Terminator Reboot

[XERO]

I enjoyed it. Arnold's ever gonna be as big as he was in his prime, but it was still cool to see him back in the role. Got a few chuckles out of me with some of his lines.

[TigerClaw]

I finally saw Genisys today, I loved it, It's right up there with T2.

So far, The movies are T1, T2, Genisys, T3, and Salvation.

I liked that this movie borrowed from T1 and T2 and change things around.

This is the 1st of a new trilogy, So the sequels will answer some of the questions in this one.

Such as

Spoiler:

Who sent the T-800 to 1973 to protect Sarah Connor
Matt Smith being Skynet from an alternate universe.

Btw, the movie theater I go to, Were giving away these posters.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

This is the 1st of a new trilogy,

So was "Salvation". We'll see.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Leo656

So was "Salvation". We'll see.

It better be, Cause Genisys did setup things for the next one, During a post credit scene.

Spoiler:

Inside the ruins of Cyberdyne Systems, You see a glowing red sphere, And then a hologram of Matt Smith as Skynet looking at it.

[Leo656]

When the plot of every movie is "The last one didn't count", is it even fair to call it a Trilogy? Or even a sequel, for that matter?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I thought it was badass... Jai Courtney and Emilia Clarke really impressed me.

[Vicky82]

I just came back from seeing it. I didn't know there was a post credit scene but I couldn't stay anyway because I had to catch the bus.

I did enjoy it but I thought the storyline wasn't all that. It wasn't as good as T1 and T2 but it was better than T3, I've never seen Salvation.

[MikeandRaph87]

I saw it last night. Its the first Terminator film I ever saw to be honest. I know parts of the back story, but not all of it. How does this connect to the Salvation film with Christian Bale? Does it take place afterward? Interesting twist forcing the "chosen one" to become what he was destined to destroy. It guess it makes up for the obviousness of who John's father was right from the beginning. 50 years apart in age, creepy but time hops make any romance game I guess.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I saw it last night. Its the first Terminator film I ever saw to be honest. I know parts of the back story, but not all of it. How does this connect to the Salvation film with Christian Bale? Does it take place afterward? Interesting twist forcing the "chosen one" to become what he was destined to destroy. It guess it makes up for the obviousness of who John's father was right from the beginning. 50 years apart in age, creepy but time hops make any romance game I guess.

Genisys ignores T3 and Salvation completely.

[MikeandRaph87]

The only thing that sticks out about Salvation was Christian Bale's onset temper tantrum. I was thinking it was chronological and this was the fifth so happened fifth with all the time travel it gets confusing. I guess this is like Superman Returns taking cues from Superman and Superman II while ignoring the 3rd and 4th films.

Trying to explain the whole mess to me will likely make my head explode.

[member_removed]

Don't they mention in the first film that time travel only works by going back in time and that you can't travel forward?

I enjoyed the parts of the film that were set in 2029 and 1984.

What I really disliked about this film was the trailer giving away a major spoiler. I had hoped that the reveal in the film would come sooner.

It would also seem that movies that place in 2015-2017 must contain product placements for Nike and Pepsi

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by member_removed

Don't they mention in the first film that time travel only works by going back in time and that you can't travel forward?

I enjoyed the parts of the film that were set in 2029 and 1984.

What I really disliked about this film was the trailer giving away a major spoiler. I had hoped that the reveal in the film would come sooner.

It would also seem that movies that place in 2015-2017 must contain product placements for Nike and Pepsi

The whole idea of going forward in time happened with the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Genisys ignores T3 and Salvation completely.

I think it ignores T2, as well. Hear me out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Spoiler:

Genysis opens with Reese narrating. He says that Judgment Day was in 1997, which is the original year Judgment Day, from the first film. But in T2, they blew up Cyberdyne in 1995. Even without T3 to tell us that the new JD is in 2003, we have to assume destroying Cyberdyne set it back some, don't we?

We also know that the T-800 from T2 was sent back by John Connor, and he probably wouldn't have done that if he'd already been turned into a machine by SkyNet.

The questions are:
Did this physical embodiment of Skynet attack John Connor in the time displacement machine room because the events because the filmmakers are ignoring T2, or did SkyNet already use time travel to place Skynet in that room?

From what time(s) and from what timeline(s) was the force that killed Sarah's parents and/or "Pops" sent back? How is Reese from the timeline of the original 1984, but doesn't get sent back to the original 1984? I know, the timeline was altered, but when?

The time travel elements that make this all happen may be from a timeline that includes all the previous films, but we don't know yet...

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I think it ignores T2, as well. Hear me out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Spoiler:

Genysis opens with Reese narrating. He says that Judgment Day was in 1997, which is the original year Judgment Day, from the first film. But in T2, they blew up Cyberdyne in 1995. Even without T3 to tell us that the new JD is in 2003, we have to assume destroying Cyberdyne set it back some, don't we?

We also know that the T-800 from T2 was sent back by John Connor, and he probably wouldn't have done that if he'd already been turned into a machine by SkyNet.

The questions are:
Did this physical embodiment of Skynet attack John Connor in the time displacement machine room because the events because the filmmakers are ignoring T2, or did SkyNet already use time travel to place Skynet in that room?

From what time(s) and from what timeline(s) was the force that killed Sarah's parents and/or "Pops" sent back? How is Reese from the timeline of the original 1984, but doesn't get sent back to the original 1984? I know, the timeline was altered, but when?

The time travel elements that make this all happen may be from a timeline that includes all the previous films, but we don't know yet...

There's an interview with the writers about this movie, And they talked about

Spoiler:

Matt Smith's character being Skynet from an alternate universe, And not from this timeline.

This Skynet has the ability to time travel, But to different dimensions as well.
http://www.slashfilm.com/terminator-genisys-matt-smith/

You see in the beginning. He grabs John. He’s not from this timeline. He’s from an alternate universe, in the multiverse, another of the many universes that exist. That Skynet is not from that timeline. […] This Skynet has been to this universe, and this universe, and this universe. That’s why he says, “I came a very long way to stop you.” He’s not from here. So he’s watched it. He’s watched it happen a bunch of different times, and each time he’s seen it there is a different result but the same result.

It is the understanding that for Skynet, finally realizing that “I cannot just wipe out the humans, I can never defeat the humans unless I have the best weapon that humans have, and that is him.”

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

There's an interview with the writers about this movie, And they talked about

Spoiler:

Matt Smith's character being Skynet from an alternate universe, And not from this timeline.

This Skynet has the ability to time travel, But to different dimensions as well.
http://www.slashfilm.com/terminator-genisys-matt-smith/

That makes a lot of sense, but I wonder why the screenwriters would just drop a bomb like that in an interview.

Spoiler:

They only briefly alluded to alternate universes in Genysis. Clearly, we weren't supposed to know this until a sequel.

[CyberCubed]

Wait, this movie is actually good? It has a 27% rotten on rottentomatoes:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_genisys/

The movie is being torn apart by critics. I guess this is one of those films where people will love but critics will hate.

[member_removed]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I think it ignores T2, as well. Hear me out. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Spoiler:

Genysis opens with Reese narrating. He says that Judgment Day was in 1997, which is the original year Judgment Day, from the first film. But in T2, they blew up Cyberdyne in 1995. Even without T3 to tell us that the new JD is in 2003, we have to assume destroying Cyberdyne set it back some, don't we?

We also know that the T-800 from T2 was sent back by John Connor, and he probably wouldn't have done that if he'd already been turned into a machine by SkyNet.

The questions are:
Did this physical embodiment of Skynet attack John Connor in the time displacement machine room because the events because the filmmakers are ignoring T2, or did SkyNet already use time travel to place Skynet in that room?

From what time(s) and from what timeline(s) was the force that killed Sarah's parents and/or "Pops" sent back? How is Reese from the timeline of the original 1984, but doesn't get sent back to the original 1984? I know, the timeline was altered, but when?

The time travel elements that make this all happen may be from a timeline that includes all the previous films, but we don't know yet...

During the film, I had a theory that Arnold/Pops was playing the same T-800 from T2, just in an alternate time line.

I've given up on trying to create a (head)canon for the Terminator franchise. Just gotta enjoy each film on it's own merits.

[Leo656]

See, for me the canon being all shot to hell kind of ruins it. All the alternate timelines and parallel dimensions are a cop-out. The story is what made the whole premise "different"... now it's just one more "Robots shoot at each other and bust each other through walls, plus car chases" movie when we're over-saturated with them. It just happens to be called "Terminator". It always had those elements, sure, but the story itself was the hook, because it was a good story that stayed within its own "Rules" and was entertaining on its own even without all the flashy effects. Having a built-in excuse to explain any contradictions in the story is just a way to have Maximum Explosions with minimal reasoning. I mean, part of the fun of each new Terminator flick used to be, "How are they gonna expand the story without just plain breaking it?" Now it's like, "Eh, screw it. Just do whatever." I totally get it, it just seems kind of lazy, to me.

I'unno.

[DarkFell]

I feel that the production of the Terminator movies should have just stopped after Judgement Day. I mean, the protagonists blew up Cyberdine Systems just so that SkyNet couldn't be existent in the future, am I right? Since T2, the other movies made the destruction of Cyberdine a bit pointless now since SkyNet continues to find ways to threaten John Conner yet again.

Whatever.

This should have been the focus of Genisys instead. Credit goes to Nebezial for the image.

Spoiler:

http://img.memecdn.com/arnold-finall..._o_4790287.jpg

[chrisdude]

Well, the first movie existed in a closed loop in time. Kyle and Sarah fought to preserve the future, but the big twist of the film was that everything went according to history. All that time travel was a part of the original history. It was a purposeful paradox. They broke the rules with T2, when they decided there there was "no fate but what you make," and allowed the characters to change the future. That's the cop-out where they broke the rules of their story, so they could tack on a sequel and make more money. And it's everybody's favorite.