What's The Best First Encounter With The Shredder?

*Donatello19* · 11-28-2012, 06:56 PM

Which TMNT show has the best first encounter between the turtles and Shredder The 2003 show, or the new Nickelodeon show? IMO the nickelodeon show has the better first encounter, with the turtles actually losing. Also, Shredder seems to be much more evil and threatening in the Nick show. I'm not counting 1989 or the movies, simply because I wanted to know if everyone like 2k3 or 2k12 better.

2003 Encounter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVjZM6CDZo0/YOUTUBE]

2012 Encounter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6jR-0GTJQ/YOUTUBE]

rav4ge · 11-28-2012, 10:01 PM

I'm gonna have to go with the 2k3 series encounter. It was a lot more fittingly dramatic.

*CyberCubed* · 11-28-2012, 10:04 PM

Fun fact: The Nick fight with Shredder was only 4 minutes of an episode.

The 4kids version was the full second part of, "Shredder Strikes Back."

**Venom** · 11-28-2012, 10:15 PM

I feel like the Nick encounter was the more intense encounter; I really felt like the Turtles lives' were at stake and (probably due to the subtleties of CG) could see the fear and frustration wash over them.

The inclusion of scratches and bruising on all four of them was nice to drive home the fact that these 4 kids almost died, but due to Splinter's teachings, they didn't.

4Kids! Shredder stopped being badass to me when he turned out to be an Utrom's robot suit.

*CyberCubed* · 11-28-2012, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venom

4Kids! Shredder stopped being badass to me when he turned out to be an Utrom's robot suit.

Krang is also a brain in a robot suit, yet nobody complained when he battled the Turtles. :p

Avatar Yuffie · 11-28-2012, 10:50 PM

2K12's a lot more action packed. And Shredder fought them on his own.

So that one got my vote.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-29-2012, 04:44 AM

Shredder mopped the floor with the Turtles and shrunk them whjen he first fought them proper in the OT (previous battles in the first season were mainly with Splinter. Pretty big statement (ha ha ha I made a funny)

Yeah, I'm going against orders and choosing the OT. What are you gonna do about it?

*BubblyShell22* · 11-29-2012, 08:00 AM

Definitely 2K12. I loved the 4Kids version, but the 2K12 had more action and drama. Plus, the Turtles got their shells handed to them and were more humbled by it, whereas in the 4Kids version, it was Splinter who ultimately defeated him (though not for long).

*ToTheNines* · 11-29-2012, 08:07 AM

As far as this poll goes, I voted Nick.

But overall, Mirage #1 probably gets the nod. Then again, I think the first movie might get my vote. The fact that they were fighting for Splinter's life gave that fight a lot of emotional weight.

*pannoni1* · 11-29-2012, 08:13 AM

The buildup to The Gauntlet, starting with Shredder watching on a TV screen, followed by defeating some Foot Soldiers and then defeating Chris and Xever forcing Shredder to decide to take the Turtles themself is easily the best buildup ever leading to his first encounter with the Turtles. I honestly thought that the Turtles were about to be kidnapped and taken hostage somewhere, forcing Splinter/April to come to their rescue.

4kids was basically too predictable from Mirage #1, in which there is decent fighting, but his origin story immediately before the battle tones things down a bit, plus this Shredder seems to just try to hard being a bad guy.

If 1987 was an option, I would have ranked that second, since even though the Turtles only saw Shredder on a monitor, it caused him to tell his Foot to try to drown/trap the Turtles to death, and the escape from the Security Services building remains fun to watch, bringing with it the franchises' first Cowabunga.

*Jephael* · 11-29-2012, 08:47 AM

Hey, you left out the 1987 series! I would've voted that. Come on, how can you top -

SHREDDER: "Don't deny your destiny. Join me!"
RAPHAEL: "Does the phrase go suck a lemon hold any meaning for ya?!"

Vivi · 11-29-2012, 01:45 PM

The editing of 2k3 could be tightened a little, but probably this one. One of my favourite shots is Michelangelo barreling down the screen after being kicked. My favourite shot from 2012 is the close up of all the battle wounds. Both fights have a very strong comic book look which is pretty cool.

*MikeandRaph87* · 11-29-2012, 01:45 PM

I won't vote because the 2012 encounter is so fresh in my mind,but I enjoyed all three first encounters. 2003 cartoon-wise I thought of the 1st Shredder encounter as my third favorite overall of the 157 installments. I was pleased with "The Gauntlet" more than any other episode aside from "New Friend,Old Enemy" despite my not liking Bradford becoming a dog-man.

**Venom** · 11-29-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Krang is also a brain in a robot suit, yet nobody complained when he battled the Turtles. :p

Krang wasn't Shredder, nor an Oot, or truly a threat due to the tone of the old series; big difference.

Also, I'm not complaining; I prefer the Shredder to be human, or humanoid (the Trike Shredder artwork looked pretty sweet!).

galaxysurfer · 01-12-2013, 06:19 PM

2012 IMO. I barely remember how the 2k3 one went down to be honest.

*Lethal Lullaby* · 01-12-2013, 08:25 PM

I'm gonna go with the 2012 encounter.

*Zulithe* · 01-12-2013, 09:02 PM

Nick series

I gave the 2003 a chance but it could not draw me in. And they totally messed up Shredder in that iteration as time went on.

*Bauer536* · 01-12-2013, 10:15 PM

I just watched the clip from "The Gauntlet." It's just so EPIC!

I remember the one from the 2k3 series. I was not happy with how it was done, especially with those weird ninja men that followed the turtles. The 2k12 encounter takes the cake. It was so well done. We got to see brothers showing love for one another when all seemed wrong, the fighting was top notch, and just the idea of making the turtles cocky right before the Shredder came was just brilliant.

*Andrew NDB* · 01-12-2013, 10:35 PM

1. Mirage
2. Movie
3. 4Kids
4. Nick
5. IDW
6. Fred Wolf

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-13-2013, 09:18 AM

2012 wins. Easy.

View Poll Results: What' The Best First Encounter With The Shredder?
2003 Series	8	25.00%
2012 Series	24	75.00%
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11-28-2012, 10:01 PM	#2
rav4ge Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 242	I'm gonna have to go with the 2k3 series encounter. It was a lot more fittingly dramatic. __________________ "Grim... gritty... my kind of place." --Raphael, Turtles Forever

11-28-2012, 10:15 PM	#4
Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,637	I feel like the Nick encounter was the more intense encounter; I really felt like the Turtles lives' were at stake and (probably due to the subtleties of CG) could see the fear and frustration wash over them. The inclusion of scratches and bruising on all four of them was nice to drive home the fact that these 4 kids almost died, but due to Splinter's teachings, they didn't. 4Kids! Shredder stopped being badass to me when he turned out to be an Utrom's robot suit. __________________

11-28-2012, 10:50 PM	#6
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	2K12's a lot more action packed. And Shredder fought them on his own. So that one got my vote. __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy)

11-29-2012, 04:44 AM	#7
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,452	Shredder mopped the floor with the Turtles and shrunk them whjen he first fought them proper in the OT (previous battles in the first season were mainly with Splinter. Pretty big statement (ha ha ha I made a funny) Yeah, I'm going against orders and choosing the OT. What are you gonna do about it? __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

11-28-2012, 06:56 PM	#1
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	What's The Best First Encounter With The Shredder? Which TMNT show has the best first encounter between the turtles and Shredder The 2003 show, or the new Nickelodeon show? IMO the nickelodeon show has the better first encounter, with the turtles actually losing. Also, Shredder seems to be much more evil and threatening in the Nick show. I'm not counting 1989 or the movies, simply because I wanted to know if everyone like 2k3 or 2k12 better. 2003 Encounter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVjZM6CDZo0/YOUTUBE] 2012 Encounter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6jR-0GTJQ/YOUTUBE]

11-28-2012, 10:04 PM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,835	Fun fact: The Nick fight with Shredder was only 4 minutes of an episode. The 4kids version was the full second part of, "Shredder Strikes Back."

11-29-2012, 08:00 AM	#8
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Definitely 2K12. I loved the 4Kids version, but the 2K12 had more action and drama. Plus, the Turtles got their shells handed to them and were more humbled by it, whereas in the 4Kids version, it was Splinter who ultimately defeated him (though not for long). __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

11-29-2012, 08:07 AM	#9
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,281	As far as this poll goes, I voted Nick. But overall, Mirage #1 probably gets the nod. Then again, I think the first movie might get my vote. The fact that they were fighting for Splinter's life gave that fight a lot of emotional weight.

11-29-2012, 08:13 AM	#10
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	The buildup to The Gauntlet, starting with Shredder watching on a TV screen, followed by defeating some Foot Soldiers and then defeating Chris and Xever forcing Shredder to decide to take the Turtles themself is easily the best buildup ever leading to his first encounter with the Turtles. I honestly thought that the Turtles were about to be kidnapped and taken hostage somewhere, forcing Splinter/April to come to their rescue. 4kids was basically too predictable from Mirage #1, in which there is decent fighting, but his origin story immediately before the battle tones things down a bit, plus this Shredder seems to just try to hard being a bad guy. If 1987 was an option, I would have ranked that second, since even though the Turtles only saw Shredder on a monitor, it caused him to tell his Foot to try to drown/trap the Turtles to death, and the escape from the Security Services building remains fun to watch, bringing with it the franchises' first Cowabunga. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

11-29-2012, 08:47 AM	#11
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Hey, you left out the 1987 series! I would've voted that. Come on, how can you top - SHREDDER: "Don't deny your destiny. Join me!" RAPHAEL: "Does the phrase go suck a lemon hold any meaning for ya?!" __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

11-29-2012, 01:45 PM	#12
Vivi Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ninja HQ, Moon Posts: 1,076	The editing of 2k3 could be tightened a little, but probably this one. One of my favourite shots is Michelangelo barreling down the screen after being kicked. My favourite shot from 2012 is the close up of all the battle wounds. Both fights have a very strong comic book look which is pretty cool.

11-29-2012, 01:45 PM	#13
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	I won't vote because the 2012 encounter is so fresh in my mind,but I enjoyed all three first encounters. 2003 cartoon-wise I thought of the 1st Shredder encounter as my third favorite overall of the 157 installments. I was pleased with "The Gauntlet" more than any other episode aside from "New Friend,Old Enemy" despite my not liking Bradford becoming a dog-man. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

01-12-2013, 06:19 PM	#15
galaxysurfer Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 26	2012 IMO. I barely remember how the 2k3 one went down to be honest.

01-12-2013, 08:25 PM	#16
Lethal Lullaby Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4,816	I'm gonna go with the 2012 encounter.

01-12-2013, 09:02 PM	#17
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,418	Nick series I gave the 2003 a chance but it could not draw me in. And they totally messed up Shredder in that iteration as time went on.

01-12-2013, 10:15 PM	#18
Bauer536 Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,550	I just watched the clip from "The Gauntlet." It's just so EPIC! I remember the one from the 2k3 series. I was not happy with how it was done, especially with those weird ninja men that followed the turtles. The 2k12 encounter takes the cake. It was so well done. We got to see brothers showing love for one another when all seemed wrong, the fighting was top notch, and just the idea of making the turtles cocky right before the Shredder came was just brilliant.

01-12-2013, 10:35 PM	#19
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,506	1. Mirage 2. Movie 3. 4Kids 4. Nick 5. IDW 6. Fred Wolf __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

01-13-2013, 09:18 AM	#20
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,480	2012 2012 wins. Easy.