Smallville - Now with Supergirl

[Midnight_Tanuki]

There are several in fact, let me list a few of them

Lex Luthor (in his unauthorized biography) had poor parents and started his empire on his own (and he had hair as a kid) not seperating from lionel's company
Krypto was named in honor of Superman's death (1993) not found by the young clark kent
Barry Allen was the first Flash, not Bart
Smallville and Metropolis are in different states, in the show they are only a few miles away
Jor-El's message to Clark in the pod
In the comics, supes could fly from a young age (even though I love the way this is handled in Smallville)

regardless, i'll still watch smallville, it's a great show after all. The inconsistencies don't really bother me that much. I just wanted to point out that they are out there. Particularly if you take the show with a grain of salt.

[Brodie]

Well, most of that stuff had to change to fuel the show, and make it accessible to a younger, newer audience. Sure, the Bart thing is weird. But he never said he was the first. And he used alias' of Wally West, Barry Allen, etc., so he might have taken those identities from them.

I still like this show.

[ZariusTwo]

...Smallville is a re-intepretation of the Superman mythos, it's not a true prequel at all, therfore it can do whatever it wants with the concepts.

It's not as if the comics hav'nt done that either, Superman was gay beyond beleif before the modern continunity revamp

[Brodie]

Well said.
I'm glad Sam Jones is off the show, though.

[DrSpengler]

Originally Posted by Midnight_Tanuki

There are several in fact, let me list a few of them

Lex Luthor (in his unauthorized biography) had poor parents and started his empire on his own (and he had hair as a kid) not seperating from lionel's company

Pre-Crisis, Lex grew up in Smallville alongside Superboy. However, a freak lab accident caused him to lose all his hair and he blamed Superboy for it. Thus his hatred for Superman all stemmed from his losing his hair. Awesome.

Post-Crisis, is the whole corporate executive-thing. Honestly, they just completely rewrote his and Superman's Post-Crisis origins with Birthright (replacing John Byrnse's Man of Steel origin). I haven't read that yet, myself

Krypto was named in honor of Superman's death (1993) not found by the young clark kent

Depends. Bibbo's pet dog Krypto was originally going to be named "Krypton" in honor of the fallen Superman, but the license didn't have enough spae for the "n".

Superman's pet dog Krypto came from Krypton when Superman went back in time during the Return to Krypton arc. As Superman went through the portal to return back to his time, Krypto followed him and came to Earth.

Barry Allen was the first Flash, not Bart

Technically, Jay Garrick was the first Flash back in 1940.

Smallville and Metropolis are in different states, in the show they are only a few miles away

True that. Smallville is in Kansas and Metropolis is in Delaware (and very close to Gotham City)

Jor-El's message to Clark in the pod
In the comics, supes could fly from a young age (even though I love the way this is handled in Smallville)

regardless, i'll still watch smallville, it's a great show after all. The inconsistencies don't really bother me that much. I just wanted to point out that they are out there. Particularly if you take the show with a grain of salt.

Just my two cents.

[ZariusTwo]

I just saw the trailer for the season four finale of Smallville, "Commencement2, given how great the last few episodes have been, I suspected this 90-minute feature would be full of great little revelations and character arcs

...The trailer alone apologised for the addition of Lois Lane in this season...

Smallville under bombardment

Lionel pparently dead

And, even better...

Clark...was in...the...Artic.

Clark...was in...the...Artic.

Clark...was in...the...Artic.

Clark...was in...the...Artic.

Does this NEED an explanation?

[IceFlash78]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Clark...was in...the...Artic.

Does this NEED an explanation?

Yeah.. that was umm... like his base during the movies, right? I only saw parts of the movies.

[Anarky]

The Fortress of Solitude is located in the arctic. This leads to one conclusion: Clark is getting closer to Superman.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by IceFlash78

Yeah.. that was umm... like his base during the movies, right?

The "Does This Need An Explanation?" line was actually a joke, almost every Superman fan on the planet knows where the Fourtress of Solitude is...

[IceFlash78]

Well.. excuse me for not knowing what teh Fortress of Solitude is... I like Superman, but my only experience with Superman was the "Lois and Clark" tv series. The Fortress of Solitude means nothing to me, other than it being his base in the movies...which never really made sense to me.. guess I need to see the movies soon.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by IceFlash78

Well.. excuse me for not knowing what teh Fortress of Solitude is... I like Superman, but my only experience with Superman was the "Lois and Clark" tv series. The Fortress of Solitude means nothing to me, other than it being his base in the movies...which never really made sense to me.. guess I need to see the movies soon.

...And read the comics

...And watch the animated series...

The Foutress is'nt just exclusive to the movies, it's Supermans' artic refuge in almost EVERY aspect of the franchise

[Raph's Girl]

From thewb.com:

Smallville continues to successfully explore the legacy of one of America's greatest cultural icons. With a rabid fanbase and 3 top-selling seasons on DVD, it's clear that Clark Kent's journey into manhood will keep on thrilling millions of young adult WB viewers.

For Clark (Tom Welling), now the most eligible bachelor in Kansas, it's hard hiding his extraordinary gifts behind farmboy flannel. Now he's off to college, enrolling close to his home (and sweetheart Lana), but still heeding the call of his Kryptonian destiny. Remaining true to the original mythology, Clark finds himself traveling great distances to unlock his true potential. Lex Luthor, meanwhile, continues battling for control of his father's company as he comes to realize his own destiny, one bent on power, destruction, and revenge.

The move to Thursdays also brings out some new competition - sitcoms (Joey and Will & Grace) on NBC, and ABC's Alias is moving to the same time slot. All of the networks have not yet announced their plans, so The O.C. and Survivor may also still be on Thursdays at 9 too.

“This season, we're making a bold statement on Thursday nights by moving one of our signature hits, Smallville to 8:00,” WB Entertainment President David Janollari said in a press release. “The show faced some of the toughest competition of any series on television this season, going up against Lost every week, yet it continued to deliver great ratings, ” he said.. “With the critically acclaimed drama Everwood moving into the 9:00 timeslot, we think Thursday will be one of the most compelling nights of the upcoming season. Led by Treat Williams, Everwood features one of the strongest ensemble casts and some of the best writing on television.”

[Barkworm]

Raph's Girl, could you please pay a little more attention to similar threads before you open a new one? It's unnecessary to have several threads about the same topic.

[Raph's Girl]

Uh... Commencement is about the Season 4 finale.... my post is about Season 5... 2 entirely different topics. *blinks*

[Barkworm]

Yep, but both threads are about Smallville and I really don't see any reason for TWO Smallville threads.

[Raph's Girl]

Kryptonsite.com has spoilers for the 5th season premier of Smallvilled entitled "Arival"...Clark is not alone anymore... Below is a review with my thoughts.

- Out of the ship that Lana finds come what seem to be two Kryptonians - Nam-Ek, a "beautifully built black man," and a blond female named Aethyr. Sounds like they're naked, as all Kryptonians are when Smallville seasons begin. So much for that "suit that Clark was going to wear in Superman Returns" rumor, eh?

Raph's Girl note: Nam-Ek??? And he's the new token black dude in the series??? But he's named Nam-Ek??? Who wrote the script? A Dragonball Z fan??? When Clark found out he was sent to earth to take the planet over I was comparing him to Goku but this is just rediclious! Is he related to anybody named Ka-Mi or Pic-Olo or even Den-De?

Spoiler:

- Aethyr superspeeds in front of Lana. Lana notices a Kryptonian symbol on the small of Aethyr's back that is identical in look and placement to the one that Lana had on her back in Season 4.


- Lana asks the strangers who they are and where they're from. A military chopper approaches, and Aethyr sends it spiraling out of control, thanks to a burst of heat vision. Then, Nam-Ek uses his heat vision power to completely incinerate the chopper. Twenty armed soldiers approach in Humvees, and bullets bounce right off of the two strange visitors. They then incinerate all of their attackers with their heat vision.

Dierna note: So they're familiar with their powers...

Spoiler:

- A Humvee charges full throttle at Aethyr, who grabs it by the bumper and flips the vehicle into the air. After all this commotion, Aethyr asks Nam-Ek where the girl has gone to. "She's of no use," he says. "We must find Kal-El." Lana hides and crouches in the bushes as all this is going on. End of teaser...

A few minutes later:
- Lex comes up from the rubble inside of the cave. His hand is bruised. He walks into the cave's inner chamber, and finds Chloe's cell phone laying on the ground. Lex spots the altar, where the octagonal key is resting. He examines the octagonal key, and hears a "You!" from behind. It's Nam-Ek and Aethyr, wearing fatigues stolen from the military people. Lex thinks they're really soldiers, and tells them that everything is under control, and that they're probably needed elsewhere. Nam-Ek asks Lex where Kal-El is. "Who?" Lex asks. "He possesses the octagonal key," Aethyr says, and in doing something that sounds like the Force in Star Wars, Nam-Ek lifts his hand and the key rockets into his palm. They ask Lex if he is Kal-El. "Who wants to know?" Lex asks. Aethyr grabs Lex by the throat and digs her nails into his skin. "Kal-El would not bleed," she says.

Dierna note: They're Dark Jedi.. uh huh...

Spoiler:

And then....
- We see the Arctic tundra, and there's a human figure laying face down in the ice. It's Chloe. We don't know for sure what happens next, but it's a pretty safe bet that by episode's end, or at least early in the season, Chloe and Clark will have to have a little talk, because she now knows everything about where his powers came from and he's not your average run-of-the-mill meteor freak.

Dierna note: Wait..how'd she end up in the arctic and not Lex???

Meanwhile, at the hospital...
- Lois visits the Kents to make sure they're all right. She makes a comment about how they let her have a home before, so the least she could do is to help out when it came crashing down. The Kents smile, and then a shattering explosion shakes the walls. In the corridor are Nam-Ek and Aethyr. "Tell us where Kal-El is, or suffer the fate of your brethren," they warn. The sheriff fires his gun at them and the bullets fly off. (The script says his, but hey, isn't Nancy a she?) Lois watches in disbelief. Nam-Ek approaches Jonathan. "Where is Kal-El?" Aethyr demands that they are taken to him, that Jonathan would know where he is. Jonathan is shocked to hear someone saying Clark's Kryptonian name.


- Aethyr reaches for Jonathan, when Lois intervenes. "I know where Kal-El is!" She tells them that Kal-El is at Fort Ryan and is waiting for them. "I'll take you to him right now. But you have to promise to behave yourselves. That means no blowing stuff up. Got it?" Lois asks. Nam-Ek and Aethyr each take Lois by an arm. Lois grins, trying to cover her fear.

Dierna note: At least Lois is usefull for something...

Spoiler:

And what of Lana?
- Lana wakes up on a couch in the mezzanine of Luthor Mansion. Her leg is bandaged up. She hears a scratching noise coming from downstairs. She looks down, and sees the Kryptonian symbol that she saw on the man and the woman, carved into the wood floor. Then it is revealed who is doing the carving - it's Lionel! "Mr. Luthor, what are you doing?" Lana asks.... and sadly, that's all we know right now.

Dierna note: Lionel is a Kryptonian computer now..that's all he is.

Clark and the Kents Reunited
- Clark eventually makes his way to the hospital where the Kents are at. Jonathan tells Clark that they're looking for Kal-El. "I'll make it easy for them. Where are they?" he asks

Dierna note: Wait...Clark found his way back to Kansas from the North Pole??? Where's Chloe???

At the military hangar....
- Lois gets Aethyr and Nam-Ek to the military hangar and is stalling them with chit-chat. "Conversation? Don't they do that where you come from?" Lois asks. Aethyr reveals that the place they come from doesn't exist anymore. Nam-Ek gets angry. He realizes that Kal-El is not there. Lois tells him that Kal-El is right around some metal trunks in the corner, that that is "where he likes to hang out." The two walk toward the trunks, which are labeled "Lead Munitions." Behind them is nothing but a rat, but it buys Lois the time to pick up a rocket launcher. Yes. A rocket launcher. Lois fires and it blasts towards the duo. Nam-Ek catches the rocket, but it still explodes, engulfing the both of them. The Kryptonians emerge from the blast. Lois is terrified. "Whoops..."

Dierna note: Lois Lois Lois...*shakes head*

Spoiler:

Somewhere in Act Four...
- Lionel slumps toward the ground, unconscious. Lex gets up, out of breath, with a stream of blood trickling like a tear down his cheek.

- Nam-Ek and Aethyr are not pleased with Lois's ruse. "It was just a little prank," Lois babbles nervously. "Don't you guys have a sense of humor?" They hold her up in the air. "Guess not." Aethyr throws her 20 feet into a shelf of supplies. Things, and Lois, crash into the floor. Suddenly, Clark blurs out in superspeed, grabs both Nam-Ek and Aethyr by the hand, and throws THEM 80 feet, slamming into a cargo jeep. Yay for Smallville and the throwing around gag. They stand from the wreckage, unfazed. "We are not your enemies, Kal-El. We mean you no harm," says Nam-Ek. Nam-Ek explains that they three are the last survivors of Krypton, and that together they can do what their forefathers envisioned. "I saw what you did at the hospital," Clark tells them. "That's not utopia. It's murder."

Dierna note: Of course Clark shows up just as Lois is thrown unconsious...

- Aethyr tells Clark that some must be sacrificed for the sake of the many."

Dierna note: Or the one?

- Clark challenges her. "Then you'll have to sacrifice me, because I won't allow you to kill anyone else."

- Aethyr takes off her metallic bracelet and hurls it onto the floor. The bracelet mushrooms into a vortex of wind and black-purple light. "We cannot destroy you, Kal-El, but we can put you in a place where you cannot stop us," Nam-Ek tells him. Clark struggles as he is dragged toward the inferno.

Dierna note: She's got a tornado on her wrist??

- Clark uses some new skills he learned at the Fortress of Solitude earlier in the episode (obviously material we don't yet have spoilers for). He musters all of his strength to break free, and....

Dierna note: Oh goody..we DO see The Fortress..

....That's all we've got so far! See you in September! Stay tuned for more Season 5 spoilers as they become available!

[verminator_x]

season 5 oh damn i think they are on season 3 in norway, well no news that we always lies long after with television shows. i think even the dvd of season 5 will come further than the television show cames to some norwegian tv channels.

[ZariusTwo]

Hmm, sounds like Na-Mek and his companion are cheap knock offs of the Kryptonian criminals that atatcked Metropolis in Superman II, only there's no Zod.

Lionels' essentially Brainiac?

[Raph's Girl]

Got some rather interesting info...It seems Nam-Ek was in the Superman comics post-crisis. AKA Before the first universal reboot in the 1980's. And he was white so he's getting the Pete Ross treatment. A character obviously white in the comics yet gets a color change on tv.

Steelcaves.com describes Nam-Ek as "a Kryptonian scientist and healer who made an illegal 'Healing Ray' from the horn of the Rondor, an endangered animal of pre-cataclysmic Krypton. Overexposure to the explosive radiation of that ray transformed him into a Rondor-Kryptonian hybrid beast."

Nam-Ek eventually made his way into the Phantom Zone, shortly before the Crisis on Infinite Earths that changed DC Comics continuity forever.

And somebody on the Kryptonsite forums found info on Aeythr:

"Babaojay" has done some research of her own. Here's what she can tell us about Aethyr: "I just did some research into Aethyr..basically, Aeythr isn't a character, per se...it's the embodiment of the Phantom Zone. The best I can glean is that it is the result of two galaxies that collided and were destroyed, and Aethyr is the collective melding of all the souls that were lost. It basically consists of a multi-dimensional universe that will beharnessed by Kryptonians (and Jor-El) to form the Phantom Zone.

"It sounds like Smallville's Aethyr is in control of The Projector...the thing that allowed them to send prisoners to the Phantom Zone. A twist on the comics, but still basically the "gateway" to the Phantom Zone."

Aethyr was also referred to as "The Oversoul."

Here's an image of Namek from the comics:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/namek.jpg

[Raph's Girl]

Got some new spoilers for the season 5 premier...the biggie is...get this....

Lionel tells Lana that Nam-Ek and Aethyr are disciples of Zod and must be stopped.

ZOD!!!

Other spoilers include:

Spoiler:

- Lionel gives Lana a green Kryptonite rock so she can stop the two aliens. Lana looks down at the rock, and seems to start to put the situation together as to what she needs to do...

Clark and Lex Confrontation
- "We don't have time for an investigation," Clark tells Lex, maybe referring to the events that happened at the end of season 4. "Then be straight with me," Lex challenges him. "If you're my friend, you'll tell me the truth. Why were you in the caves when the meteors hit?"

- Jonathan tells a police officer that Fort Ryan must be notified immediately. The officer turns around with a bloody face, his eyes dazed.

Clark's new skill learned from Jor-El in the Fortress has him leaping backward in the air in a perfect backflip. His feet ram into Nam-Ek's chest, sending him flying 30 feet. Aethyr rips a wing off of a plane's fuselage and swings it at Clark. It misses. Twin shimmers of heat vision blast after Clark. Clark blasts back with his own rays. This goes until Aethyr fires a blast into the axis of criscrossing beams up above. All three of them are flown back from the inevitable blast. Clark falls on the ground, near the vortex, and Nam-Ek grabs him by the leg. "Goodbye, Kal-El," Nam-Ek says, ready to give him the final blow, when his own knees start to weaken.

- Reveal Lana right behind him, clutching a glowing green rock of Kryptonite. Clark tries to hide his own gripping pain. Aethyr rushes across the warehouse, getting weaker as she gets closer to the green rock. Weakened, Aethyr lets out a burst of heat vision which sears Lana's arm. Lana screams and slams back, knocking over some shelves, right behind those trunks labeled "lead munitions." Clark is back on his feet. The vortex continues to whirl. "Your human friends are of no use to you now, Kal-El," Nam-Ek tells him. Clark remembers Jor-El's words inside the Fortress and superspeed leaps into the air, ands ends up in the rafters, hidden from Nam-Ek and Aethyr. Aeythr searches for him, frustrated, when Clark comes back down from up above and pounces her, propelling her into the vortex. She digs her fingers into the floor when she is sucked inside. Nam-Ek struggles and tries to grab her arm and pull her out. As Nam-Ek struggles, Clark hurls a cannon at him, and....

And that's the latest spoilers.... ZOD!!!