Has the "it's for kids' mentality been holding TMNT back?

[victory_angel]

Right kinda like Donnie knocking the Shredder off the roof to prevent him from killing them all with that granade.

And yet in that milita story line happens, after the milita leader blows himself up thinking he was setting off his nuke. Donnie doesn't feel any sense of victory because even though the man who died was a flawed individual, all that person wanted was to insite change.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by LeoRaph

Disney would be the worst possible thing to happen to TMNT, they would kiddify it up even more than it is now. Think about it, you're Disney you know a kids company...what would you choose as your primary version, cute or serious? The kids version would reign supreme and even if they did a mature version it would be heavily censored barely even reaching the standards of 2K3. Sure they did Gargoyles, and I loved what I saw when it was on but it was still a kids show and to be honest it was still underneath the level of 2K3.

We want a kids show AND a mature version. I don't believe Disney could do a mature version better than WB. WB do great versions of both and they DON'T hold back on the reality. These are ninjas with weapons which actually create a bloody mess, these are mutants forced to live out of normal society with no one else of their kind, freaks who know that is what people see, they are not heroes by choice they do what the have to do when they have to do it, they have no future that IS their reality. There is a lot of pain to their existence and many grey areas to explore. You think Disney has the balls to tell that story? I sure as hell don't.

WB would at least put as much effort into a more mature version as their kids version and give the characters the freedom they need. What's more they would be unique to the WB world and not drowned by the countless marvel/disney/starwars characters.

This guy gets it.
Just look at Disney's Marvel cartoons.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Then how do you explain their Star Wars cartoons? Those are much more successful AND (from what I've seen) mature than the Marvel ones- which are being aimed at a much younger audience, anyway. Marvel Heroes is basically a "chibi" version, so I wouldn't even count that one. Clone Wars, on the other hand, has been very well-received, and is for an older audience, and has added a lot of lore to the SW mythos. And they are about to go one better with a new SW movie, too!

It has nothing to do with whether they are CAPABLE of presenting a more "mature" TMNT- it's been proven that they COULD- but if they WOULD. I think that if it was done faithfully (as Disney tends to do in most of its acquired properties) then we could certainly end up with a TMNT that was the best of BOTH worlds, fun for kids, AND still mature enough to satisfy fans of the darker versions. Gargoyles, Star Wars, The Crying Game (yes that WAS a Disney-made movie)- heck look at the PotC movies, those were based on a KIDS' THEME PARK RIDE! But the movies were anything but "kiddie" fair.

[IndigoErth]

IF Disney would remain true to it, the only thing that worries me is they, I feel, might keep an even tighter death grip hold on ownership than what Nick I fear would should they decide to shelve it after a while.

Really, we need special copyright laws for longtime beloved franchises that dictate that if there has been no attention given to a property after a certain amount of time it goes up for bid. lol (Current owner benefits of course from the sale. They simply risk having it sold out from under them if they decided to completely ignore it for too long.)

[pannoni1]

Even comics themselves aren't immune from this mentality, where certain franchises recycle the plots after a certain period of time along with recurring stories for those who don't notice. TV Tropes' Fleeting Demographic rule explains how

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph....SevenYearRule

That said, each brand of TMNT has a slightly dedicated demographic. The children have currently the Nick toon, whereas originally it was the Fred Wolf Show and briefly the Next Mutation to attract the maturing FW audience, and of course most of the Playmates merchandise. Slightly older children had the Archie comics and the current Nick comics. The adolescents have the original comics, the first movie, the 4kids series, and currently IDW. Grown-ups have mostly parental values towards the jokes of the cartoons and most of the comics and focus more on the satircal/parodical aspect via the fanfiction and references along with certain limited releases such as the NECA and Revoltech. Video Games and movies however appeal to a wide range of people. Such a balance of product for different demographics helps to support a stable, profitable franchise that TMNT currently does well for the most part. The biggest problem is having the execution pay off where the target fans enjoy it and is most critical to stability. Too much repetition, stuff that doesn't make sense, and nonsense holds it back. That said, what matters the most IMO is at the top of the executive chain. They provide projects to go forward, and if too corrupt can cause failure.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

IF Disney would remain true to it, the only thing that worries me is they, I feel, might keep an even tighter death grip hold on ownership than what Nick I fear would should they decide to shelve it after a while.

Really, we need special copyright laws for longtime beloved franchises that dictate that if there has been no attention given to a property after a certain amount of time it goes up for bid. lol (Current owner benefits of course from the sale. They simply risk having it sold out from under them if they decided to completely ignore it for too long.)

They probably would keep a tighter rein on ownership, but that might not be a bad thing, either. They have a history of recycling, rereleasing, and/or rebooting many their older properties every ten years or so, regardless of its current popularity. Their "vault" isn't simply a place for properties to rot or be ignored, unlike Nick's. Seriously, how many of Nick's older shows are still remembered or have been rereleased from twenty years ago? Yet Disney does it all the time, even with some of their movies and shows from fifty years ago! And a lot of those get new versions, like the aforementioned Incredible Journey, or the Herbie movies. I'm just waiting for the day someone over at the Mouse House decides to reboot The Cat From Outer Space- it would be hilariously fresh if redone now.... (Also, I recently watched a "leaked" scene from next year's Deadpool movie, and it's FAR from kiddie fare. This gives me further faith that a Disney TMNT would be- amazing....)