Sinking ratings, is nostalgia not working?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

This series...there is just something about it that feels...phony... for lack of a better explanation.

Phony? What does that even mean? All the episodes have plots, stories, characters, humor. It also has similar storylines to all previous TMNT incarnations. The CG is good for a TV show budget as well. If you were expecting Pixar quality obviously that wouldn't happen.

the first few seasons came off as weird and boring to me. also discombobulated. this season 4 space arc is the first one where it feels they finally got their act together, and the first one I truly enjoyed.

Really? Seems most people feel the first season had the strongest structure. The show always hovers between important episodes and various mutant of the week episodes.

[Wolfie65]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

LOL, what? The 2k3 Turtles have very distinct personalities and the same development as any other series.

Also how in the world can you call the animation "amateurish?" The 2k3 series is still one of the best looking 2D animated shows of the 2000's. What are you talking about?

Compared to 1930's-50's Disney ALL animation is amateurish.

Distinct personalities ?
Yeah, I forgot: Mikey says 'dude' a lot, Donnie can fix stuff and Raph gets mad.

Not trolling, but if the 4Kids guys are teenagers, turtles or ninjas, I'm an Eskimo baby in Sudan.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Wolfie65

Compared to 1930's-50's Disney ALL animation is amateurish.

Distinct personalities ?
Yeah, I forgot: Mikey says 'dude' a lot, Donnie can fix stuff and Raph gets mad.

Not trolling, but if the 4Kids guys are teenagers, turtles or ninjas, I'm an Eskimo baby in Sudan.

Hello Eskimo baby in Sudan, I don't see how anyone could deny they're turtles.

[Shark_Blade]

They're definitely ninjas... not like they are pirates or safari rangers or something.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by LS Animation

This. The writing deteriorated. I've been recently re-watching season 1 and 2 episodes of the show and they are so much more exciting than what the season 4 has offered so far.

Can I third this? Except for Manhattan Project I mostly enjoyed many of the episodes of Season 2. Season 3, ...not so much. I couldn' get past the first half, and Season 4 I haven't watched at all.

It started when the henchmen began to get turned into generic villains, escalated with the over-use of nolstagia, and ended with Super Psychic Blast April. I like this show. But I don't what they are doing with this show. They have lost the game plan and they are sinking.

I think they might end it at Season 5, but if they do anything past that, they need to get back to it's roots. Space aliens, time travel and nostalgia are great in small doses, but anything more then that and you risk making the main story look insignificant next to these world shattering events, and having constantly to up the ante so you don't lose the 'wow' factor. While that might be nice to some, after a while I just want to see good ol' Ninja Turtles vs. Foot Clan, not the Earth blowing up just to shock up the slowly sagging ratings and try to revive the interest of some bored youngsters.
'

[CyberCubed]

Season 3, ...not so much. I couldn' get past the first half, and Season 4 I haven't watched at all.

So you're flat out saying you never watched any of Season 3 beyond the early episodes and none of Season 4, and you think you can accurately judge what the show is now?

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So you're flat out saying you never watched any of Season 3 beyond the early episodes and none of Season 4, and you think you can accurately judge what the show is now?

I haven't watched, but I have read a lot about each episode and what people's responses are to them. I know enough to get the gist of them, but if there is something more that I want to know about it I will look it up on sites that have more detail.


There are many people on this site that have stopped at some part of a season, I'm not the only one. Like me, they still find out what's going on, and like me they still comment even if they don't watch many of the episodes.

[CyberCubed]

And that's not a good enough way to have opinions on a show by reading random thoughts or seeing a handful of pictures/images online. If you haven't watched since the Northampton arc you don't have a good deal of knowledge/opinion of what's going on.

Also makes me wonder why you're still following info on this show if you stopped watching roughly a year and a half ago. I'm pretty sure the Northampton arc ended in early 2015, or maybe even before that.

[Wolfie65]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Can I third this? Except for Manhattan Project I mostly enjoyed many of the episodes of Season 2. Season 3, ...not so much. I couldn' get past the first half, and Season 4 I haven't watched at all.

It started when the henchmen began to get turned into generic villains, escalated with the over-use of nolstagia, and ended with Super Psychic Blast April. I like this show. But I don't what they are doing with this show. They have lost the game plan and they are sinking.

I think they might end it at Season 5, but if they do anything past that, they need to get back to it's roots. Space aliens, time travel and nostalgia are great in small doses, but anything more then that and you risk making the main story look insignificant next to these world shattering events, and having constantly to up the ante so you don't lose the 'wow' factor. While that might be nice to some, after a while I just want to see good ol' Ninja Turtles vs. Foot Clan, not the Earth blowing up just to shock up the slowly sagging ratings and try to revive the interest of some bored youngsters.
'

'Sacly!
Might have been better if there wouldn't have been ANY additional mutants (never mind Kraang...) in season 1, just a series of well-written episodes of the Turtles fighting foot in back alleys, warehouses, wharfs, sewers.
Even Shredder should have been nothing more than a shadowy menace in the background, more felt than seen.

[ToTheNines]

That sounds boring as ****.

[NinjaPug]

Seriously. 26 episodes of only that would've been pretty terrible.

[CyberCubed]

Since the beginning of next season sounds mystical watch people complain that Dracula, and probably demons, dragons, and other creatures start showing up.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Wolfie65

'Sacly!
Might have been better if there wouldn't have been ANY additional mutants (never mind Kraang...) in season 1, just a series of well-written episodes of the Turtles fighting foot in back alleys, warehouses, wharfs, sewers.
Even Shredder should have been nothing more than a shadowy menace in the background, more felt than seen.

Now that you mention it, they did blow their wad rather early. Season 1, and virtually "everybody" was in it.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Since the beginning of next season sounds mystical watch people complain that Dracula, and probably demons, dragons, and other creatures start showing up.

Are you talking about complanings over "way too many weired characters" or Evangelicals compaining over stuff like demons or maybe Japanese deities (like the Archie comics).

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Phony? What does that even mean? All the episodes have plots, stories, characters, humor. It also has similar storylines to all previous TMNT incarnations. The CG is good for a TV show budget as well.

It's true. The show has everything you mentioned except good writing, after Season 1. Because Season 1 actually had veteran writers.

Also, Brandon Auman. 2 reasons why no one watches this series anymore.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Now that you mention it, they did blow their wad rather early. Season 1, and virtually "everybody" was in it.

I mean, they saved Casey, Renet/Savanti, Bebop/Rocksteady, Fugitoid/Triceratons, The Mutanimals, and Bishop for later seasons.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

It's true. The show has everything you mentioned except good writing, after Season 1. Because Season 1 actually had veteran writers.

That makes no difference. You're acting like all the writers aren't professionals who graduated College and have writing skills and work in the industry. They didn't hire people off of fanfiction.net.

Also, Brandon Auman. 2 reasons why no one watches this series anymore.

Aside from some weird scenes, I don't find his episodes too bad.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That makes no difference. You're acting like all the writers aren't professionals who graduated College and have writing skills and work in the industry. They didn't hire people off of fanfiction.net.

Now if they'd hire people from A03, that'd be a different story.
(and quite possibly a better written, more genre savvy one)

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Now that you mention it, they did blow their wad rather early. Season 1, and virtually "everybody" was in it.

It did didn't it? It could have done really well to spread a lot of the season 1 characters throughout the show. I honestly could've waited until season 2 or the end of season 1 for Leatherhead. Especially Rat King who would've been awesome to bring back during a season 3 episode with his ghost tormenting Splinter like one issue from Mirage. The number slips my mind at the moment.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

It did didn't it? It could have done really well to spread a lot of the season 1 characters throughout the show. I honestly could've waited until season 2 or the end of season 1 for Leatherhead. Especially Rat King who would've been awesome to bring back during a season 3 episode with his ghost tormenting Splinter like one issue from Mirage. The number slips my mind at the moment.

The TMNT universe has hundreds of characters. They already held back popular characters.

Bebop/Rocksteady didn't even get mutations till Season 3! The Triceratons/Fugitoid were saved for Season 4. Renet/Savanti appeared in Season 3. Hun and Bishop didn't appear till Season 3. Armaggon, Lord Dregg, etc.

I have no idea why people think they introduced everyone in Season 1.