Dreamwave's TMNT #3 Discussion( SPOILERS)

LeSean · 08-13-2003, 12:05 PM

So? how was it?

i particularly enjoyed Peter David's spin on Baxter, and approach
to the alternate view on his perspective on the turtles and April O'Neil.

Thoughts anyone?

*Skeletoncrew* · 08-13-2003, 01:42 PM

I just got home with my copy!

I really love the history Peter David is giving the human characters, April in the last issue, and Baxter in this. Character developement makes stories, no matter what the format, so much richer. I can't wait to see what will be done with Hun and Oroku Saki. Just as I now have some sympathy for Baxter, and understanding of his motivations, I hope to have the same for other "evil" characters in this series. Saki's sighing comment "There's always a woman..." gives him a feeling of humanity, if just a little.

Other thoughts...

I like April's sweetly innocent appearance during her interview with Baxter.

Splinter covered in ooze is my favorite single image from this issue.

I LOVE seeing the Turtles out of their gear!!! No one wears their uniform full time, no matter what the profession. (Though I suppose one could argue that strippers are always naked under their clothing.)

"Memo to self: gloat quieter" Classic!

*Kid Icarus* · 08-13-2003, 01:55 PM

I loved it! Great idea starting a letters page too, and addressing the "is this a mini series comic?" thing.

The art, as always, was top notch. I was kinda supprised to see the turtles with out the bandanas on. Keep up the good work

*Skeletoncrew* · 08-13-2003, 02:03 PM

The facial expressions sans bandanas are really interesting. Don's "Ah, cut it out." face is cute! Perhaps LeSean might let us know whether or not he finds it more difficult to draw them bandana-less? I'm not much of a two-dimensional artist personally, but I would think it might be a bit more of a challenge to draw them without their standard facial covering. The bandana's help define the shape of thier faces.

**Karpo_007** · 08-13-2003, 03:00 PM

Due to expensive international shipping, I have to wait untill Mirage 11 comes out.

*Taloniss* · 08-13-2003, 05:00 PM

Sadly, my comic shop didn't get it yet, so I have to wait a bit longer

Sounds like a sweet issue though!

*Dane E5R* · 08-13-2003, 05:02 PM

Every issue just gets more and more amazing than the last. As you can see, I'm a Raphael mark, so I'm DEFINITELY anticipating issue 4. Peter David's writing style is incredible. I definitely sympathize with Baxter now, well, atleast I sympathize with this version, and I love the back stories these characters have been given thus far. And as always, LeSean's pencils are incredible. One of these days, I WILL posess that talent!!

Ninjatron · 08-13-2003, 06:12 PM

I loved it. However I have to b honest and say that i didn't really care to for the part where the turtles aren't wearing their bandanas. I won't bother to bring up why unless anyone asks me, but it did not detract from the whole, which I enjoyed a lot.

LeSean, you'll be at Canadian National Comic Book/Sci fi/Anime Expo, right? If so, I'd very much like to have a chat with you there, and perhaps show you some of my own artwork.

Oh, and one more thing: You draw April really cute. And I'm sure I'm not the only dude around here that thinks so.

Sayonara.

*JameO* · 08-13-2003, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Elite5Raph

Every issue just gets more and more amazing than the last. As you can see, I'm a Raphael mark, so I'm DEFINITELY anticipating issue 4. Peter David's writing style is incredible. I definitely sympathize with Baxter now, well, atleast I sympathize with this version, and I love the back stories these characters have been given thus far. And as always, LeSean's pencils are incredible. One of these days, I WILL posess that talent!!

Me too man! I can't wait till Issue 4! As for Issue 3 - It was just really good artwork and I liked the turtles without masks I guess it gave us something and the whole Baxter story and him being in high school was really cool and I like Peter David's approach.

*cqb101* · 08-13-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjatron

I loved it. However I have to b honest and say that i didn't really care to for the part where the turtles aren't wearing their bandanas. I won't bother to bring up why unless anyone asks me, but it did not detract from the whole, which I enjoyed a lot.

LeSean, you'll be at Canadian National Comic Book/Sci fi/Anime Expo, right? If so, I'd very much like to have a chat with you there, and perhaps show you some of my own artwork.

Oh, and one more thing: You draw April really cute. And I'm sure I'm not the only dude around here that thinks so.

Sayonara.

Can somebody scan a pic of April?

*Jephael* · 08-13-2003, 07:49 PM

Awesome issue, dude! I loved it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninjatron

I have to b honest and say that i didn't really care to for the part where the turtles aren't wearing their bandanas.

Yeah, that's my only gripe as well. I would've liked it if they had pupils. Aren't their eyes only supposed to be bleach white when they have their bandanas on?

Oh and CQB, I can scan an image of April for you then!

~~Leo656~~ · 08-13-2003, 07:52 PM

I like it. I don't get what people are complaining about. If anything, this actually "feels" more like TMNT than the Mirage book to me, if that makes any sense to anyone. Sure it "retells" the stories from the episodes, but from a different perspective and giving new depth to the stories themselves. Besides, it's only gonna be going on for a couple more issues anyway, then it's all original stories. I think some people are just giving up on this book too quickly. It's got one of the best comic writers ever in Peter David, and LeSean's art is infinitely better than Jim Lawson's (and in color, to boot)... what's not to like?

PAD sure shows off his skills in making Baxter almost sympathetic. He really seems good at that. I mean, he even kinda made Buzz likeable in "Supergirl" at one point... the guy's simply very good at what he does.

LeSean's art grows on me more every issue, and I'm not just saying that because I share half a name with him.

His females are quite well-done, and his turtles are really good too. My only gripe (and I mentioned it in another thread): The eyes. Blank white eyes with masks on, I can buy. I don't "get" it, but I can buy it. But without their masks on it makes NO sense for them to not have pupils... it just bugs me. I know it's just a nitpick though. Ah well.

Thumbs up on this one.

*Jephael* · 08-13-2003, 07:59 PM

Remember when Raph had his mask off in the cartoon episode that mirrored the Donatello Special? They didn't do a close-up of him, but it looked as if he had no pupils. I hope that's not what they're gonna be doing.

**Jo Dawn** · 08-13-2003, 09:49 PM

I liked this issue. I liked how they... "humanize" everyone, even the bad guys in the stories. Like Baxter. Even the 'bad guys' have a somewhat normal past, like his troubles in high school. I liked how there was the whole "April" thing, with the girl from Baxter's past and how he made the connection.

And the TMNT, well, everything with them is always great.

So, I guess it's safe to say that I just plain love the issue. (Like I couldn't have just said that in the first place, right?)

Jo

**Karpo_007** · 08-14-2003, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

I like it. I don't get what people are complaining about. If anything, this actually "feels" more like TMNT than the Mirage book to me, if that makes any sense to anyone. Sure it "retells" the stories from the episodes, but from a different perspective and giving new depth to the stories themselves. Besides, it's only gonna be going on for a couple more issues anyway, then it's all original stories. I think some people are just giving up on this book too quickly. It's got one of the best comic writers ever in Peter David, and LeSean's art is infinitely better than Jim Lawson's (and in color, to boot)... what's not to like?

Some people do like the more mature themed Mirage more, but fans of the new show shouldn't have anything to complain about. It catches the show's feeling very well and gives it more depth.

I also don't understand the complaining about Mirage. It's B&W because that has always been a very special part of the original TMNT. It's supposed to be nostalgic. Like everyone else I agree that Lawsson's old style was much better, but current gets the job done too.

Anyone have any idea when Mirage 11 is coming out?

Aztec General · 08-14-2003, 07:44 AM

Karpo, my comic guy says he's hoping by next week.

I liked the issue as a whole. It's neat the way they are fleshing out the characters a bit. Lesean's art was great as usual. Also the coloring is and has been just fantastic. It makes Lesean's work look that much better. I'm really waiting for the new stories to start in #5 though. I want to see where this series is heading.

**Karpo_007** · 08-14-2003, 07:47 AM

Ok, I hope that they don't sell out TMNT Animated #3 before that...

xZAOx · 08-14-2003, 10:52 AM

i like the stories a whole lot.

here's my opnion on the art - his style comes off as kind of 'chunky' at times to me, which i totally dig. i only have 3 nit-picks: i didnt like the lines on the bottom side of the mouth, i dont like the way april's (and others) eyes seem to be pushed back in their head (they have big bulges around them or something), and i had the way the shell joins the back shell when you see them from the "ass view", but thats the way the new cartoon does it too (which bugs me there to hehe)

overall, i really like the comic =). i think lawson's art is still better tho, just not his humans. i love his turtles. but im a more old school b&w with duo-shading type of guy than this snazzy new computer coloring! why back in my day we had to walk 10 miles in 5ft deep snow just to.....*rambles along..*

**Jo Dawn** · 08-14-2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Anyone have any idea when Mirage 11 is coming out?

August 20. That's when it should hopefully be on the shelves.

Jo

**Karpo_007** · 08-14-2003, 01:39 PM

I hope so.

08-13-2003, 12:05 PM	#1
LeSean Official TMNT Staff/Cast Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 50	Dreamwave's TMNT #3 Discussion( SPOILERS) So? how was it? i particularly enjoyed Peter David's spin on Baxter, and approach to the alternate view on his perspective on the turtles and April O'Neil. Thoughts anyone? __________________ " to get by, Just to get by, Just to get by, just to get BY!!" -Talib http://www.leseanthomas.com

08-13-2003, 01:42 PM	#2
Skeletoncrew Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bearing in on your spicy brains Posts: 3,275	I just got home with my copy! I really love the history Peter David is giving the human characters, April in the last issue, and Baxter in this. Character developement makes stories, no matter what the format, so much richer. I can't wait to see what will be done with Hun and Oroku Saki. Just as I now have some sympathy for Baxter, and understanding of his motivations, I hope to have the same for other "evil" characters in this series. Saki's sighing comment "There's always a woman..." gives him a feeling of humanity, if just a little. Other thoughts... I like April's sweetly innocent appearance during her interview with Baxter. Splinter covered in ooze is my favorite single image from this issue. I LOVE seeing the Turtles out of their gear!!! No one wears their uniform full time, no matter what the profession. (Though I suppose one could argue that strippers are always naked under their clothing.) "Memo to self: gloat quieter" Classic! __________________ Adult TMNT fan art and fiction contest Now accepting entries!

08-13-2003, 02:03 PM	#4
Skeletoncrew Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bearing in on your spicy brains Posts: 3,275	The facial expressions sans bandanas are really interesting. Don's "Ah, cut it out." face is cute! Perhaps LeSean might let us know whether or not he finds it more difficult to draw them bandana-less? I'm not much of a two-dimensional artist personally, but I would think it might be a bit more of a challenge to draw them without their standard facial covering. The bandana's help define the shape of thier faces. __________________ Adult TMNT fan art and fiction contest Now accepting entries!

08-13-2003, 05:02 PM	#7
Dane E5R Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,602	Every issue just gets more and more amazing than the last. As you can see, I'm a Raphael mark, so I'm DEFINITELY anticipating issue 4. Peter David's writing style is incredible. I definitely sympathize with Baxter now, well, atleast I sympathize with this version, and I love the back stories these characters have been given thus far. And as always, LeSean's pencils are incredible. One of these days, I WILL posess that talent!! __________________ http://www.luckyusshow.com

08-13-2003, 06:12 PM	#8
Ninjatron Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 313	I loved it. However I have to b honest and say that i didn't really care to for the part where the turtles aren't wearing their bandanas. I won't bother to bring up why unless anyone asks me, but it did not detract from the whole, which I enjoyed a lot. LeSean, you'll be at Canadian National Comic Book/Sci fi/Anime Expo, right? If so, I'd very much like to have a chat with you there, and perhaps show you some of my own artwork. Oh, and one more thing: You draw April really cute. And I'm sure I'm not the only dude around here that thinks so. Sayonara. __________________

08-13-2003, 01:55 PM	#3
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	I loved it! Great idea starting a letters page too, and addressing the "is this a mini series comic?" thing. The art, as always, was top notch. I was kinda supprised to see the turtles with out the bandanas on. Keep up the good work

08-13-2003, 03:00 PM	#5
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Due to expensive international shipping, I have to wait untill Mirage 11 comes out.

08-13-2003, 05:00 PM	#6
Taloniss Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,819	Sadly, my comic shop didn't get it yet, so I have to wait a bit longer Sounds like a sweet issue though!

08-13-2003, 07:52 PM	#12
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I like it. I don't get what people are complaining about. If anything, this actually "feels" more like TMNT than the Mirage book to me, if that makes any sense to anyone. Sure it "retells" the stories from the episodes, but from a different perspective and giving new depth to the stories themselves. Besides, it's only gonna be going on for a couple more issues anyway, then it's all original stories. I think some people are just giving up on this book too quickly. It's got one of the best comic writers ever in Peter David, and LeSean's art is infinitely better than Jim Lawson's (and in color, to boot)... what's not to like? PAD sure shows off his skills in making Baxter almost sympathetic. He really seems good at that. I mean, he even kinda made Buzz likeable in "Supergirl" at one point... the guy's simply very good at what he does. LeSean's art grows on me more every issue, and I'm not just saying that because I share half a name with him. His females are quite well-done, and his turtles are really good too. My only gripe (and I mentioned it in another thread): The eyes. Blank white eyes with masks on, I can buy. I don't "get" it, but I can buy it. But without their masks on it makes NO sense for them to not have pupils... it just bugs me. I know it's just a nitpick though. Ah well. Thumbs up on this one.

08-13-2003, 07:59 PM	#13
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,142	Remember when Raph had his mask off in the cartoon episode that mirrored the Donatello Special? They didn't do a close-up of him, but it looked as if he had no pupils. I hope that's not what they're gonna be doing. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

08-13-2003, 09:49 PM	#14
Jo Dawn Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Authority On All Things Don Posts: 5,190	I liked this issue. I liked how they... "humanize" everyone, even the bad guys in the stories. Like Baxter. Even the 'bad guys' have a somewhat normal past, like his troubles in high school. I liked how there was the whole "April" thing, with the girl from Baxter's past and how he made the connection. And the TMNT, well, everything with them is always great. So, I guess it's safe to say that I just plain love the issue. (Like I couldn't have just said that in the first place, right?) Jo __________________

08-14-2003, 07:44 AM	#16
Aztec General Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,437	Karpo, my comic guy says he's hoping by next week. I liked the issue as a whole. It's neat the way they are fleshing out the characters a bit. Lesean's art was great as usual. Also the coloring is and has been just fantastic. It makes Lesean's work look that much better. I'm really waiting for the new stories to start in #5 though. I want to see where this series is heading. __________________

08-14-2003, 07:47 AM	#17
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Ok, I hope that they don't sell out TMNT Animated #3 before that...

08-14-2003, 10:52 AM	#18
xZAOx Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: TN Posts: 842	i like the stories a whole lot. here's my opnion on the art - his style comes off as kind of 'chunky' at times to me, which i totally dig. i only have 3 nit-picks: i didnt like the lines on the bottom side of the mouth, i dont like the way april's (and others) eyes seem to be pushed back in their head (they have big bulges around them or something), and i had the way the shell joins the back shell when you see them from the "ass view", but thats the way the new cartoon does it too (which bugs me there to hehe) overall, i really like the comic =). i think lawson's art is still better tho, just not his humans. i love his turtles. but im a more old school b&w with duo-shading type of guy than this snazzy new computer coloring! why back in my day we had to walk 10 miles in 5ft deep snow just to.....rambles along..

08-14-2003, 01:39 PM	#20
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I hope so.