Shredder's dumbass plan... *spoilers*

[Coola Yagami]

So um... how exactly was the Mutagen gonna cure people from their plague? It wouldn't frickin cure people, it would turn them into mutants. Why weren't they more surprised that the turtles and rat turned into humanoid things? THAT wasn't the intended purpose of the mutagen. You don't make the cure for the flu, and see it makes people grow a third eye, and then just handwave and issue it out as a cure anyway. Ordinary Turtles turning into walking talking monsters is a hell of a side effect, don't you think???

Why didn't they need Splinter? He was mutated just the same. How can they cure anyone if that plague kills people in seconds. The way Shredder was unleashing it on the city at large, there wouldn't be anyone left to pay their ransom demands. Why would the Mutagen even cure Splinter, instead of mutating him further?

[Gin Rummy]

Yeah I thought about that as well on the way home. It really doesen't make much sense. It's probably best not to think to deep on it. Unfortunatly this movies basic plot came far behind the humor, action scenes, & pretty colors.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Gin Rummy

Yeah I thought about that as well on the way home. It really doesen't make much sense. It's probably best not to think to deep on it. Unfortunatly this movies basic plot came far behind the humor, action scenes, & pretty colors.

It's hard to 'not think about it' because that's the whole reason behind the movie's plot, and that was the main reason Shredder wanted the Turtles captured and the main threat the Turtles wanted to stop. The final battle was all about stopping him from releasing the gas. It's too important a detail to just 'turn your brain off' for. It literally smacked my face with WTF over and over.

Didn't see any pretty colors, the action scenes minus Shredder sucked, and the humor minus the elevator be-box scene was so-so.

[Leo656]

As far as I'm aware, there was pizza in it and someone said "Cowabunga". So, as long as those major bases are covered, that's all that's important.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

And wouldn't someone, somewhere be smart enough to realize that the poison was emanating from the giant Sacks tower? Wouldn't people find that a little suspicious?

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Gin Rummy

It really doesen't make much sense. It's probably best not to think to deep on it.

And that's exactly what Platinum Dunes wants. Giving in to that line of thinking is exactly why we'll never get a good TMNT movie with them behind it.

[Shark_Blade]

For Splinter, it could be because of his age. Young blood is much preferable than old ones I reckon.

That or his hatred for Splinter is so much, he didn't care for him.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah... there are some things you just can't 'shut your brain off' over. Stuff like the Turtles themselves and how they would even exist and how they can afford all their gear.... yeah, that's stuff you kinda ignore for the sake of the movie. But the grand master plan that in turn explains why/how the Turtles were created in the first place.... yeah, no. How would they consider Mutagen a cure for anything, hell they even called it Mutagen, that's what it does, mutate.

I know they did something similar in the IDW, but there they specifically separate Mutagen and Ooze, making the Ooze by itself what has healing and curing properties, not that Mutagen.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

For Splinter, it could be because of his age. Young blood is much preferable than old ones I reckon.

That or his hatred for Splinter is so much, he didn't care for him.

But why? Why did Shredder hate Splinter so much? As far as we can tell, he long forgot about Splinter and the Turtles until April sent him down memory lane. And then again, why the hatred?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

For Splinter, it could be because of his age. Young blood is much preferable than old ones I reckon.

That or his hatred for Splinter is so much, he didn't care for him.

But WHY? He really had no reason to hate Splinter any more or less than the Turtles. There was no personal vendetta between the two in this version. Besides, if the turtles died or the procedure failed, they still had Splinter as a back up.

The age could be an answer but a simple two lines 'what about the rat' 'he's too old, the mutagen in his blood would be too weak' would suffice.

[Werecat]

The mutagen is described to have accelerated regenerative properties.

Erich Sachs was the one with the plan to infect the city.

[Leo656]

I'm not stirring sh*t, I just wanna know, from those who seen it already... does the final movie come off like the entire "script" was written on a napkin? Because it really, really seems like it based on the descriptions.

[Matt2310]

That comes in the sequel ... The truth shell come out

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Leo656

As far as I'm aware, there was pizza in it and someone said "Cowabunga". So, as long as those major bases are covered, that's all that's important.

That's a movie now! Aren't we lucky!?

Seriously, though - nothing in this movie made sense. Most of the Shredder and Krang's zany schemes in the '87 cartoon made more logical sense than the plot of this movie. And that's really saying something.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

So um... how exactly was the Mutagen gonna cure people from their plague? It wouldn't frickin cure people, it would turn them into mutants. Why weren't they more surprised that the turtles and rat turned into humanoid things? THAT wasn't the intended purpose of the mutagen. You don't make the cure for the flu, and see it makes people grow a third eye, and then just handwave and issue it out as a cure anyway. Ordinary Turtles turning into walking talking monsters is a hell of a side effect, don't you think???[i]

Sacks was already confident that "mutagen" would work as an antidote to the poison. And the effects that it had on animals was unexpected. So they must've already tested on people before the fire. A line of dialogue could've cleared all that up.

But even if it did mutate everybody, any side effect is better than the effects of that poison...

Why didn't they need Splinter? He was mutated just the same. How can they cure anyone if that plague kills people in seconds. The way Shredder was unleashing it on the city at large, there wouldn't be anyone left to pay their ransom demands. Why would the Mutagen even cure Splinter, instead of mutating him further?

If the poison is airborne, they just need to distribute the antidote before gets to you. So yeah, everybody nearby would die, but not the whole planet.

I don't understand leaving Splinter. Shredder was content to kill Splinter and leave Raph's body when they blew up the lair. Seems Shredder just dgaf...

Also, why drain all the turtle blood, instead of just keeping them captive for a while, and taking as much as you need? Why does this plan need to go into motion immediately? I imagine a lot of these questions would have been answered if the movie wasn't edited so heavily.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

If it was verbally stated in the movie that releasing the gas is eric's idea, then oh crap. If this is the case then I wish it would be omitted for dvd/blu ray release, this is bad cause it makes sachs look like the main boss instead of saki. *sighs

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Yeah... there are some things you just can't 'shut your brain off' over. Stuff like the Turtles themselves and how they would even exist and how they can afford all their gear.... yeah, that's stuff you kinda ignore for the sake of the movie. But the grand master plan that in turn explains why/how the Turtles were created in the first place.... yeah, no. How would they consider Mutagen a cure for anything, hell they even called it Mutagen, that's what it does, mutate.

I know they did something similar in the IDW, but there they specifically separate Mutagen and Ooze, making the Ooze by itself what has healing and curing properties, not that Mutagen.

Um, hello? People either donate their stuff or bag them up for the garbage men to collect. How they exist as is? The mutagen.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

How can they cure anyone if that plague kills people in seconds.

Man, can't believe I missed so obvious a plothole. Maybe bc the foot they forcibly exposed has direct inhalation from the source, where as once it's airborne it isn't as potent?

Maybe?

Spoiler:

nah, it would've killed everybody.

[IndigoErth]

For that matter, why did it take so long to mutate them in the first place?

[Electric]

what i understood it as:

Spoiler:

sacks and aprils father were messing with the mutagen, because it had "healing properties" and an antidote could be refined from it but her father found out about sacks working with shredder, so he burned the place down. the mutagen was destroyed, minus what was in the turtles and splinter which i thought was the raw mutagen, not the antidote, explaining their mutation. the mutagen wasnt the cure, it could be made into a cure.

as for shredder, releasing the toxin, from what i remember, sacks said that it would kill off a decent amount of the population over time. this would make it easier for the shredder and foot to take over, and the people that remained would buy the cure from sacks, so hed become rich.

from sacks dialogue this is what i got

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by ElectricN

what i understood it as:

Spoiler:

sacks and aprils father were messing with the mutagen, because it had "healing properties" and an antidote could be refined from it but her father found out about sacks working with shredder, so he burned the place down. the mutagen was destroyed, minus what was in the turtles and splinter which i thought was the raw mutagen, not the antidote, explaining their mutation. the mutagen wasnt the cure, it could be made into a cure.

as for shredder, releasing the toxin, from what i remember, sacks said that it would kill off a decent amount of the population over time. this would make it easier for the shredder and foot to take over, and the people that remained would buy the cure from sacks, so hed become rich.

from sacks dialogue this is what i got

though they were using the raw mutagen now, and they even used the raw mutagen on splinter, which should have mutated him further...