Why are the new movie designs good in peoples' eyes when Next Mutation's weren't?

[MST3KFan]

I'm just curious since we've seen a lot of comparisons of the new movie designs to the Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation series.

I can see the similarities in the new turtles, but I recall Next Mutation didn't go beyond one season.

Did people hate the NM designs?
If so, was it because of Power Rangers, even though that show was on the decline as well?
Was Venus basically the big issue given how much she was pushed on the show?

[Chris]

To be fair, whilst the costumes for TNM weren't the best, for a 90s kids TV show budget they were pretty good.

Venus is very divisive. She's certainly not needed, but she alone didn't sink TNM, that was down to one thing - it was a bad show.

[Bossa Nova]

Personally, I don't even really dislike TNM designs themselves, it was the costumes that did it in for me. They just looked way too cheap. The new movie doesn't have that issue with all the money being poured into its digital effects.

[turtlefanforever]

I never had a problem with them, and people accept this new movie as a new turtleverse but they don't really do that with the next mutation. I don't get it. I'd take TNM designs over these any day of the week. Plus you gotta think if the original movies and TNM had this kind of budget their designs would be above and beyond.

[ironman29758]

Originally Posted by MST3KFan

I'm just curious since we've seen a lot of comparisons of the new movie designs to the Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation series.

I can see the similarities in the new turtles, but I recall Next Mutation didn't go beyond one season.

Did people hate the NM designs?
If so, was it because of Power Rangers, even though that show was on the decline as well?
Was Venus basically the big issue given how much she was pushed on the show?

I agree with previous posts, despite TV Budget the costumes were decent if not a little cheap and if it had a bigger budget it could be one of the best Turtle designs. I also think despite a few flaws, in figures the Turtles look pretty great but it's the poster that I dislike. Venus I dislike about the show among other things but the costumes wasn't what made me dislike the show.

In Space was one of the best seasons of Power Rangers to me and brought the Power Rangers out of decline despite it was suppose to be the last season.

[Powder]

Then, people were just coming off of the OT and Mirage vol. 2/Image vol. 3 comics. So lots of cool stuff. They could afford to be critical.

Now it's a matter of a bunch of entitled 20 somethings that want something 'for them' even though they're completely passing over the Nick series, assuming it's for kids. They like change for the sake of change, and pretentious 'badass' concepts, because it makes them feel like the property is growing up with them. Their nostalgia for the property in clouding their judgement. They're just happy to see turtles.

Granted there are many who genuinely like the designs, my guess is that the masses fall under the above description. I for the record like TNM's designs and I did like the scale models of this new film, just not the poster versions.

[Anton Chigurh]

Originally Posted by Powder

Then, people were just coming off of the OT and Mirage vol. 2/Image vol. 3 comics. So lots of cool stuff. They could afford to be critical.

Now it's a matter of a bunch of entitled 20 somethings that want something 'for them' even though they're completely passing over the Nick series, assuming it's for kids. They like change for the sake of change, and pretentious 'badass' concepts, because it makes them feel like the property is growing up with them. Their nostalgia for the property in clouding their judgement. They're just happy to see turtles.

Granted there are many who genuinely like the designs, my guess is that the masses fall under the above description. I for the record like TNM's designs and I did like the scale models of this new film, just not the poster versions.

I agree 100% with your last paragraph.

[Shark_Blade]

Cause the Next Mutation's design sucks?

[ProactiveMan]

I remember liking the Next Mutation when it was on TV, and I haven't seen it in about 15 years, but the turtle designs now strike me as too 'designy'. I'm not a fan of their armour like plastrons in particular. Aside from that they're OK.

The Next Mutation designs are only superficially similar to the 2014 movie designs. They both have bandaged forelimbs, larger masks, and loads of unnecessary straps and things, but the overall feel is different.

[TerranigmaFreak]

Yeah, I liked the Next Mutation's designs for the most part. Those designs were different enough, but still very TMNT. As other have said, they are a little cheap, but it is a TV show.

[Kurai]

Originally Posted by Powder

Then, people were just coming off of the OT and Mirage vol. 2/Image vol. 3 comics. So lots of cool stuff. They could afford to be critical.

Now it's a matter of a bunch of entitled 20 somethings that want something 'for them' even though they're completely passing over the Nick series, assuming it's for kids. They like change for the sake of change, and pretentious 'badass' concepts, because it makes them feel like the property is growing up with them. Their nostalgia for the property in clouding their judgement. They're just happy to see turtles.

Granted there are many who genuinely like the designs, my guess is that the masses fall under the above description. I for the record like TNM's designs and I did like the scale models of this new film, just not the poster versions.

Very true, but I'm pretty much the opposite; I'm following both the IDW comics and the Nick series but are planning to skip this movie; there's currently two awesome incarnations of the Turtles on the go at the moment, so I'm still getting my Turtles fix. As I have said before, this movie looks like Michael Bay's version of the Fred Wolf show (which I'm not a fan of, while I respect it for breaking the franchise through into the mainstream).

As for The Next Mutation, I watched it as a kid, but don't remember it so much now. I tried watching the first episode once, but I couldn't get through it

[snake]

They both suck honestly. Next mutation was a product of a bad tv show handled by the wrong company.

[chrisdude]

As a kid, the designs for TNM was the only thing I did like about that show... I remember feeling bad for not liking the show, so I kept watching anyway.

[Candy Kappa]

The NM deigns are miles above the new movie designs, but I still don't like them all that much. Their plastron is a bit to human muscle looking for my taste, especially when the second upper scutes resembles the way the rib cage shows on a human.

[shinefra]

Originally Posted by snake

They both suck honestly. Next mutation was a product of a bad tv show handled by the wrong company.

Agree but I think this new ones are even worse

[CyberCubed]

The Next Mutation designs were actually pretty good for a cheaply made kids show. Even the bandana changes were actually done well.

[rickwj324]

I agree that the next mutation suits looked much cheaper than the previous live action stuff, but those designs are much closer to what the turtles should look like than the 2014 movie designs. I would accept a more realistic design based on TNM over these horrid new costumes any day.

[bgb1018]

Originally Posted by Powder

Then, people were just coming off of the OT and Mirage vol. 2/Image vol. 3 comics. So lots of cool stuff. They could afford to be critical.

Now it's a matter of a bunch of entitled 20 somethings that want something 'for them' even though they're completely passing over the Nick series, assuming it's for kids. They like change for the sake of change, and pretentious 'badass' concepts, because it makes them feel like the property is growing up with them. Their nostalgia for the property in clouding their judgement. They're just happy to see turtles.

Granted there are many who genuinely like the designs, my guess is that the masses fall under the above description. I for the record like TNM's designs and I did like the scale models of this new film, just not the poster versions.

I'm 24, and I personally like the new designs (within reason). Yes, I will admit they are over done and VERY busy for no reason, but they still aren't awful. The way the turtles look in the OT and the comics will always be the turtles and how they should look in my eyes. TNM wasn't bad either. None of them looked like 'badasses', which is what a lot of people that like the new designs are saying they like about it unfortunately.

I don't think that change should happen for the sake of change either. Cause with the turtles, they have an iconic look that you can change but should do sparingly. I'll agree that the poster versions of the new designs were completely over the top and devoid of subtlety. The scale models on the other hand, looked great since they looked like the actual turtles that I grew up with, with MINIMAL change.

But its looking more and more like the poster designs are what we'll be seeing. One of two things will happen from this, 1) people (who like it AND dislike it now) will end up loving it and the movie and its sequels will do well. OR 2) the designs will completely ruin the movies and the movies will bomb from the lack of interest from die hard fans and new fans alike. And if the second happens (at this point, it seems the most likely), then the series has the chance to be picked up in the future and given the respect and competence that it deserves, at least I hope this is what happens.

On a side note, I wish they would have just went with the same type of turtles and turtle suits that they used for the original turtle movies. I'm pretty sure everyone, or damn near everyone, would be happy at that point.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by bgb1018

On a side note, I wish they would have just went with the same type of turtles and turtle suits that they used for the original turtle movies. I'm pretty sure everyone, or damn near everyone, would be happy at that point.

Ya know, I'm not sure if I agree with this. There was a time where I felt that way, but now, maybe not. While I pretty much hate the new designs (in the poster, anyway), I'm kinda glad we're not getting a more classic look. This film is lining up to be a polished turd, with its white-washing, shallow leads, bastardized origins, etc. It's probably for the best that they not relieve their bowels on the legacy of the turtles by masking something so horrid with good turtle designs, you know? At least this presumably crappy take will be wholly theirs, and not a riff on something familiar.

[bgb1018]

Originally Posted by Powder

Ya know, I'm not sure if I agree with this. There was a time where I felt that way, but now, maybe not. While I pretty much hate the new designs (in the poster, anyway), I'm kinda glad we're not getting a more classic look. This film is lining up to be a polished turd, with its white-washing, shallow leads, bastardized origins, etc. It's probably for the best that they not relieve their bowels on the legacy of the turtles by masking something so horrid with good turtle designs, you know? At least this presumably crappy take will be wholly theirs, and not a riff on something familiar.

Now that you highlighted everything that's seemingly going wrong so far, I actually agree that them not going the classic route is a good thing.