Does anyone see any 4Kids influence at all in this show?

[Andrew NDB]

I'm just curious, because I don't really see any.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

The fact that it can be dark at times.

Also, karai is shredder's (adoptive) daughter.

The fact that Leo sees good in karai, and tried to persuade her to leave the shredder.

[Garfield]

Karai being a daughter figure to SHredder and being loyal to him. That was a concept that originated in the 4 Kids toon.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The fact that the turtles travel the surface at night, Raph slapping Mikey, Leo trusting in Karai while Raph hates her, Shredder being a mysterious dark figure with a dojo, Leatherhead being an alley, Mikey befriending Leatherhead, April learning martial arts, Raph and Mikey making fun of each other, the foot wearing the same outfits (of which both shows got from the movies), Chris Bradford/Dog Pound is a lot like Hun, so many more.

I think this show is more like the 2k3 show than in is the OT. What is there really from the old toon besides the turtles' love for pizza, the original theme song, Metalhead, Krang, General Tragg, Dimension X, the Technodrome, and Baxter being mutated into a fly?

[Konchadunga]

Yes, although mainly to a fault. I don't have the 4Kids episode fresh in my head, but from what I remember, the new show's introduction of Leatherhead is so similar it was actually kind of boring. Also, the 4Kids take on Karai has obviously become the take; this one isn't identical to it, but certainly closer than to the Mirage version. I really hate how she's become the Talia of the series.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

How so, if you mind me asking?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

The fact that the turtles travel the surface at night, Raph slapping Mikey, Leo trusting in Karai while Raph hates her, Shredder being a mysterious dark figure with a dojo, Leatherhead being an alley, Mikey befriending Leatherhead, April learning martial arts, Raph and Mikey making fun of each other, the foot wearing the same outfits (of which both shows got from the movies), Chris Bradford/Dog Pound is a lot like Hun, so many more.

I feel like all of the things you mention are either coincidental or stemming from a light, general Mirage influence. With the possible exception of Karai as a daughter figure to Shredder from 4Kids finding its way here, I really don't see anything else as coming exclusively from 4Kids.

I think this show is more like the 2k3 show than in is the OT. What is there really from the old toon besides the turtles' love for pizza, the original theme song, Metalhead, Krang, General Tragg, Dimension X, the Technodrome, and Baxter being mutated into a fly?

Aside from those things? That right there is already a lot, but let's see... yeah, the way the mutagen functions, Mutagen Man, general tone of the show, the outlandish vehicles, and anyone who can sit here and honestly think that Bebop and Rocksteady won't be showing up at some point is out of their mind.

[Ninjinister]

Nothing overt outside of recycling the name Spider Bytez from an unused Back to the Sewer action figure.

[pannoni1]

*Baxter's human design. However, this will be forgotten after his mutation.
*April, while showing some OT influences (shirt color, a damsel in distress in the finale), shows 4kids-like skills plus doesn't appear in nearly every episode. The arrival of Casey Jones as perhaps a serious love interest is possible.
*26-episode seasons.

That said, I find approximately equal OT and 4kids influence (with Mirage influences such as Leatherhead, Baxter), and some Movie influences (The Foot).

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I think overall that the Nick show has a similar "feel" to the 2003 series, much more so than the Fred Wolf show. Nickelodeon simply has more confidence in the brand created by Fred Wolf than to dismiss it, unlike Peter Laird, who was more concerned with making a cartoon that HE'D watch than he was with making money. People seem to be a lot more turtle crazy since the advent of the Nick show than they did during the years 2003 through 2006.

[Shark_Blade]

Nope.

There's lots of OT influence though which is all good to me.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by ***The One True Shredder***

People seem to be a lot more turtle crazy since the advent of the Nick show than they did during the years 2003 through 2006.

Mind if I ask where? Not stirring sh*t, just honestly wondering. I mean I know for a fact it's fairly popular, but among peers my own age (in real life I mean, not on this forum) all of my friends/co-workers have the same level of indifference that they had in 2003, and while some of their kids are marginally interested I'm not quite seeing anything close to "Turtle-Crazy". I'd say the only significant difference between now and 10 years ago, is that literally every kid in America watches Nick, while not every kid was able to see the 2K3 show, so awareness might be a little higher. But just like 2003, I'm not seeing lots of kids running around with their TMNT shirts on or begging their parents to buy them the toys. Some, but nothing close to being a "phenomenon".

I'd say the level of enthusiasm for this show and the 2K3 show when it was new are about even, but Nick having a wider advertising net makes it seem like it's a bigger deal than it is.

[CyberCubed]

I thought it was obvious Karai being Shredder's adopted daughter was taken directly from the 4kids series.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm surprised noone mentioned the Purple Dragons being a recurring gang in the show, as well as them being part of the Foot. In Mirage they were just some random street gang the Turtles fought in the first pages of Mirage, and nothing more.

[Technogeek29]

The Dragons wearing a Purple tattoo is something the 4kids introduced than later in Mirage around Vol 4. Also the parallel between Leo and Donnie with who they like. So yeah Donnie liking April was subtly introduced in 2k3, while it was obvious Leo like Karai or at least believe she was good.

Mikey being into video games came from 2k3 Mikey, but 2k12 doesn't seem to share the same extreme enthusiasm.

[tylerdavies]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I think this show is more like the 2k3 show than in is the OT. What is there really from the old toon besides the turtles' love for pizza, the original theme song, Metalhead, Krang, General Tragg, Dimension X, the Technodrome, and Baxter being mutated into a fly?

I think he means how the show's structure is played out. I have only seen a couple episodes of the 80's show and looking up stuff about it. To me it just felt like all of the episodes are filler episodes with not much of the overarching plot design as the 4kids show.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

It's an aged cartoon. It's really hard to sit down and watch an episode of the 80s cartoon, these days. Mind you, I still love it but the other 2 are better.

[Jester]

There is no "better." Just "different."

[Vivi]

Some of the minor physical differences between the turtles in FF and BTTS seem to have infiltrated into the new show.

[miru]

*Karai being Shredder's daughter.
*The dark, moody visual approach
*50% or so of mutants are horrific mindless beasts, and even some of the sapient ones are not exactly pleasing to the eye.
*The turtles going pupil-less on occasion.
*A number of Mirage elements used on 4Kids are again used here.