardner's character. when he's drinking and Parallax shows up and they have a bro talk. awesome Guy/Hal scene.

[Fugitoid Jones]

I've really been digging most of the main Batman books (Batman, Detective, & Robin, Gotham Knight), especially Batman. I'll be honest, leading up to the new 52, nearly all the Batman books had really been disappointing me (especially the ones written by Grant Morrison, who I really don't care for). So the reboot has really been a breath of fresh air, at least in my opinion.


However, I'm not reading any of the extended Bat-family books, because I didn't like the idea of making Barbara Batgirl again (she was far more interesting as Oracle), and the new continuity with all the Robins is very confusing in this new 52 universe.

[Leo656]

I'm gonna throw my name in the "Guy Gardner Is Awesome" hat. I like Hal, and Kyle, but I never liked them as much as Guy, and I never liked Hal at all until Rebirth. Guy Gardner Reborn and Guy Gardner Year One: Yesterday's Sins are awesome beyond belief, even if a thousand retcons since have rendered Guy's claiming of Sinestro's ring entirely nonsensical in context with newer stories. He was always the "tragic" hero I feel most people could relate to, someone who means well in their own way and always tries to do the right thing but often over-reaches and is constantly misunderstood by his peers.

Like, I absolutely love Batman, but every time he and Guy had a tiff, I was on Guy's side, 100%. "Who put YOU in charge, ya smarmy prick? Or did you not notice Guy wields The Most Powerful Weapon In The Entire Universe"?