Shredder has a strange name,doesn't he?

Lanagirl · 02-13-2003, 07:38 AM

It seems to me i've already asked about it. But Shredder's name- Oroku Saki... It is very strange. I read some book about China and Japan... The conclusion is that Saki- is a female name and only. And Oroku- it is not a japanese name at all. My good friend from Japan told me about it. May be he is wrong but i don't think he knows Japanese names worse than Eastman and Laird... Does anyone have any idea from where this name comes....

I'm so curious. May be somebody knows...

MagentaSkies · 02-13-2003, 07:46 AM

Ever considered that Eastman and Laird made up the name? Writers make up names for stories all the time.

*heretic888* · 02-13-2003, 08:19 AM

Saki is an adaptation of sakki, which in ninjutsu traditions refers to the 'force of the killer'.

I don't know about Oroku.

*Jephael* · 02-16-2003, 07:53 AM

The family names Hamato and Oroku were definatly made up, wheras Saki and Yoshi are common Japanese names.

**Karpo_007** · 02-16-2003, 08:02 AM

It's Saki because the needed to have two similar names. IE Nagi, Saki.

themaxonline · 02-16-2003, 10:59 AM

Do their name order differ from the North American one?

Hamato Sanchi and Hamato Yoshi - I thought they had different last names and the same first names and wondered how they could be related but is the Japanese name relation based on the first name?

**Kali** · 02-16-2003, 11:40 AM

Yes, in Japan, and I think a few other countries, the family, surname, is listed first.

CapnJeffro · 02-17-2003, 01:12 AM

Random thought. But when Karpo put Nagi in front of Saki right after each other... Nagi+Saki= Nagasaki.
Yeah, its a completely random thought, but it sounded good at the time.

Lanagirl · 02-17-2003, 02:01 AM

wow! Nagasaki! i could never imagine that. But sakki fr om ninjatsu sounds much better. I don't know about Nagi but do you think it is normal to name a ninja man with a female's name? Saki means he is a girl

by the way Hamado Youji- is a common japanese name. that's right.
So guys, you've already seen 2 episodes. what can you say? Did turtles become more serious and courageous? It seems to me their ninja moves became much better.

*R-iZZy* · 02-17-2003, 02:14 AM

"NAGASAKI"!!!

I had a good laugh after that one.

**Karpo_007** · 02-17-2003, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CapnJeffro

Random thought. But when Karpo put Nagi in front of Saki right after each other... Nagi+Saki= Nagasaki.
Yeah, its a completely random thought, but it sounded good at the time.

Hehe, never tough of that!

*heretic888* · 02-17-2003, 08:35 AM

i dunno... very interesting.

in martial arts terminology, Nagi seems to be an adaptation of nage which refers to throwing techniques, and Saki seems to be an adaptation of sakki which refers to the 'force of the killer'.

**Karpo_007** · 02-17-2003, 09:20 AM

Still Nagasaki is an intresting tought.

Lanagirl · 02-18-2003, 02:53 AM

But it sounds weird that his name is Saki... Even if Oroku is his surname, Saki is a name for a woman. I told that many many times... Nagasaki or not nagasaki- it is awful to give a man a female's name.

I must find out everything. It is tha same if Raphael's name was Raphaella.

**Karpo_007** · 02-18-2003, 06:48 AM

Doesn't really bother me.

**Kali** · 02-18-2003, 10:38 AM

There are LOTS of names that work for both males and females. Many names started for just one gender, then crossed over to be unisex. It's not uncommon.

*heretic888* · 02-18-2003, 10:39 AM

i still think eastman and laird created the 'saki' name as an adaptation of sakki.

02-13-2003, 07:38 AM	#1
Lanagirl Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Friends are not sent here Posts: 346	Shredder has a strange name,doesn't he? It seems to me i've already asked about it. But Shredder's name- Oroku Saki... It is very strange. I read some book about China and Japan... The conclusion is that Saki- is a female name and only. And Oroku- it is not a japanese name at all. My good friend from Japan told me about it. May be he is wrong but i don't think he knows Japanese names worse than Eastman and Laird... Does anyone have any idea from where this name comes.... I'm so curious. May be somebody knows...

02-13-2003, 08:19 AM	#3
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmm Saki is an adaptation of sakki, which in ninjutsu traditions refers to the 'force of the killer'. I don't know about Oroku. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

02-16-2003, 07:53 AM	#4
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	The family names Hamato and Oroku were definatly made up, wheras Saki and Yoshi are common Japanese names. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

02-17-2003, 02:01 AM	#9
Lanagirl Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Friends are not sent here Posts: 346	nice ideas wow! Nagasaki! i could never imagine that. But sakki fr om ninjatsu sounds much better. I don't know about Nagi but do you think it is normal to name a ninja man with a female's name? Saki means he is a girl by the way Hamado Youji- is a common japanese name. that's right. So guys, you've already seen 2 episodes. what can you say? Did turtles become more serious and courageous? It seems to me their ninja moves became much better.

02-17-2003, 02:14 AM	#10
R-iZZy The Long Con Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: G'ville, FL (Gator Country), USA Posts: 3,007	"NAGASAKI"!!! I had a good laugh after that one. __________________

02-13-2003, 07:46 AM	#2
MagentaSkies Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 199	Ever considered that Eastman and Laird made up the name? Writers make up names for stories all the time.

02-16-2003, 08:02 AM	#5
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	It's Saki because the needed to have two similar names. IE Nagi, Saki.

02-16-2003, 10:59 AM	#6
themaxonline Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 278	Do their name order differ from the North American one? Hamato Sanchi and Hamato Yoshi - I thought they had different last names and the same first names and wondered how they could be related but is the Japanese name relation based on the first name?

02-16-2003, 11:40 AM	#7
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Yes, in Japan, and I think a few other countries, the family, surname, is listed first.

02-17-2003, 01:12 AM	#8
CapnJeffro Mouser Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canton, Ga Posts: 11	Random thought. But when Karpo put Nagi in front of Saki right after each other... Nagi+Saki= Nagasaki. Yeah, its a completely random thought, but it sounded good at the time.

02-17-2003, 08:35 AM	#12
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmmmm i dunno... very interesting. in martial arts terminology, Nagi seems to be an adaptation of nage which refers to throwing techniques, and Saki seems to be an adaptation of sakki which refers to the 'force of the killer'. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

02-17-2003, 09:20 AM	#13
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Still Nagasaki is an intresting tought.

02-18-2003, 02:53 AM	#14
Lanagirl Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Friends are not sent here Posts: 346	it upsets me though But it sounds weird that his name is Saki... Even if Oroku is his surname, Saki is a name for a woman. I told that many many times... Nagasaki or not nagasaki- it is awful to give a man a female's name. I must find out everything. It is tha same if Raphael's name was Raphaella.

02-18-2003, 06:48 AM	#15
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Doesn't really bother me.

02-18-2003, 10:38 AM	#16
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	There are LOTS of names that work for both males and females. Many names started for just one gender, then crossed over to be unisex. It's not uncommon.

02-18-2003, 10:39 AM	#17
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem i still think eastman and laird created the 'saki' name as an adaptation of sakki. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)