Is Nick's Raphael the most similar to past incarnations so far?

*CyberCubed* · 09-30-2012, 07:27 PM

While Nick's Leonardo, Donatello, and Michelangelo all have slight changes to their personalities and characters to make them stand out a bit more compared to past incarnations, anyone else feel as if Raph's not that much different?

He was still shown to be quick to anger and lose his patience in the episodes, and he seemed to get annoyed with both Mikey (for being silly) and Leonardo (for being a leader) as usual. I think the only reason they gave Raph a pet turtle to confide in is because they didn't change much about him otherwise.

I guess this is pretty much why Nick's Raphael doesn't stand out as much as the other 3 Turtles so far, he seems to be the least changed from the past while the others all have something new about them.

*TurtleTitan97* · 09-30-2012, 07:32 PM

I don't really mind that he's like the other past versions of Raph.

*Powder* · 09-30-2012, 07:37 PM

He does seem to retain more of his former selves than the other turtles, but I think there are some things that set him apart. For example, even though they're playing up the whole tough guy thing, they're not dumbing him down a bit like 2k3 kinda did. He's quick to act, but he's still sharp. & the way he's voiced doesn't make him seem cocky but rather confident. He's got... whatever they called swag before swag came along (hate that word).

**Jester** · 09-30-2012, 07:52 PM

Also I think the fact that his soft spot is so visible with Spike helps to mellow him out compared to other Raphs. That and like Powder said, Astin's voice being lest stereotypical New Yorker kinda lightens him up and makes him less cocky.

*oldmanwinters* · 09-30-2012, 08:00 PM

I do like the fact that (at least at this point) Raphael appears to be a slightly more competent and effective leader than Leonardo. It will be nice to see Leo grow into his role, instead of just assuming his brothers will follow him by default.

*Slade* · 09-30-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

He does seem to retain more of his former selves than the other turtles, but I think there are some things that set him apart. For example, even though they're playing up the whole tough guy thing, they're not dumbing him down a bit like 2k3 kinda did. He's quick to act, but he's still sharp. & the way he's voiced doesn't make him seem cocky but rather confident. He's got... whatever they called swag before swag came along (hate that word).

This and I hate that word too.

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Originally Posted by Jester

Also I think the fact that his soft spot is so visible with Spike helps to mellow him out compared to other Raphs. That and like Powder said, Astin's voice being lest stereotypical New Yorker kinda lightens him up and makes him less cocky.

And this.

Though we've only seen one hour of him so far, I get the feeling Nick's version of Raph won't be as much of a hothead as 2k3, but I do see him as being a smartass like Fred Wolf.

*sdp* · 09-30-2012, 08:56 PM

He isn't too different but at least he isn't as annoying as in 2k3, his personality has been pretty well balanced so far. If he can stay like that without it being overplayed like in a few incarnations it'll be fine.

*Coola Yagami* · 09-30-2012, 08:59 PM

I kinda see Raph as a bit of a bully to the others, but it's more evened out since he picks on all 3 of his brothers and not just Mike.

I also seem to like that this time his angry attitude seems more genuine. Like I don't know... in this incarnation it feels more like 'that's how he is'... while in other incarnations they overdo it so much you're left wondering 'why is he so angry all the time???' and never get a clear answer.

*zkarlette* · 10-01-2012, 12:41 AM

So far I really like this version of Raph he sort of reminds me of the 4 kids version but a tad toned down. I really think Sean Astin is doing an excellent job.
His pet turtle makes him look so cute.

*Allio* · 10-01-2012, 12:44 AM

I actually think, this Raphael could actually grow up to be like the Raphael from the TMNT movie...

same with Leonardo and Mikey...

so there is that answer

*BubblyShell22* · 10-01-2012, 06:41 AM

I agree that Raph is a bit the same as in other incarnations, but I think he's different in that while he's quick to anger and impatience, he does have a softer side with Spike. Spike brings out something different in him, and that's what I like about him. I do think there will be a lot of conflict between Raph and Leo for a little while, but I'm okay with that.

amigaice · 10-01-2012, 07:02 AM

Both me and my kids loved the pet turtle Raph had. There also was a scene right in the middle of a fight both him and mikey made silly faces at the bad guys. So Raph does have a lighter side. The first thing my kids noticed though was the crack in his shell and they laughed any time those silly animations where used.

*Powder* · 10-01-2012, 01:21 PM

Who the hell is Ralph?

*BubblyShell22* · 10-01-2012, 04:23 PM

Ralph is the fat kid from The Simpsons. Raph is the Ninja Turtle we're talking about here, not Ralph Wiggum. This mistake is made so much, it irks me.

TheJ-manTurtleMan · 10-01-2012, 05:00 PM

Yes, I think he is the most similar, but I think he's more similar to the OT Raphael. I'm so glad they brought back the sarcastic witty Raph, but still keeping a little touch of the tough guy anger. Also losing the New York accent helps a lot

*chrisdude* · 10-01-2012, 05:27 PM

Maybe it's not Raphael being kept the same, but all of the other turtles being spotlighted a bit more?

I mean, with Mikey making his own discovery not being believed, Donnie and April, and Leo trying to be a leader, maybe there just wasn't enough to time give Raph his own subplot.

ComicBookBoy · 10-01-2012, 10:01 PM

Raph is still my favorite character. I espescially like how he was stronger than Leo. He seems to be a lot less angry and gung-ho about things than the 2003 Raph. I think the 2003 Raph was too hot headed and the 1987 Raph was way too comical, but I think that this Raph is a bit of a combination. And I like it.

blackaerin · 10-01-2012, 10:46 PM

Can't put my finger on it, but this Raph seems a bit more...intense.
Sure he's a lot calmer than 2k3 Raph, he actually smiles and acts like a kid and isn't grumpy and uptight 24/7. I do like that he's a bit of a smartass to Donatello, it seems that they're more prone to squabbling while Leo's a bit more passive. And hey, he's even revealed to have a softer side through Spike.

But everytime he fights an enemy, he looks like a thread waiting to snap at any moment.
The way he stabs at the robots and his face when he "hacks" the lock, the way he breaks the robot's arm, and where he's grabbing Snakeweed.
He has the potential to be, in Leo's words "seriously twisted" and I agree with Allio that I can very easily see this Raph growing up into 2007 Raph.
Maybe not now, but eventually something's going to set him off.
I do hope that this show explores this repressed anger more and not just leave it as "Oh la de da, it's just Raph being Raph." (Looking at the episode synopsis, hopefully this will be shown in next week's episode.)

Avatar Yuffie · 10-02-2012, 08:33 AM

It's really interesting Raph gets a pet, instead of Mikey. He seems to fight with ALL his brothers, Don surprisingly is rather snappish, instead of asserting his alpha-ness and getting Dad's approval with Leo.

And I really like the fact he's implied to be the best fighter of the four, so again his jealousy with Leo will hopefully NOT be used to shape his character in this continuity. Hopefully.

FoxZerro · 10-02-2012, 08:54 AM

Raph seems more reasonable so far. I loved the interaction with Donatello in the beginning when he gave him the chance to drop his staff, and then ended up beating him with it. I imagine that it probably would have been better for Donatello if he had dropped his Bo.

What I hope happens is the Mikey's best friend aspect of the character. It was definitely hinted at when they both made funny faces at the Krang during the fight. As much as I love Don and Mikey being best friends in the Movie and Don and Raph's friendship in the OT. I have always totally understood and supported Mike and Raph being best friends.

09-30-2012, 07:27 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,832	Is Nick's Raphael the most similar to past incarnations so far? While Nick's Leonardo, Donatello, and Michelangelo all have slight changes to their personalities and characters to make them stand out a bit more compared to past incarnations, anyone else feel as if Raph's not that much different? He was still shown to be quick to anger and lose his patience in the episodes, and he seemed to get annoyed with both Mikey (for being silly) and Leonardo (for being a leader) as usual. I think the only reason they gave Raph a pet turtle to confide in is because they didn't change much about him otherwise. I guess this is pretty much why Nick's Raphael doesn't stand out as much as the other 3 Turtles so far, he seems to be the least changed from the past while the others all have something new about them.

09-30-2012, 07:32 PM	#2
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	I don't really mind that he's like the other past versions of Raph. __________________

09-30-2012, 07:52 PM	#4
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	Also I think the fact that his soft spot is so visible with Spike helps to mellow him out compared to other Raphs. That and like Powder said, Astin's voice being lest stereotypical New Yorker kinda lightens him up and makes him less cocky. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

09-30-2012, 08:00 PM	#5
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,485	I do like the fact that (at least at this point) Raphael appears to be a slightly more competent and effective leader than Leonardo. It will be nice to see Leo grow into his role, instead of just assuming his brothers will follow him by default. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

09-30-2012, 08:56 PM	#7
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,200	He isn't too different but at least he isn't as annoying as in 2k3, his personality has been pretty well balanced so far. If he can stay like that without it being overplayed like in a few incarnations it'll be fine. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

09-30-2012, 07:37 PM	#3
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	He does seem to retain more of his former selves than the other turtles, but I think there are some things that set him apart. For example, even though they're playing up the whole tough guy thing, they're not dumbing him down a bit like 2k3 kinda did. He's quick to act, but he's still sharp. & the way he's voiced doesn't make him seem cocky but rather confident. He's got... whatever they called swag before swag came along (hate that word).

09-30-2012, 08:59 PM	#8
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,699	I kinda see Raph as a bit of a bully to the others, but it's more evened out since he picks on all 3 of his brothers and not just Mike. I also seem to like that this time his angry attitude seems more genuine. Like I don't know... in this incarnation it feels more like 'that's how he is'... while in other incarnations they overdo it so much you're left wondering 'why is he so angry all the time???' and never get a clear answer. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

10-01-2012, 12:41 AM	#9
zkarlette Fashionably late Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CA Posts: 4,146	So far I really like this version of Raph he sort of reminds me of the 4 kids version but a tad toned down. I really think Sean Astin is doing an excellent job. His pet turtle makes him look so cute. __________________ "If only we'd stop trying to be happy, we could have a pretty good time" E.W

10-01-2012, 12:44 AM	#10
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	I actually think, this Raphael could actually grow up to be like the Raphael from the TMNT movie... same with Leonardo and Mikey... so there is that answer __________________

10-01-2012, 06:41 AM	#11
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I agree that Raph is a bit the same as in other incarnations, but I think he's different in that while he's quick to anger and impatience, he does have a softer side with Spike. Spike brings out something different in him, and that's what I like about him. I do think there will be a lot of conflict between Raph and Leo for a little while, but I'm okay with that. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-01-2012, 07:02 AM	#12
amigaice New Recruit Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3	Both me and my kids loved the pet turtle Raph had. There also was a scene right in the middle of a fight both him and mikey made silly faces at the bad guys. So Raph does have a lighter side. The first thing my kids noticed though was the crack in his shell and they laughed any time those silly animations where used. Last edited by amigaice; 10-02-2012 at 06:35 AM.

10-01-2012, 01:21 PM	#13
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Who the hell is Ralph?

10-01-2012, 04:23 PM	#14
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Ralph is the fat kid from The Simpsons. Raph is the Ninja Turtle we're talking about here, not Ralph Wiggum. This mistake is made so much, it irks me. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-01-2012, 05:00 PM	#15
TheJ-manTurtleMan Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Southern California Posts: 646	Yes, I think he is the most similar, but I think he's more similar to the OT Raphael. I'm so glad they brought back the sarcastic witty Raph, but still keeping a little touch of the tough guy anger. Also losing the New York accent helps a lot __________________ Hey Man! It's The J-Man! "I love a little hot sauce on my pizza! I love a little hot sauce yes I dooo!"

10-01-2012, 05:27 PM	#16
chrisdude Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,708	Maybe it's not Raphael being kept the same, but all of the other turtles being spotlighted a bit more? I mean, with Mikey making his own discovery not being believed, Donnie and April, and Leo trying to be a leader, maybe there just wasn't enough to time give Raph his own subplot. __________________ PSN/Miiverse: MikeFarber

10-01-2012, 10:01 PM	#17
ComicBookBoy Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 321	Raph is still my favorite character. I espescially like how he was stronger than Leo. He seems to be a lot less angry and gung-ho about things than the 2003 Raph. I think the 2003 Raph was too hot headed and the 1987 Raph was way too comical, but I think that this Raph is a bit of a combination. And I like it. __________________ I sell on ebay; check out my auctions by clicking the link below: http://www.ebay.com/sch/masters_of_t...id=p4340.l2562 Check out my Collection http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=39696

10-01-2012, 10:46 PM	#18
blackaerin Random Punk Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 20	Can't put my finger on it, but this Raph seems a bit more...intense. Sure he's a lot calmer than 2k3 Raph, he actually smiles and acts like a kid and isn't grumpy and uptight 24/7. I do like that he's a bit of a smartass to Donatello, it seems that they're more prone to squabbling while Leo's a bit more passive. And hey, he's even revealed to have a softer side through Spike. But everytime he fights an enemy, he looks like a thread waiting to snap at any moment. The way he stabs at the robots and his face when he "hacks" the lock, the way he breaks the robot's arm, and where he's grabbing Snakeweed. He has the potential to be, in Leo's words "seriously twisted" and I agree with Allio that I can very easily see this Raph growing up into 2007 Raph. Maybe not now, but eventually something's going to set him off. I do hope that this show explores this repressed anger more and not just leave it as "Oh la de da, it's just Raph being Raph." (Looking at the episode synopsis, hopefully this will be shown in next week's episode.) Last edited by blackaerin; 10-02-2012 at 12:26 AM.

10-02-2012, 08:33 AM	#19
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	It's really interesting Raph gets a pet, instead of Mikey. He seems to fight with ALL his brothers, Don surprisingly is rather snappish, instead of asserting his alpha-ness and getting Dad's approval with Leo. And I really like the fact he's implied to be the best fighter of the four, so again his jealousy with Leo will hopefully NOT be used to shape his character in this continuity. Hopefully. __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy)

10-02-2012, 08:54 AM	#20
FoxZerro Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 574	Raph seems more reasonable so far. I loved the interaction with Donatello in the beginning when he gave him the chance to drop his staff, and then ended up beating him with it. I imagine that it probably would have been better for Donatello if he had dropped his Bo. What I hope happens is the Mikey's best friend aspect of the character. It was definitely hinted at when they both made funny faces at the Krang during the fight. As much as I love Don and Mikey being best friends in the Movie and Don and Raph's friendship in the OT. I have always totally understood and supported Mike and Raph being best friends.