The Cartoons, and subsequent Cinematic Legacies

[FellowChucker]

Think about it, the level of popularity of each animated series is exemplified in their big screen legacy.

The Wolf Toon's popularity inspired 3x insanely popular live action 90's films.
The 2k3 series popularity led to luke warm, animated 2007 film.

And now the Nick Toon's popularity inspired a new, big budget, live action reboot. Is there potential here for the Nick Toon to have inspired a better cinematic legacy than even the Wolf Toon? I'm sure this reboot will outperform the 90's films box office wise. Quality wise it will probably trump all the previous films apart from the 1990 original.

How many decent quality films produced by PD can we as fans potentially expect? I feel TMNT is inherently stronger material than Transformers, and even has a stronger mass, and niche appeal. Could we see 4 films from this new branch of the franchise?

[Refractive Reflections]

If the franchise maintains its current momentum, and the first film isn't a box office bomb, we could probably expect two more films for a trilogy.

The only thing I would question would be the degree of success these PD films and the Nick series contribute to the franchise when compared to Turtlemania, after inflation-adjustment, because TMNT still hasn't made quite the impact onto the adult mainstream yet that Turtlemania did in the past. This movie is its big chance to either succeed or fail in doing so.

I'm predicting it will be successful since most Bay-associated films are, but the fact that so many aspects of the film (from what we've seen) has been taken to extremes (extreme strength, extreme visual stereotyping, etc.), it won't be met with any type of critical respect by movie critics, reinforcing the stereotypical notion amongst the general public that TMNT is for the "comic nerd demographic and young kids".

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

And now the Nick Toon's popularity inspired a new, big budget, live action reboot.

Personally I thought "30 years" may have been more of the inspiration. When did they start the initial pre-production of this vs when the new Nick series started?

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

And now the Nick Toon's popularity inspired a new, big budget, live action reboot.

Not true. This movie was put into production immediately after the Nickelodeon purchase just like the new cartoon.

[Leolead]

Anyone notice the turtles have similar skin tones to the nick show?.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

I feel TMNT is inherently stronger material than Transformers, and even has a stronger mass, and niche appeal. Could we see 4 films from this new branch of the franchise?

I am sooo glad you said that.. Bc I agree 100%. I believe that TMNT, at the end of this "trilogy" has the potential to out perform the Transformers series. I definitely can see us getting 4 TMNT films and just the thought of it makes me very... VERY excited.
I actually hope Bay takes over for TMNT 2. He's rumored to be leaving the Transformers franchise.. So I hope he makes TMNT his #1 priority

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Not true. This movie was put into production immediately after the Nickelodeon purchase just like the new cartoon.

Well I think Nick knew what they were doing and that these two projects were mutually exclusive. It's obvious that the film has taken some inspiration from the cartoon and will feed off of some of it's success. Yes it was put into production but the cartoon still had two years to build popularity for the franchise.. which would obviously help the film when it came to pulling in a new generation of kids. So in a way.. it is true imo

The film we are getting in August is a completely different film from what Peter Laired and John Fusco were planning..

[DevilSpooky]

Unless this movie does really good money I don't see them making anymore movies anytime soon, and who can blame them? Ever since they announced this everyone is just complaining and whinning about it so why bother?

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Unless this movie does really good money I don't see them making anymore movies anytime soon, and who can blame them? Ever since they announced this everyone is just complaining and whinning about it so why bother?

Imo.. A small vocal minority are complaining.. and that minority will get smaller and smaller as they market this film and release better trailers like the one we just saw. Trust me I see WAY more people excited for this on Facebook, Twitter and other social media sites.. Even this site where it seems that most people are negative.. look at the poll.. BY FAR most people will be there in the theatres to see it.. even on opening night.. I just think that the negative folks are more consistent in stating their opinions than someone excited to see it.. They usually just say " YES!!! im so going to see this" and then move on. Others that hate it on forums and social media? Will state their reasons over and over and over again. It's just the way it is imo.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Imo.. A small vocal minority are complaining.. and that minority will get smaller and smaller as they market this film and release better trailers like the one we just saw.

Well, a shirking amount of complaints I feel may also be in large part to people simply settling down with their criticism after having this long at this point to deal with it.

Had I ended up on here sooner I'd have prob had more of my own say (and made a more negative first impression lol), esp with reading over all the threads and posts I was lurking on. But it took a number of days for my account to get accepted and really it was probably for the best. My opinion has not changed, but the wait gave my feelings over what I don't like time to cool off first. I imagine I'm not the only one who has calmed down by now, even if I still have the same complaint.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Well, a shirking amount of complaints I feel may also be in large part to people simply settling down with their criticism after having this long at this point to deal with it.

Had I ended up on here sooner I'd have prob had more of my own say (and made a more negative first impression lol), esp with reading over all the threads and posts I was lurking on. But it took a number of days for my account to get accepted and really it was probably for the best. My opinion has not changed, but the wait gave my feelings over what I don't like time to cool off first. I imagine I'm not the only one who has calmed down by now, even if I still have the same complaint.

Don't get me wrong.. some complaints are totally justified.. but context makes a big difference depending on the complaint. That's all I'm really saying.

I wonder why it took so long for your account to be accepted?
Did it really take day?

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

I wonder why it took so long for your account to be accepted?
Did it really take day?

Dunno, five days. Even though a message said to contact if it wasn't within 48 hours and I didn't bother. Challenge my patience... challenge accepted, beginners stuff.

[UGHShellshocked]

Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Unless this movie does really good money I don't see them making anymore movies anytime soon, and who can blame them? Ever since they announced this everyone is just complaining and whinning about it so why bother?

There hasn't been any communication between the fanbase and the studios, there has been no announcements and no use of social media to actually promote this film. I bet the complaints and whines are falling on deaf ears.

[Radical Raph]

I would be really upset if we finally get a good turtles movie and nobody goes to see it so there aren't any sequels.

I hope the people prejudging the movie will at least give it a shot.

[Pondslider]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Imo.. A small vocal minority are complaining.. and that minority will get smaller and smaller as they market this film and release better trailers like the one we just saw. Trust me I see WAY more people excited for this on Facebook, Twitter and other social media sites.. Even this site where it seems that most people are negative.. look at the poll.. BY FAR most people will be there in the theatres to see it.. even on opening night.. I just think that the negative folks are more consistent in stating their opinions than someone excited to see it.. They usually just say " YES!!! im so going to see this" and then move on. Others that hate it on forums and social media? Will state their reasons over and over and over again. It's just the way it is imo.

A lot of casual fans will watch something and say, "this looks stupid" and forget about it with no intention of seeing it or just simply ignore it altogether, too. This is site is not an accurate representation of the public. We'll see how it does at the box office after the reviews come in most of the other big name movies have already been out for weeks. I've never said for sure that it's going to bomb, but I think it's got a lot working against it almost regardless of the actual quality.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

I would be really upset if we finally get a good turtles movie and nobody goes to see it so there aren't any sequels.

I hope the people prejudging the movie will at least give it a shot.

It won't be a good movie so you don't have much to worry about.


As for a the other post it won't just be casual fans thinking it looks stupid and skip it. It will also be the more serious hardcore fans and people that roughly remember the old cartoon that will also think it's stupid.

Because it is stupid. This movie is the equivalent of having batman and the joker fight it out in batman/joker inspired mechs.... And make it look like that's the way it always should have been.

[CyberCubed]

Why would anyone want a trilogy of this god awful movie? Let this movie bomb and be buried like Next Mutation.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why would anyone want a trilogy of this god awful movie? Let this movie bomb and be buried like Next Mutation.

edit: The people on this forum are really starting to piss me off

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why would anyone want a trilogy of this god awful movie? Let this movie bomb and be buried like Next Mutation.

Agreed. The longer it takes to end this travesty, the longer it will take to make a proper reboot. Just imagine if Joel Schumaker made more Batman movies. We never would have gotten the Nolan trilogy.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The longer it takes to end this travesty, the longer it will take to make a proper reboot.

I dunno, if it was a different team of people, as one would assume, heck, they could start writing it tomorrow. (Now if that conflicts with who's allowed to do what when with this franchise, uh..)

[MrTMNT2012]

I didn't know CyberCubed and Coola Yahami already saw this movie! When did that happen?

Or are they just talking out of their asses again? Gonna go with the latter seeing how time travel has not been invented yet...