Do you think Splinter should be revived?

[tmntsplinterfan1997]

Well I hate character development and emotional impact/dark writings. So Splinter is definitely returning. And no one says otherwise.

[Powder]

Why are you making a duplicate thread?

[victory_angel]

Splinter has cheated death once before...and he's died once before.
twice if you count the Deus Ex Machina that is his sons going 16 years into the past to ensure he survived his fight with Shredder
Ciro has pointed out that these are characters who live by the sword and to not include the consequences would be in appropriate.
Which leaves us at the will Splinter live or die debate because yeah Splinter's death could be for shock value. But unlike Family Guy and Such Shows...TMNT doesn't need to rely on shock value
and having the Turtles go back in time and save Splinter is the same as not showing the consequences of someone who chooses to live by the sword and sometimes as a metaphor for growing up, losses need to occur.
That's why Disney or Pixar or Dream works needs to have parent, sibling, friend, or someone important die or suffer an implied death or a great change has to occur such as the family moving to a new city as a metaphor for growing up.

The Turtles are at this current time 17-18 years old...and while they would always need Splinter as a father, they have been needing him as a teacher less and less. 17-18 on average is the around the time kids start leaving home...considering what their life is going to be. Attend college...find careers, find love.

And even if Splinter dies, that doesn't mean he dies as a character. He can still be a presence in their lives through their memories of him and the impact he's had with their lives. And for maybe one episode it could be the Turtles wondering how they are going to move forward and continue on without their teacher. As they likely have felt there was still much more they could have learned from him. But gradually they will all accept that as long as the four of them have each other and their community of friends and psudo-family, they will remain ever vigilant and follow their fathers legacy.

[tmntsplinterfan1997]

Splinter is a great character. I'll say Splinter should be alive after the Turtles saved the Earth.

[tmntsplinterfan1997]

Splinter should be okay with the past versions of the turtles.

[Autbot_Benz]

wow you are obsessed with Splinter its kinda scary

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

wow you are obsessed with Splinter its kinda scary

Can you contribute for once on the forums without instigating? Seriously man.

Either way, still sticking to my gut of Splinter's revival or if he remains dead, then he gets no mentioning.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by tmntsplinterfan1997

Splinter should be okay with the past versions of the turtles.

Let the thread die already, Christ. There's nothing more to say, you're just repeating yourself to bump a thread you made.

[myconius]

esentially, it's a TV show that (even though it has something for the adults) is targeted a young children.
theres NO way Nick would kill him for good!!!

are you kidding?? think of all the Splinter action figure sales they'd loose!!!

[neatoman]

So after watching the latest episode it made me wonder why Splinter's death is still treated like it's meant to be taken seriously? The episode right after his death had the main characters travel back in time to prevent the scenario that lead to his death from ever happening, even the little kids this show is intended for must have figured that one out so it's impossible to take his death seriously.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So after watching the latest episode it made me wonder why Splinter's death is still treated like it's meant to be taken seriously? The episode right after his death had the main characters travel back in time to prevent the scenario that lead to his death from ever happening, even the little kids this show is intended for must have figured that one out so it's impossible to take his death seriously.

technically, Splinter isn't really even dead anymore.

it's become a possible future they are trying to avoid.

[ToTheNines]

Well they're obviously going to thwart the Triceratons and destroy the black hole generator, but Shredder could still impale Splinter at a similar moment.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by myconius

esentially, it's a TV show that (even though it has something for the adults) is targeted a young children.
theres NO way Nick would kill him for good!!!

are you kidding?? think of all the Splinter action figure sales they'd loose!!!

Land Before Time had a parent (main protagonist's mother) die on-screen. Bambi had his mother shot by a hunter (you could even hear the gunshot.) Simba from the Lion King had his father run down by a bunch of water buffalo, afterwards Simba tried to revive him, but his father was clearly dead by then.

All of these are kids' movies, but they weren't shy about portraying death of a parental figure. I don't think Nick will shy away from having Splinter remain dead either, considering that all of these other movies did it without traumatizing kids and that it's intended audience is a bit older now.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Land Before Time had a parent (main protagonist's mother) die on-screen. Bambi had his mother shot by a hunter (you could even hear the gunshot.) Simba from the Lion King had his father run down by a bunch of water buffalo, afterwards Simba tried to revive him, but his father was clearly dead by then.

All of these are kids' movies, but they weren't shy about portraying death of a parental figure. I don't think Nick will shy away from having Splinter remain dead either, considering that all of these other movies did it without traumatizing kids and that it's intended audience is a bit older now.

but they were motion pictures played in theaters.

television is a lot more strict.

even a show as dark as Batman the animated series has a strict list of rules they had to follow.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Well they're obviously going to thwart the Triceratons and destroy the black hole generator, but Shredder could still impale Splinter at a similar moment.

The entire moment happen BECAUSE he had to team up with Shredder to stop the black hole generator, that moment can't happen if the black hole generator is stopped. If they repeated the thing under different circumstances it would just feel cheap.

[victory_angel]

And yes there have been shows where there have been main character deaths. The last episode of Beast Wars has several loved characters dies.

The Animals of Farthing Wood Cartoon Series has a number of character deaths. Both on screen and implied.

Ciro has pointed out that these are characters who live by the sword and to *not* show the consequences of what happens to people who choose to live that life style is inappropriate.

The same is true for going back in time to stop said person from being killed. Because going back in time is a deos ex machina that says all death can be solved by changing the past. And the fact is...not all deaths can be prevented. And even if it was possible to prevent said death...worse things would occur if said death doesn't happen.

For example: In the Tales of the Yokai episode, the Turtles are sent back in time to stop Splinter from being killed by the Shredder. They wanted to save Tang Shen...they wanted to stop the Shredder from taking Karai. But in the end the only person they could save was Splinter because Shen was fated to Die and Karai was taken by Shredder. So the end result was that even though the Turtles won, they still felt like they failed.

If Splinter had either his wife or his daughter he would have no need for the Turtles. Splinter still possibly could have gotten Turtles if Shen was still alive, but their mutation more then likely wouldn't have occurred.

Where as if Splinter just had Miwa he wouldn't have gotten the Turtles period. Because Turtles do spread salmonella which is not something you want around an infant.

And both scenarios would have had the Kraang kidnap April and ultimately use her to take over the Earth unopposed.

So as sad as that may sound, Tang Shen was meant to die and Miwa was fated to be abducted and become the Turtles enemy (for a time) in order for the Turtles to exist and become the Heroes they were meant to be.

With Showdown there is a moment where Splinter takes Leonardo aside and says "With the fate of the world at stake, you need to complete the mission no matter what or who you must sacrifice"

In other words...if it comes down to a choice to saving the world as the cost of yourself and/or your brothers...or yourself and/or your brothers at the cost of the world. You should choose to save the world.

The same statement also true in the recent episode with Leo's talk with Splinter. Leo tells Splinter he has concerns because they have suffered defeat before and have been able to bounce back. But with this current mission...they have only one shot at success. And there is a lot at stake if they fail.

Splinters response was hold on to hope...rely on yourselves and each other. And no matter what happens know I am proud of you all.

The end result could play out in several ways. Since there are two sets of Turtles running about the current time frame Turtles who are on the Earth oblivious to the events that are going to happen in a matter of weeks if not months. And the Present Day Turtles who are in Space.


There is a highly probable likely hood that it could become a lose lose situation where they must save the Earth, even though it means losing Splinter. Or save Splinter even if it means forsaking the Earth.

And even if there is a way to prevent the Heart of Darkness destroying the Earth (regardless of whether Splinter lives or dies)

There is still the question of what happens to both groups of Turtles and that could play out in 4 different ways.

1. They merge with their counter parts so they have memories of their adventures in space but it would feel like it was all a dream.

2. With their timeline altered the present day Turtles fade into the ether because the circumstances that enabled their existence were prevented.

3. The present Day Turtles and Co find they have to sacrifice themselves as a family or let themselves be taken into the vortex in order to prevent the earth from being destroyed.

4. Present Day Turtles journey into space after saving the Earth because their presence on Earth would cause a time paradox if they encountered their past selves.

[tmntsplinterfan1997]

Well technically Splinter did say to Leo that he must hold onto hope in The Cosmic Ocean but Splinter will be alive no matter what happens to him and the Earth.

[myconius]

personally i just find it really hard to believe that a television show produced by Nickelodeon would actually kill Splinter off for good.

[shredder orokusaki]

Spinter is dead and will remain dead forever! You must accept it!

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by shredder orokusaki

Spinter is dead and will remain dead forever! You must accept it!

Well no, because that doesn't make sense. Technically speaking, he hasn't died yet and there's no way of the turtles completing their mission without preventing Splinter from dying that way.