Utrom Shredder ain't so tough!!

**Jester** · 09-14-2011, 08:55 AM

Sorry, I've been playing Mutant Melee and am at a frustrating point where I, as Donatello, must singlehandedly take on 3 Foot Soldiers (each wielding life bar draining spears, one giant Foot, AND Oroku Saki. This lead me to remember Splinter's line in The Shredder Strikes Back where he called Shredder a coward, hiding behind the large army of Foot(I know...it's only 4, but I love how one sided this fight is...THEY HAVE SPEARS!!) to wear the Turtles down by sheer numbers.

So yeah...Utrom Shredder ain't so tough. If it weren't for all the cannon fodder, he'd be no problem. Thoughts?

*oldmanwinters* · 09-14-2011, 08:59 AM

So wait... are you trying to slander the good name of Ch'rell or are you just saying you stink at video games?

Also... the semi-official "Mutant Melee" appreciation (or disappreciation) thread:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=15377

**Jester** · 09-14-2011, 09:42 AM

I am slandering the good name of the vile slug...he is quite literally a spineless coward. I mean look what he did to Leo. Had his forces tear him a new one...while he was a lone.

*gobo* · 09-14-2011, 10:28 AM

That's how alien warlords do. Get used to it.

~~ABrown~~ · 09-14-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

I am slandering the good name of the vile slug...he is quite literally a spineless coward. I mean look what he did to Leo. Had his forces tear him a new one...while he was a lone.

You do remember him taking on all four turtles in Shredder Strikes and beating all four of them right? Of course, technically, the robotic exosuit defeated them. All Ch'rell did was control it. I guess without an exosuit, he probably wouldn't be that much of a physical threat.

*gobo* · 09-14-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

I guess without an exosuit, he probably wouldn't be that much of a physical threat.

But... he hugged Raph's face! And 1988 Shredder's... TWICE!

**Jester** · 09-14-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

You do remember him taking on all four turtles in Shredder Strikes and beating all four of them right?

Did he take them on without the Foot as backup...NO!

In fact at times in the fight, he would attack a Turtle already preoccupied with a Foot Soldier. Donatello in particular comes to mind.

*ToTheNines* · 09-14-2011, 12:26 PM

Good point. Freakin KRANG woulda killed him in Turtles Forever if it weren't for Karai.

TobTurn · 09-14-2011, 01:24 PM

Fools! Ch'rell is The Shredder! Slayer of Ninja Turtles! Destroyer of Worlds! He crushes anyone who stands in his way, and he destroys ALL who defy him! He fears NO-ONE!

...Ahem, ok, now:

He beat the Turtles a lot of times. Yes, he had the Foot as back-up, but he could've easily defeaten them himself. It's just that those are his ninja's, and they're loyal to him.

It was his exosuit who fought for him, but Ch'rell did learn the martial arts, otherwise he wouldn't be able to fight as he can. But I have to admit: he cannot defeat the Turtles without his exoskeleton. I do know that the writers wanted to make him stronger and a bigger threat without his exosuit, as you can see in Turtles Forever. Even without his exosuit, he has amazing strength and speed and could harm the Turtles. Not defeat them, but harm then and while they'd recover he'd hide until he has acces to an exosuit again.

*Turo602* · 09-14-2011, 01:50 PM

Wasn't he like kicking Leo's, Raph's, Mikey's and Splinter's asses without the Shredder suit in Exodus? Especially when he found out Bishop was there, he got straight to business. Yeah sure he was still in an exo suit but that's what makes him Shredder.

This is what I'm referring to.

~~ABrown~~ · 09-14-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Turo602

This is what I'm referring to.

One of the greatest scene's in the show's history. They just burst into battle. It's one of the greatest fights that the turtles/Splinter have against the Shredder.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 09-14-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

One of the greatest scene's in the show's history. They just burst into battle. It's one of the greatest fights that the turtles/Splinter have against the Shredder.

Yeah. I also love how they got away with showing the arrows going into Saki's arms and stomach (would have scared the bejesus out of a little kid with no idea about Ch'Rell).

I've always figured that Ch'Rell was powerful enough on his own and in his exo-suit, but always feared death - that's why he explained to Karai how to use the worms, why he backed his memory up into a file. I also think that's why he always made sure to attack when the turtles and Splinter were most vulnerable.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-14-2011, 03:33 PM

Maybe he doesn't seem tough without the exosuit, but he's still a formidable foe. Besides that, he crushes all who oppose him and doesn't give them a second chance. And look at all of his crimes they listed in Exodus part 2. To me, that shows that although he may not be tough in the physical sense, he's still a powerful foe and an evil one at that.

*Xav* · 09-14-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Turo602

Wasn't he like kicking Leo's, Raph's, Mikey's and Splinter's asses without the Shredder suit in Exodus? Especially when he found out Bishop was there, he got straight to business. Yeah sure he was still in an exo suit but that's what makes him Shredder.

This is what I'm referring to.

Um no it looked more liked he was getting his ass kicked.

*gobo* · 09-14-2011, 06:51 PM

Turo's referring to the Shredder armor. Maybe he'll eventually realize he's the only one on his boat.

Dirty Blond · 10-04-2011, 09:39 AM

I love the way Shredder (Ch'rell) says "what?" whenever he's incredulous over something having gone wrong.

Hun: "Master, the turtles got away!"

Shredder: "What?"

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 10-04-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Blond

I love the way Shredder (Ch'rell) says "what?" whenever he's incredulous over something having gone wrong.

Hun: "Master, the turtles got away!"

Shredder: "What?"

I thought that was stupid, because he just stood there with his mouth hanging open after just saying "What?"

If the writers wanted to be more realistic, he could have said things like:

Spoiler:

**Jester** · 10-04-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

I thought that was stupid, because he just stood there with his mouth hanging open after just saying "What?"

If the writers wanted to be more like the whiny old Fred Wolf Shredder, he could have said things like:

"No! Everything was ready! EVERYTHING WAS READY!"

"Oh no. Oh no! NO!"

"Not fair! Not fair! I was winning! I was winning!"

Fixed .

*Redeemer* · 10-04-2011, 05:09 PM

Wow I forgot how much I liked this arc, I jst watched that section that Turo put up and I gotta say Turo shows an excellent point, ch'rll beat the living crap out of them, but he got a beating from all his enemies. But Bishop holly crapp!!! He beat the living crap out of the foot elite!!!!!

Dirty Blond · 10-04-2011, 09:02 PM

I just enjoyed how such an evil villain could be reduced to incredulity.

09-14-2011, 08:55 AM	#1
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,296	Utrom Shredder ain't so tough!! Sorry, I've been playing Mutant Melee and am at a frustrating point where I, as Donatello, must singlehandedly take on 3 Foot Soldiers (each wielding life bar draining spears, one giant Foot, AND Oroku Saki. This lead me to remember Splinter's line in The Shredder Strikes Back where he called Shredder a coward, hiding behind the large army of Foot(I know...it's only 4, but I love how one sided this fight is...THEY HAVE SPEARS!!) to wear the Turtles down by sheer numbers. So yeah...Utrom Shredder ain't so tough. If it weren't for all the cannon fodder, he'd be no problem. Thoughts? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

09-14-2011, 08:59 AM	#2
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,480	So wait... are you trying to slander the good name of Ch'rell or are you just saying you stink at video games? Also... the semi-official "Mutant Melee" appreciation (or disappreciation) thread: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=15377 __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

09-14-2011, 09:42 AM	#3
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,296	I am slandering the good name of the vile slug...he is quite literally a spineless coward. I mean look what he did to Leo. Had his forces tear him a new one...while he was a lone. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

09-14-2011, 10:28 AM	#4
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	That's how alien warlords do. Get used to it. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

09-14-2011, 01:50 PM	#10
Turo602 The King of Kings Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 2,931	Wasn't he like kicking Leo's, Raph's, Mikey's and Splinter's asses without the Shredder suit in Exodus? Especially when he found out Bishop was there, he got straight to business. Yeah sure he was still in an exo suit but that's what makes him Shredder. This is what I'm referring to. __________________

09-14-2011, 12:26 PM	#8
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,214	Good point. Freakin KRANG woulda killed him in Turtles Forever if it weren't for Karai.

09-14-2011, 01:24 PM	#9
TobTurn Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 153	Fools! Ch'rell is The Shredder! Slayer of Ninja Turtles! Destroyer of Worlds! He crushes anyone who stands in his way, and he destroys ALL who defy him! He fears NO-ONE! ...Ahem, ok, now: He beat the Turtles a lot of times. Yes, he had the Foot as back-up, but he could've easily defeaten them himself. It's just that those are his ninja's, and they're loyal to him. It was his exosuit who fought for him, but Ch'rell did learn the martial arts, otherwise he wouldn't be able to fight as he can. But I have to admit: he cannot defeat the Turtles without his exoskeleton. I do know that the writers wanted to make him stronger and a bigger threat without his exosuit, as you can see in Turtles Forever. Even without his exosuit, he has amazing strength and speed and could harm the Turtles. Not defeat them, but harm then and while they'd recover he'd hide until he has acces to an exosuit again.

09-14-2011, 03:33 PM	#13
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Maybe he doesn't seem tough without the exosuit, but he's still a formidable foe. Besides that, he crushes all who oppose him and doesn't give them a second chance. And look at all of his crimes they listed in Exodus part 2. To me, that shows that although he may not be tough in the physical sense, he's still a powerful foe and an evil one at that. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-14-2011, 06:51 PM	#15
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	Turo's referring to the Shredder armor. Maybe he'll eventually realize he's the only one on his boat. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

10-04-2011, 09:39 AM	#16
Dirty Blond Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 827	I love the way Shredder (Ch'rell) says "what?" whenever he's incredulous over something having gone wrong. Hun: "Master, the turtles got away!" Shredder: "What?"

10-04-2011, 05:09 PM	#19
Redeemer Technodrome Technician Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: third earth Posts: 4,737	Wow I forgot how much I liked this arc, I jst watched that section that Turo put up and I gotta say Turo shows an excellent point, ch'rll beat the living crap out of them, but he got a beating from all his enemies. But Bishop holly crapp!!! He beat the living crap out of the foot elite!!!!! __________________ GT:Reedeamer *THE TECHNODROME REDESIGN 2015* http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51594

10-04-2011, 09:02 PM	#20
Dirty Blond Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 827	I just enjoyed how such an evil villain could be reduced to incredulity.