10-17-2017, 10:49 PM | #41 | |
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The Barron/Menke edit is one of my holy grails. https://youtu.be/IrCEhRNgGHY?t=5s |
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10-18-2017, 04:06 PM | #42 | |
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From what I understand, this cut is floating around somewhere, but I could be wrong. These scenes are definitely from it, so someone got their hands on it. I would love to see the Barrons/Menke cut, as well. And, jeeze, is it too much ask for some special features? |
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10-26-2017, 08:31 AM | #43 |
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Oh yeah definitely. The only thing I would have kept from the original cut was Ray (Tom Hanks) explaining that he was fired.
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10-31-2017, 11:23 AM | #44 | |
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As for why Shredder didn't kill Leo in that moment...I thought it was pretty clear. Shredder even admitted that "The three of you could have overpowered me with the loss of but one". If he'd have killed Leo immediately, he'd still have 3 pissed armed ninjas to deal with and there was a chance he'd lose. By keeping Leo alive, Shredder leveraged his position to disarm the turtles, taking away an edge they had. Keeping Leo alive was a tactical move. He did it to increase his odds of victory. |
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10-31-2017, 01:12 PM | #45 |
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Well said. Gotta say I feel the same.
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10-31-2017, 02:26 PM | #46 |
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Digitally add Rocksteady & Beebop alongside all of the Shredders scenes.
Digitally change knee and elbow pads to their respective colors and add the initials of the turtles to their belts. Replace Raphael's Damn for a Darn. |
10-31-2017, 02:56 PM | #47 |
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I like the underlying element that gives the film, but even in the workprint, it feels tossed in. Ultimately, I think all the changes made for the theatrical cut are large improvement for the film, particularly the ending, breaking in Walter's house, and the nightmare scene. Although, I do like bits here and there, like the "one or two sacrifices" line and having the boss (played by Kevin McCarthy) in the nightmare, but it made more sense keeping the focus in the neighborhood.
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11-01-2017, 12:32 AM | #48 |
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Other than *maybe* digitally re-master and the choice between widescreen and full screen, I wouldn't change the movie.
I would have a section to see deleted scenes. and I would have multiple movie commentaries with some of the actors and directors and Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird doing a commentary on the movie together. |
11-01-2017, 08:19 AM | #49 |
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That's a dead choice anymore. Movies are only released in their original aspect ratio on Blu Ray (with exceptions, such as Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, because it was intended to be a Made for Video, but had to be reformatted once WB decided to release it in theaters instead) and they don't put out new DVDs with full screen versions anymore. Since most people have moved on from tube TVs, full screen is no longer a relevant option. We no longer destroy the picture by lopping off 25 to 50% of the picture and using cheap "Pan & Scan" techniques. Instead, we use Auto Motion Plus.
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11-01-2017, 10:30 AM | #50 |
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Not all pan and scan movies were created equal though, especially movies made after pan and scan became a thing as many movies were shot with pan and scan in mind. That leaves us with some movies that were actually cropped for cinemas and even more common movies were neither version can ever be a definitive version as there will always be missing footage.
The X-Files is the only example I can easily google so yeah a matter of preference in this case if you prefer more "side" information or more "upper/lower" information. In some movies the choice is easy, in others it depends on the scene. Spoiler:
I'm not saying TMNT 1990 is like this but I know its true for Jurassic Park where the VHS actually has extra information that the "superior" widescreen format doesn't have. |
11-01-2017, 01:59 PM | #51 |
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It's not about gaining footage. It's about artistic intentions.
Movies are shot with the intention of a certain aspect ratio. Yes, it's true that many films were shot using Super 35, in which the cells were 1:33:1, and then cropped, as it was intended. One of the conveniences of Super 35 was it didn't necessarily have to be Pan & Scanned for the VHS releases, back when TV were 1:33:1, which has been outdated for over a decade now, even longer technically. It was a necessary evil that most of us had to live with because that's the way TVs were designed at the time. To someone who cares about movies, 16:9 TVs were a welcome change. Furthermore, The X-Files was a TV show. The first several seasons were filmed and intentionally cropped for 4:3 and later seasons were filmed with intention of 16:9. However, if I recall this is a special case because they had hoped to use the 16:9 frame one day. A TV show thinking about such a thing is a rarity. Take Friends, for example. It was shot in 16:9, but the early seasons never intended to use the full picture, so outside the 4:6 boundary, there were crew members, actors out of character, parts of the set, etc. For HD broadcasts, they attempted to use the original uncropped footage, but the flubs were clearly visible. So when it came time to do the Blu Ray version, they had to reframe it. This is most likely true of most shows at the time. The same thing happened to Super 35 and VHS. A couples examples I can think of are Jaws the Revenge (one uncropped shot revealed the inner workings and mechanical track of the shark) and TMNT (the top of the NYC backdrop during Shredder's POV charge). I'm pretty sure Child's Play and Spaceballs were a couple of other examples that revealed new flubs in their fullscreen versions. Most importantly, a fullscreen option is pointless with TMNT '90. Its ratio is 1:85:1 which isn't a far cry from the 16:9 ratio, which all TVs have now. Last edited by sgtfbomb; 11-01-2017 at 02:10 PM. |
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11-01-2017, 06:05 PM | #53 | |
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This isn't the early 00's when we had to fight because some movies only got full screen releases and it was easy to be given as a gift a DVD in fullscreen, that era is gone. You just went full on movie geek on the other member which is why I'm even defending it, if he wants full screen in a hypothetical special edition then let him have it. I'm not going to take your widescreen movies away |
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11-01-2017, 08:33 PM | #54 |
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"Has that horrible movie arrived here too ?" , the way he said it gave me a chuckle (late film critic Pål Bang Hansen upon hearing of TMNTs arrival in Norwegian cinemas , he had just been to Hwood)
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11-10-2017, 12:16 PM | #56 |
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Special edition a la Star Wars? No changes. Maybe a new remaster, though.
As for bonus features, I'd include all the content from the first film's German DVD (commentary, alternate ending and takes), and include the Behind the Shells special with the second film. |
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I wouldn't really do much to the movie itself. I suppose it might be interesting to remove mistakes but I don't think its really needed. I'd mostly just want all the extras like deleted scenes, different takes, making of/behind the scenes stuff and commentary. Don't know about the aspect ratio, maybe have more than one if it's available.
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Picture Mikey after getting his ass kicked in a training drill all day, beat up, walking the sewers to clear his head. He hears some teenagers talking above him, so he peeks out through the sewer. He sees them goofing off and having fun. You can read it on Mikey's face "I can't remember the last time my brothers and I laughed like that." I can appreciate the value of wanting to be happy, even if from birth it's been drilled into your head that your sole purpose for living is to kill this psychopath. A part of you must be thinking "Ok... And then what?" which raises their interest in having a "normal" life. Or whatever the closest thing they can get to it, being turtles living in a sewer |
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