Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero

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Originally Posted by sdp

I disagree with some of that, especially since this includes retcons that happened later which I think lessens the impact of who King Piccolo was. Originally he IS a demon, not this from another planet alien orphan story he got in DBZ. Picccolo was the embodiment of evil, and yes the first retcon we get is that he was Kamisamas evil being but whatever.

But Piccolo isn't meant to be the original Piccolo. King Piccolo even names him his son before he dies, hell they existed together for a few seconds if you really think about it. Even his name at first is Piccolo Jr./Majunia to make you know he's a different person. Yes he is the incarnation of King Piccolo but it's like in Avatar, Korra is the reincarnation of the Avatar but he's not actually Aang.

Now when he merges with Nail he does say he won't do anything to affect his personlity, but not because he can't just he didn't want to intrude but the way it's stated I feel like he could if he really wanted to and I think in a way he did. Even dende recognizes him as Nail. He clearly has his memories.

Even in the android saga Piccolo says he is the reincarnation of King Piccolo and still evil (ignore krillin speech). I don't necessarily think merging with Kami or Nail necessarily made him "good". It's also mentioned in the show how Piccolo Jr was never as evil as his father and his bond with Gohan and later sacrifice is what changed him.

Fusing with Kamisama the deal ends up being he'll only give him his strength and memories. He only fuses because he knows Piccolo is no longer evil. And Goku recognizes him easily as Kamisama/Piccolo together.

All this nonsense just to say that Akira Toriyama was very inconsistent so that makes it easy to argue one way or another. I don't think he cared much and just changed it as he remembered or was convinient.

I'm not going to dispute that it is confusing and inconsistent, or that the writer didn't fully remember what he had established all the time. Much of it is up to interpretation and a purely objective sense, the reincarnated Piccolo can't quite be the same individual Goku killed. And yes, it is doubtful the alien origin was initially considered.

But the thing is that it is explicitly clear that the reincarnated Piccolo and Kami still have their lifeforces intertwined as if the reincarnation is a direct continuation of the old one. Kami survived because the old Piccolo spat out the egg, he died when the new one died and he came back to life when he did. Coupled with the fact that he seems to have the memories of the old Piccolo leaves me to think the intended interpretation (retcons accounted for) is that the new Piccolo is basically the same character as the old one, just in a different body.