Tragic Shooting In Orlando

[Cure]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

People often equate tolerance of a thing to approval or support of a thing. That isn't the case.

I like the things I like, and for the most part I tolerate the things I don't.

Oh for sure. Lord and savior Jesus Christ knows I dislike many, MANY people here. But I tolerate them.

[CyberCubed]

This thread really needs to be locked.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Cure

Oh for sure. Lord and savior Jesus Christ knows I dislike many, MANY people here. But I tolerate them.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

People often equate tolerance of a thing to approval or support of a thing. That isn't the case.

I like the things I like, and for the most part I tolerate the things I don't.

Originally Posted by Cure

Tolerance means accepting people no matter what their religion or lack thereof, sexual orientation, race, gender, status, or anything is. Seems a lot of people in the world, Technodrome Forums included, have forgotten that. Sad times all around.

You people are so damn sensible. I think I'll sit over here with you for this thread, if that's okay...

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This thread really needs to be locked.

Long time no see, catchphrase! But seriously, seconded. From the moment I saw this thread I knew it would just completely go off the rails one way or another.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This thread really needs to be locked.

Shut up simpleton. Go masturbate.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

People often equate tolerance of a thing to approval or support of a thing. That isn't the case.

I like the things I like, and for the most part I tolerate the things I don't.

Hit it right on the nail, I've found myself guilty of this from time to time. You get so caught up in a cause or stance that you firmly believe that you forget there's a human being on the other side of the conversation.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I want to appologize to the Mods for this rant, I'll try to sensor myself

I just wanna say my heart goes out to all the families and friends of all the victoms in this horrible and tragic situation. to those who condone this, to hell with all of you, to the person who did this, rot you piece of sh*t! to his retarded wife, who knew what he was going to to, and went with him to help him purchase the weapons and ammo and did nothing to try to stop him, you can go to hell and rot along with your husband you stupid idiot!

bottom line, no matter how one feels, this was a senseless act of hatred, terrism and completely an utterly discusting! this is 2016 for f*cksake people! pull your god forsaken collective heads outta your a$$holes and wake the f*ck up to the world around you! THERE IS NO NEED FOR THINGS LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN!!!!

guns may not kill people but people with guns kill other people! the sooner people wake up and put a stop to all the gun violence the better! the US government needs to see and learn from Canada when it comes to gun control! that being said, i know that our system up here ain't perfect, and im not niave to the fact that yes it has flaws, but it's a heck of alot better than what the US has

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

But hey, I'm sure the fact that the guy was a closet case in a culture where f*gs are considered to be less than human had absolutely nothing to do with it.

And that culture is Florida.

So.... are you insinuating that the Floridan culture is to blame rather than the individual himself? Because there are many others individuals throughout the world who experience far greater criticism and harsher oppression for their beliefs, and yet don't commit mass murder.

[Commenter 42]

Canada doesn't have gun control.

@Netkeeper- I don't just have a problem with Islam; It's the belief in any and all supernatural nonsense. I feel it's a problem that should be solved.

I don't have a problem with the people. It's not a racial prejudice, just to be abundantly clear. I shouldn't have to spell it out, but with you, I can't be sure anymore.

I don't see the problem with education over superstition. I also don't care if you do. Ignorance shouldn't be tolerated "just because".
Tolerance supposes dislike and disdain, but a begrudging attitude we should adopt to keep the peace.
Hardly a rational solution. I believe in challenging the status quo, not group think.

@Plastron I've never insulted your gender, or your sexuality, but thanks once again for vilifying something you supposedly "tolerate". Good work.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

So.... are you insinuating that the Floridan culture is to blame rather than the individual himself? Because there are many others individuals throughout the world who experience far greater criticism and harsher oppression for their beliefs, and yet don't commit mass murder.

Why not both?

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

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Just curious, but how do you reconcile you SJC with, oh I don't know, this:

http://cdn-img.essence.com/sites/def...ka-ban-300.jpg

I'm not mocking, just wondering.

Love the URL, seems the person who posted the picture doesn't know the difference between a burka and niqab, which right there says a lot.

Women wearing what they want to wear when they want to wear it reconciles really neatly with my SJC.
Thanks for the softball question.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

@Plastron I've never insulted your gender, or your sexuality, but thanks once again for vilifying something you supposedly "tolerate". Good work.

I never said you did.
Not everything is about you.
Unless you're every anti-theist I've ever spoken to online, in which case...seriously, go out and touch some grass for a while.

I don't supposedly tolerate anti-theism, I actually tolerate it.
I'd have more sympathy for it as a 'movement' if it didn't give me so much contact embarrassment.

[Electric]

Hold on Commenter. Freedom of religion is a constitutional right.
If you're all for throwing it out because you don't think people should be allowed to "just because"
What on earth makes you think people should have assault rifles, "just because"

There's no reason for them

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Why not both?

I would simply disagree with that and say that the responsibility falls on the perpetrator himself in this case.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

I would simply disagree with that and say that the responsibility falls on the perpetrator himself in this case.

If that makes you feel better, go with it.
However, I think you're doing the situation a great injustice by negating the context which lead to this event in the first place.

This guy didn't come from nowhere. He didn't just appear out of thin air with absolutely no extenuating circumstances in his wake. He didn't just become homophobic on his own.

[Jephael]

Such a scary world we live in these days. Times like this I wish the fictional characters we all come here to talk about were real.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

If that makes you feel better, go with it.
However, I think you're doing the situation a great injustice by negating the context which lead to this event in the first place.

This guy didn't come from nowhere. He didn't just appear out of thin air with absolutely no extenuating circumstances in his wake. He didn't just become homophobic on his own.

Could you elaborate?

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Electric

Hold on Commenter. Freedom of religion is a constitutional right.
If you're all for throwing it out because you don't think people should be allowed to "just because"
What on earth makes you think people should have assault rifles, "just because"

There's no reason for them

Where did I argue for people to have assault riffles? Why is that your argument?

Arguing for the first amendment, while wanting to overturn the second seems, well, kind of odd.

But if you can play that game, I guess I can too? Keep the guns, ban religion.

There. I'll counter your flawed argument with a mirrored version.

Lets now solve for x.

[plastroncafe]

Elaborate? On which part?
That we are, all of us, products of our environment?
Yes, ultimately responsible for our own actions and deeds, but by foisting all of the blame on this guy we allow the instigators of his actions to walk free.

There are news outlets that are purposely not mentioning that this was an attack on a gay bar. An attack on a gay bar during Pride.
The closest equivalent I can think of is attacking a church during Holy Week.

Why leave something like that out?
Oh right, because then people might have to actually come to grip with the fact that gay people are people. People who can be fired because of who they go home to at the end of the work day. People who can be denied custody of children. People who can be denied next of kin rights.

People who some people choose not to see as people.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Elaborate? On which part?
That we are, all of us, products of our environment?
Yes, ultimately responsible for our own actions and deeds, but by foisting all of the blame on this guy we allow the instigators of his actions to walk free.

There are news outlets that are purposely not mentioning that this was an attack on a gay bar. An attack on a gay bar during Pride.
The closest equivalent I can think of is attacking a church during Holy Week.

Why leave something like that out?
Oh right, because then people might have to actually come to grip with the fact that gay people are people. People who can be fired because of who they go home to at the end of the work day. People who can be denied custody of children. People who can be denied next of kin rights.

People who some people choose not to see as people.

I love that I was arguing this, and yet, when you add "religion" you get equally defensive.

Which is it Plastron? You can't defend both positions.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

@Netkeeper- I don't just have a problem with Islam; It's the belief in any and all supernatural nonsense. I feel it's a problem that should be solved.

I don't have a problem with the people. It's not a racial prejudice, just to be abundantly clear. I shouldn't have to spell it out, but with you, I can't be sure anymore.

I don't see the problem with education over superstition. I also don't care if you do. Ignorance shouldn't be tolerated "just because".
Tolerance supposes dislike and disdain, but a begrudging attitude we should adopt to keep the peace.
Hardly a rational solution. I believe in challenging the status quo, not group think.

Hold on hold up. Guy.

Don't try and ignore that I pointed out that you basically told an out gay dude that they'll come for me. In this particular thread.

I'm not gonna even engage anything else you have to say, because really, man? Have some class.