The Foot as a military organization

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Ok, in response to a post I made over in another thread, one aspect about the new film people seem to be against is the presentation of the Foot Clan as a military organization. Well, that might not be as far-feteched as some people think.

Ok, let's see, Ninjas/Shinobi, who were esentially the Sengoku period's version of silent commados who rely on thier stealth, and people want them to run around the modern world, with it's modern weapons, in old Kabuki costumes instead of protective bulletproof armor, and weilding only feudal era weapons with no guns or modern weaponry, despite the fact that's what modern ninjas would probably do?

A modern ninja clan, if such a thing could plausably exist in the present, would esentially be a group of mercanaries- private solders for hire. Ninjas would not be using archaic tequines and weapons, but would be fully eqiupped with any weapon, modern or archaic, that would get the job done. Guns with silencers, light armors that are bulletproof, night vision goggles- a person would be hard pressed to see a difference between black ops commandos and modern ninjas- think Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow. Sure, maybe they have Katanas (Do not mention ninjatos to me) or other old meelee weapons if the mission calls for them, but why do so many fans have to have trained martial artists running around in bug-eyed pajamas?

[Powder]

Blah blah blah. People don't dislike it because it's not ninja like, they dislike it because it deviates from every single version of the foot EVER- Traditional ninjas (or robots, if you want).

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Powder

Blah blah blah. People don't dislike it because it's not ninja like, they dislike it because it deviates from every single version of the foot EVER- Traditional ninjas (or robots, if you want).

^ Pretty much this. I'd rather have The Foot "running around in bug-eyed pajamas" than as some millitary ops team.

[1984TMNT]

Why does this thread have "spoilers" in the label? There is nothing spolierish about this - unless you are stating that you have credible knowledge on the script being used?

[Bmaga123]

Originally Posted by 1984TMNT

Why does this thread have "spoilers" in the label? There is nothing spolierish about this - unless you are stating that you have credible knowledge on the script being used?

Was thinking the same thing myself

[1984TMNT]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

^ Pretty much this. I'd rather have The Foot "running around in bug-eyed pajamas" than as some millitary ops team.

I agree (though I wouldn't be completely revolted by a more military style look for the foot clan). The traditional ninja look could be plausible if they are running around at night blending into the shadows....not to mention they could still be wearing bullet proof vests under those, if needed. With that said, the need to wear such protective gear would certainly depend on what types of crimes they were committing as well as who their enemies were and what weapons they used, no?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

There are some people who would complain about bringing up the leaked script without a spoiler tag.

Don't get me wrong, I think the classic look is amazing, but I think it could be militarily updated. There is nothing wrong with a foot carrying a gun, instead of using ninjas stars. Or bulletproof armor under thier outfit.

[1984TMNT]

I think it's safe to say that the old leaked script is not what's being used here (at least not anything close to the same). So, no need to label this as a spoiler thread. Instead, it's giving off the impression that there is confirmation in the new movie that the foot clan is a military organization, which hasn't been confirmed or denied. Just my 2 cents

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I agree, though I can't seem to edit it.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I agree, though I can't seem to edit it.

Go to edit, then click the advanced tab. Lots of people seem to not know about that feature, but it allows you to edit titles, or even delete the thread if you so desire.

[Kendamu]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

A modern ninja clan, if such a thing could plausably exist in the present, would esentially be a group of mercanaries- private solders for hire. Ninjas would not be using archaic tequines and weapons, but would be fully eqiupped with any weapon, modern or archaic, that would get the job done.

Let's not get started on realism. If you want modern equivalents of Ninja, you're brushing a lot closer to that with the Turtles disguising themselves as construction workers in Corporate Raiders from Dimension X or Danny Pennington telling the Shredder where the Turtles were hiding out in the first movie than you ever would be some sort of commando team raiding a place and taking it by force with any sort of weaponry whether it be old or new.

Realism aside, why are you making it sound like it's wrong for fans to want a general degree of faithfulness in translating stereotypical comic book ninja from the pages to the screen?

If you're down with realism, though, check out this book. It's really good.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Kendamu

Let's not get started on realism. If you want modern equivalents of Ninja, you're brushing a lot closer to that with the Turtles disguising themselves as construction workers in Corporate Raiders from Dimension X or Danny Pennington telling the Shredder where the Turtles were hiding out in the first movie than you ever would be some sort of commando team raiding a place and taking it by force with any sort of weaponry whether it be old or new.

Realism aside, why are you making it sound like it's wrong for fans to want a general degree of faithfulness in translating stereotypical comic book ninja from the pages to the screen?

If you're down with realism, though, check out this book. It's really good.

Yes, for disguise missions. I was the one who had argued in another thread that ninjas were more spies and saboteours than assasins. (History major with Asian studies focus here)

I'm not demanding realism, nor am I saying that the tradtional outfits shouldn't be used. I am simply arguing against the purely sterotypical potrayal, in favor of something more of a combination of the two. Again, Snake Eyes combines the best of Modern Commando, yet evoke the traditional view of the ninja. I don't see anything wrong with a fictional ninja using a gun with his Katana, or grenades with his smoke bombs.

[chrisdude]

It doesn't bother me. The robots from the cartoon didn't bother me. The thuggish runaway teens from the movie didn't bother me. The military soldiers from the script didn't bother me. The way they look in the set photos looks fine to me (Even though they do look low-budget).

And I concur with the general notion of Panda's post, though I know nothing about ninjas.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Thanks Chrisdude, and thanks Powder for the edit info. And the whole point of this post was speaking up in defense of the military designs of the outfits in the pictures. Military makes sense for an urban mission.

[Kendamu]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Yes, for disguise missions. I was the one who had argued in another thread that ninjas were more spies and saboteours than assasins. (History major with Asian studies focus here)

I'm not demanding realism, nor am I saying that the tradtional outfits shouldn't be used. I am simply arguing against the purely sterotypical potrayal, in favor of something more of a combination of the two. Again, Storm Shadow combines the best of Modern Commando, yet evoke the traditional view of the ninja. I don't see anything wrong with a fictional ninja using a gun with his Katana, or grenades with his smoke bombs.

Modern explosives, if going for realism, I see explosives as a gray area. Outright assault weapons are a different matter to me when it comes to ninja.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I have no problem with them using guns, and those 'foot soldiers' we saw in the trailer had guns. I think this might be at least one subgroup of the foot's outfit; military-esque fatigues with 'anonomuys'-influenced face masks.

[Andrew NDB]

In other words... in a movie which will almost undoubtedly feature Krang and Technodromes and Dimension X and other Fred Wolf wackiness, the producers are really that concerned about making sure the Foot ninjas are appropriately modernized and realistic despite not looking like any sort of ninjas we have ever seen in any TMNT media (or any media, period, really) or would expect to see?

Look, we all know how Bay likes his military guys and military-esque battles... I don't think we need to look much deeper than that into things. "How can we get the military involved in the TMNT movie??" "Well, there is a Foot Clan with Foot SOLDIERS... maybe we can do something there..."

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

In other words... in a movie which will almost undoubtedly feature Krang and Technodromes and Dimension X and other Fred Wolf wackiness, the producers are really that concerned about making sure the Foot ninjas are appropriately modernized and realistic despite not looking like any sort of ninjas we have ever seen in any TMNT media (or any media, period, really) or would expect to see?

Look, we all know how Bay likes his military guys and military-esque battles... I don't think we need to look much deeper than that into things. "How can we get the military involved in the TMNT movie??" "Well, there is a Foot Clan with Foot SOLDIERS... maybe we can do something there..."

Not arguing that. Merely pointing out that ninjas in military fatigues isn't as far fetched as people make it out to be. Again, not arguing for realisim, this is a movie. These particular ninjas, in this particular film, probably are a result of Bay's love of military.

[Xav]

I don't see why traditional ninjas can't work, Batman Begins and GI Joe did it.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Xav

I don't see why traditional ninjas can't work, Batman Begins did it.

The league of assasins wore traditional ninja gear and weilded traditional weapons in other parts of the world, but during the final battle in gotham they were wearing army-esque outfits, and weilding modern weapons