Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

W...why...
Are you even listening to yourself right now? Since when did you go from calling everyone degenerates to acting like a horny teenager?

Clearly you haven't seen the Supergirl thread

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Clearly you haven't seen the Supergirl thread

Huh, now that you mention it, I haven't.
One Minute Later...

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Well they have the actress in skimpy outfits, that's probably the only reason to watch. Nah, scratch that, I'll just watch youtube clips of the shows best moments and skip the rest.

For f*ck's sake...

[sdp]

Why "R" rated and not just "unrated"? I don't think Deadpool has anything to do with this, DC has already released R rated superhero movies before and they wouldn't have such a knee-jerk reaction to a film that just came out two weeks ago.

As for the whole DC vs Marvel, it is silly, I prefer DC but Marvel is pretty great too and enjoy both universes. Its logical that people are going to compare the two franchises though, that's perfectly fine but people pick their side like a political party or sports team. And I do think Marvel fanboys are just bad sports overall as seen in this thread. I'm personally tired of so many Marvel movies and if I come off as harsh to Marvel its probably because I get fed up by all the blind praise the company gets. In the end I'm happy Marvel is doing tons of movies for when I'm in the mood for some Marvel heroes again, but I'll definitely point out how formulaic they are when they're being praised as good cinema.

[chrisdude]

Doesn't seem too farfetched of a knee-jerk reaction, to me. They, of course, already have the footage. I figure the decision to release an R-rated version could easily have been in reaction to Deadpool's success. These are the guys who announced this movie, with no work to show for it, just after Man of Steel underperformed in the box office. Even Snyder was on record saying that the Batman easter eggs in Man of Steel were just animators having fun. I think this cinematic universe was Plan B, and they've been doing every damn thing on the fly.

[JTH]

For all people know it could be about blood. Blood has always been the immediate bump up in ratings for years.

90% of the superhero movies that come out today would be "R" rated if they used blood to go with the language and adult content.

Hell, the 1990 TMNT movie is proof in itself. Had language, violence, violence on women on top of that, but had no blood. Thus it kept a "PG" rating. Any blood in the 90' TMNT Movie, and it would never have been PG.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Doesn't seem too farfetched of a knee-jerk reaction, to me. They, of course, already have the footage. I figure the decision to release an R-rated version could easily have been in reaction to Deadpool's success. These are the guys who announced this movie, with no work to show for it, just after Man of Steel underperformed in the box office. Even Snyder was on record saying that the Batman easter eggs in Man of Steel were just animators having fun. I think this cinematic universe was Plan B, and they've been doing every damn thing on the fly.

Deadpool is a comedy movie more than anything else so its annoying to see how "Deadpool is making R relevant again". MoS underperformed to expectations however it still made a crapload of money, it wasn't a bomb, it made tons of money. It is true that because of how it performed they ramped up the DCExtended Universe or whatever the hell they're calling it this week. But it was obviously they were going for that route but they wanted to slowly built it and after realizing with Green Lantern and MoS it wasn't working the one off approach they changed up MoS2 to have Batman have a small scene in it and it all slowly evolved into what we have now. So yeah its been nearly a decade since Marvel announced their plans and DC is only catching up, if anything this points out that they're not very quick to react to trends.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by sdp

Deadpool is a comedy movie more than anything else so its annoying to see how "Deadpool is making R relevant again". MoS underperformed to expectations however it still made a crapload of money, it wasn't a bomb, it made tons of money. It is true that because of how it performed they ramped up the DCExtended Universe or whatever the hell they're calling it this week. But it was obviously they were going for that route but they wanted to slowly built it and after realizing with Green Lantern and MoS it wasn't working the one off approach they changed up MoS2 to have Batman have a small scene in it and it all slowly evolved into what we have now. So yeah its been nearly a decade since Marvel announced their plans and DC is only catching up, if anything this points out that they're not very quick to react to trends.

Man of Steel made lots of money, but it was half what The Avengers made, and a whole lot less than the Batman movies WB was coming off of. For what they spent on the movie and marketing, they surely planned to get a lot closer to a billion.

And I don't know of any obvious indications that they were going the route of a connected universe before the day MoS released. The Dark Knight Trilogy was doing great while the Marvel universe was being built, and Man of Steel was already filmed by the time The Avengers destroyed the box office.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Man of Steel made lots of money, but it was half what The Avengers made, and a whole lot less than the Batman movies WB was coming off of. For what they spent on the movie and marketing, they surely planned to get a lot closer to a billion.

And I don't know of any obvious indications that they were going the route of a connected universe before the day MoS released. The Dark Knight Trilogy was doing great while the Marvel universe was being built, and Man of Steel was already filmed by the time The Avengers destroyed the box office.

That's exactly what I said, it underperformed expectations. DC was constantly asked about them making their crossover movies and they always dismissed it as we're taking our approach and see what works. Basically not saying they were doing it but not saying they weren't going to do it, it was obvious they just didn't know what to do but they wanted a piece of that pie. We'll never really know unless someone spoke about it which likely won't happen but I think the signs pointed to them wanting to do their own DCU movie verse slowly but after GL and Superman disappointed they took a different approach which took 3 years.. The point of all this though is the R rating is purely coincidental they didn't just decide that because 2 weeks earlier Deadpool did good numbers at the boxoffice.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by sdp

Why "R" rated and not just "unrated"? I don't think Deadpool has anything to do with this, DC has already released R rated superhero movies before and they wouldn't have such a knee-jerk reaction to a film that just came out two weeks ago.

Because right now having an R rating is the big buzz. I mean, it could be coincidence, but releasing this information so soon after Deadpool's success? Right after Fox announces that another one of their movies(Wolverine) will also be rated R? It's marketing, guys. Capitalizing on what's working in the moment to get people hyped. They aren't wrong to do so, it's their job. But to say Studio A succeeds at making X, and two weeks later Studio B announce their plans for making X as well... You can't help but feel it's just not really just coincidence as it is capitalization.

If I had to guess, I have a feeling when we see this "R-Rated" BvS cut we're not going to feel like the rating is warranted.

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I think this cinematic universe was Plan B, and they've been doing every damn thing on the fly.

Methinkso, too. Ever since Snyder went on record saying he hadn't discussed any potential sequel plans until after MoS was released, this whole thing feels off the hip. Nothing about this movie feels like it isn't a direct response to the criticism of the first film. This is just a movie about course correction, and trying to play up that all the mistakes in the first movie were part of some grand plan. I'm not buying it.

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Just as a side, I've committed to making a video breakdown on my thoughts on Man of Steel. I tried looking online for videos that have already addressed the issues I have with it but haven't had any luck finding any. At 57 minutes into the movie, I have 22 pages of critique :/ This is going to be a bigger project than I thought... When I'm done putting it together, I'll post it here. But if I had to guess, this video is going to be over an hour long in length

[NinjaPug]

I think people are overthinking this. WB also released an R rated version of the final Hobbit movie last year. Plus the MPAA rating site said the R rating was given on 9/30/2015. Don't think Deadpool's success has anything to do with it.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm still in contact with Leo over on Facebook, he said there were supposedly some vicious flashbacks in the movie that might have warranted this rating.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Just as a side, I've committed to making a video breakdown on my thoughts on Man of Steel. I tried looking online for videos that have already addressed the issues I have with it but haven't had any luck finding any. At 57 minutes into the movie, I have 22 pages of critique :/ This is going to be a bigger project than I thought... When I'm done putting it together, I'll post it here. But if I had to guess, this video is going to be over an hour long in length

Then you should definitely try and get it down to less than 30 minutes...cinema sins is rarely over 20 ... Then again, claiming you have more than an hour of critiques for MOS could help you go viral.

I totally agree that MOS is 80% er...wrong, so I'm not surprised at the 22pages, frankly.

Get it done man!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

Unlike Marvel that's been sh*tting out mediocre movies non-stop.
Jesus Christ. The only reason people will get sick of superhero movies is because Marvel is pooping them out at lightspeed.

And that is why they have been performing SO WELL at the box office, right? Obviously most fans and/or movie goers don't consider them mediocre.

As for the speed they've been getting them out would you prefer they use DC's snail pace? At that rate they would end up having to change actors two or three times just because they would age too much in between! It's just common sense to try to make the most of the actors.

[Commenter 42]

You see, this is exactly the kind of thing that makes me loath Affleck.

Ben Affleck Rewrote Parts Of The BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE Script While In The Batsuit


The guy's ego is so GD big. Maybe this really is who Batman would be IRL, I don't know; but if so, I hope he get's smacked around, a lot.

[Candy Kappa]

Maybe there's something to Reynold's joke about Affleck getting tasered for trying to take a suit home. He's wearing it all the time at work, and the film crew don't dare to think what happens if he wears it outside of the studio.

[ProactiveMan]

If I were him, it would be hard to get me out of it too.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

You see, this is exactly the kind of thing that makes me loath Affleck. The guy's ego is so GD big.

That may be the case, but I'll take Ben's creative hands on the movie over anyone else thats involved.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Then you should definitely try and get it down to less than 30 minutes...cinema sins is rarely over 20 ... Then again, claiming you have more than an hour of critiques for MOS could help you go viral.

I totally agree that MOS is 80% er...wrong, so I'm not surprised at the 22pages, frankly.

Get it done man!

Not really my intention to go viral... Like I said, I was just surprised that nobody has addressed most the issues I've noticed. Most people seem to be fixated on the fact its not their idea of Superman or Jonathan Kent projected on the screen, without actually addressing how nothing in the script makes a damn lick of sense.

33 pages in... they just started fighting in Smallville

[Shark_Blade]

Man of Steel is so boring tbh... but I'm really glad Superman killed that villain at the end. No more of this boy scout naivety with Supes. You just remove bad scum off permanently, that's how you do things right.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Man of Steel is so boring tbh... but I'm really glad Superman killed that villain at the end. No more of this boy scout naivety with Supes. You just remove bad scum off permanently, that's how you do things right.

Congratulations. You are not a Superman fan.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Krutch

without actually addressing how nothing in the script makes a damn lick of sense.

I think I'm in love...

As for Affleck, yeah, sure, fine, he might be better than Goyer, but as you're 33 pages will attest, a toddler might craft a better story.

My point, is that it's bad form to come on a show and throw your weight around like that, let alone do it while in a ****ing Batman costume.

So the oscar winning writer wasn't sufficient?

Guy is a clown. If I were in that situation, and the script was in dire need of rewrites, and the director had asked for my imput, the last thing I would do while promoting the film, would be to leak it to the press. It's bad form. The people who need to know, already do. That's enough.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Congratulations. You are not a Superman fan.

He's not even a proper troll. Obvious kid is obvious.

EDIT:

Everyone's been saying it, but it's a nice read none the less:

http://nerdist.com/deadpools-success...er-not-raunch/