Young Justice animated series

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I do have to air at least one major complaint about this series, however. Namely, the Villains. They all seem to have about the same agenda and cooperate fully without contention, bickering, or scheming their own agendas. Apparently, we've got Vandal Savage, Luthor, Joker, Ra's Al Ghuul, and Klarion functioning as lackeys to some "Greater Evil." There's just no way that could happen given the diverse character (or lack thereof) of that motley crew.

I can only assume that 90% of all the villains we've seen on this show have been brainwashed by the yet-to-be-revealed "The Light." I'll go on the record in saying that Mind Control is fun for short bursts but is a pretty weak way to write villains at lengths. And if they aren't being MC'd... dang, I'll be really disappointed.

You're a little confused here. The Light consists of Ra's, Luthor, Vandal Savage, Klarion, The Brain, Queen Bee and Ocean Master. They've all teamed together to systematically destroy the Justice League. No mind control needed to get them to attend that party.

Yeah, it's definitely non-traditional to have almost all of the villain's working together, but it makes logical sense that they do since all the heroes work together. I personally chalk it up to the fact that The Light is just paying all their underling's very well, that's how they get nutcases like Joker and Poison Ivy to work for them.

Even then, there are still some standalone baddies in the continuity. Harm, The Terror Twins, and Clayface to name a few. As well as all the stuff that happens off-screen.

[sdp]

Well the show seemed to get flack from the internet but I always enjoyed it, I loved the first season and each episode, the hiatus made me forget about the show but quickly picked it up once it started airing again, now if they had aired it without so many breaks I think I would've only liked the show more since I would've gotten a lot more out of the continuity it had. It definitely has some flaws but overall I loved it. Every time we saw the league I always wanted to have a show that was about the league but that's fine. We do see the League in action with the same characters basically in the DCU DTVs which while technically a different continuity, I don't care they fit perfectly so why not it just helps expand on the league and dont hurt the show since they are separate adventures. Can't wait for the second season and hope that it continues for a third. I also wouldn't go as far to say that its better than the DCAU because its an unfair comparison, that show got many shows through a whole decade to set up its universe, if Greg had that much time and also different shows I'm sure it could become better, but it just won't happen. In fact I'm already setting up for S2 to be the final season the show will get and knowing Weisman it'll end on a cliffhanger with tons of unresolved plots.

The show does have a few things that annoy me, I like the romance and all which people complain but I don't like some of the decisions they made like having them talk psychically, sure it makes sense if you have the ability to do it to use it but it takes away from superheroes being superheroes, you never saw the Justice League doing it even though they had J'onn with them. I'm also not a fan of the whole "this is a young DCU", I mean it really isn't, I wish it wasn't Dick as Robin etc. Batgirl looks older in that screenshot, and you have other characters like Superboy, the second aqualad and now Jaime Reyes, this is anything but a Young DC Universe. I would've rather had Arrowette than Artemis since her whole arc was a bit boring anyways and yeah when the show info was leaked I just expected a show like Teen Titans again, which the original YJ comics were like and we had been told that Dick would be Nightwing. But instead we got this which is still awesome. But a bit of a disappointment as well.

So I have a question about the Young Justice figures, I know the line is getting cancelled but are we still seeing some of the figures from Toy Fair like Batgirl? And is there a site that shows all the figures released for the line? I love the 6" Batman and Artemis, don't really like the Robin though, unsure which other figures came out. Did Cheshire come out? I really wanted her.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

You're a little confused here.

Heh, wouldn't be my first time!

I've had the hardest time catching reruns of this show to refresh the continuity in my brain. I guess I need to read more Wikis to get everything straight in my head. This is the kind of show I'd prefer to watch in large chunks on DVD, but the releases thus far have been pretty pathetic. I hope they're planning on at least releasing a "Season 1, Part 1" DVD to compliment the upcoming "Season 1, Part 2" set. (Man, that just sounds ridiculous in writing).

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

The Light consists of Ra's, Luthor, Vandal Savage, Klarion, The Brain, Queen Bee and Ocean Master. They've all teamed together to systematically destroy the Justice League. No mind control needed to get them to attend that party.

Yeah, it's definitely non-traditional to have almost all of the villain's working together, but it makes logical sense that they do since all the heroes work together. I personally chalk it up to the fact that The Light is just paying all their underling's very well, that's how they get nutcases like Joker and Poison Ivy to work for them.

Even then, there are still some standalone baddies in the continuity. Harm, The Terror Twins, and Clayface to name a few. As well as all the stuff that happens off-screen.

Ah, okay, that at least clears up a few things for me. I still just don't think that long term cooperation between such diverse villains makes sense. The DCAU episode "Injustice For All" was the best case study in what would probably happen when high-profile DC villains try to form their own team. Depravity breeds more depravity.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Heh, wouldn't be my first time!

I've had the hardest time catching reruns of this show to refresh the continuity in my brain. I guess I need to read more Wikis to get everything straight in my head. This is the kind of show I'd prefer to watch in large chunks on DVD, but the releases thus far have been pretty pathetic. I hope they're planning on at least releasing a "Season 1, Part 1" DVD to compliment the upcoming "Season 1, Part 2" set. (Man, that just sounds ridiculous in writing).

Yeah, it's pretty complex show. I have Comcast On-demand, so I've watched every episode several times.

They actually just released season 1 part 1: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o02_s01_i00

Ah, okay, that at least clears up a few things for me. I still just don't think that long term cooperation between such diverse villains makes sense.

I dunno. We'll see how it all plays out.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

They actually just released season 1 part 1: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o02_s01_i00

Ah, the infamous Warner Bros. 3-pack!

They've been doing a number of DVD releases like that recently.

[ToTheNines]

About that time-skip...

Spoiler:

Looks like my initial thinking of 1-2 years was way off... Seeing as how Dick was 13 in season 1 of YJ, this looks more like a 5 year jump. Cool.

Also, that means the Robin we've been seeing is either Jason or Tim. Please be Jason.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

About that time-skip...

Spoiler:

Looks like my initial thinking of 1-2 years was way off... Seeing as how Dick was 13 in season 1 of YJ, this looks more like a 5 year jump. Cool.

Also, that means the Robin we've been seeing is either Jason or Tim. Please be Jason.

Awesome! Cool pic, dude.

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

About that time-skip...

Spoiler:

Looks like my initial thinking of 1-2 years was way off... Seeing as how Dick was 13 in season 1 of YJ, this looks more like a 5 year jump. Cool.

Also, that means the Robin we've been seeing is either Jason or Tim. Please be Jason.

No. That image is from an episode set in the future (for YJ anyways). It's already been established that Robin is Dick Greyson on several occasions. In particular the recent Haley Circus episode.

Meanwhile.

Spoiler:

Take a gander at Beast Boy...

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

No. That image is from an episode set in the future (for YJ anyways). It's already been established that Robin is Dick Greyson on several occasions. In particular the recent Haley Circus episode.

Meanwhile.

Spoiler:

Take a gander at Beast Boy...

*facepalm* I'm a huge YJ fan, I know Robin was Dick in season 1 (I even said as much directly below the picture I posted...) What I'm saying is

Spoiler:

season 2 is going to take place ~5 years in the future and the Robin that we've been seeing in the previews for season 2 is probably Tim Drake. Further proof? Just look at that image of Beast Boy you posted, he's obviously a teen, but he was like 8 years old in "Image".

[ToTheNines]

This just in... Mae Whitman (the actress voicing April in the upcoming TMNT Nicktoon) will be voicing Wondergirl this season.

This makes me happy because I really don't care for Wondergirl otherwise.

[Raphael86]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

About that time-skip...

Spoiler:

Looks like my initial thinking of 1-2 years was way off... Seeing as how Dick was 13 in season 1 of YJ, this looks more like a 5 year jump. Cool.

Also, that means the Robin we've been seeing is either Jason or Tim. Please be Jason.

Amazing. I cannot wait!

Spoiler:

I hope Artemis is still around and hasn't become Tigress yet.

[Redeemer]

Im pretty dissapointed by the time advance, we only got one season of the team and now I am dissapointed.....oh well hope fully I will still enjoy Season 2

[ToTheNines]

So I was right about the 5 year time-skip. Not sure how I feel about it yet, just because this episode was jam-packed with a whole lot of "who? what? when? why?" moments for me.

Turns out I liked the Superboy x Miss Martian thing more than I realized, because MM and Lagoon Boy just didn't sit well with me. Always awesome to see Nightwing, and so far I like Tim Drake, which is cool because I never cared for him in the comics.

Anyone else pick up on Dick's line to Tim? "Just don't die"... any chance Jason Todd died in the 5 year gap?

No Aqualad... boo. I wish they would have revealed if that was still Barry as Flash. It's impossible to tell since his costume always resembled Wally's Flash costume from the start. Hopefully Barry died and Wally took over.

I need to rewatch and jot down all those new computer designation #'s, it sounds like there was a lot of new Team membership because I did remember that Tim was B20.

Overall, I'm excited to see the plot develop, but I think I'm always gonna miss the season 1 cast.

[Redeemer]

Just watched the new episode and I have to say I am dissapointed we barely even get a full season of this team and now its gone all to hell......

Spoiler:

I didn't even see Aqualad, kidflash in the episode, its five years into the future, not 2 and most of the team is with the league now. Superboy and Megan are now indifferent to say the least. Wonder girl and Batgirl were surprisingly good, I like the addition of the blue beetle, Beast boy bothers me though I dont like his voice, but its only bc I hear Teen Titans Beast Boy in the back of my mind....I also dont like the way Megan looks now its weird I dont mind how NightWing and the others look like I actually like the improvement. I need to see a few more Episodes, to see where it goes....

^Oh same here ^ I will miss the season 1 cast

[Cure]

Just keep mentioning you're "dissapointed". That'll change things.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Anyone else pick up on Dick's line to Tim? "Just don't die"... any chance Jason Todd died in the 5 year gap?

Yeah, I thought the same thing!

I think that Dick's voice kinda cracked a little when he said that line.

Hmm... any chance Young Justice is in continuity with Batman: Under the Red Hood?

EDIT: Eh, Probably not. That plot line would be a pretty epic flashback story, though.

[ToTheNines]

Right. UTRH Jason was Robin for a good while, and there was a 5 year time-jump in YJ, so that's not enough time. Plus a bunch of small things like Nightwing not recognizing Amazo, and Riddler being portrayed totally differently.

Now that I think about it, 5 years isn't really enough time for Young Justice to have their own spin on the "Death in the Family" thing. Seeing as how Dick was 13 and is now 18... he couldn't have been Nightwing that long, in turn meaning there's no way Tim has been Robin that long, in turn leaving no space for Jason to get adopted, train, become Robin, have a crimefighting career, then die.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Right. UTRH Jason was Robin for a good while, and there was a 5 year time-jump in YJ, so that's not enough time. Plus a bunch of small things like Nightwing not recognizing Amazo, and Riddler being portrayed totally differently.

Now that I think about it, 5 years isn't really enough time for Young Justice to have their own spin on the "Death in the Family" thing. Seeing as how Dick was 13 and is now 18... he couldn't have been Nightwing that long, in turn meaning there's no way Tim has been Robin that long, in turn leaving no space for Jason to get adopted, train, become Robin, have a crimefighting career, then die.

Well, DC always has their "Hypertime" theory, right?

[ZariusTwo]

The New 52 have a similar gap between their past and present..five years approx, and there were supposed to have been several Robins in that timeframe too.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Well, DC always has their "Hypertime" theory, right?

Well this is a Weisman show. He operates with hard dates.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The New 52 have a similar gap between their past and present..five years approx, and there were supposed to have been several Robins in that timeframe too.

Yeah, but like I said, Dick aged from 13 to 18 so it would seem that he hasn't been Nightwing for very long. Plus Jason dying looses a lot of meaning if he's only been Robin for a short time and then Tim steps in almost immediately afterwards. There should be a good amount of build up to both his death and his eventual replacement.

And as awesome as Red Hood is, this season's dealing with multiple alien races attacking Earth, I don't think they need to cram the drama of a resurrected Jason Todd to go along with all that. Plus Speedy's still missing, Artemis and Aqualad's allegiances are in question, and The Light is still out there.