Judging Art by the Artist

[FoxBoxKid]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

There are limits though, Fox - that's what people are saying. You can't walk into an airport and start talking about bombs without there being a reaction to that, and consequences.

You wouldn't walk up to a Chinese person, call him a "chink" and then expect for him not to be offended.

You wouldn't walk into a maternity ward and start cracking jokes about dead babies without expecting to get the stink-eye.

I'm a fan of dark humor and people have the right to say what they like (however odious), but you can't expect people to not react, or for there not to be consequences. That's part of living in a society - you are required to consider other peoples' feelings. When you don't display empathy, then yeah, peoples' opinions of you are going to be altered.

It's basic 'cause and effect'. People don't exist in a vacuum. You may have the constitutional right to say whatever you like, but that doesn't mean that there aren't still consequences. You can't expect the rest of the world to change to accommodate antisocial behavior. It doesn't work that way.

If someone sounds off about hating black people, he has that freedom of speech - however, he cannot then complain when people are offended. He cannot complain if people choose not to endorse or support him.

Simply put, if you act like a rude d*ckhead, don't expect the rest of the world to stand around glad-handing you - because it's not going to happen. The world isn't a Seth McFarlane tv series. Part of being a grown-up is realizing that you cannot, in fact, do whatever you like without there being some repercussions.

Now let's all stop talking about Biggs - it's starting to turn into dead horse territory.

I completely agree.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

You wouldn't walk into a maternity ward and start cracking jokes about dead babies...

Oh yes I goddamn would...

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

...without expecting to get the stink-eye.

..Oh, well yeah, duh.

Speaking offfff.... anybody got any good ones?! I KNOW I DO!!!

[pennydreadful]

[shuriken]

^^^Dude was a straight up psycho in the good son. Jeez

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

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Originally Posted by shuriken

^^^Dude was a straight up psycho in the good son. Jeez

He wasn't exactly a saint in Home Alone either.

[plastroncafe]

Now he's in a touring band that performs songs about pizza.

But I digress.

I brought up the topic not to beat the dead horse that is Biggs, or to go around once again with regards to why he's no longer on the TMNT Toon, but because this is something I think a lot about.

Example:
My love of Firefly was tarnished by Adam Baldwin's behavior online. I try to avoid movies with Michael Fassbender in them because it's been alleged that he dragged an ex of his with his car, and I'd rather not financially support someone who does that.

(Save for the movie "Haywire" where Gina Carano beats the snot out of his character, that was nice and cathartic.)

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by Jephael

He wasn't exactly a saint in Home Alone either.

^ Granted he was a bit of a sadist, but at least he never killed a baby. But Yeah go Pizza Underground.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, he was a bit of a jerk in Home Alone, but I think the gist of it is that we're supposed to feel sympathy for him in being treated the way he is. But I certainly don't feel sympathy for him now that I'm older, though I did when I was younger and saw the movie.

[Shark_Blade]

I think i pretty much separate the artist's work from his personal life.

Biggs might be an asshole but I still prefer his voice as Leo in Nick toon (Seth's still a bit awkward but I think I'll get used to him soon).

The Home Alone kid, I think he's pretty average boy naughty, I don't see him anywhere near being a jerk at all in the two movies? I would've acted like him given the situation, maybe a bit more extreme just to show the bad guys who's boss.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, I'm not talking about when he fought the burglars as that was genius. I'm talking about how he acted at the beginning of the first movie.

[shuriken]

Well he was just being an 8 year old kid. What kid doesn't go around saying stupid childish things as an 8 year old?

[BubblyShell22]

Yes, exactly, but as I've gotten older and seen the movie, I still find it hard to sympathize with him when he talks to his mom the way he did.

[shuriken]

^^ I get you. I just disagree. And correct me if I'm wrong but you don't interact with a lot of kids do you?
I've had my nieces and nephews say they hate me one second, but in a few minutes they'll be ya know jumping on me and hugging me. Just cuz they forget whaever the hell they were angry about. Kids can be bi-polar little jerks.
That's how they learn. Which is why I think that scene worked. I can remember a few times I said stupid things to my parents because well I could be a little jerk sometimes. I woulda hated Home Alone if the kid was an angel cuz that woulda been unrelatable.

[Papenbrook]

Usually, it's extremely difficult for me to separate the art from the artist, especially if said artist committed a terribly deplorable action/crime.

I usually have to judge the artist before I can view the work.

[Cure]

Oh, good. An old thread full of people I had almost forgotten that I wish I had. Thanks for the necropost, I guess.