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11-26-2017, 05:07 PM | #1 |
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Was there any reason given why Rat King only appeared in a single episode?
Rat King only really appeared in 1 episode of the show in an adaption of "I Monster" from Tales, besides appearing as Bishop's clone "The Slayer" at the end of Season 3. He then had a 3 second cameo in the last episode of the entire series in BTTS.
For a Mirage character, Rat King was criminally underused in this show. They didn't even have Splinter and Rat King meet in this show which was bizarre. Even the Nick cartoon adapted Splinter/Rat King's meeting from City at War, which given this show adapted Mirage comic stories, it quite surprising they never did that. He appeared early in Season 4 so they had more than enough time to give him a follow up ep in late Season 4, or could have even given him an episode in the middle of Season 5 instead of that proposed third Garbageman episode, or even a full episode in Back to the Sewers but did not. I don't get it. |
11-26-2017, 05:16 PM | #2 |
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The only reason I can think of is that there was already so much going on in the show and that the Rat King was at the bottom of the creators' priorities.
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11-26-2017, 05:27 PM | #3 | |
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Blows my mind they wanted to make a third episode for Garbageman of all characters in Season 5 instead of giving Rat King a second episode. |
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11-26-2017, 05:33 PM | #4 |
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I would't say main villian but it is a shame that we never saw more of him heck considering how he was a clone of Bishop cast out of society we could've had a good guy Rat King
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11-26-2017, 06:10 PM | #5 |
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I agree with everyone that it is disappointing that we only saw him in a couple episodes. I wish they would have explored this character more and fleshed out the characters. Its really interesting bc the character was essentially a blank slate in this series and could have gone anywhere with the character.
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11-27-2017, 11:01 AM | #6 |
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Nickelodeon's Rat King was great.
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11-27-2017, 11:24 AM | #7 |
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Maybe the writers just forgot about him lol. I agree he could’ve been used again a few more times in the series. He had a good backstory.
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11-27-2017, 11:32 AM | #8 |
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But given he's Rat King you wouldn't expect him to just be brushed aside, given PL worked on the show and he's a Mirage character.
We sat through multiple episodes for C-tier characters but they wouldn't give an A-lister TMNT character another episode. |
11-27-2017, 11:45 AM | #9 |
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I see Rat King as more B list than A list
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11-27-2017, 01:09 PM | #10 |
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Well there really wasn't a whole lot of time for the Rat King to appear in season five. And it wasn't very likely that he would've appeared in the Fast Forward season. So all that leaves is the Back To The Sewer season, which he did get a small cameo.
I think the problem is that there really wasn't a whole lot that the writers could do with the 4Kids Rat King. He was pretty one dimensional. |
11-27-2017, 01:57 PM | #11 |
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Not that difficult to explain, this Rat King just seems like he wants to be left alone. There is no reason for him to show up because he has no reason to to do so.
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11-27-2017, 04:23 PM | #12 |
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11-27-2017, 04:28 PM | #13 |
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I find it odd as to how a secondary tmnt character appeared so often in the Original cartoon (10 episodes, mentioned in many more) while hardly ever appearing in the 2k3 series (barely 3 episodes).
Its usually the other way around. |
11-27-2017, 06:03 PM | #14 | |
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4kids Baxter is also in the most amount of episodes of all the Baxter's, given he works for Bishop after Shredder is gone. Each TMNT series also always keeps the same Shredder minions throughout the whole show and never does away with them. This series had Hun, the Elite Guards, Karai, Baxter, etc. last throughout the entire run and get beaten dozens of times. In Nick you saw Tiger Claw/Rahzar/Fishface/Bebop/Rocksteady get beaten throughout the whole show. Then in the original show Bebop/Rocksteady. Hun gets taken down in this series by the Turtles around 15-20 times, same way they beat Tiger Claw/Rahzar/Fishface dozens of times in Nick. If you're a main villain you last throughout the whole series and get beaten over and over. |
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11-27-2017, 07:57 PM | #15 | |
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11-28-2017, 11:32 AM | #16 |
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I think the original Rat King could carry some episodes in the 4 Kids series (except the one he just came up from the sewers to steal a pizza). Maybe he shouldn't play the flute to control rats.
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11-28-2017, 12:28 PM | #17 | |
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If we appeared in the 2003 show as he was in his final appearance of the Original Cartoon, with the Fedora and Telephatic powers, that would've been awesome. |
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And in the Mirage comics there aren't any more stories with him, aren't it?
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01-14-2018, 04:00 PM | #19 |
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The Nick cartoon adapted the City at War meeting between Rat King and Splinter. Surprised this show didn't.
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