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I'm assuming you mean the pre-frontal association areas, but don't know for certain without citations. I mean, it's not as though the brain is ever devoid of signals. Even if you're just sitting there your brain is still processing proprioception, sensory, and motor input. What makes Science science is the ability to present receipts. Where as just about any argument can be made using philosophical rhetoric.
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What if we're all living the Truman Show? Or are a bunch of lab mice being observed by giant alien scientists? I can't be the only one who occasionally thinks that, right?
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I just don't think it's wise for you to make scientific proclamations when it's clear you have no actual background in the sciences.
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Its nice that you think that.
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Isn't it just?!
I think so too. Here, this will help you moving forward: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=elsevier+neuroscience+free+will
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Looks like the Op's been listening to some Sam Harris! Hahaha.
There's a great doc on the subject, covers both sides of the argument, that being Fred Wolf Leonardo and Sumac. Seeing as choice is an illusion, then this debate must have a foregone conclusion. Impressed the Mods haven't shut this down yet. |
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Okay, that was funny +10 points
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Free will is the cornerstone of most faiths. An absence of free will means we are not culpable for our actions, so things like voting, or criminality take on new meaning.
If free will is an illusion, and we accept that, then nihilism becomes the default, and the concept of both God and Society dissolve. Can't be held accountable for your actions if those actions are predetermined. |
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All these pseudo-intellectual threads are boring. I miss talking about dumb **** and calling Doom a pedophile.
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My point was, if the gift that was given by "God" was B.S., proven to be so, then it would definitely erode a persons faith. The entire premise center around the responsibility of the individual, and their choice to do right or wrong, as defined by the church (I'm clearly using Christianity as an example, but it could easily be refitted to other faiths). Therefore, the bad person, had no choice but to be bad. Taken further, God, being omnipotent and omniscient, set in motion the bad deed. Therefore, the choice was gods, not the persons, and God is not perfect.
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Sometimes we are lucky and out choice is not disrupted. So we go back to the Chaos. On one hand, you can say that Chaos is not an absence of free will, but the very the nature of Chaos abhors free will, because, choice is representation of Order, i.e. it's something that should go from "point A to point B". In another words, conscious choice is a system - an opposite of Chaos. On the other hand, what if not free will is representation of Chaos? Life itself is a Chaos incarnated, and our choices, whether they are dictated by our fickle brain chemistry or outside interference, a prolongation of it, since without choice there is no Chaos. Only system. But essentially, I think, if you approach problem of choice from this positions, you come to the conclusion, that choice representation of both Chaos and Order. It originates from systems within our bodies, but at the same time, often informed by random desires and outside factors. Quote:
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Are there some here experiencing an existential crisis here? These philosophical threads about choice, religious views, etc. are becoming too popular.
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I know for a fact that I don't have an existensial crisis.
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Looks like Tonya Harding's words from "I, Tonya" would be applicable here then for these philosophical threads, "...There's no such thing as truth. Everyone has their own truth."
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