Henry Cavill again out as DCEU's Superman (formerly "exits" then "returns") - Page 8

~~Leo656~~ · 06-02-2022, 04:27 AM

No way the universe loves me THAT much.

Even if it doesn't happen... so long as Coates's Black Superman thing gets thrown in the dumpster I'll still be happy.

superstaff · 06-02-2022, 04:41 AM

I like Cavill, I really do.

But WB/DC has no idea what they're doing. It's so obvious. The fact they even entertained the Coates version is proof of that. But furthermore, they first wanted a DCEU headed by Snyder. When it didn't make the numbers they wanted, they dumped him. They 'course corrected' with Josstice League, and that failed. Then they tried to save face by going, "Welp, we're gonna make movies with no continuity ties!" Then we get Joker and The Batman. Then they said they wanted to do stuff with Keaton's Batman with the DCEU. Now they are going back to the Snyder well...for now. They don't know what they're doing, they keep chasing their tails like hopeless little puppies except it's not cute.

Will they still want to do the DCEU stuff when Flashpoint (or whatever it's going to be called) inevitably underperforms? What will they do then?

~~Leo656~~ · 06-02-2022, 04:49 AM

YOU... were s'posed to go to bed, my dear.

superstaff · 06-02-2022, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

YOU... were s'posed to go to bed, my dear.

Ah, no, no. I had stuff to do, not go to sleep.

Also! I hate WB (and basically all major studios nowadays). I like typing out the whys.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-02-2022, 05:10 AM

Don't we all.

WB has been a behind-the-scenes sh*tshow for longer than most people know. Almost every good movie they've ever made, in reading about it (I do a LOT of reading about behind-the-scenes stuff in movies) there's always some section where it says "The film had a troubled production..." and then a million really stupid things that happened that almost ruined everything.

Everything from Batman '89 to Beetlejuice right up to today was basically saved in the editing room. Like, a shocking amount of their stuff was on the razor's edge and owes everything to whoever did the final edit.

And Lord, I know a lot of people found BvS "questionable", but I've seen and read a lot about what WB actually wanted to be in that movie, and all I can say is that even if a person hates it, they owe Zack Snyder and Chris Terrio a bunch of hugs and kisses for "Nope'ing" WB on all their little "notes". Because they wanted a VERY different (and much, MUCH darker and more violent) movie.

Like for example, the desert scene in the beginning. Imagine the Terrorist Warlord punching Lois in the face, Superman swooping in, nuking the guy with his heat vision, turning around and murdering all the OTHER terrorists with his heat vision, then flying off to have a romantic moment with Lois.

WB wanted the movie (after the flashback) to start with That Scene. They actually expected it to be a "stand up and cheer" moment for the audience. Superman murdering a bunch of people after watching his girlfriend get punched in the face.

Zack and Chris were like, "...So what if he DOESN'T do that? But maybe Lex FRAMES him and SAYS he did that... because y'know, we don't think Superman needs to be lasering people to death, we kinda need audiences to like this guy."

WB also wanted Batfleck to be a lot more explicitly murderous and Zack and Chris Nope'd on that as well.

People can dislike the final product if they must, but the script WB gave Zack and Chris to work from before they fixed it was so, so, SO much worse. Like legit, "Justice League" never even would've been an idea, had WB's version of BvS been made. It would have been a bloodbath.

Most "good movies" happen by accident. Especially WB movies. They sure don't come from the sh*tty ideas the studio forces directors and creatives to work from.

*drgon78* · 06-02-2022, 05:24 AM

Paramount hasn't done to much to make me angry but Disney and WB hasn't really stopped making me angry in recent years.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 06-02-2022, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

No way the universe loves me THAT much.

Even if it doesn't happen... so long as Coates's Black Superman thing gets thrown in the dumpster I'll still be happy.

Everyone deserves to come out unscathed once in a while.

That's what really matters to me. As someone whose black himself, I find it disingenuous to do a black Superman movie (let alone rumored to be Michael B. Jordan which is as much of a joke casting choice and Donald Glover

) for the sake of representation. Just do a Cyborg movie (with a different actor obviously) or a John Stewart Green Lantern movie.

And whether they get Cavill back or not, Superman needs another live action movie.

superstaff · 06-02-2022, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

WB has been a behind-the-scenes sh*tshow for longer than most people know. Almost every good movie they've ever made, in reading about it (I do a LOT of reading about behind-the-scenes stuff in movies) there's always some section where it says "The film had a troubled production..." and then a million really stupid things that happened that almost ruined everything.

Everything from Batman '89 to Beetlejuice right up to today was basically saved in the editing room. Like, a shocking amount of their stuff was on the razor's edge and owes everything to whoever did the final edit.

Yeah, I've also delved into WB's background, and listened to commentaries, and what not. It seems like there's a lot of truth said during that WB boardroom scene in Looney Tunes: Back in Action. They really are clueless morons who don't understand anything. Not just movies, but anything. Their good stuff is, indeed, happy accidents.

See, if they really did want a 'feel good', Reeve-esque Superman, I have no idea why they thought Zack Snyder would deliver that. I'm not saying he's a bad director, no. But his movies have a very specific feel to them, and Snyder excels at making things dark and edgy, not just tonally but also aesthetically. A Snyder Superman was never going to be soft and cuddly, or general audience friendly. I still remember the discourse on Watchmen, and most normies didn't 'get' what Snyder/Moore were trying to say with that story (and only cared about the obnoxious 'blue peen' memes).

It's like, they wanted their movies to have a different feel to them than Marvel's so they hired Snyder to spearhead the DCEU (I think Nolan was involved as EP for MoS, and made suggestions for that movie, but not beyond that, right?). They didn't understand his style of filmmaking, of course. Then they got spooked with MoS' numbers. So they dipped their hands into the cookie jar more and more and more. I may not like a lot of the DCEU, but damn WB for their cowardice, and not committing to what they seemingly wanted in the first place. They turned Josstice League into a MCU copycat mess that nearly everyone hated, then they've been acting like beheaded chickens since, not knowing what they want to do and throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. All they do know is that they want that sweet MCU cash.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-02-2022, 08:52 AM

Huge disconnect between what WB suits liked and thought general audiences would like. That's the simplest explanation.

Both Watchmen and BvS supposedly got standing ovations during closed-door screenings amongst WB executives, then didn't light things up with mainstream audiences at all. Which says that the people upstairs sincerely thought that what they were selling would actually do well, until it didn't. At which point, they panicked and didn't know WHAT to do, and just started flinging crap at the wall.

*Autbot_Benz* · 06-02-2022, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Zaslav has reportedly made the call to scrap all Superman film projects in the works at Warner and make a concerted effort to get Caville back.

https://www.supermanhomepage.com/rum...-henry-cavill/

If zaslav does this and cans JJ Abrams so his black John Constantine show never happens I will be a zaslav fan instantly

~~Leo656~~ · 06-02-2022, 10:23 AM

See, I can't see them doing this because Coates would probably sue for some kind of breach, and then scream "racism" all over the internet.

Does WB want to deal with that? That's the only thing. I'd love for it to be true I just don't know if it can be.

*Andrew NDB* · 06-02-2022, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

See, I can't see them doing this because Coates would probably sue for some kind of breach, and then scream "racism" all over the internet.

Does WB want to deal with that? That's the only thing. I'd love for it to be true I just don't know if it can be.

What would be the breach? I'm sure he got paid for his probably racist screenplay. There wouldn't be any guarantee a movie would be made.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-02-2022, 10:44 AM

Eh, I guess. I'm sure he'd come up with SOMEthing just to be a nuisance.

*Autbot_Benz* · 07-20-2022, 01:47 PM

Cavill will be at SDCC this year at Hall H with Warners

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It now seems that a significant update on Henry Cavill's Superman future is on the horizon. In an article from Deadline about what types of announcements could come during San Diego Comic-Con 2022, the outlet mentioned that there is buzz that the Man of Steel star will make a surprise appearance during the WB/DC Hall H panel on Saturday. The article notes that the surprise appearance will see Cavill tease attendees with more Superman appearances in the DCEU. This could mean an official announcement about Henry Cavill's Superman future is coming this weekend.

https://screenrant.com/superman-henr...campaign=SR-TW

*Andrew NDB* · 07-20-2022, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Cavill will be at SDCC this year at Hall H with Warners

https://screenrant.com/superman-henr...campaign=SR-TW

"Reportedly" it says. But reportedly by whom?

*Autbot_Benz* · 07-20-2022, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

"Reportedly" it says. But reportedly by whom?

Its from a deadline article

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Dwayne Johnson and the Warner Bros theatrical session will serve as Marvel’s opening act earlier in the day, with Black Adam and Shazam: Fury of the Gods getting their much-deserved closeups on the Hall H stage. There’s also buzz that Henry Cavill will put in a surprise appearance to talk up more Superman.

https://deadline.com/2022/07/comic-c...lf-1235072894/

*Andrew NDB* · 07-20-2022, 02:11 PM

Huh. Well there is only one reason Cavill would be at a WB presentation... so there's that.

*Autbot_Benz* · 07-23-2022, 01:49 PM

Deadline's Buzz rumor was BS Cavill did not show up at the WB Hall H. WB only showed Shazam and Black Adam for their DC stuff that's it.

*Andrew NDB* · 07-23-2022, 01:54 PM

If he doesn't pop up in something there in the next few hours that's that.

*IMJ* · 07-23-2022, 02:06 PM

Wow I was really hoping the rumor was true and we were getting MOS 2....

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06-02-2022, 04:27 AM	#141
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	No way the universe loves me THAT much. Even if it doesn't happen... so long as Coates's Black Superman thing gets thrown in the dumpster I'll still be happy.

06-02-2022, 04:41 AM	#142
superstaff Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: NJ Posts: 1,091	I like Cavill, I really do. But WB/DC has no idea what they're doing. It's so obvious. The fact they even entertained the Coates version is proof of that. But furthermore, they first wanted a DCEU headed by Snyder. When it didn't make the numbers they wanted, they dumped him. They 'course corrected' with Josstice League, and that failed. Then they tried to save face by going, "Welp, we're gonna make movies with no continuity ties!" Then we get Joker and The Batman. Then they said they wanted to do stuff with Keaton's Batman with the DCEU. Now they are going back to the Snyder well...for now. They don't know what they're doing, they keep chasing their tails like hopeless little puppies except it's not cute. Will they still want to do the DCEU stuff when Flashpoint (or whatever it's going to be called) inevitably underperforms? What will they do then?

06-02-2022, 04:49 AM	#143
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	YOU... were s'posed to go to bed, my dear.

06-02-2022, 05:10 AM	#145
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Don't we all. WB has been a behind-the-scenes shtshow for longer than most people know. Almost every good movie they've ever made, in reading about it (I do a LOT of reading about behind-the-scenes stuff in movies) there's always some section where it says "The film had a troubled production..." and then a million really stupid things that happened that almost ruined everything. Everything from Batman '89 to Beetlejuice right up to today was basically saved in the editing room. Like, a shocking amount of their stuff was on the razor's edge and owes everything to whoever did the final edit. And Lord, I know a lot of people found BvS "questionable", but I've seen and read a lot about what WB actually wanted to be in that movie, and all I can say is that even if a person hates it, they owe Zack Snyder and Chris Terrio a bunch of hugs and kisses for "Nope'ing" WB on all their little "notes". Because they wanted a VERY different (and much, MUCH darker and more violent) movie. Like for example, the desert scene in the beginning. Imagine the Terrorist Warlord punching Lois in the face, Superman swooping in, nuking the guy with his heat vision, turning around and murdering all the OTHER terrorists with his heat vision, then flying off to have a romantic moment with Lois. WB wanted the movie (after the flashback) to start with That Scene. They actually expected it to be a "stand up and cheer" moment for the audience. Superman murdering a bunch of people after watching his girlfriend get punched in the face. Zack and Chris were like, "...So what if he DOESN'T do that? But maybe Lex FRAMES him and SAYS he did that... because y'know, we don't think Superman needs to be lasering people to death, we kinda need audiences to like this guy." WB also wanted Batfleck to be a lot more explicitly murderous and Zack and Chris Nope'd on that as well. People can dislike the final product if they must, but the script WB gave Zack and Chris to work from before they fixed it was so, so, SO much worse. Like legit, "Justice League" never even would've been an idea, had WB's version of BvS been made. It would have been a bloodbath. Most "good movies" happen by accident. Especially WB movies. They sure don't come from the shtty ideas the studio forces directors and creatives to work from.

06-02-2022, 05:24 AM	#146
drgon78 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,409	Paramount hasn't done to much to make me angry but Disney and WB hasn't really stopped making me angry in recent years.

06-02-2022, 08:52 AM	#149
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Huge disconnect between what WB suits liked and thought general audiences would like. That's the simplest explanation. Both Watchmen and BvS supposedly got standing ovations during closed-door screenings amongst WB executives, then didn't light things up with mainstream audiences at all. Which says that the people upstairs sincerely thought that what they were selling would actually do well, until it didn't. At which point, they panicked and didn't know WHAT to do, and just started flinging crap at the wall.

06-02-2022, 10:23 AM	#151
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	See, I can't see them doing this because Coates would probably sue for some kind of breach, and then scream "racism" all over the internet. Does WB want to deal with that? That's the only thing. I'd love for it to be true I just don't know if it can be.

06-02-2022, 10:44 AM	#153
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Eh, I guess. I'm sure he'd come up with SOMEthing just to be a nuisance.