Who had the best character development?

k_lala · 01-01-2011, 08:33 PM

Out of all the characters who had the best character development? Let's discuss, I loved Leos progression and how he failed and was so hard on himself. I enjoyed his darker side on season 4.

Another character was Karai. Being an anti hero then being consumed by evil then turning good again.

Anyways discuss.

*CyberCubed* · 01-01-2011, 10:54 PM

All the Turtles pretty much remained the same throughout the shows entire run. Whatever lessons or character growth they got was usually undone or forgotten about by the time the next season began.

I'd say Baxter Stockman, if only because of "Insane in the Membrane" and his Fast Forward ep.

*Powder* · 01-01-2011, 11:00 PM

I'm definitely gonna go with the two aforementioned characters, Leo & Baxter.

*Coola Yagami* · 01-01-2011, 11:28 PM

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I'm definitely gonna go with the two aforementioned characters, Leo & Baxter.

But when Leo got back to normal, didn't he just turn back to normal and acted as if his emo-phase never happened?

*CyberCubed* · 01-01-2011, 11:43 PM

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But when Leo got back to normal, didn't he just turn back to normal and acted as if his emo-phase never happened?

Exactly.

All the Turtles basically wound up exactly the same after whatever story arc came to an end. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

The Turtles "character growth" was really them just maintaining their same personalities throughout their entire run.

*Powder* · 01-01-2011, 11:44 PM

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But when Leo got back to normal, didn't he just turn back to normal and acted as if his emo-phase never happened?

Well, yeah... Isn't that what makes it a phase? It doesn't last forever.

Avatar Yuffie · 01-02-2011, 04:20 AM

Baxter. If only because he had a happy ending in FF after all the crap he went into.

What happened to Karai is a derailment. I just... she was pretty quiet in the last scenes of Exodus when Ch'rell was banished and then suddenly went "You killed my father!!!" (which THE TMNT DIDN'T IT WAS THE UTROMS WHO BANISHED THE PINK SLUG OFFWORLD) mode in season 4? Does not compute for me.

Leo had a lot of episodes focused on him, but as said by the others it didn't change his already established character. What DID change is his sorta friendship with Karai, he now sees her as a nemesis (which made me scratch my head to this day when she's in April and Casey's wedding but STILL helped Ch'rell in Turtles Forever, it's as if 4Kids can't make up its mind on her).

Don went into two traumatic experiences (SAINW and Gameradon) but he's back to his usual self as soon as that adventure is over.

I wish Mike developed more... make him less annoying. It didn't happen.

I'd like to think Raph developed... but he's not as psychotically messed up as his Mirage counterpart (Mirage Raph said he has blackouts when he goes berserk), so him mellowing out because of his buddy chemistry with Casey didn't stand out for me. His interaction with an old lady is cute though.

k_lala · 01-02-2011, 10:38 AM

Well they all grew as fighters. Go look back to how they were from season 1 to 4. As far as the core of character of course they all stayed true to themselves but that doesn't mean they didn't develop.

A lot of time was spent on Leo, him being a leader, him failing, him being hard on himself and trying overcome it all. To me that shows a lot of character development. A lot of it being focused on in season 4.

I liked how Raph was the emotional one and always had his brothers back when it came down to it.

Stockman went a lot of physical development.

~~AquaParade~~ · 01-02-2011, 01:40 PM

I'd have to say Leonardo. It was fun, interesting, and justified, seeing him take that fall, go into a dark period, and train with the ancient one to renew himself.
In fact, thinking about it makes me wish they had released season 4 of tmnt2k3 in seasons sets. I thought it was the highlight of the show, and really led to some great episodes.

k_lala · 01-02-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

I'd have to say Leonardo. It was fun, interesting, and justified, seeing him take that fall, go into a dark period, and train with the ancient one to renew himself.
In fact, thinking about it makes me wish they had released season 4 of tmnt2k3 in seasons sets. I thought it was the highlight of the show, and really led to some great episodes.

I have all the sets on dvd, i had to go out and buy a regional dvd player and the Aussie TMNT sets. Expensive as hell, i'm watching them right now all in a row.

*Eiko* · 01-02-2011, 04:17 PM

I think they where all really the same. Well maybe except for Baxter.

*Redeemer* · 01-02-2011, 08:42 PM

I think Leo, I am biased bc he is my fav character, but my main reason is bc of season 4 and 5. In season 4 he was lost, bc he felt like he completely failed beyond belief. But in Season 5 when the Ninja Tribunal Critisized him, he rose above it and he released the Dragon Avatar and became leader of the Akolites.
B4 that he would have given up, Splinter never really critisized Leo, so he wasnt use to it, but he found out how to rise above it.

*triplexxx* · 01-03-2011, 12:14 AM

Wasn't really all that much character development as there was maybe just character revealment, except maybe with Baxter since he went through a deal of transformation and eventually reformation

~~AquaParade~~ · 01-03-2011, 02:29 AM

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I think they where all really the same. Well maybe except for Baxter.

Ah! Almost forgot that was possible.

Anyone know if there is anyway to play these dvd's on a PS3?

k_lala · 01-03-2011, 07:57 AM

Also i want to add, Leo did change a lot in every shape and form. As far as skill set obviously all the turtles were better, in the beginning Splinter was able to beat all 4 easily. By season 4 Leo surpassed Splinter.

The guy was an animal, workaholic, he got consumed with not wanting to fail. You saw his transformation, and then you saw him conquer it. To me that shows development because he grew.

*Redeemer* · 01-03-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by k_lala

Also i want to add, Leo did change a lot in every shape and form. As far as skill set obviously all the turtles were better, in the beginning Splinter was able to beat all 4 easily. By season 4 Leo surpassed Splinter.

The guy was an animal, workaholic, he got consumed with not wanting to fail. You saw his transformation, and then you saw him conquer it. To me that shows development because he grew.

Yeah that is a good point, but I am shocked no one has mentioned Bishop! He pulled the ultimate 180. He went from being a villian and hating all aliens, to a hero and making peace and accepting other species as friends. He was definately had the most change

*triplexxx* · 01-03-2011, 06:06 PM

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Yeah that is a good point, but I am shocked no one has mentioned Bishop! He pulled the ultimate 180. He went from being a villian and hating all aliens, to a hero and making peace and accepting other species as friends. He was definately had the most change

I would've mentioned him too, except his goals were very speculative from the start, he did hate aliens, performed a lot of projects at the expense of others, and worked as an adversary to the turtles, but his ends were to protect the planet and he made that known, he was just misconstrued in his beliefs and used destructive means to justify his ends, but I figured from the start sooner or later his eyes would've been opened and his true colors shown, I guess that could be considered a development, though to me it felt like something already there and just waiting to be revealed.

BlueLightning · 01-10-2011, 05:50 PM

I would say that Leonardo. I really think that in the beginning he was kind of naive. Trying to be a good leader, trying to guide his brothers, but not really sure how to do it. As time passed, he started to become obssesed with perfection, with the intention of never failing to his family, so he struggled hard to be a great warrior, but in the end, he couldn't.

He took their defeat in Exodus in a personal way. He though that he was responsible of that fall, so it took tool on his character a bit. He went onto a self discovery path, and when he returned, he become a lot of wiser, and the leader their family deserved.

Even in Fast Forward, I like the wisdom he displayed in "DNA is Thicker Than Water" to his evil twin.

*BubblyShell22* · 01-11-2011, 06:51 AM

Yeah, I agree that Leo had the most character development. I liked that because it showed more depth to him. Don went through a bit of a phase like that in BTTS as well, and that was good. Mikey never changed. Every time he learned a lesson it was almost like it never happened and he became his selfish self again. Raph did change a bit after he met Casey but not by much.

jaymq · 01-13-2011, 07:17 AM

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Yeah, I agree that Leo had the most character development. I liked that because it showed more depth to him. Don went through a bit of a phase like that in BTTS as well, and that was good. Mikey never changed. Every time he learned a lesson it was almost like it never happened and he became his selfish self again. Raph did change a bit after he met Casey but not by much.

^ Big reason right there why I dislike 2k3 Mikey. They neglected actual development for him. S'pity too. Mikey could have been a pretty strong character if they had just wrote him well.

01-01-2011, 08:33 PM	#1
k_lala Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 413	Who had the best character development? Out of all the characters who had the best character development? Let's discuss, I loved Leos progression and how he failed and was so hard on himself. I enjoyed his darker side on season 4. Another character was Karai. Being an anti hero then being consumed by evil then turning good again. Anyways discuss.

01-02-2011, 04:20 AM	#7
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	Baxter. If only because he had a happy ending in FF after all the crap he went into. What happened to Karai is a derailment. I just... she was pretty quiet in the last scenes of Exodus when Ch'rell was banished and then suddenly went "You killed my father!!!" (which THE TMNT DIDN'T IT WAS THE UTROMS WHO BANISHED THE PINK SLUG OFFWORLD) mode in season 4? Does not compute for me. Leo had a lot of episodes focused on him, but as said by the others it didn't change his already established character. What DID change is his sorta friendship with Karai, he now sees her as a nemesis (which made me scratch my head to this day when she's in April and Casey's wedding but STILL helped Ch'rell in Turtles Forever, it's as if 4Kids can't make up its mind on her). Don went into two traumatic experiences (SAINW and Gameradon) but he's back to his usual self as soon as that adventure is over. I wish Mike developed more... make him less annoying. It didn't happen. I'd like to think Raph developed... but he's not as psychotically messed up as his Mirage counterpart (Mirage Raph said he has blackouts when he goes berserk), so him mellowing out because of his buddy chemistry with Casey didn't stand out for me. His interaction with an old lady is cute though. __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy) Last edited by Avatar Yuffie; 01-02-2011 at 05:04 AM.

01-02-2011, 04:17 PM	#11
Eiko Aussie and Proud Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Foot HQ Australia Posts: 1,816	I think they where all really the same. Well maybe except for Baxter. __________________

01-02-2011, 08:42 PM	#12
Redeemer Technodrome Technician Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: third earth Posts: 4,737	I think Leo, I am biased bc he is my fav character, but my main reason is bc of season 4 and 5. In season 4 he was lost, bc he felt like he completely failed beyond belief. But in Season 5 when the Ninja Tribunal Critisized him, he rose above it and he released the Dragon Avatar and became leader of the Akolites. B4 that he would have given up, Splinter never really critisized Leo, so he wasnt use to it, but he found out how to rise above it. __________________ GT:Reedeamer *THE TECHNODROME REDESIGN 2015* http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51594

01-03-2011, 12:14 AM	#13
triplexxx Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,809	Wasn't really all that much character development as there was maybe just character revealment, except maybe with Baxter since he went through a deal of transformation and eventually reformation __________________ Please don't shoot me Mr. Big Mike. I'm too young and good-looking to die, well too young. I got a father, I got a mother, I got a grandmother, I got a little sister...and a little brother this high (raises hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand) and then I got a great big brother this high (slaps gun and runs). "Fright Night" - Three Stooges

01-01-2011, 10:54 PM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,814	All the Turtles pretty much remained the same throughout the shows entire run. Whatever lessons or character growth they got was usually undone or forgotten about by the time the next season began. I'd say Baxter Stockman, if only because of "Insane in the Membrane" and his Fast Forward ep.

01-01-2011, 11:00 PM	#3
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	I'm definitely gonna go with the two aforementioned characters, Leo & Baxter.

01-02-2011, 10:38 AM	#8
k_lala Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 413	Well they all grew as fighters. Go look back to how they were from season 1 to 4. As far as the core of character of course they all stayed true to themselves but that doesn't mean they didn't develop. A lot of time was spent on Leo, him being a leader, him failing, him being hard on himself and trying overcome it all. To me that shows a lot of character development. A lot of it being focused on in season 4. I liked how Raph was the emotional one and always had his brothers back when it came down to it. Stockman went a lot of physical development.

01-02-2011, 01:40 PM	#9
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	I'd have to say Leonardo. It was fun, interesting, and justified, seeing him take that fall, go into a dark period, and train with the ancient one to renew himself. In fact, thinking about it makes me wish they had released season 4 of tmnt2k3 in seasons sets. I thought it was the highlight of the show, and really led to some great episodes.

01-03-2011, 07:57 AM	#15
k_lala Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 413	Also i want to add, Leo did change a lot in every shape and form. As far as skill set obviously all the turtles were better, in the beginning Splinter was able to beat all 4 easily. By season 4 Leo surpassed Splinter. The guy was an animal, workaholic, he got consumed with not wanting to fail. You saw his transformation, and then you saw him conquer it. To me that shows development because he grew.

01-10-2011, 05:50 PM	#18
BlueLightning Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua, Mexico Posts: 49	I would say that Leonardo. I really think that in the beginning he was kind of naive. Trying to be a good leader, trying to guide his brothers, but not really sure how to do it. As time passed, he started to become obssesed with perfection, with the intention of never failing to his family, so he struggled hard to be a great warrior, but in the end, he couldn't. He took their defeat in Exodus in a personal way. He though that he was responsible of that fall, so it took tool on his character a bit. He went onto a self discovery path, and when he returned, he become a lot of wiser, and the leader their family deserved. Even in Fast Forward, I like the wisdom he displayed in "DNA is Thicker Than Water" to his evil twin. __________________ "All fathers care for their sons"

01-11-2011, 06:51 AM	#19
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yeah, I agree that Leo had the most character development. I liked that because it showed more depth to him. Don went through a bit of a phase like that in BTTS as well, and that was good. Mikey never changed. Every time he learned a lesson it was almost like it never happened and he became his selfish self again. Raph did change a bit after he met Casey but not by much. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.