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[boywonder26]

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

I don't believe he's been seen or mentioned since TMNT #21.

That's what I had noticed,I was just wondering if anyone on here knew what had happen to him..I know some of the writers are on here

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by boywonder26

That's what I had noticed,I was just wondering if anyone on here knew what had happen to him..I know some of the writers are on here

I would try to send them a pm If it really is bothering you. Bobby Cornrow or Tom Waltz could answer you or maybe even some the artist would know.

[wilddiverse]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

That's why I am asking. I got it from Comicvine.com. I found it kind of strange. I could see maybe 2 or 3 more issues.

It should be noted that the appearance count double-dips with reprintings of material like Bodycount HC, Mighty Mutanimals - Invasion from Space, and IDW color microseries, along with Casey Jones & Raphael #1... stuff adds up.

I find comicvine is kind of awful as a resource in general.

[rickwj324]

I need help!! I've been collecting the IDW trades for the current series and decided I wanted to go back and collect the classic Mirage stuff. However, looking at the various tpb's, HC's, etc, on Amazon I'm at a loss as to what books to buy to get complete runs of the old stuff. At first I thought the HC Ultimate Collections were the way to go, but after researching the various volumes I see that some issues are missing. Then I started looking at the "Classics Collections" and I see some of the missing issues from the Ultimate Collections, but it all seems random.

My question is: Is there a way for me to buy the complete Mirage Series in current trade paperbacks (hardcovers or softcovers)???

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I don't know what to buy.

Rick

[Mayhem]

No, technically, because a couple of artists have not licensed IDW to reprint their work iirc. So a few of the original 62 issues in volume one won't be included.

[rickwj324]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

No, technically, because a couple of artists have not licensed IDW to reprint their work iirc. So a few of the original 62 issues in volume one won't be included.

It's not just volume one... a lot of issues are missing from these 5 volumes. Then looking at the 'classics' I see some of the missing stories in them, but not all of them.

That's really too bad. If I can't get a complete run, I'll just hold out. Don't the missing issues leave gaps in the storylines??

[boywonder26]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

I would try to send them a pm If it really is bothering you. Bobby Cornrow or Tom Waltz could answer you or maybe even some the artist would know.

How do you pm on here?

[Bobby Curnow]

I'm always reachable to answer questions at the IDW forums, i check there a couple times a day— i'll often miss PM's here, so that's not reliable.

Dr. Miller was indeed last seen in TMNT #21. For all we know he is still working for the Foot. Tom and I just discussed him recently, he's still around.

[boywonder26]

Originally Posted by Bobby Curnow

I'm always reachable to answer questions at the IDW forums, i check there a couple times a day— i'll often miss PM's here, so that's not reliable.

Dr. Miller was indeed last seen in TMNT #21. For all we know he is still working for the Foot. Tom and I just discussed him recently, he's still around.

Thanks for the heads up bobby. Ok sweet!

[Redeemer]

Bobby has a "Spidey" like sense of things like this

[boywonder26]

Lol!!!yeah he does,it's definitely a good thing

[Dawnatello Turtle Chick]

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

TMNT Vol. 1 #24, 25, 26 and 30

Casey Jones #1-2


All stories by Rick Veitch are currently off limits, as he never signed over his copyright to Mirage and he won't sign them over to Viacom, either.

TMNT Vol. 1 #8 CAN be reprinted (and has been), but it's a more complicated situation and requires contracts and permissions from Dave Sim. They received said permissions for the TMNT Ultimate Collection reprints, but could not get permissions for the TMNT Color Classics and The Works reprints.

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

As Powder pointed out, none of IDW's trades collect the material in a chronological reading order, but rather by series and volume. Admittedly, it is a little counterintuitive and you just sort of have to wing it.

For shorthand, though:

TMNT Ultimate Collections: Mirage TMNT Vol. 1 issues by Eastman and Laird

TMNT Classics: Mirage TMNT Vol. 1 issues by other creators

TMNT The Works: Mirage TMNT Vol. 1 issues by Eastman and Laird, but in color and without the bonus features of the Ultimate Collections

Tales of the TMNT: Tales of the TMNT Volumes 1 and 2 collected in issue number order, though the stories take place at different points across the Mirage series timeline

TMNT Adventures Classics: The Archie TMNT Adventures issues

TMNT: Just plain ole "TMNT" collects the IDW ongoing series in 4-issue story arc chunks

TMNT Microseries: Collects the IDW TMNT Microseries issues, which take place inbetween issues of the ongoing series


The TMNT backlog of issues is pretty vast and confusing. You kind of have to piece the continuity together as you go along. For Mirage, the Ultimate Collections are your best bet to get something close to full, uninterrupted stories. Yeah, they'll reference some stuff from Tales or the non Eastman/Laird issues, but until IDW does a "suggested reading order" collection, that's as good as it's gonna get.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The Amazon info is sometimes wrong or outdated. But regardless, if you buy all 5 Ultimate Collects and all 7 Classic collections, you'll have all the Volume 1 issues except the few I mentioned above.

Also get the Tales of the TMNT collections. They collected the first 7 issues of the original Tales run and are now up to the second run from 2004. Most of Tales is quite important to Volume 1 as characters like The Rat King, Leatherhead and others make their debut there.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So far the only Volume 1 issues not collected by IDW are:

- The 4 Rick Veitch issues (Sky Highway)

- Issue #41 "Turtle Dreams"

- Soul's Winter trilogy (although Bobby confirmed this is being collected later this year)


For some reason issue #18 is also only collected in the Eastman 25th anniversary collection, but not in the regular classics. Don't know what the deal with that is.

Originally Posted by rickwj324

It's not just volume one... a lot of issues are missing from these 5 volumes. Then looking at the 'classics' I see some of the missing stories in them, but not all of them.

That's really too bad. If I can't get a complete run, I'll just hold out. Don't the missing issues leave gaps in the storylines??

Many forum members (myself included) had the same question and between the posts listed here, you should be able to get an almost complete run by getting the IDW hardback Ultimate collections (1-5) and Classics (1-7 I believe) plus the Tales (v1) collections (not sure what they're up to now...). As stated there are a few issues that are not contained due to copyright issues, but it's the best we got, lol and you don't feel like you're missing any giant holes in the story. I definitely recommend picking these all up, great reading, very worth it! Plus you can eventually find any excluded issues on the second hand market... Hopefully. I hope this helps, the quoted posts are from like pages 82 to maybe 86 or so of this thread if you want to find them.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by rickwj324

That's really too bad. If I can't get a complete run, I'll just hold out. Don't the missing issues leave gaps in the storylines??

Not really. In terms of actual, continuous storyline in volume one (as opposed to side stories created by other artists), then you'll just need issues #1-15, #19-21, #42-62 (imo).

[rickwj324]

Thanks everyone for helping out. I will probably pick them all up soon. I really thought the ultimate hardcovers were the complete series. It would've been nice to have them in chronological order in such a nice set.

Rick

[Redeemer]

Hey who drew the original Leonardo micro??? Was that Jim Lawson or Peter Laird??

[NYShell]

Anyone know if there's a list that shows all the comics in order of cover/publication date? (So I can read them in order, like when they came out)

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by NYShell

Anyone know if there's a list that shows all the comics in order of cover/publication date? (So I can read them in order, like when they came out)

I am assuming you are wanting the Mirage list???http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Li..._Mirage_Comics

[NYShell]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

I am assuming you are wanting the Mirage list???http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Li..._Mirage_Comics

I found that list! I was hoping for one that would have it listed by publication date rather than the type of issue. I guess I'm to lazy to scroll up and down on the page to see which to read first, but thanks for looking!

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Hey who drew the original Leonardo micro??? Was that Jim Lawson or Peter Laird??

Credits say Eastman and Laird for pencils, and both of them for inks, plus Dooney and Brown.

[Toby Barrett]

According to amazon's page, the Utrom Empire tpb will have the same amount of pages as the four issue trades. IF that's true, what do you think are in those extra pages?