Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[Bry]

I'd say it's more of a situation that Man of Steel began a universe-wide reboot of sorts and this movie is just continuing it. It's a sequel in a rebooted universe, but not a reboot itself.

[Commenter 42]

Like I said from the beginning; this isn't Superman, it's Snyder's alien invasion phobia.

He can't shoot action to save his life. Violently shaking the camera, and adding excessive motion blur, doesn't add intrigue; follow the action, don't obscure it, and if possible, allow the action to happen inside the frame, do not impose the action on the scene with your framing.

It's so GD simple. Also, it's 2016. We has colors.
If you liked the two sequels to the Expendables, this a' movie, isa far youse'a.

Also, not for nothing, but if I'm "Superman", I'm not getting hung up on Amy Adams, ever. (Especially when even my earth-mom is hotter.)

[CyberCubed]

According to this thread on neogaf linking to a news article, WB has noticed the negative fan backlash against the Batman/Superman trailers, and they're thinking about pushing back the Justice League movie and all the future Batman/Superman ones:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1183007

Wonder Woman movie should be unaffected. Makes you wonder if they'll focus more on Batfleck and Supes will get pushed aside depending on how well received Batman is.

[Leo656]

Doubt it. The overwhelming majority of "chatter" has been overwhelmingly positive and only gotten moreso with each new trailer. The whiniest ones are still making noise, but there's fewer of them every day, and tons more, "I wasn't sure, but NOW..."

It makes sense that the fact that not 100% of people are on board makes them nervous, because by now there's really nothing left to complain about, but some people made up their minds three years ago and were never going to be swayed. At some point you just have to realize you're not pleasing everyone and settle for Most People instead.

The only real concern is simply the fact that there are simply too many comic book movies this year, really close together, which is good for all of us, but bad for the studios. Analysts genuinely predict that every single one of them is going to under-perform to some degree, but what can you do? When they all planned their movie slates three years ago, they assumed people loved these movies so much they'd see all of them multiple times, and many do, but it's still not the same. Even someone who goes to see every comic book movie this year, is probably going to see each one fewer times than they would otherwise, just because it gets expensive. If you have, say, three comic book movies out in one year, a big fan might see each of them 3-5 times, an average person who really likes it might go twice. But with 6 or more movies in the same genre coming out so rapidly, you figure a Big Fan might see each one 2, 3 times max and anyone else probably once and then wait for the DVD.

I think that's why all the studios are pushing for two movies per year instead of one, from now on, try to spread it around and make some of that money back. You don't lose as much if half the time you're "competing" with your own company. Makes sense.

It's actually going to be kind of humorous to see a lot of people's anxiety go away once the actual movie finally comes out. Some people aren't gonna be down for it but the majority are going to be very pleasantly surprised. I mean, it wasn't really that long ago that a LOT of people were convinced "Batman Begins" was going to be awful, all the way up until release. Stuff has a funny way of sorting itself out.
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Forgot to mention, that is one amazing trailer. That scene of Batman wrecking those dudes is sick, in particular. Everything's great, it's really at the point where people who aren't digging it need a bigger shovel. The "complaints" are just the pickiest of nits. That part, all the gnashing of teeth and predictions of doom n' gloom, I won't miss at all.

[NinjaPug]

WB might be a little uneasy about how BvS is going to perform but I doubt they're already looking to alter their future film schedule a month and a half before release. That's ridiculous.

[mrmaczaps]

People really see movies more than once in theater? Huh. BvS really hasn't sold me that the story will email well written and coherent but the looks of Bats & Superman I have come to live with... I didn't care for MOS at all, but these comicons book movie pander to the lowest common denominator and lots of explosions.

A lot of entertainment today is all flash and no substance. Oh well though. The movie people just want to make money and as long as "fans" go see it and monies come in....

[CyberCubed]

I think WB really shot themselves in a foot not giving us a solo Batman film before this movie. Its just poor planning.

The moment the Nolan trilogy wrapped up back in 2012 they should have had a new solo Batman film in 2014.

[Leo656]

Not everyone does but a lot of people do see movies they like at least twice, especially comic book movies. A large chunk of the audience that goes to these kinds of movies goes an average of two or three times. Studios count on that. They definitely crave that "That was SO COOL, I have to see it AGAIN!" response from as many people as possible. Which works out great, BUT, it's a packed year, every studio is hedging their bets, not just WB.
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Meanwhile, this is interesting to me. Consider: There's a TMNT movie coming out in a few months that is the textbook definition of "all-flash and no substance", was shot in a couple weeks with NO script, and is CLEARLY aimed at the "Lowest common denominator".

THEN you have this movie, with a script written by an Oscar-winning writer, that's been in development for three years, ONE entire year dedicated solely to post-production. And a director who openly declares that comic book movies should be - GASP - heavily inspired by the comics they were based on and embrace the mythology without tinkering with it or being otherwise ashamed of it. Imagine that. "Let's just do the comics, but bigger." About goddamn time.

This is interesting to me, because the first example given is of filmmakers Doing Everything Exactly Wrong, while this movie on the other hand is far more in the vein of Doing Everything They're Supposed To Do. As such, I can say with all sincerity, I don't know how you can come up with that kind of opinion on this one. Movies like TMNT2, Jem, stuff like that... yes, total "lowest common denominator", misfired on Everything Possible, no regard at all for what they're trying to adapt, I can see how you can say that stuff about those kinda flicks... but none of that applies to this flick as far as I can see. I'unno man. They did the work with this one. In fact, few movies made in the last few years PERIOD have the pedigree, or the amount of work and care put into it, that this one does, comic book movie or otherwise. And those are facts.
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I honestly don't know what neogaf is, generally speaking, but I do end up clicking links like that one that take me there during my obsessive following of the movie's development, and I will say, the few times I ended up there the rumors being kicked around were bullsh*t.

So yeah, I doubt it. I mean nothing is impossible but the truth is, the buzz is REALLY good. It's just NOT as good as they initially hoped when they announced this whole endeavor. due to the kind of year it's going to be. Of course they're not "relaxing" but I doubt they're panicking. It would actually end up costing them way more in the long run to do that kind of massive and sudden shift, rather than just stay the course and tinker things as necessary based on what people react to most in this one.

I did hear some scuttlebutt very recently that some movies might be coming out sooner than originally planned, some later, and some they still don't have entirely worked out yet, like Shazam! and GL Corps. So they're still tinkering things long-term, definitely, but I haven't heard anything about a Panic Button, not at all.

In fact, most recent thing I heard was that Deathstroke is officially off-limits for the DC TV shows for the foreseeable future because they want to save him for either a Batman movie or a Titans movie (which may end up being what was originally slotted in as the Cyborg movie). Which sucks for DCTV fans but is great news for the upcoming movies.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I think WB really shot themselves in a foot not giving us a solo Batman film before this movie. Its just poor planning.

The moment the Nolan trilogy wrapped up back in 2012 they should have had a new solo Batman film in 2014.

Nope. We've had plenty of Batman solo movies. We've NEVER had a team-up movie this big, with these particular iconic characters. PLUS, 2014 was still too soon for people to "get over" Bale. Some people never will, but now, after finally seeing more of what we're actually getting, all that "Best Batman Ever" talk is becoming Accepted Fact by more and more people. Plus, not only do you establish Batman in this movie, you get to simultaneously establish his connection to several other important characters occupying the same universe. They're able to tell A Lot More Story a lot more efficiently.

No matter what anyone says, the WORST thing DC/WB ever could have done, would be to copy the Marvel formula, and do 2 or 3 solo films for each character before doing Justice League. You don't NEED to do that, and frankly, even though most Marvel films are "good" you can toss out 2/3s of them, they DON'T intersect and they DON'T play off each other as much or as organically as they pretend they do. The way DC/WB is establishing their universe is going to be MUCH bigger and more cohesive by the time it's over, and a lot of that has to do with how they've chosen to balance this movie. There are a lot of seemingly-incidental things that are going to lead to Huge Things a few movies down the line. They're simply not taking the lazy approach to "world-building", simply having a recognizable character from another movie pop up after the credits. That was cute, for years and years, but I think we can try doing it a little differently now.

You'll get your solo Batman movie in 2.5 years and it'll be awesome. We get "bigger" stuff, meanwhile, stuff we've never seen in a movie before. That's more exciting than seeing him meet Joker for the 80th time. By now, with Batman of ALL characters, you're entirely allowed to join the story in progress. Everyone knows it already, no need to retread. Make it Bigger, move it forward. That's what they're doing, and they're correct to do so.

He could be younger but that's nitpicking.

[CyberCubed]

Leo, neogaf is a gaming community that also has forums for movies/tv shows/comics...etc. anything really.

[Leo656]

Okay, fine. Sounds like they toss a lot of nonsense around. Like I said, I've chased a small handful of rumors to that place but they've all been false.

Also, I edited my above comment to reply to yours.

[CyberCubed]

I just want Batfleck to get a lot of screentime, which we won't get if he's always co-starring movies with other superheroes.



Seems like Wonder Woman may get more screentime than expected. It would surprise me since she's barely in any of the trailers I thought she was going to be low-key.

[NinjaPug]

This whole rumor started from McWeeny at HitFix and Faraci at BMD. Both can be polarizing reporters but if they're saying that WB is concerned about this movie then it's true.

[Leo656]

Cubed: It's complicated. She doesn't have an enormous amount of screentime, especially in-costume, BUT, she has an enormous impact on the plot in several ways, and everything she does is important. Make sense?

And don't worry, they're heavily invested in this new Batman and how awesome he is. Thus, the Batman-centric trailer. The first quarter of the movie in particular spends a lot of time establishing him before the plot takes over. The ultimate goal is to establish a version of Batman who doesn't feel out of place rubbing shoulders with Titans like Superman and Wonder Woman, not just a guy patrolling a few blocks every night. The JLA movies will be about Global Threats, rather than the more familiar, intimate villains of the solo films. They need a Batman who's more of a heavy-hitter than others have been. It's been said that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman will ALL have a presence in other DC films to some degree, even ones they don't appear in will reference them in some way, because they're Super Important Characters.

So yeah, it's all pretty exciting and I think you're gonna like it.

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

This whole rumor started from McWeeny at HitFix and Faraci at BMD. Both can be polarizing reporters but if they're saying that WB is concerned about this movie then it's true.

We'll see. There are "degrees" of Concern. There's, "I hope we do really well with this, we've sure invested a lot of time and money," which is natural and expected. "Let's Panic and stat throwing crap at the wall", though... again, since when, yesterday? Every bit of feedback is positive and independent market analysts expect it to be one of the biggest-grossing movies of the year. It would be an easy Number One in a less-packed year; that's literally the only thing to be concerned about, how many people are "saving their money" for something else, but I honestly doubt that's going to be a huge concern, ultimately.

Again, we'll see. 10 months ago, the word was the Wonder Woman project was "a disaster" with no firm direction, now it's getting huge buzz and everyone's excited. Stuff happens.

[Sumac]

Last trailer looked almost interesting. Superman almost presented as a villain. Would have been an interesting angle, if the whole marketing campaign was built around that idea, with no mention of other heroes and Lex Luthor.

I still have suspicions that this movie will be a mess, but at least Batman parts will be good and that's something.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I still have suspicions that this movie will be a mess, but at least Batman parts will be good and that's something.

What I've been saying all along

[Leo656]

Some people should make Being Wrong their paid position in life.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Some people should make Being Wrong their paid position in life.

I would go broke in that job.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Leo656

So yeah, it's all pretty exciting and I think you're gonna like it.We'll see. There are "degrees" of Concern. There's, "I hope we do really well with this, we've sure invested a lot of time and money," which is natural and expected. "Let's Panic and stat throwing crap at the wall", though... again, since when, yesterday? Every bit of feedback is positive and independent market analysts expect it to be one of the biggest-grossing movies of the year. It would be an easy Number One in a less-packed year; that's literally the only thing to be concerned about, how many people are "saving their money" for something else, but I honestly doubt that's going to be a huge concern, ultimately.

Again, we'll see. 10 months ago, the word was the Wonder Woman project was "a disaster" with no firm direction, now it's getting huge buzz and everyone's excited. Stuff happens.

WB was also "concerned" about Fury Road last year simply because they didn't know what they had or how the public would respond. I'd say those concerns were unwarranted.

This comes with the territory on these bigger budget films but especially on this one because it's essentially their launching point into 10 additions movies over the next 5 years. There is a lot on the line if this one doesn't meet expectations.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The Batman side is the reboot. So half a reboot.

>Tries to claim this movie is a reboot
>Is proven wrong several times
>Then tries to say only the "BATMAN SIDE!" is a reboot

Unless they explore Batman's origins AGAIN then you would be correct. If anything the solo Affleck Batman movie will be a reboot.

[Amaranthus]

I want to beat Cubed with a baseball bat.