donny Just flipped a car...Im treating this movie as a cartoon from now on.

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

I mean, why stop there? Katanas, what a lame weapon, chainsaw katanas, now we are talking. Raph's Sais shoot lasers now, ofcourse! Throw a couple of machineguns on that bo staff of Donnies, Mikey can keep nunchacks, because those are awesome...

This would only be a nitpick if Donnie wasn't known for being inventive. But that's his character so I don't see the issue.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Kind of like Hawkeye's bow in The Avengers. A push of the button gave him multiple choice arrow tips to choose from.

YES!!! That's what im talking about
Id love it.. but that would probably be a bit gory lol

[Sighphi]

Originally Posted by Slap-Happy

All of the Transformers movies are kids movies too. Think about the subject matter.

The subject matter has nothing to do with the presentation which is the point.

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Kids go see standard M. Bay films all the time.. even though this isn't one lol..
Fortunately this movie with pull in kids/teenagers and adults ranging from 19-40's.

Kids can actually go see rated R movies as long as there is a parent.
That doesnt mean those movies are for kids.

Originally Posted by UGHShellshocked

And we all watched as The Turtles were launched in the air flying up into the sky in the late 80s animated series.

http://media.giphy.com/media/M87vuD6OrpO6s/giphy.gif

The only far fetched thing in this is the fact that April is driving.

This is why i am saying that i am treating this movie like a cartoon now.
They are doing this type of stuff.

[Leolead]

They need to release that darn trailer! and that way we'll be able to see what's happening more!

[IndigoErth]

You'll see all of what's happening more in several weeks.

[Leolead]

But why did they take down the bootleg version? if they won't release the official one?

[xChri5x]

Originally Posted by Leolead

But why did they take down the bootleg version? if they won't release the official one?

They don't want to lose out on ad revenue when they do decide to publish it online. They could also have a deal with another company to premiere it exclusively on that company's website.

[Cure]

I don't mind or question when movies do crazy and unrealistic things, because they are just that, movies. I welcome the insanity.

[slingtheory]

Ok ill say this. I can buy the staff causing the thing to lose control because its jacked up suddenly on one side or even tip over completely but doesn't it go flying over his head? I watch a lot of comicbook movies and yes suspension of disbelief is required but the good ones usually don't break the rules of reality without some kind of in universe justification. if donnies bo turns out to be made of some kind of unbreakable super metal then cool launch all the motor vehicles you want. If not and its just an average ordinary retractable staff then having the force from that stick have that kind of effect on that jeep/truck is just giving physics the finger.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I'll give you that. Superman is definitely not an underdog. But we always know the hero is going to win.

If that is your preference is scale, that is your preference.

I just mean that Superman is a unique kind of hero. It's not about whether he can beat the other guy, it's about what he chooses to do with tremendous power. They say absolute power corrupts absolutely, but Superman still believes in freedom and justice. He's humble and kind. It's like, if one man can have all that power and still be good, then there's that much more reason to have hope in humanity. He can't be that with less power.

Okay, with that explanation, I can see some appeal. I suppose it just isn't my cup of tea.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Sighphi

Kids can actually go see rated R movies as long as there is a parent.
That doesnt mean those movies are for kids.



This is why i am saying that i am treating this movie like a cartoon now.
They are doing this type of stuff.

Are you really debating that this movie.. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.. isn't a kids movie also?

Ok.. so do you treat every CBM as a cartoon?
I find it a little ironic that in one sentence you state that you are treating this film as a "cartoon" and then in the next sentence you claim it not to be a kids film.

It's has been said by people working on this movie that " kids are a different animal today "
and that they could get away with making a little more of an edgy TMNT film than way back when.

Remember what Andre Nemec said during an interview?

What would you say is the age range for this one? How young an audience can appreciate it?
Nemec: Not having children, a child between the age of three and 16 is pretty much all the same to me. (Laughs) I really don't know. I do think that the kids that go to see "Transformers" and the kids that go to the big comic book movies will really enjoy it. There's nothing sort of overtly gross or offending in our material. The canon can, again, be quite irreverent at times in some of its forms, but we didn't make it gross. I mean gross by 12-year old standards

Why are we even debating this?

Edit: Just an honest question ok.. Why.. if this thread was moved from this area.. did you post it twice? Was there a reason why you HAD to have it in here? Just wondering

Originally Posted by slingtheory

I watch a lot of comicbook movies and yes suspension of disbelief is required but the good ones usually don't break the rules of reality without some kind of in universe justification.

The "good ones" is purely observational. But that aside.. Whether it be the Avengers, Spiderman, Superman, Hellboy, X-men, Batman.. imo these are great movies.
But I don't understand how anyone can say that " Donnies Bo flipping an SUV" is "breaking the rules" and that these other CB films haven't with their Characters.

I don't understand the need for the poking and prodding when it comes to these things. It's a CBM.. These things make films more enjoyable if people would just leave the skepticism/cynicism at the door and just enjoy it for what it is.. a movie. It's nice to just let go of reality and allow yourself to be sucked into another world.. I don't think that scene was tooo outrageous. But that's me.. It's one thing to just.. not like it.. not everyone has to like everything.. When it comes to myself.. Scenes like the Hummer scene and the shot with Donnie are very cool. Considering this being a CBM.. To look at something like that and say " that wouldn't happen in real life" is just missing the entire point. In my opinion. I guess it's just about preference.. what you want and don't want in a movie.. But I'm not going to pretend that what I see in other CBM's is justified or any less improbable than the scene with Donnie.. just me

[Jester]

Comic book movies have varying degrees of "reality". A film like Superman is miles away more fantastic and full of more super-powered feats then say a Batman or a Kick-Ass movie. The Turtles have always been, despite the extreme craziness of their origins, portrayed as characters who have no super powers, just a decade and a half of martial arts training. That's part of what makes them appeal to a lot of people.

It'd be like taking Superman and striping him of all his powers. Those are what makes him Superman and what fans are often looking for.

[Sighphi]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Are you really debating that this movie.. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.. isn't a kids movie also?

Ok.. so do you treat every CBM as a cartoon?
I find it a little ironic that in one sentence you state that you are treating this film as a "cartoon" and then in the next sentence you claim it not to be a kids film.

Saying cartoon does not automatically mean that it's meant for kids.

It's has been said by people working on this movie that " kids are a different animal today "
and that they could get away with making a little more of an edgy TMNT film than way back when.

Remember what Andre Nemec said during an interview?



Why are we even debating this?

Yes because one of the people of the movie is going to actually go out there a limit the potential viewing audience. He would get fired on the spot.

BTW, a kids movie and a movie that is ok for kids are two different things.

The viewing audience for Transformer was straight up teenagers, that movie had its goofy stupid crap but it was in no way a movie for kids. Kids could see it because there werent that many serious things but that was not the target audience.

And , based on what we are looking at now, this movie seems to follow the same tone.

Edit: Just an honest question ok.. Why.. if this thread was moved from this area.. did you post it twice? Was there a reason why you HAD to have it in here? Just wondering

Huh? All i know is that my thread was merged with another and i have been posting here since it was. I dont know how the board works, i am not a mod. You are going to have to ask a mod on why this is happening.

I dont know why my original thread which has "moved" in front keeps updating based on this thread. I just noticed this from what you posted.

[Jester]

The threads were merged because they were a similar subject, with a redirect left on the page. It'll die in a week.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Jester

Comic book movies have varying degrees of "reality". A film like Superman is miles away more fantastic and full of more super-powered feats then say a Batman or a Kick-Ass movie. The Turtles have always been, despite the extreme craziness of their origins, portrayed as characters who have no super powers, just a decade and a half of martial arts training. That's part of what makes them appeal to a lot of people.

It'd be like taking Superman and striping him of all his powers. Those are what makes him Superman and what fans are often looking for.

I understand.. but to claim what is right or wrong for TMNT? to dictate what direction the franchise should head in for everyone else? I understand that some dislike what they've done.. but to say it's wrong for TMNT or that it has no basis in TMNT or that this is all change for the sake of change 2 months before the movie comes out? It's a bit premature imo. Just bc someone has a preference doesn't make it " right or wrong " for a new modern day reboot of a live action trilogy. Well let the success or failure of this film make that determination. And they still don't have "super powers". Maybe there is a reason why they're stronger than before. I don't think it's totally crazy to make a mutant turtle ninja stronger than a human being but that's me. This is why I sometimes suggest " waiting to see the movie ". I'm not telling anyone to " not speculate " about the film.. But a lot of the things being said aren't speculation.. they're blanket statements about things that need context to make a solid judgment on, without context it becomes a prejudgment imo. Context is very important. Donnie has ALWAYS had gadgets.. he used a mechanism on his bo staff. Something that in 2014 shouldn't be that much of a stretch let alone for a CBM. Sometimes I wonder if they would have done some crazy things with the 1990 film if they had the tech. Eastman talked about that in regards to this film.. he's been able to do a lot of things that they weren't able to do before. Bc of the technology and big budget.
It is simply to early to say that these turtles wont know martial arts or wont be ninjas.
Even though we've seen short shots of them using martial arts. Megan Fox calls them Ninjas in that short line. So it's all speculation really.. at this point. Imo.. I think they will be ninjas.. I think they will be teenagers, I think that they will be mutants, and they are OBVIOUSLY turtles. To me.. that's what matters. I think they will fight better than they ever have, and that the fight scenes will be more technical, more intense than ever. The special effects 20 years later give them the ability to do more. So I think everything that made them what they are will be included.. their personalities and capabilities. They are not trying to make the 1990 movie again. This is a different interpretation. It's a new telling of the story. Something fresh. If it's done well.. and becomes very successful, growing the franchise while bringing in a whole new wave of fans, then I take that as a good thing. it's about what's good for the franchise , and right now it's to early to tell

Originally Posted by Sighphi

Yes because one of the people of the movie is going to actually go out there a limit the potential viewing audience. He would get fired on the spot.

BTW, a kids movie and a movie that is ok for kids are two different things.

The viewing audience for Transformer was straight up teenagers, that movie had its goofy stupid crap but it was in no way a movie for kids. Kids could see it because there werent that many serious things but that was not the target audience.

And , based on what we are looking at now, this movie seems to follow the same tone.

I swear lol.. One minute some of you are claiming that this film will not be edgy or gritty bc of the "Nickelodeon" heading and now I'm reading that it wont be for kids.. at all.

Are you suggesting that kids aren't apart of the "target audience"? Why are you splitting hairs with such an obvious observation? Transformers didn't have preteens "KIDS" in the audience? Are you kidding me? I saw LOTS of kids when seeing Transformers.. every single film.You're coming out and saying that this isn't a kids film.. contradicting what the film makers and people involved have said. It was obviously MADE for kids, AND for the older generation of TMNT fans. WILL IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN? How can you say for sure that is isn't? and no you cant make that judgment based on a 90 second trailer. In which I saw nothing inappropriate for kids to see. It's been said that this film was made partially for a whole new generation of fans. With the new Nick toon and this being a Nickelodeon film I'm not going to call anyone a liar either. This movie was obviously made for a wide range of ages. When I go see it in theatres I'm sure ill see lots of kids, probably all huge fans of the Nick toon. They know that this is a huge demographic that they need to pull in.

I cant believe this is even being disputed..

[UGHShellshocked]

What if each of them take a car out while they are sliding down the hill? Raph gets launched into one, Donnie uses his modified bo and we just have to wait to see what the other two are doing.

[Sighphi]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

I swear lol.. One minute some of you are claiming that this film will not be edgy or gritty bc of the "Nickelodeon" heading and now I'm reading that it wont be for kids.. at all.

Never said anything of the sort.
You must be confusing me with some one else.

Are you suggesting that kids aren't apart of the "target audience"?

Yeah, from what we see this seems like a standard PG-13 flick is more leaning towards an older crowd.

Why are you splitting hairs with such an obvious observation?

I'm not splitting hairs i am making a point.
A kids movie and a movie can kids can see are not the same thing.

Transformers didn't have preteens "KIDS" in the audience?
Are you kidding me? I saw LOTS of kids when seeing Transformers.. every single film.

Of course it did, it's a movie that can bee seen by kids.

You're coming out and saying that this isn't a kids film.. contradicting what the film makers and people involved have said. It was obviously MADE for kids, AND for the older generation of TMNT fans. WILL IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN? How can you say for sure that is isn't?

Did the film makes say it's a kids film?
Or did they say this film can be seen by kids?
Cause that quote you use the dude is clearly saying that this film will be fine for kids. Not that it will be a kids movie.

and no you cant make that judgment based on a 90 second trailer. In which I saw nothing inappropriate for kids to see. It's been said that this film was made partially for a whole new generation of fans. With the new Nick toon and this being a Nickelodeon film I'm not going to call anyone a liar either. This movie was obviously made for a wide range of ages. When I go see it in theatres I'm sure ill see lots of kids, probably all huge fans of the Nick toon. They know that this is a huge demographic that they need to pull in.

I cant believe this is even being disputed..

I dont know what you think it's being disputed.
All i said is that this was going to be the standard PG-13 action movie and for some reason that was seen as problematic.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

That's exactly what I'm talking about. We wouldn't question this stuff in a cartoon, or a comic book. But there's something about shooting something with a camera that makes everyone say, "They had better explain this, because it needs to make sense."

It's just like how people can't accept a dramatic, mature story if it's animated. Animation can only be for kids. It just doesn't make sense to me.

That's because cartoons and comics have more time to explain where the wacky stuff came from. The 2k3 tmnt didn't have random people using blasters until after the triceraton invasion and they didn't add future tech to their lair after their trip to the future. But there are entire episodes and seasons to explain where all this came from. For all the wacky stuff Marvel and DC does there's always some past issue or story arc to explain it and then it continues to get expanded upon. It has some sort of explanation within that world...and even then The rest of the world continues to function the way our world does to make the weird stuff stand out.


I doubt the movie is gonna explain where Don got the bo (or the strength) to flip a truck. Nor should he. Just like raph shouldn't be able to slam into a Humvee without getting knocked the hell out.

The turtles never had super strength either. And that argument about being able to do more now than what they could in the 90s is bs. They could do way more in the current batman movies than they could in the Burton era and they didn't make Batman fight with a life saber just because 'they can'.


Honestly I think you people try too hard to defend this. There's being a fan and then there's extreme blind devotion. And don't give me that crisp about we haven't seen the movie yet. LOTS of movies have trailers that you can already tell the movie is gonna suck based on what is shown. And there aren't legions of people desperately trying to explain away why the trailer clearly shows. It's like a transformers movie where Prime was a jet instead of a truck. The trailer will clearly show prime as a jet. And the lot of you will be explaining away or making wacky half-assed theories on how somehow the trailer is wrong and he'll still be a truck all along.

Just like all the wacky Oroku Saki is not a renamed Eric Sachs theories.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Cure

I don't mind or question when movies do crazy and unrealistic things, because they are just that, movies. I welcome the insanity.

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The turtles never had super strength either.

Wow. You've never seen anything TMNT-related in your life then...

Or you just happened to once again be completely oblivious to certain things like Raph twirling and throwing a mutated rhinoceros (that was meant to be the more realistic version of the original series mind you) or countless times where the Turtles sent people literally flying by a single kick or punch in the 2K3 & 2012 Series.