Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 16: Broken Foot

[TheCollector]

Has Hun been in this before? I honestly can't remember.

[Powder]

The show, in general? Yeah. Casey Jones Vs. The Underworld was his debut. He had a part in Meet Mondo Gecko, too.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by TheCollector

Has Hun been in this before? I honestly can't remember.

He literally had a whole episode in his debut.

[DVD]

Cool episode , even if most was set in the not so cool smelting factory ...
Nice to see a direct continuation from last week. A few more laughs here as well.

The new look Leo sort of reminded me of the Battle Gear figures from the 2K3 line.

[JH24]

Entertaining and action-packed episode. Really enjoyed it. Only thing that annoys me a bit is Karai's stubborn attitude. She's in way over her head, and she would have been done for without Leo.

I do like the relationship/dynamic between them. In a way, Karai has a certain influence/leverage over him and she knows it. I liked Leo's storyline in this episode and how in the end he did the right thing and asked his brothers for help.

[shredder orokusaki]

No i didntl ike the episode because they desroyed my foot bot facility and chemical plant But i will take my revenge very soon

[Yoshimickster]

Stop typing from you phone Shredder, your mutant fingers are messing up your words.

ON THE TOPIC OF KARAI'S MUTATION....anyone else think the turtles could/should get powers? Maybe a "Hyper Mutation" like in the Red Sky season.

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Pretty good ep, and I like that we have human Foot Soldiers back in the mix now, would definitely like to see more of them.

Hun was taken out pretty quickly, and its obvious Bebop/Rocksteady are mostly comic relief. Tiger Claw has really been failing a lot lately, makes you wonder if it'll lead to a character arc for him.

I'm pretty much ready to give up on TC. And I like the guy, he deserves to be in more TMNT stories, cartoons, movies, etc. after this series is over in large part thanks to his intriguing back story, his design, his skills, and the presence that Eric Bauza brings. But he's deserved better here. I know he's only had three episodes this season but he's done absolutely nothing (as well as the other villains)!
ELS did a terrible job handling his only scene. They didn't even have any of the other henchmen to act as eyewitnesses and therefore couldn't act as either skeptic nor justifier to TCs shortsightedness. There wasn't even a trace of those other guys the whole episode!
Next episode, he, Xever, and Bradford are just part of an overly long fight and contribute nothing else.
Same story with him and B&R. Unlike last episode, they had two different battles instead of one but they basically just went through the motions.

That being said, I don't think they're going to go the route Ciro "planned" at 1:08 in this video--or it may be too late to my disappointment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCtxWTkJbq0
This is the character arc for TC which would've been good for him since he and the rest of the henchmen have become stale by staying with Shredder this long (not to mention that he was brought in from Japan to basically be "the answer" Shredder's been looking for). They've become nothing more than underdeveloped pawns by staying where they are as well as a lack of screen time as compared to our protagonists.

Now keep in mind, I like Ciro Nieli. He got screwed out of finishing SRMTHFG which is a series that I liked, he's done some good things with this series, he's still not so good with character dating back to SRMTHFG (traits with little to no development in both these series'), and he has a way of running his mouth. First there's this video (which obviously sounds good), then there's him opening up to wanting to have made April black (which is a dumb idea), and then he apparently said that he wanted to have Splinter killed at some point b/f the series took place or having his fate in "Annihilation: Earth!" repeated in "Earth's Last Stand" as you guys have pointed out (the latter being dumber than the former).
Now I'm aware that he may have problems with management that have kept him from fulfilling the stuff listed in the above paragraphs and at 1:08 in the video, but I'm just going to say this because this is just the way it is: if the above mentioned stuff is true and/or he doesn't deliver on that part of the video I mentioned, I can only conclude that Ciro's a liar and anything he says shouldn't be taken seriously. That's my opinion, and I'm going to stick with it.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

I'm pretty much ready to give up on TC. And I like the guy, he deserves to be in more TMNT stories, cartoons, movies, etc. after this series is over in large part thanks to his intriguing back story, his design, his skills, and the presence that Eric Bauza brings. But he's deserved better here. I know he's only had three episodes this season but he's done absolutely nothing (as well as the other villains)!
ELS did a terrible job handling his only scene. They didn't even have any of the other henchmen to act as eyewitnesses and therefore couldn't act as either skeptic nor justifier to TCs shortsightedness. There wasn't even a trace of those other guys the whole episode!
Next episode, he, Xever, and Bradford are just part of an overly long fight and contribute nothing else.
Same story with him and B&R. Unlike last episode, they had two different battles instead of one but they basically just went through the motions.

That being said, I don't think they're going to go the route Ciro "planned" at 1:08 in this video--or it may be too late to my disappointment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCtxWTkJbq0
This is the character arc for TC which would've been good for him since he and the rest of the henchmen have become stale by staying with Shredder this long (not to mention that he was brought in from Japan to basically be "the answer" Shredder's been looking for). They've become nothing more than underdeveloped pawns by staying where they are as well as a lack of screen time as compared to our protagonists.

Now keep in mind, I like Ciro Nieli. He got screwed out of finishing SRMTHFG which is a series that I liked, he's done some good things with this series, he's still not so good with character dating back to SRMTHFG (traits with little to no development in both these series'), and he has a way of running his mouth. First there's this video, then there's him opening up to wanting to have made April black, and then he apparently said that he wanted to have Splinter killed at some point b/f the series took place or having his fate in "Annihilation: Earth!" repeated in "Earth's Last Stand" as you guys have pointed out.
Now I'm aware that he may have problems with management that have kept him from fulfilling the stuff listed in the above paragraphs and at 1:08 in the video, but I'm just going to say this because this is just the way it is: if the above mentioned stuff is true and/or he doesn't deliver on that part of the video I mentioned, I can only conclude that Ciro's a liar and anything he says shouldn't be taken seriously. That's my opinion, and I'm going to stick with it.

The season isn't over yet and there is still a Humans vs. Mutants arc coming up. That could be the situation that turns the tables for Tiger Claw.

[JH24]

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

ON THE TOPIC OF KARAI'S MUTATION....anyone else think the turtles could/should get powers? Maybe a "Hyper Mutation" like in the Red Sky season.

Personally, I wouldn't like to see the turtles getting a mutation. I just prefer the turtles to defeat their enemies as they are. If they have to get a (temporary upgrade) I prefer something like in 2k3's fifth season, minus the dragon forms.

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

The season isn't over yet and there is still a Humans vs. Mutants arc coming up. That could be the situation that turns the tables for Tiger Claw.

I understand that. But as I mentioned, I have very little reason to believe in it happening any more. And even if it does happen, it may be too late to have it done right.

[Yoshimickster]

Originally Posted by JH24

Personally, I wouldn't like to see the turtles getting a mutation. I just prefer the turtles to defeat their enemies as they are. If they have to get a (temporary upgrade) I prefer something like in 2k3's fifth season, minus the dragon forms.

I dunno, temporary upgrades have always annoyed me. Like in the first run of Spawn, where Spawn gets this SUPER power-up that allowed him to beat both God AND Satan...and then he goes back to normal.

[Jephael]

I love the interaction between Mikey and Shinigami. Really hoping we see those two pair up in an adventure together. It'd be funny to see how he'd react to Renet showing up again and he'd be like "Oh yea, I had another girlfriend."

[Vicky82]

I expect Mikey knows that he will never have a chance with Renet because she's a time mistress in training from the future. So having a crush on Shinigami makes him think that he might have chance with her. But it could turn out horribly wrong and Shinigami might end up turning evil.

[IndigoErth]

Pretty good, and liking where the story seems to be going right now. To get back on this angle has been long overdue.

Although it definitely feels like there is a missing episode that should have come before this one. I don't really get Leo's unexplained "costume change." A little added gear maybe, but an all over change for no reason.... eh. It looks cool, but reason is...? That better still lead to actual Dark Leo if Karai ends up under Shredder's control again or something.

Sooo... the burns on her face. I'm not one of those who grab anything as proposed "foreshadowing," but it will be surprising if that isn't.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I expect Mikey knows that he will never have a chance with Renet because she's a time mistress in training from the future. So having a crush on Shinigami makes him think that he might have chance with her. But it could turn out horribly wrong and Shinigami might end up turning evil.

That is true. Shini isn't evil but she doesn't have any real morals, as her character is literally described as walking the line between good and evil. And in life, some of the things that we perceive as beautiful are dangerous if not deadly both in a figurative and literal sense.

So Mikey may have a crush on Shini for a time, but then as things progress he realizes that no matter how attractive she may be she is still poisonous and that makes her less desirable in his eyes.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

Now I'm aware that he may have problems with management that have kept him from fulfilling the stuff listed in the above paragraphs and at 1:08 in the video, but I'm just going to say this because this is just the way it is: if the above mentioned stuff is true and/or he doesn't deliver on that part of the video I mentioned, I can only conclude that Ciro's a liar and anything he says shouldn't be taken seriously. That's my opinion, and I'm going to stick with it.

What part of anything says he's a liar? It's just what he intended to do. Changing your mind doesn't make you a liar.

[Powder]

I tried to make that point to him a month or so ago & he challenged me to a real life fist fight.

Probably easier to just move on.

[ToTheNines]

My money's on you, Powder.

[snake]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

My money's on you, Powder.

I'm betting Powder as well. Dude's a powerhouse!