PEACE or WAR

Supermik · 03-09-2003, 02:45 PM

Please don't give me some warned or similar...

i would only know what Americans think about the IRAQ-USA problem.

Thanks a lot.

Sincerly

*That Matt Guy* · 03-09-2003, 03:07 PM

I would prefer peace, but if there is a war I am not going to go out and protest it. Protesting accomplishes nothing.

Supermik · 03-09-2003, 03:18 PM

I preffer to wait what will happen, we have only to hope!

I preffer peace.

But i'm an Italian State Policeman and i have to control who protest. Today somebody for the peace blocks an important road and we had to interfere...

thanks.

*cqb101* · 03-09-2003, 03:38 PM

Peace all the way man!!!!!!!!!!!

*Lites up a joint and holds hands with everybody*

One Radical Dude · 03-09-2003, 04:03 PM

Even though I want to see peace, I know that the United States needs to go to war. First of all, et me say that just because one believes that the United States should take action (and have Saddam out of power) doesn't mean that they WANT to see a war. I'm sure a lot of people feel that way. However, I don't want to be blown up or become exposed to chemicals or diseases (bioterrorism) either.

Those that compare GWB to Adolf Hitler needs to take out Bush's name, and add Saddam Hussein instead. He IS a threat to America, and the world. He has tortured, and murdered his own people. Do you accept what he is doing/has done? Saddam has lied about having chemicals and mass weapons of destruction. For 12 years, he have been given opportunities to disarm, and has been given opportunities to end this in a peaceful way. What makes you think he's going to change?

The anti-Americanism really makes me sick. Even those that the US has helped before are against them. For those that we've helped in the past/present but hate the United States, where would you be w/o that nation? Where would Europe be without the United States (especially during the WW I-II era)? You'd probably wouldn't exist today, or be suffering miserably. If I have offended anyone, I apologize, but it bothers me to see so much hatred towards my country. Hey, I didn't choose where I wanted to be born. I didn't choose what nationality I wanted to be. Is it my fault that I am an American? This is what I would say to the American haters out there.

As for peace, who doesn't want it? Well, the exception goes to people like bin Laden and Saddam. I understand that you have the right to say what you want about the U.S. government and everything, but I feel that the same people that are protesting today...ignored everything that went on during Clinton's administration. I didn't see any protesting (or it was much more limited) going on back then. I feel that there are many different groups of anti-war members: 1. The anti-Bush group. 2. The anti-American crowd. 3. People who truly don't believe that a war is necessary at all. 4. The Human Shields for Saddam group (yes, there is a small group that really want to protect him by being human shields). Are there any others?

Today, you can't really ignore the threats that go on in today's world. Any threat could lead to something disastrous. Hopefully, we can end terror (or reduce it greatly). I do believe things, such as the duct-tape/plastics thing was stupid. It's a waste of time and money. Heh.

Before I wrap it up, I would like to say..."have you people who oppose war forgotten 9-11-2001? Do you want to relive that day again, and again, and again?" For that to happen, all we have to do is do nothing...and HOPE that Saddam, bin Laden, etc. change their hearts. I don't see them hoping for peace. I don't see that peace is coming, if we ignore them. Dudes/dudettes, I do not want to be blown up by nuclear weapons..nor do I want to be exposed to anything..such as smallpox or anything like that. If I ever get married and have children, I want them to live in a nation without all the terror and fear. I'm sorry to say that the United States and the rest of the world will go dark, if we just wait and see what happens next. By the time we react, I believe it'll be too late. My final statement.....just because Saddam hasn't done anything major to the United States doesn't mean he doesn't have plans to do so.

I have a voice, and I'm not afraid to speak up on issues like these. For those that read this, thank you.

*That Matt Guy* · 03-09-2003, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cqb101

Peace all the way man!!!!!!!!!!!

*Lites up a joint and holds hands with everybody*

Uh... whatever...

*Deathknight* · 03-09-2003, 06:14 PM

Peace, the last thing this country needs is a war. Especially one that's all about Bush's popularity.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 03-09-2003, 07:41 PM

I agree with you all the way DeathKnight!

War is disgusting and we cannot resort to it until EVERY LAST OPTION HAS BEEN EXPLORED. As we already know from the Korean War and the Gulf war, war does not work, it worked 3,000 years ago, lets not go backwards in time, lets progress, not destroy. As much as we don't want Bin Laden to attack or Saddam to burn his oil fields, we cannot resort to the kind of violence only they would pursue.

ORD, did you see Dan Rather's interview with Saddam Hussein on 60 minutes 2? Bush keeps saying he is a monster, but he looked well presented to me and said some very logical things I might add. Besides wanting peace, he wanted to have a live satellite debate with President Bush, so the whole world could see it, that would have been very useful. But of course, the Bush administration just dismisses this as a joke immediately, not wanting to take the shame of our C average President... we think Saddam is this maniac always ready to kill, yet he hasn't killed in 12 years...And it wasn't his own people that he killed, it was the Iranians, when they were at war, but we have an American view that says that all Middle East is the same...

Bush is also trying to make this into a crusade...he has influenced christianity in every one of his public appearances in some way, I see no seperation in church and state.

The cost of this war is tremendous, too tremendous, our whole country could be a better place if he used the money the right way.....Do we think that If we get Saddam Hussein out of power, the terrorists will not fight back??? They are all about revenge obviously because of the unsuccessful '93 bombing...I don't see an arab democracy, we are changing their whole way of life, it is rediculous, no one wants it but us and the goons who don't want to be on the "Axis of Evil"...lol

What are we going to do after the war? Leave that to the next president to deal with? Then who is next, North Korea? Then Iran? Are we going to slowly but surely kill off every nation til we have the world to our ungreatful selves? What is with this anti-American bull? We cannot express our opinions in a way that may be effective? Why protest you say? Well simply to remind the closed mind government of ours that people still want worldpeace...
All I can say now is lets try to think forward and not backwards.
I know I may have offended some in here, but hey, this is my opinion...accept it or reject it.

*That Matt Guy* · 03-09-2003, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokka

I agree with you all the way DeathKnight!

War is disgusting and we cannot resort to it until EVERY LAST OPTION HAS BEEN EXPLORED. As we already know from the Korean War and the Gulf war, war does not work, it worked 3,000 years ago, lets not go backwards in time, lets progress, not destroy. As much as we don't want Bin Laden to attack or Saddam to burn his oil fields, we cannot resort to the kind of violence only they would pursue.

I assume you mean the Vietnam War in place of the Gulf War.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 03-09-2003, 08:15 PM

Actually now that you remind me, the Vietnam War was pointless as well! Heh, thanks.

Note: I will not be here this coming week til Friday unless something else comes up, so don't expect me to respond to questions or anything after this night.

One Radical Dude · 03-09-2003, 10:01 PM

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I agree with you all the way DeathKnight! icon_smile.gif War is disgusting and we cannot resort to it until EVERY LAST OPTION HAS BEEN EXPLORED. As we already know from the Korean War and the Gulf war, war does not work, it worked 3,000 years ago, lets not go backwards in time, lets progress, not destroy. As much as we don't want Bin Laden to attack or Saddam to burn his oil fields, we cannot resort to the kind of violence only they would pursue.

We've given Saddam 12 years, dude!! He lies about not having weapons, then he says he refuses to disarm. Gee, I sure trust him.

I'm not going to say much more on that quote except that we are truly dead, if we do nothing but ask for peace. It's better to act than to react. There will definitely be more attacks.

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ORD, did you see Dan Rather's interview with Saddam Hussein on 60 minutes 2? Bush keeps saying he is a monster, but he looked well presented to me and said some very logical things I might add. Besides wanting peace, he wanted to have a live satellite debate with President Bush, so the whole world could see it, that would have been very useful. But of course, the Bush administration just dismisses this as a joke immediately, not wanting to take the shame of our C average President... we think Saddam is this maniac always ready to kill, yet he hasn't killed in 12 years...And it wasn't his own people that he killed, it was the Iranians, when they were at war, but we have an American view that says that all Middle East is the same...

I don't buy in everything I hear on the media, I'm sorry. If Saddam wanted peace, he would show the world that he doesn't have weapons or shows them that he is disarming. He ain't doing either one. Tell me...why do you think the Iraqi Kurds want Saddam out? They're fed up with him. It happened close to the Iraq/Iran border, but the gassing and bombing by Saddam's men took place on his own people. If you did some research, and see the disturbing images, you would find out what happened.

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Bush is also trying to make this into a crusade...he has influenced christianity in every one of his public appearances in some way, I see no seperation in church and state.

I haven't seen that at all. He mentions "God" and "prayer", but he didn't use "Christianity." I've seen him compliment "Islam" many more times than I've heard him complimenting the Christian faith (even though he does believe in that faith).

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The cost of this war is tremendous, too tremendous, our whole country could be a better place if he used the money the right way.....Do we think that If we get Saddam Hussein out of power, the terrorists will not fight back??? They are all about revenge obviously because of the unsuccessful '93 bombing...I don't see an arab democracy, we are changing their whole way of life, it is rediculous, no one wants it but us and the goons who don't want to be on the "Axis of Evil"...lol

Do we just stop? Do we wait and let these people meet their goals by wiping out America and other places? The cost of war in dollars does not concern me, it's the millions of lives that will be in stake if America chooses to react and do nothing. There won't be an economy left to defend, and America would be back in the Stone Age. And you want to know why America was unsuccessful at getting rid of Saddam and dismantle the Ba'ath Party? It's because of the anti-war crowd who said "we're killing innocent people....stop the bombs, stop it now!"

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What are we going to do after the war? Leave that to the next president to deal with? Then who is next, North Korea? Then Iran? Are we going to slowly but surely kill off every nation til we have the world to our ungreatful selves? What is with this anti-American bull? We cannot express our opinions in a way that may be effective? Why protest you say? Well simply to remind the closed mind government of ours that people still want worldpeace...
All I can say now is lets try to think forward and not backwards.
I know I may have offended some in here, but hey, this is my opinion...accept it or reject it.

We don't just do nothing, that's for sure. Then, millions of people would be dead. North Korea will have to be dealt with eventually, in my opinion. Do you not see all the American flag burnings that take place all over the world? Isn't that anti-American? What about anti-American slogans (such as "Death to America" or "America is the 'Great Satan'")??

Again, what would happen if the U.S. did not go to war in W.W. II? If it wasn't for the U.S., then Naziism would dominate all over Europe. I don't think President George W. Bush is the most intelligent man on Earth, nor do I agree with him on everything...however, I do believe that this is the most difficult 4-year-term that any U.S. President has ever dealt with. He definitely has my support, and I definitely hope that he makes the right decisions. Also, the military personnel, I wish them the best of luck. They have my support. They're out their to defend their great nation, their loved ones, and to defend the freedoms everyone in the U.S. have.

Even though we all want peace, sometimes...the hard way is the only way to go. As long as we have people that want to destroy lives, we will continue to be targeted. Because of that, peace will never be achieved by not doing anything. One day, all of the freedoms that every American enjoys may be gone thanks to all these people who want to destroy America. My family (future wife, and children, etc.) may be living in a fearing, brainwashed society. That's not the America I want to live in. I know not everyone here lives in the United States, and know that there are Europeans, and other people across the globe that post here. If I am the "minority" group around here (the only one that has these views), then I will live with that. I don't want to be hated for what I stand for, though. I love American, I'm proud to be an American...even though I didn't choose to be born there.

Thank you again.

*That Matt Guy* · 03-10-2003, 12:41 AM

I really wouldn't say the Gulf War was pointless, we did drive the Iraqis out of Kuwait. But a lot of supplies were wasted during that conflict; the US spent hundreds of hours and used over 100 planes a day looking for Iraq's phantom Scud launchers; which we never found.

beaker · 03-10-2003, 01:21 AM

Peace or War?
mangos and enchilada holy wars.

Cant grown men settle disputes like they do in Italy...pelting tomatoes and oranges at eachother?

*heretic888* · 03-10-2003, 08:47 AM

The way this poll was originally framed was horrendously naive and simplistic.

Peace or war???

That makes the childish assumption that not going to war is the same thing as 'peace'. Hussein isn't going away, kiddies. And neither are the suicide bomber terrorists.

*That Matt Guy* · 03-10-2003, 02:28 PM

Political Parties and foreign wars will be our countries downfall, according to George Washington.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 03-10-2003, 04:30 PM

War, for one reason and one reason only...to improve our damn economy! (and thus increasing my chances of getting a job...)

*Eye of Sarnath* · 03-10-2003, 05:13 PM

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Political Parties and foreign wars will be our countries downfall, according to George Washington.

I'm starting to wonder if he wasn't right.

*Deathknight* · 03-11-2003, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reznorite420

War, for one reason and one reason only...to improve our damn economy! (and thus increasing my chances of getting a job...)

the only job you'll have a chance of getting is being a soldier if the draft comes back into play. Do you want to go over to fight? I know I don't... I have really bad eye sight and I have ADD. I wouldn't last very long out there. I have a life to live and the last thing I need is it to end for Bush's popularity.

Supermik · 03-11-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by beaker

Peace or War?
mangos and enchilada holy wars.

Cant grown men settle disputes like they do in Italy...pelting tomatoes and oranges at eachother?

Cos' hai contro gli italiani?

belinone!

*heretic888* · 03-11-2003, 01:12 PM

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the only job you'll have a chance of getting is being a soldier if the draft comes back into play. Do you want to go over to fight? I know I don't... I have really bad eye sight and I have ADD. I wouldn't last very long out there. I have a life to live and the last thing I need is it to end for Bush's popularity.

Two things:

One) the notion of the draft being reinstituted for this war makes me

Two) if you really do have bad eyesight and ADD, then they won't send you on the frontlines. you'll get a nice military deskjob. assuming the draft is used, that is.

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PEACE	19	65.52%
WAR	10	34.48%
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03-09-2003, 02:45 PM	#1
Supermik Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 286	PEACE or WAR Please don't give me some warned or similar... i would only know what Americans think about the IRAQ-USA problem. Thanks a lot. Sincerly __________________ Is there a problem?! Supermik solve it... COWABUNGA, AMIGOS! Supermik

03-09-2003, 03:18 PM	#3
Supermik Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 286	I preffer to wait what will happen, we have only to hope! I preffer peace. But i'm an Italian State Policeman and i have to control who protest. Today somebody for the peace blocks an important road and we had to interfere... thanks. __________________ Is there a problem?! Supermik solve it... COWABUNGA, AMIGOS! Supermik

03-09-2003, 03:38 PM	#4
cqb101 Cinephile Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 8,489	Peace all the way man!!!!!!!!!!! Lites up a joint and holds hands with everybody __________________ Facebook

03-09-2003, 04:03 PM	#5
One Radical Dude Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Central/SW AR, USA Posts: 495	Even though I want to see peace, I know that the United States needs to go to war. First of all, et me say that just because one believes that the United States should take action (and have Saddam out of power) doesn't mean that they WANT to see a war. I'm sure a lot of people feel that way. However, I don't want to be blown up or become exposed to chemicals or diseases (bioterrorism) either. Those that compare GWB to Adolf Hitler needs to take out Bush's name, and add Saddam Hussein instead. He IS a threat to America, and the world. He has tortured, and murdered his own people. Do you accept what he is doing/has done? Saddam has lied about having chemicals and mass weapons of destruction. For 12 years, he have been given opportunities to disarm, and has been given opportunities to end this in a peaceful way. What makes you think he's going to change? The anti-Americanism really makes me sick. Even those that the US has helped before are against them. For those that we've helped in the past/present but hate the United States, where would you be w/o that nation? Where would Europe be without the United States (especially during the WW I-II era)? You'd probably wouldn't exist today, or be suffering miserably. If I have offended anyone, I apologize, but it bothers me to see so much hatred towards my country. Hey, I didn't choose where I wanted to be born. I didn't choose what nationality I wanted to be. Is it my fault that I am an American? This is what I would say to the American haters out there. As for peace, who doesn't want it? Well, the exception goes to people like bin Laden and Saddam. I understand that you have the right to say what you want about the U.S. government and everything, but I feel that the same people that are protesting today...ignored everything that went on during Clinton's administration. I didn't see any protesting (or it was much more limited) going on back then. I feel that there are many different groups of anti-war members: 1. The anti-Bush group. 2. The anti-American crowd. 3. People who truly don't believe that a war is necessary at all. 4. The Human Shields for Saddam group (yes, there is a small group that really want to protect him by being human shields). Are there any others? Today, you can't really ignore the threats that go on in today's world. Any threat could lead to something disastrous. Hopefully, we can end terror (or reduce it greatly). I do believe things, such as the duct-tape/plastics thing was stupid. It's a waste of time and money. Heh. Before I wrap it up, I would like to say..."have you people who oppose war forgotten 9-11-2001? Do you want to relive that day again, and again, and again?" For that to happen, all we have to do is do nothing...and HOPE that Saddam, bin Laden, etc. change their hearts. I don't see them hoping for peace. I don't see that peace is coming, if we ignore them. Dudes/dudettes, I do not want to be blown up by nuclear weapons..nor do I want to be exposed to anything..such as smallpox or anything like that. If I ever get married and have children, I want them to live in a nation without all the terror and fear. I'm sorry to say that the United States and the rest of the world will go dark, if we just wait and see what happens next. By the time we react, I believe it'll be too late. My final statement.....just because Saddam hasn't done anything major to the United States doesn't mean he doesn't have plans to do so. I have a voice, and I'm not afraid to speak up on issues like these. For those that read this, thank you. __________________

03-09-2003, 03:07 PM	#2
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	I would prefer peace, but if there is a war I am not going to go out and protest it. Protesting accomplishes nothing.

03-09-2003, 06:14 PM	#7
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	Peace, the last thing this country needs is a war. Especially one that's all about Bush's popularity. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

03-09-2003, 07:41 PM	#8
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	I agree with you all the way DeathKnight! War is disgusting and we cannot resort to it until EVERY LAST OPTION HAS BEEN EXPLORED. As we already know from the Korean War and the Gulf war, war does not work, it worked 3,000 years ago, lets not go backwards in time, lets progress, not destroy. As much as we don't want Bin Laden to attack or Saddam to burn his oil fields, we cannot resort to the kind of violence only they would pursue. ORD, did you see Dan Rather's interview with Saddam Hussein on 60 minutes 2? Bush keeps saying he is a monster, but he looked well presented to me and said some very logical things I might add. Besides wanting peace, he wanted to have a live satellite debate with President Bush, so the whole world could see it, that would have been very useful. But of course, the Bush administration just dismisses this as a joke immediately, not wanting to take the shame of our C average President... we think Saddam is this maniac always ready to kill, yet he hasn't killed in 12 years...And it wasn't his own people that he killed, it was the Iranians, when they were at war, but we have an American view that says that all Middle East is the same... Bush is also trying to make this into a crusade...he has influenced christianity in every one of his public appearances in some way, I see no seperation in church and state. The cost of this war is tremendous, too tremendous, our whole country could be a better place if he used the money the right way.....Do we think that If we get Saddam Hussein out of power, the terrorists will not fight back??? They are all about revenge obviously because of the unsuccessful '93 bombing...I don't see an arab democracy, we are changing their whole way of life, it is rediculous, no one wants it but us and the goons who don't want to be on the "Axis of Evil"...lol What are we going to do after the war? Leave that to the next president to deal with? Then who is next, North Korea? Then Iran? Are we going to slowly but surely kill off every nation til we have the world to our ungreatful selves? What is with this anti-American bull? We cannot express our opinions in a way that may be effective? Why protest you say? Well simply to remind the closed mind government of ours that people still want worldpeace... All I can say now is lets try to think forward and not backwards. I know I may have offended some in here, but hey, this is my opinion...accept it or reject it.

03-09-2003, 08:15 PM	#10
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Actually now that you remind me, the Vietnam War was pointless as well! Heh, thanks. Note: I will not be here this coming week til Friday unless something else comes up, so don't expect me to respond to questions or anything after this night.

03-10-2003, 12:41 AM	#12
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	I really wouldn't say the Gulf War was pointless, we did drive the Iraqis out of Kuwait. But a lot of supplies were wasted during that conflict; the US spent hundreds of hours and used over 100 planes a day looking for Iraq's phantom Scud launchers; which we never found.

03-10-2003, 01:21 AM	#13
beaker Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 483	Peace or War? mangos and enchilada holy wars. Cant grown men settle disputes like they do in Italy...pelting tomatoes and oranges at eachother? __________________ .:\\.:beaker:.//:. let the 80's entropy begin!

03-10-2003, 08:47 AM	#14
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ugh The way this poll was originally framed was horrendously naive and simplistic. Peace or war??? That makes the childish assumption that not going to war is the same thing as 'peace'. Hussein isn't going away, kiddies. And neither are the suicide bomber terrorists. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

03-10-2003, 02:28 PM	#15
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	Political Parties and foreign wars will be our countries downfall, according to George Washington.

03-10-2003, 04:30 PM	#16
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	War, for one reason and one reason only...to improve our damn economy! (and thus increasing my chances of getting a job...)