09-14-2017, 02:29 PM | #1 |
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Fitting the FW crossovers onto the Original Toon's Timeline.
I couldn't find a thread dedicated to this so I decided to make my own. This is the thread where you'll able to talk about where you think the FW crossovers we've had so so far (Turtles Forever, TransDimensional Turtles, Wanted Bebop and Rocksteady) fit onto the original cartoon's timeline. No theory is off limits, so fully geek out and have fun analyzing!
I personally don't believe that Turtles Forever is canon to the Original Cartoon but I do believe that the Nick crossovers are so I'll be analyzing their crossovers (Trans-Dimensional Turtles, Wanted Bebop and Rocksteady), down to the smallest of details to pinpoint EXACTLY where I think it would fit into the Original Cartoon's timeline. I'll put my analysis in spoiler tags so those who haven't seen the 2nd crossover yet won't have it immediately spoiled for themselves. |
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The Technodrome setting in the beginning of "Wanted: Bebop & Rocksteady" looks like season 3 of the 1987-1996 series.
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09-14-2017, 03:18 PM | #3 |
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I've already touched on this before but what I think is going on with the Nick multiverse is that you're not really seeing the Mirage Turtles or the FW Turtles, just general ideas of the major TMNT incarnations.
The main clue for this is that there only 10 dimensions, they're quite explicit about that on multiple occasions. Now if we were to add up any previously explicit dimension hopping or otherwise incompatiple depictions, we'd end up with something like this:
Incomplete but you get the idea, no way in hell only 10 realities can exist if we are to assume we're really seeing the original versions of the characters. Also, if the FW Turtles in the Nick show really are the FW Turtles, then you'd have to pretend none of these are canon: So what I'm proposing instead is that the 10 Dimensions are not the past TMNT incarnations but rather some weird reflection of them and their most closely related material:
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09-14-2017, 04:25 PM | #8 |
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Starting with Trans-Dimensional Turtles, I'd firstly like to address Krang's backstory in the Nick toon and how It can be reconciled with the original Cartoon's timeline. I already did this in another thread so I won't copy it again, but I'll put a link to my post in that thread:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...50&postcount=4 Alright, now that that is done, lets move on to the actual episode itself. The easiest way to determine the timeline of the Original Cartoon is through the location of the technodrome, which changes every season. From being Underground in season 1, in Dimension X in season 2, the Bottom of the Earth's core in season 3, you get the point. In TransDimensional Turtles, the technodrome is first seen in Dimension X when the 80s and 2k12 Turtles' Dimensional Travel is hacked by Kraang Subprime. This might initially allude to the viewer that the 1st crossover takes place perhaps during the 2nd or the 4th season of the series, since the technodrome is in Dimension X. However, season 2 will have to ruled out of the equation because in the episode "The Manhattan Project/Wormquake", 80s Casey Jones was seen walking with the Turtles which would've only been possible if he met them which happened in the season 3 episode "Casey Jones Outlaw Hero". This leaves us with season 4, as it is the only Non-red sky season in which the technodrome is in Dimension X. However, there is an interesting twist that must be considered before concluding that the TransDimensional Turtles episode takes place during season 4 of the Original Cartoon. Krang needs assistance to reach Dimension X from the Kraang and access the technodrome, which would've not been the case in the Original Cartoon because not only was Krang INSIDE Dimension X during season 4 but also had access to the technodrome's TransDimensional Portal in case it wasn't in Dimension X. This leaves us with only one possibility for the events of the crossover, that Krang must have been seperate from the technodrome in order for him to demand assistance from the Kraang, which he had never done before. Is there an instance in the Original Cartoon where Krang was seperated from the technodrome and all sorts of Dimensional Travel? Yes! It was in between the season 7 finale "Shredder Triumphant" and the season 8 premiere "Get Shredder" when the villains were seperated from the technodrome and all sorts of Dimensional Travel, thus needing outside help that they otherwise would've not considered, especially since the Kraang were an enemy to Krang. It also helps that Krang was seperated from the technodrome again at the end of TransDimensional Turtles and where is the technodrome at the start of season 8? Stranded in Dimension X but without Krang in it. But how did the crossover result in the Red Sky and changed aesthetics of the 8th season? Thats where the 2nd Crossover comes into play. Spoiler:
So In conclusion, after all that analysis, this is my timeline of where the Crossovers take place Exactly in the timeline of the Original Cartoon: Spoiler:
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Season 4 isn't a red sky year.
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09-14-2017, 06:09 PM | #12 |
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Technodrome is underground in the second Nick crossover, it's only logical place is sometime during Season 3. Most likely toward the end of the season.
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09-17-2017, 04:36 AM | #13 |
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@FWLeo
Finally got around to reading your super long post, and I agree. You make some very good points and they do have to be in between seasons 7 and 8. Which is kinda cool, because I personally think Turtles Forever branches off from Shredder Triumphant. So when I do my next marathon, I'll go Triumphant-Forever-Transdimensional/Wanted-Get Shredder, once I get to that point. |
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If I was put Turtles Forever somewhere, it would be after season 10 but I think it works after Triumphant as well.
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But I personally see it as branching off and forming its own new continuity. Shredder Triumphant just works best because we see the turtles invading the Technodrome as it rolls through the city streets during daytime. |
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09-17-2017, 11:27 AM | #17 |
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I wonder how it would be if we as children, sitting watching an episode, would know that we would sit here 25-30 years later, stuck with trying to figure out all this.
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09-17-2017, 09:10 PM | #18 |
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I wonder if they mean there are ten base realities, and other realities that branch out of those ten, the way nine of them first branched out of turtles prime.
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09-17-2017, 09:58 PM | #19 |
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I'd also be interested in knowing whether Dimension X and Usagi's world count as a part of Reality 7 (The Nick Universe) or are they seperate?
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09-19-2017, 05:21 AM | #20 |
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Fleetway comics
We also have the Fleetway comics. (In turn, the Fleetway comics have criminal counterparts of the turtles, living on an alternate Earth)
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