Rittenhouse/ self defense

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-16-2021, 03:28 PM

Odd to not see this thread already going on over here...

So, Rittenhouse... self defense or killer?

Why?

Not arguing he should not have been there or not and it was lawful for him to be armed... I know where I stand & why.

What say you dromers? Lol

*Andrew NDB* · 11-16-2021, 05:01 PM

Someone pointing a gun at you loses the guarantee of their still being alive. Similarly someone beating you with a skateboard, particularly someone who sees you with a gun.

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Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Not arguing he should not have been there or not

Why not? Let's ask the others there why they were there that night. We already know the answer for Rittenhouse.

*oldmanwinters* · 11-16-2021, 05:28 PM

I really don't care about the verdict one way or another. My gut feeling is that legally Rittenhouse was in the right. But it seems like everybody has to be on one "team" or the other on this issue.

A lot of last year's problems could have been avoided if everybody stayed home.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-16-2021, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I really don't care about the verdict one way or another. My gut feeling is that legally Rittenhouse was in the right. But it seems like everybody has to be on one "team" or the other on this issue.

A lot of last year's problems could have been avoided if everybody stayed home.

You should care. Its not just his right to defend his own life on trial... its anyones'.

joe-eyeball · 11-16-2021, 06:34 PM

If the jury follows the laws of the state then they MUST acquit him. There is no legal case to be made otherwise. The only possible reason I can think of that could result in finding him guilty is the jurors would be worried about public backlash for finding him not guilty.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-16-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

If the jury follows the laws of the state then they MUST acquit him. There is no legal case to be made otherwise. The only possible reason I can think of that could result in finding him guilty is the jurors would be worried about public backlash for finding him not guilty.

And that is currently happening.... at least two jurors have somehow made it known they are concerned about being attacked for voting not guilty... the judge should just throw out the case with prejudice, not guilty on all counts.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-16-2021, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Someone pointing a gun at you loses the guarantee of their still being alive. Similarly someone beating you with a skateboard, particularly someone who sees you with a gun.

Why not? Let's ask the others there why they were there that night. We already know the answer for Rittenhouse.

Only because its irrelevant why he was there... or that he shouldn't have been there or not. As in, he was there, now discuss his right (and ours) to self defense... to not be chased down by a homicidal lunatic that turned out to be a child raping pedophile or two relative abusing convicted felons (& the 4th guy that jump kicked Kyle, turned out to also be a career criminal...)...

Lets say that shooting rosenbaum was even remotely in question (its not, cuz evidence shows his hand was on Kyle's gun & trying to take someone's firearm is always justification for self defense...), this still leaves the fact that Kyle's next instinct was to disengage and run away from the angry mob towards police and therefore he cannot be seen as instigating anything else BUT self defense against his next three attackers.

Carrying a firearm is not "premeditated" anything as they prosecutor tried to claim... I carry daily. Sometimes more than one firearm. For my safety cuz I'm not going to outrun anyone trying to attack me...

Mostly I was curious to see who hates themselves so bad they'd defend four criminals that attacked a minor... who was armed. Lol

Bahamut810 · 11-17-2021, 11:47 AM

Rosenbaum (the first death of two) was the one screaming that...and threatening people and in general “fronting” and a king aggressive through the night.

The second death I think had a felony...but he had a skateboard and bashed Rittenhouse on the head and tried to take the rifle when he was shot (I think he had a hole in his hand in a direction proving that if people didn’t trust video).

Bicept guy was a domestic abuser with a felony who was concealed carrying and had his pistol aimed at Rittenhouses head when he was shot.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-17-2021, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bahamut810

Rosenbaum (the first death of two) was the one screaming that...and threatening people and in general “fronting” and a king aggressive through the night.

The second death I think had a felony...but he had a skateboard and bashed Rittenhouse on the head and tried to take the rifle when he was shot (I think he had a hole in his hand in a direction proving that if people didn’t trust video).

Bicept guy was a domestic abuser with a felony who was concealed carrying and had his pistol aimed at Rittenhouses head when he was shot.

Rosenbaum was shot through the hand, because he was grabbing at the rifle too. His conviction 5x over of peddling small children should matter, even if Kyle couldn't know at the time, he was saying "shoot me, n****" and "fvck you" over and over... and Kyle stated Rosenbaum said he would kill Kyle at least twice before chasing him down.

All four people who attacked Kyle were/are convicted felons. Gaige, arm spaghetti, even stated under oath, that Kyle only shot him after Gaige pointed his (illegal) firearm at Kyle. Felons are prohibited people and cannot carry. Also, I believe it was Gaige who fired the first shot prior to Kyle needing to shoot Rosenbaum.

I'm guessing the folks who think Kyle murdered these criminals are just avoiding this thread. I'm curious to know how anyone can think this is anything but self defense...

*Andrew NDB* · 11-17-2021, 02:12 PM

And apparently it was ruled perfectly legal and OK for him to carry a rifle such as the one he had, where he did and when he did. So the whole "but he wasn't supposed to carry a gun there and especially ACROSS STATE LINES!!!" is completely null and void.

It's a very strange hill to die on for libtards and I think they're increasingly realizing this. On the one hand they feel strongly about it because they're terrified of guns and want to get them outta here so we can get one big step closer to socialist utopia... but on the other, this incident really doesn't fit any of the race-based narratives they've established for shootings, despite how hard they really, really try to make it fit. The general hope is probably that most people will just see an article with Kyle Rittenhouse's picture and a headline and go, "Ugh... damn white supremacist Trumpers!" and not bother to click or read any further. At this point.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 11-17-2021, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And apparently it was ruled perfectly legal and OK for him to carry a rifle such as the one he had, where he did and when he did. So the whole "but he wasn't supposed to carry a gun there and especially ACROSS STATE LINES!!!" is completely null and void.

Exactly. Not to mention, if Kyle had not been carrying, he'd likely have been raped/killed by Rosenbaum & his history would matter then... all this rioting that was allowed by democrats over a dead criminal.

~~Leo656~~ · 11-17-2021, 02:27 PM

What a f*cking hero that George Floyd was. Hope his supporters are proud of all the violence wrought in his wake after they made him a martyr.

Imagine, if Floyd was home reading his daughter a book instead of out passing fake bills and getting high on dope, NONE of this ever could have happened.

Maybe we should stop putting junkies up on pedestals and the rest of it might just take care of itself. Worth thinking about.

Anyway, yeah, if the legal system does its job then Rittenhouse should walk.

11-16-2021, 03:28 PM	#1
~~mrmaczaps~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Maine Posts: 2,619	Rittenhouse/ self defense Odd to not see this thread already going on over here... So, Rittenhouse... self defense or killer? Why? Not arguing he should not have been there or not and it was lawful for him to be armed... I know where I stand & why. What say you dromers? Lol

11-16-2021, 05:28 PM	#3
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,511	I really don't care about the verdict one way or another. My gut feeling is that legally Rittenhouse was in the right. But it seems like everybody has to be on one "team" or the other on this issue. A lot of last year's problems could have been avoided if everybody stayed home. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

11-17-2021, 02:12 PM	#10
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,594	And apparently it was ruled perfectly legal and OK for him to carry a rifle such as the one he had, where he did and when he did. So the whole "but he wasn't supposed to carry a gun there and especially ACROSS STATE LINES!!!" is completely null and void. It's a very strange hill to die on for libtards and I think they're increasingly realizing this. On the one hand they feel strongly about it because they're terrified of guns and want to get them outta here so we can get one big step closer to socialist utopia... but on the other, this incident really doesn't fit any of the race-based narratives they've established for shootings, despite how hard they really, really try to make it fit. The general hope is probably that most people will just see an article with Kyle Rittenhouse's picture and a headline and go, "Ugh... damn white supremacist Trumpers!" and not bother to click or read any further. At this point. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 11-17-2021 at 02:19 PM.

11-16-2021, 06:34 PM	#5
joe-eyeball Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 708	If the jury follows the laws of the state then they MUST acquit him. There is no legal case to be made otherwise. The only possible reason I can think of that could result in finding him guilty is the jurors would be worried about public backlash for finding him not guilty.

11-17-2021, 11:47 AM	#8
Bahamut810 Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2021 Location: USA Posts: 704	Rosenbaum (the first death of two) was the one screaming that...and threatening people and in general “fronting” and a king aggressive through the night. The second death I think had a felony...but he had a skateboard and bashed Rittenhouse on the head and tried to take the rifle when he was shot (I think he had a hole in his hand in a direction proving that if people didn’t trust video). Bicept guy was a domestic abuser with a felony who was concealed carrying and had his pistol aimed at Rittenhouses head when he was shot.

11-17-2021, 02:27 PM	#12
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	What a f*cking hero that George Floyd was. Hope his supporters are proud of all the violence wrought in his wake after they made him a martyr. Imagine, if Floyd was home reading his daughter a book instead of out passing fake bills and getting high on dope, NONE of this ever could have happened. Maybe we should stop putting junkies up on pedestals and the rest of it might just take care of itself. Worth thinking about. Anyway, yeah, if the legal system does its job then Rittenhouse should walk.