Peter Laird reacts to OotS' failure

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Thanks for chiming in, kiddo.

Oooo the irony.

Spoiler:

Also waaaaahhhh

Originally Posted by d_osborn

I guess that's why I respect the guy. He's being very diplomatic, even though he obviously doesn't like it. Being an asshole doesn't help the situation. Those creative choices come from up high, and it's apparent that the BO of TMNT2 will be doomsday for those choices.

It wasn't the first dogshit output from the property and more than likely won't be the last.

For Laird, it's really awesome the way he communicates with fans. Dude has him money, his bikes, his family, his pottery... he doesn't have to communicate and share his thoughts with the fans, but he does. That's pretty damn cool of him. I probably would have retreated to the mountains if I were him.

I hope when Platinum Dunes gets sh*tcanned, and we get the new, better crop of TMNT movies we're due for soon, he REALLY opens up about this crap.

Just one big, long, scathing article about exactly how much Michael Bay and Platinum Dunes sucks sooooo much balls.

I bet it'll be really cathartic for him. And REALLY entertaining for Turtles fans.

I can feel it. I can feel that absolute distaste he must have for these LCD movies bubbling just below the surface.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

its more popular then ever.

Not at the start of the Nickelodeon cartoon and certainly not now. There was an increase in interest for the franchise when the Nickelodeon cartoon began and when the 2014 movie premiered, these peaks turned out to be rather rather temporary however.

The ratings dropped and stagnated, the movie made less than expected and the sequel failed, there's also the toyline that seems to be falling behind but I have no statistics on that. So to say TMNT is "more popular than ever" is just delusional.

What's probably going to happen now is that Nickelodeon will just let the cartoon run it's course until it ends in 2017 or 2018, wait a little and reboot in an attempt at re-vitalising the franchise and see if another movie series has a chance, at which point the 2012 series becomes as "forgotten" as the 2003 series because people have a new TMNT cartoon to talk about.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

What's probably going to happen now is that Nickelodeon will just let the cartoon run it's course until it ends in 2017 or 2018, wait a little and reboot in an attempt at re-vitalising the franchise and see if another movie series has a chance, at which point the 2012 series becomes as "forgotten" as the 2003 series because people have a new TMNT cartoon to talk about.

I wonder what Bebop and Rocksteady's origin will be like in the 2017 show. Or when the Fred Wolf Turtles will crossover into it.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I wonder what Bebop and Rocksteady's origin will be like in the 2017 show. Or when the Fred Wolf Turtles will crossover into it.

I know your questions are jokes but I don't have joke answers to give, I guess I could answer the second question with "They will happen often until Nickelodeon learns they don't work" but I don't think that works. I'm dead serious with these answers.

1. Bebop and Rocksteady are probably going to be in the next show, they might redo the "street thugs" origin but it seems likely they might just make them oozed zoo animals or lab animals for the sake of simplicity. Or they might re-imagine them entirely but one of the previous possibilities seem more likely.
2. I think the Nickelodeon producers learned their lesson and figured out nobody cares enough for episodes like that to boost the ratings, it's probably seen as a failed strategy now.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I know your questions are jokes but I don't have joke answers to give, I guess I could answer the second question with "They will happen often until Nickelodeon learns they don't work" but I don't think that works. I'm dead serious with these answers.

1. Bebop and Rocksteady are probably going to be in the next show, they might redo the "street thugs" origin but it seems likely they might just make them oozed zoo animals or lab animals for the sake of simplicity. Or they might re-imagine them entirely but one of the previous possibilities seem more likely.
2. I think the Nickelodeon producers learned their lesson and figured out nobody cares enough for episodes like that to boost the ratings, it's probably seen as a failed strategy now.

They could just do what IDW did with the characters.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

They could just do what IDW did with the characters.

If you're talking about their origin, what's the real difference between that and the cartoon? That Karai creates them? That DNA was used instead of kidnapped zoo animals? It's still pretty much the same, The Foot convinces two idiotic street thugs to be turned into monsters, it's the same.

If you're talking about their characterisation...

Spoiler:

... Maybe toned down a bit? I wouldn't be against it, it's just that I doubt it'll ever happen.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Let's be honest folks...we will never get the 'Ninja Turtle film with badass fight choreography and 3-dimensional characterizations of the turtles'.

Yes, that is 100% fact.

Why? Because it'll forever be looked at as a kids' property. Even more so under the Nick platform (honestly, Peter Laird should not have sold it to them...he should have just waited and sold it to Disney or something like that).

This is coming from someone who would doesn't care for the current state of affairs, and would love to see the characters treated as more than 'jokes'.

But let's be real about this...it's not going to get into the 'Nolan's Batman' or 'Marvel Films' arena that folks (including me) want it to...

It sucks, but it's also the reality of the situation. The only way you'll get that will be in Fan Films (which a bunch of 'possible ones' pop up but never come to fruition, unless they are the Casey Jones ones...but dealing with just the Turtles? Even the fan films all fall through).

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by neatoman

If you're talking about their origin, what's the real difference between that and the cartoon? That Karai creates them? That DNA was used instead of kidnapped zoo animals? It's still pretty much the same, The Foot convinces two idiotic street thugs to be turned into monsters, it's the same.

If you're talking about their characterisation...

Spoiler:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...7871-bridw.jpg

... Maybe toned down a bit? I wouldn't be against it, it's just that I doubt it'll ever happen.

I was talking about the characterizations, cause in the IDW comics, they are a lot more dangerous, unpredictable, and a force of nature, they tend to leave a path of destruction.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Let's be honest folks...we will never get the 'Ninja Turtle film with badass fight choreography and 3-dimensional characterizations of the turtles'.

Yes, that is 100% fact.

Why? Because it'll forever be looked at as a kids' property. Even more so under the Nick platform (honestly, Peter Laird should not have sold it to them...he should have just waited and sold it to Disney or something like that).

The sad, depressing word of truth.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Let's be honest folks...we will never get the 'Ninja Turtle film with badass fight choreography and 3-dimensional characterizations of the turtles'.

Yes, that is 100% fact.

Why? Because it'll forever be looked at as a kids' property. Even more so under the Nick platform (honestly, Peter Laird should not have sold it to them...he should have just waited and sold it to Disney or something like that).

This is coming from someone who would doesn't care for the current state of affairs, and would love to see the characters treated as more than 'jokes'.

But let's be real about this...it's not going to get into the 'Nolan's Batman' or 'Marvel Films' arena that folks (including me) want it to...

It sucks, but it's also the reality of the situation. The only way you'll get that will be in Fan Films (which a bunch of 'possible ones' pop up but never come to fruition, unless they are the Casey Jones ones...but dealing with just the Turtles? Even the fan films all fall through).

Sadly, if it was sold to Disney, it would still be treated as a kids property.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Sadly, if it was sold to Disney, it would still be treated as a kids property.

Yeah, but they wouldn't make the abomination of a movie we're talking about here. At worst a Disney TMNT production would be like the Inspector Gadget movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Sadly, if it was sold to Disney, it would still be treated as a kids property.

Disney doing an animated movie ala Big Hero 6, Zootopia, Wreck-It Ralph, or Frozen?

That's a best case scenario right there.

[plastroncafe]

Disney does a damn good job making nuanced and well balanced kids' properties.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Disney does a damn good job making nuanced and well balanced kids' properties.

Most Disney cartoons are crap though. Ultimate Spiderman, the current Avengers, Hulk, Guardians of the Galaxy...they're all awful.

Marvel cartoons are more often bad than good.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by Etsyturtle2

Grevicances?

Typed that in a hurry, more or less problems with the writing.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Most Disney cartoons are crap though. Ultimate Spiderman, the current Avengers, Hulk, Guardians of the Galaxy...they're all awful.

Marvel cartoons are more often bad than good.

Well that's just your opinion. I find them more entertaining than the Nick TMNT cartoon,

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Xav

Well that's just your opinion. They are more entertaining than the Nick TMNT cartoon,

Well that's just your opinion. They are (insert yet another subjective comment here),

[Electric]

While I definitely think his thoughts should respected, take em with a grain of salt.

1) He hasnt even seen the movie. Hes talking about what hes heard, not what he saw.

2) While he would have never included goofier characters (Bebop and Rocksteady), alot of people actually enjoyed them, even if they didnt like the movie.

3) The fact that he singled out Caseys lack of hair makes me think that he has an issue with it...this one im with him on.

Again, he did co-create it, his opinion definitely should be respected. But other than that, this isnt his anymore...

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Most Disney cartoons are crap though. Ultimate Spiderman, the current Avengers, Hulk, Guardians of the Galaxy...they're all awful.

Marvel cartoons are more often bad than good.

Ultimate Spider-Man seems to be actually making an effort these days, and I've hated it for years so getting a compliment from me is saying something.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Most Disney cartoons are crap though. Ultimate Spiderman, the current Avengers, Hulk, Guardians of the Galaxy...they're all awful.

Marvel cartoons are more often bad than good.

True.

But it doesn't have to be this way.