"Fans unhappy with changes" in the new movie

*THGhost* · 08-07-2014, 05:07 PM

In an interview with Megan Fox she talked about fans being "unhappy with changes" made the mythology.

I have a question regarding this:

Changes to the mythology have been made to every iteration of TMNT ever since the original comics. So what exactly were fans expecting from this? A 100% remake of the comics or 80s cartoon? Don't be absurd.

*Autbot_Benz* · 08-07-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by THGhost

In an interview with Megan Fox she talked about fans being "unhappy with changes" made the mythology.

I have a question regarding this:

Changes to the mythology have been made to every iteration of TMNT ever since the original comics. So what exactly were fans expecting from this? A 100% remake of the comics or 80s cartoon? Don't be absurd.

fans upset with changes sound like the nostalgic 80's cartoon and 90's movie turtle lovers who are stuck in a time warp. Just my Opinion

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 08-07-2014, 05:13 PM

Well, I'd rather have Raphael be a bad-ass martial artist (ala Jason Statham or such) instead of an 'Incredible Hulk' guy who only does that...Super Turtle/Hulk stuff...and instead perhaps use his Martial arts (which he's done in Every Single Aspect in the past) and apparently was trained for over a decade in but doesn't really use (at least according to some folks who saw the film already and told me about it, and I trust their opinion, and others confirmed that).

So that's one change I wouldn't be happy with...Mikey being turned into 'he farts and that's funny' guy or 'getting his shell tightened' by seeing Megan Fox' would be another change I'd be unhappy with as well...

Plus, how many times do people have to say the same song & dance...some folks simply aren't fans of the new designs and they don't care about the 'it's more realistic' argument'. Their Opinions are not always going to be the same as your opinions.

If you, Megan Fox, and others like it? Cool. But if she (or anyone) thinks that every single person would be fine and dandy with it, then they are only fooling themselves.

Werecat · 08-07-2014, 05:14 PM

I don't mind changes and I don't think "those fans" dislike change either. They dislike the show because instead of improving the story line by filling plot holes and adding more complex characterization they choose to change the plot just for the sake of change. Changes should only be done if it fixes the plot hole or improves the character. Change should never corrupt the original experience.

*TrickOrTreater* · 08-07-2014, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

fans upset with changes sound like the nostalgic 80's cartoon and 90's movie turtle lovers who are stuck in a time warp. Just my Opinion

Or people who are sick of douchebags ******** all over characters they love because the property isn't good enough for them in the first place.

The douchebags I'm talking about are Michael Bay and Jonathan Liebesman.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to the library to rent a book about martial arts to become a ninja master.

terrorblade · 08-07-2014, 05:20 PM

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Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to the library to rent a book about martial arts to become a ninja master.

Make sure that there will be no rat watching you because he might become a better ninja master than you.

*TrickOrTreater* · 08-07-2014, 05:24 PM

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Make sure that there will be no rat watching you because he might become a better ninja master than you.

That'd just be incredibly silly. Who could possibly think of such a dumb idea.

SwiftNinjaFox · 08-07-2014, 05:27 PM

Or maybe fans don't like the TYPE of changes made to the mythology?

A lot of people don't like the "every character is intertwined and their pasts are all connected" alterations. That's been a big gripe with the Spider-Man origin changes. Instead of random circumstances and an accident, there's an almost destiny aspect to it and a lot of people don't like that.

Even the IDW storyline keeps the completely accidental aspect, but from what I've glimpsed, the movie REALLY makes everything tightly connected between April, the turtles, Splinter, and how she relates to their past and origins.

I've even read some comments that seem to suggest there's no real indication of Hamato Yoshi/Oroku Saki history explored in the film. Dunno if that's true. I'll find out in 30 minutes. Well, starting in 30 minutes.

*Shark_Blade* · 08-07-2014, 05:28 PM

Can't deal with changes? Let it go, move on.

SwiftNinjaFox · 08-07-2014, 05:31 PM

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Can't deal with changes? Let it go, move on.

Wouldn't that suggest nobody has the right to have an opinion on Coming Out of Their Shells, TMNT 3, or The Next Mutation as well?

*TurtleTitan97* · 08-07-2014, 05:33 PM

Of course people are gonna upset by the changes. They turned the Foot, a ninja clan, into a paramilitary, Shredder into basically a robo-ninja, just like what happen to Silver Samurai in The Wolverine, and for some reason decided to go ahead and radically redesign the Turtles and put all this unnecessary junk on them when the could have just simply retain the classic elements of their designs. Personally, the Turtles in the OOTS video game would be my ideal design for a live action ninja turtles movies.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 08-07-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Wouldn't that suggest nobody has the right to have an opinion on Coming Out of Their Shells, TMNT 3, or The Next Mutation as well?

And the alien/Shredder in the 2003 Cartoon.

It's not just 'it's different, and that's it'.

The Context of it, personal tastes, types of changes, and many more are part of the equation as well...

Werecat · 08-07-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

That'd just be incredibly silly. Who could possibly think of such a dumb idea.

http://i.imgur.com/HU9mVbC.gif?1

I guess all animals are dumb since they learn from watching. Especially apes, how dare they learn just from watching. Don't the apes know they need an education system and multiple teachers in order to teach them to hit one block all fancy like!

*TrickOrTreater* · 08-07-2014, 05:41 PM

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I guess all animals are dumb since they learn from watching. Especially apes, how dare they learn just from watching. Don't the apes know they need an education system and multiple teachers in order to teach them to hit one block all fancy like!

Sigh.

Spoilers for anybody who cares:

Spoiler:

*THGhost* · 08-07-2014, 05:45 PM

How about Hamato Yoshi either being a member of the Foot Ninja Clan with a pet rat, or actually being the pet rat of a member of the Foot Ninja Clan?

*TrickOrTreater* · 08-07-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by THGhost

How about Hamato Yoshi either being a member of the Foot Ninja Clan with a pet rat, or actually being the pet rat of a member of the Foot Ninja Clan?

Literally either one of those would have been better.

Werecat · 08-07-2014, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Sigh.

Spoilers for anybody who cares:

Spoiler:

Do you like not read or watch any science article at all? I am guessing no because the thought of imitating is absurd. Well guess what. Everything that exists today is absurd! Experts said radios would never exist. Experts said the atomic bomb would never go off. Experts said the internet would never exist.

Now todays experts are wise enough to not be so pessimistic because now they understand the three laws!

1 When a distinguished but elderly scientist states something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2 The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible
3 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Perhaps the lore of the turtle bros doesn't need a pessimistic mindset. Instead the lore requires a curious mind who is willing to make sense of the absurd.

Edit: Also do you not understand I am not being serious. I do not treat TMNT like politics, that is just silly.

*TrickOrTreater* · 08-07-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Werecat

Do you like not read or watch any science article at all? I am guessing no because the thought of imitating is absurd. Well guess what. Everything that exists today is absurd! Experts said radios would never exist. Experts said the atomic bomb would never go off. Experts said the internet would never exist.

Now todays experts are wise enough to not be so pessimistic because now they understand the three laws!

1 When a distinguished but elderly scientist states something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2 The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible
3 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Perhaps the lore of the turtle bros doesn't need a pessimistic mindset. Instead the lore requires a curious mind who is willing to make sense of the absurd.

Edit: Also do you not understand I am being not being serious. I do not treat TMNT like politics, that is just silly.

What is happening.

Xiewin · 08-07-2014, 05:56 PM

I heard that the script was rewritten 4 times? Is this true? if so, no wonder the movie turned out to be a mess.

terrorblade · 08-07-2014, 05:57 PM

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What is happening.

Real life ninja turtles.

08-07-2014, 05:07 PM	#1
THGhost Puppet Master Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: UK Posts: 2,825	"Fans unhappy with changes" in the new movie In an interview with Megan Fox she talked about fans being "unhappy with changes" made the mythology. I have a question regarding this: Changes to the mythology have been made to every iteration of TMNT ever since the original comics. So what exactly were fans expecting from this? A 100% remake of the comics or 80s cartoon? Don't be absurd. __________________ - - - 1990 > OotS > TMNT 2014 > Turtles Forever > TMNT III > SotO > TMNT 2007 "Can't we all just get along?" - pennydreadful "...bitchy people are what make fan forums insufferable when they don't need to be." - B-Man "Act like freakin' adults for goodness sake." - Jester "Tough guys with tiny voices." - Commenter 42

08-07-2014, 05:27 PM	#8
SwiftNinjaFox Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Texas Posts: 924	Or maybe fans don't like the TYPE of changes made to the mythology? A lot of people don't like the "every character is intertwined and their pasts are all connected" alterations. That's been a big gripe with the Spider-Man origin changes. Instead of random circumstances and an accident, there's an almost destiny aspect to it and a lot of people don't like that. Even the IDW storyline keeps the completely accidental aspect, but from what I've glimpsed, the movie REALLY makes everything tightly connected between April, the turtles, Splinter, and how she relates to their past and origins. I've even read some comments that seem to suggest there's no real indication of Hamato Yoshi/Oroku Saki history explored in the film. Dunno if that's true. I'll find out in 30 minutes. Well, starting in 30 minutes. __________________ Ninja Fox Games & Geekery: http://ninjafoxgames..com/

08-07-2014, 05:33 PM	#11
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	Of course people are gonna upset by the changes. They turned the Foot, a ninja clan, into a paramilitary, Shredder into basically a robo-ninja, just like what happen to Silver Samurai in The Wolverine, and for some reason decided to go ahead and radically redesign the Turtles and put all this unnecessary junk on them when the could have just simply retain the classic elements of their designs. Personally, the Turtles in the OOTS video game would be my ideal design for a live action ninja turtles movies. __________________

08-07-2014, 05:45 PM	#15
THGhost Puppet Master Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: UK Posts: 2,825	How about Hamato Yoshi either being a member of the Foot Ninja Clan with a pet rat, or actually being the pet rat of a member of the Foot Ninja Clan? __________________ - - - 1990 > OotS > TMNT 2014 > Turtles Forever > TMNT III > SotO > TMNT 2007 "Can't we all just get along?" - pennydreadful "...bitchy people are what make fan forums insufferable when they don't need to be." - B-Man "Act like freakin' adults for goodness sake." - Jester "Tough guys with tiny voices." - Commenter 42

08-07-2014, 05:13 PM	#3
Ramboraph4life aka Matt Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Liberty, Iowa Posts: 1,234	Well, I'd rather have Raphael be a bad-ass martial artist (ala Jason Statham or such) instead of an 'Incredible Hulk' guy who only does that...Super Turtle/Hulk stuff...and instead perhaps use his Martial arts (which he's done in Every Single Aspect in the past) and apparently was trained for over a decade in but doesn't really use (at least according to some folks who saw the film already and told me about it, and I trust their opinion, and others confirmed that). So that's one change I wouldn't be happy with...Mikey being turned into 'he farts and that's funny' guy or 'getting his shell tightened' by seeing Megan Fox' would be another change I'd be unhappy with as well... Plus, how many times do people have to say the same song & dance...some folks simply aren't fans of the new designs and they don't care about the 'it's more realistic' argument'. Their Opinions are not always going to be the same as your opinions. If you, Megan Fox, and others like it? Cool. But if she (or anyone) thinks that every single person would be fine and dandy with it, then they are only fooling themselves.

08-07-2014, 05:14 PM	#4
Werecat Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 266	I don't mind changes and I don't think "those fans" dislike change either. They dislike the show because instead of improving the story line by filling plot holes and adding more complex characterization they choose to change the plot just for the sake of change. Changes should only be done if it fixes the plot hole or improves the character. Change should never corrupt the original experience.

08-07-2014, 05:28 PM	#9
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Can't deal with changes? Let it go, move on.

08-07-2014, 05:56 PM	#19
Xiewin Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 900	I heard that the script was rewritten 4 times? Is this true? if so, no wonder the movie turned out to be a mess.