Does Nickelodeon hate us?

[Andrew NDB]

This is literally the latest two TMNT offerings from Nickelodeon:





Talk about a left AND a right hook.

[Candy Kappa]

It's not been confirmed yet that that is the official look on Rises.

[CyberCubed]

No, but Michael Bay is a moron.

Thankfully the movie series is done so it doesn't matter much anymore.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

It's not been confirmed yet that that is the official look on Rises.

basically what I was going to say. People need to chill out and wait for official confirmation about the design.

[snake]

Yeah, probably.

[Andrew NDB]

Imagine if this does end up being FAKE... but then the real designs end up actually being significantly worse?

[plastroncafe]

They'd have to care about you in order to hate, you and they don't.
Welcome to Aging out of the Target Demographic.

(ftr: I think that design is adorable)

[Utrommaniac]

I hate them back.

Why is your only nice TMNT thing from IDW? Or with IDW since they get more credit?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Utrommaniac

Why is your only nice TMNT thing from IDW?

Because Nick has zero to do with that beyond approvals and telling them, "No, no, that's too violent, dial it back."

[Shark_Blade]

We actually got the most perfect modern April O' Neil in the silver screen tbh. Heck, she even beaten the Shredder.



That Rise design tho... I'd reject that faster than Teen Titans Go if that is the final design.

[IndigoErth]

I hope they don't hate us. I mean, many of us aren't just first gen TMNT fans, but we're also first gen Nick kids. Sure, it's gotta remain a kid's network, but come on... don't ruin a 33 year old franchise we had first, and don't ruin today's kids from getting to see how great it should still be and why TMNT is awesome. Don't take away the substance.

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

We actually got the most perfect modern April O' Neil in the silver screen tbh. Heck, she even beaten the Shredder.

April? Where? It's more like April playing Megan Fox rather than the reverse it should be. These Turtles don't even know April... They randomly befriended Megan Fox and Stephen Amell.

Wish we could have just sent her to your house instead of the movie set, then it would be a win-win. You get her and the films wouldn't.

[Splinter the boss]

Judging by the design of Rise Of The Turtles, yes.

[Vegita-San]

I think Nick doesn't really care what we think.

They have an audience of kids to please, that are only used to badly animated flash crap, badly stylized flash crap, or a few handful of CG comedy shows.


I worried that when the sale happened, this is EXACTLY what we would get. I guess we should be thankful it held off for one series at least, even if it hit the movies immediately.

And IDW is thankfully independent of nick. a Reboot from the ground up like that is really what the comic needed at this point.


but as far as TMNT movies and TV shows go, I think the days of appealing to older fans are long gone. might be best to just stick with the comics.

like I said in the other thread, RIP TMNT. but at least we all for the most part seem to agree this looks horrible for a change

[GoldMutant]

It could be worse, you could be getting no content at all like most Viacom properties that may want the opportunities of TMNT nowadays.

As others have said earlier, the Rise info is not "officially" confirmed yet, even if the artwork looks like it is. For the sake of argument, we're comparing one piece of artwork with info not fully elaborated on. It may turn out well, but it also may be weak.

Should the series bomb, however, we're looking at another few year break as we did following The Next Mutation. It'll be revived as a result, maybe with a different direction, or the same material.

As for the films... just let them die honestly. All the threads made won't change the fact that that series is done due to a box office disappointment. There are minimal things that could be reused in future incarnations (and that's being generous), but it's likely going to be forgotten. Even then, 2016 wasn't one of the best theater years as a movie goer myself.

What I'm saying is this though: many franchises under Nickelodeon deserve better. Fairly Odd Parents after being revived, Danny Phantom after its third season. Series such as Harvey Beaks that were squandered by the network. There are probably more examples, but those are notable ones, especially the first two that I grew up on.

Either way, if this is the direction going forward, I'm not following. I'm personally moving onto college by the time Rise officially airs; by then though, I'd rather invest time into other TMNT incarnations. The new will draw in audiences to keep the franchise alive as Nick and IDW have done (I don't know how much PD did in that regard), but eventually, something will have to give. That's the sense I'm getting with this.

Wow, I rambled on for a bit. These are my general thoughts based on this "leaked" news.

[joshvox]

They are indifferent to us. As several have said, they will make their money off of us anyway with toys and collectibles mostly. They need to get the kids on board to keep the "brand" rolling. I don't know if this is the final design, but it's definitely going to be something like this in my opinion.

[ProactiveMan]

Nickelodeon loves what Viacom contractually obliges them to love.

Spoiler:

Money! They probably also love synergy too, but mostly cash!

We'll all die or become financially responsible one of these days, so we're not long term prospects, and from a merch perspective, tweens have already been lost to the demon video games. I think if they want to sell toys these days, they have to aim low.

Having said that, I'll give the new show a shot, asuming that they don't make it too hard for me to access.

[Ninjinister]

I find it so disconcerting that people spend so much time being angry at things that aren't meant for them.

If you aren't the target audience, it doesn't matter. You aren't the target audience for most of this franchise's existence. You may never be again.

I mean if it turns out to be something I don't like... I might keep up with it just enough to make sure people don't fake news the S**t out of the Wiki but if it weren't for that I would just ignore it. There have been several incarnations of things I once enjoyed that weren't to my liking that I just straight up never thought about.

[CyberCubed]

While I agree, I can see why TMNT is a different case compared to other franchises. For one thing TMNT hasn't really been around all that long. It's not like it has 70+ years of history like Superman/Batman or 50+ years like Spiderman and X-men with dozens of comics, cartoons, movies, etc.

For a long time the TMNT franchise was very small. It really only consists of 3 cartoons, 3 main comic series (Mirage, Archie and IDW), and some movies. Of course there's all the extra stuff like toys/videogames/other comic spinoffs, etc....but if you mean the big stuff it's pretty small.

When you realize there's like 100+ different incarnations of Batman out there, both for adults and for little kids, nobody cares. But TMNT doesn't have that many incarnations so it's weird to see the franchise go in a direction people aren't used to.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

I find it so disconcerting that people spend so much time being angry at things that aren't meant for them.

If you aren't the target audience, it doesn't matter. You aren't the target audience for most of this franchise's existence. You may never be again.

I mean if it turns out to be something I don't like... I might keep up with it just enough to make sure people don't fake news the S**t out of the Wiki but if it weren't for that I would just ignore it. There have been several incarnations of things I once enjoyed that weren't to my liking that I just straight up never thought about.

True, but well... here's the thing. You can be upset about a current incarnation of a thing that is selling itself short, populating said low-balled idea of a thing whose potential you wholly realize, even if you're not remotely the targeted audience.

Because guess what happens next? You get a generation of people growing up thinking that's the real deal. It's not.

It's a little like... World War I veterans, if they had the clairvoyance to know WWII was coming, because we were there and knew what to do and what not to do, what worked and didn't work, even if the technology is a little different.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

True, but well... here's the thing. You can be upset about a current incarnation of a thing that is selling itself short, populating said low-balled idea of a thing whose potential you wholly realize, even if you're not remotely the targeted audience.

Because guess what happens next? You get a generation of people growing up thinking that's the real deal. It's not.

It's a little like... World War I veterans, if they had the clairvoyance to know WWII was coming, because we were there and knew what to do and what not to do, what worked and didn't work, even if the technology is a little different.

A well-made point, it just the only problem is... it's already too late for that.

Three generations have already been ingrained with other media adaptations that veer away from the source material- the 80/90's kids with fred wolf, the 2000's kids with the 4 kids series, and the most recent batch with Nick's TMNT series. Even if you peeled away the lighthearted Fred Wolf legacy, and darkened the material, a version that went as pure mirage as possible would probably only be seen as just another media incarnation by the casual fandom, possibly referred to as the 'dark turtles' or 'gritty TMNT'.

The genie is never going back into the bottle. New versions are going to keep coming, and as time passes, they are probably going to get even weirder than what we've seen so far. The only core elements that will probably be safe is the four mutant TMNT, raised by splinter, growing up in a city's sewer, and make friends with April and Casey- everything else will probably change, and change again. Sadly, pure TMNT only matters to a few individuals. Is that a really sad fact? Well, as the source material tells us, 'life, at best, is bittersweet'.