What if the turtles were 'bad' guys?

[Samhain]

So, I had a thought. I always wondered, would I like the turtles as much as I do now if they acted like real Ninja? There is no honor within Ninjitsu. Ninjas are ruthless mercenaries. They work for anybody that paid them to kill or assassinate someone. What if the turtles were like that, do you think you would like them more, or less?

[oldmanwinters]

I wouldn't mind an "Elsewords" or "What If?" series of TMNT comics.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I wouldn't mind an "Elsewords" or "What If?" series of TMNT comics.

I would not only not mind it, but I want it more than anything.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Powder

I would not only not mind it, but I want it more than anything.

Anything, says you?

Muhahahah...

[Hermano Dyvas]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I wouldn't mind an "Elsewords" or "What If?" series of TMNT comics.

Originally Posted by Powder

I would not only not mind it, but I want it more than anything.

Seconded, well not more then anything but I'd love it!

[Candy Kappa]

If the Soul's Winter turtles got more issues and some development, I think they could go from the usual chaotic Good to Neutral Evil

[Uki]

I'd love to see the turtles cross paths with their anti-universe versions! Evil!!!

Or their total opposites: 4 Elderly Unmutated Ballet Tortoises... (Okay, scratch that.)

[AcidBurn30]

i would still like them, when they join The Foot in the 2k8 cartoon, damn they rock it and they're bad ass..i love it!

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Samhain

There is no honor within Ninjitsu. Ninjas are ruthless mercenaries. They work for anybody that paid them to kill or assassinate someone.

Isn't that a bit of a generalization? Historically, ninja were mostly regular folks hired to kill people. They were fairly unsophisticated, sometimes even using farm tools as weaponry. And more than likely part of their motivation toward taking their jobs pertained to opposition toward the target, be it political reasons, etc. You could argue that they were no different than soldiers, who also get paid to defend and attack but often take the career for moral reasons.

But I digress. I actually think it would be more interesting if Kevin and Peter had kept the Turtles in the morally ambiguous position they had in the early issues rather than "heroing" them out so to speak.

[AcidBurn30]

true, we know what ninja is but as a Ninja "Turtles" they should do the bad guy. Does anyone remember when they got clone of the turtles and became dark turtles in the 90's videos fighters?

[Samhain]

Originally Posted by Logan

Isn't that a bit of a generalization? Historically, ninja were mostly regular folks hired to kill people. They were fairly unsophisticated, sometimes even using farm tools as weaponry. And more than likely part of their motivation toward taking their jobs pertained to opposition toward the target, be it political reasons, etc. You could argue that they were no different than soldiers, who also get paid to defend and attack but often take the career for moral reasons.

But I digress. I actually think it would be more interesting if Kevin and Peter had kept the Turtles in the morally ambiguous position they had in the early issues rather than "heroing" them out so to speak.

Is what I said not accurate?

Originally Posted by AcidBurn30

true, we know what ninja is but as a Ninja "Turtles" they should do the bad guy. Does anyone remember when they got clone of the turtles and became dark turtles in the 90's videos fighters?

I'm not really understanding what you are trying to say. Perhaps word it better so we can discuss it further.

[gobo]

I think he's talking about the SNES version of Tournament Fighters.

[Candy Kappa]

The whole honor thing is romantic bullcrap. Samurai only showed honor to each other in non-combat situations and in duels, in war Honor gets you nowhere.

just look at Knights and Chivalry, it only reserved for among Knights. Knights usually here a nasty bunch of thugs.

[Jester]

I agree that it'd be an awesome Else-World tale, either that or seeing the TMNT story from the eyes of Oroku Saki... maybe.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by gobo

I think he's talking about the SNES version of Tournament Fighters.

& that's not the confusing part.

Originally Posted by AcidBurn30

true, we know what ninja is but as a Ninja "Turtles" they should do the bad guy.

[Luzmagica]

I get to the discordant note in this occasion ... and I think there are enough bad guys in the world, 4 more with turtle-shape has no a high interest for me ...

[pannoni1]

Easy. They would just be trained by Tokka & Slash, destroying the world and Shredder would be emperor! We would have a Shredderville situation exist. HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!! But it would be such an acute tragedy that may leave some fans packing. I think the OP must have gotten way too many game overs.

[Kendamu]

Contrary to popular belief, "ninja" was more of a job description and less of a status in life. People took "ninja work" rather than "being a ninja" in the most real sense of the word. Also, while there were the mercenary types out there, the types of ninja people normally think about (the ones who did night attacks, not the spies that were far more common) were samurai who specialized in leading night raids. Being samurai, they usually had a great deal of loyalty to someone. Of course, they weren't the stereotypical samurai. Like the ninja, though, the samurai stereotype didn't actually come about nearly as hardcore as it's romanticized about today until after the fact.

If the Turtles were to be "bad" guys, I would at least like to think that they had their loyalties instead of using their stealthy ways solely for personal gain like common bandits or something.

[Jephael]

I can't help but think about that episode of the classic toon where Donatello created that cloning device and his duplicate was basically an @$$hole. Near the end of the episode Don's clone replicated the other Turtles and those clones were also jerks. I think it would've been cool if the clone Turtles had stuck around.

[ZariusTwo]

They would have multi-coloured beards