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[Netkeeper]

You are literally suggesting people ban religion before guns.

When the United States was founded on religious freedom among other values.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Nah, you've just gone around negging me like a pedantic little child ever since Leo left. You never act like a heel, ever.

Well I was gonna move this to your profile but since you have profile comments disabled, guess it ain't going there, it's gonna have to go here.

Perhaps you're making up stories. I've always thought you to be a fool, though maybe you only noticed after Leo left. This forum only has so many people and I'm not making you a personal target because if I was you'd know about it.

[plastroncafe]

Religion doesn't kill people.
People kill people.

Religion is a tool used by people.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

You are literally suggesting people ban religion before guns.

When the United States was founded on religious freedom among other values.

Yes, I am literally saying that. I am not an atheist, but anti-theist.

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Well I was gonna move this to your profile but since you have profile comments disabled, guess it ain't going there, it's gonna have to go here.
Perhaps you're making up stories. I've always thought you to be a fool

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Religion doesn't kill people.
People kill people.

Religion is a tool used by people.

Just curious, but how do you reconcile you SJC with, oh I don't know, this:



I'm not mocking, just wondering.

[Netkeeper]

I don't think you know how realistic expectations work.

[Jester]

[Commenter 42]

Jester, really? Et tu, Brute?

Wait, lemme guess, my posts got flagged!
Golly-gee, wonder who's gone and done that...

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Jester, really? Et tu, Brute?

Wait, lemme guess, my posts got flagged!
Golly-gee, wonder who's gone and done that...

I posted it with no other explication for a reason...not directed any which way.

Seems everything is either black or white anymore. No room for reasoned discussion and nuance.

[Electric]

But, you know, if the shoe fits...

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Electric

But, you know, if the shoe fits...

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I've always wanted to start my own religion, just to see how much money you can make. It's a great racket, if you know a little NLP, and have a fun story.

It can't be that hard. Even ****ing Aum Shinrikyo still has like 2,000 members.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

back on topic...
I'm sorry, but you can't argue in favor of just one solution, while ignoring the open wound of theism. Guns are the reaction, not the cause. If you don't address it, more of the same follows.

So I detest religion as much as you, but I gotta ask, what do you do about it? I'd love if everyone would just come to their senses, but I just don't see it happening in our life time.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

http://i.imgur.com/9oDtyIk.jpg

and yet, I'm the asshole?

Laugh it up idiot. Keep laughing when they come after you.
Instead you act all indignant, worrying about gun laws, and not the laws of Islam. Theses duded are spreading hate, no different than the christian right.

Who the **** is the fool dude. Wake the **** up.

The people aren't bad, but the poison in the minds is.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

It can't be that hard. Even ****ing Aum Shinrikyo still has like 2,000 members.
So I detest religion as much as you, but I gotta ask, what do you do about it? I'd love if everyone would just come to their senses, but I just don't see it happening in our life time.

Well, it's like any other societal illness. We've moved the needle on bigotry, racism, smoking, sugar, and to some extent Global Warming.
It's about changing the conversation and pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes. It's about education, patience, and more education.

Death is the scariest thing there is, so when people are offered the choice between something and nothing... it's hard to reconcile.

[Netkeeper]

Oh my god are you implying muslims are going to kill me

[plastroncafe]

Which is entirely different than anti-theist hate, which is good and pure because of its basis in rational thought...or so they keep trying to tell me, right before they insult my intelligence, my gender, and sometimes even my sexual orientation.

[snake]

Commenter 42, what do you suppose we do about Islam then? What would you do?

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

When the United States was founded on religious freedom among other values.

While I agree with most of your thoughts, I'm going to pull you up on that one. The pilgrims left for the New World to found a new colony in the Americas so they COULD persecute over religion, because they were not allowed to in England at the time. So it was actually created for the purpose of restricting religious freedoms. Wasn't until the Constitution was signed that this ideology went into the dustbin from government interference.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

While I agree with most of your thoughts, I'm going to pull you up on that one. The pilgrims left for the New World to found a new colony in the Americas so they COULD persecute over religion, because they were not allowed to in England at the time. So it was actually created for the purpose of restricting religious freedoms. Wasn't until the Constitution was signed that this ideology went into the dustbin from government interference.

There are some historians who believe that the Puritans actually hijacked the Mayflower, and that the Mayflower Compact was written to ease tensions.

These were people who were upset that the world was becoming too secular.
The folks who banned the celebration Christmas for being too pagan.
To call them religious extremists wouldn't be too off the mark.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

While I agree with most of your thoughts, I'm going to pull you up on that one. The pilgrims left for the New World to found a new colony in the Americas so they COULD persecute over religion, because they were not allowed to in England at the time. So it was actually created for the purpose of restricting religious freedoms. Wasn't until the Constitution was signed that this ideology went into the dustbin from government interference.

Fair enough, I got my details wrong. Can't really blame me when Commenter clearly thinks I'm going to be the victim of another hate crime.

[Cure]

Tolerance means accepting people no matter what their religion or lack thereof, sexual orientation, race, gender, status, or anything is. Seems a lot of people in the world, Technodrome Forums included, have forgotten that. Sad times all around.

[plastroncafe]

People often equate tolerance of a thing to approval or support of a thing. That isn't the case.

I like the things I like, and for the most part I tolerate the things I don't.