TMNT Movie Alternate Origin via Storyboards

*TigerClaw* · 09-07-2014, 09:28 AM

Check this out, a Storyboard/Concept Artist posted a Storyboard of an alternate origin for the TMNT Movie. In this one, Splinter learned Martial Arts by watching TV.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=107218

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*TurtleTitan97* · 09-07-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Check this out, a Storyboard/Concept Artist posted a Storyboard of an alternate origin for the TMNT Movie. In this one, Splinter learned Martial Arts by watching TV.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=107218

Spoiler:

That's even dumber than learning it from a book!

Did the people who even worked on this film even bother to look at the source material?

Donnieangelo · 09-07-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

That's even dumber than learning it from a book!

Did the people who even worked on this film even bother to look at the source material?

Guess not.

*Powder* · 09-07-2014, 01:36 PM

Wow, what terrible storyboards. So unprofessional looking...

Anyway, all of the origin is/was stupid, but honestly, I feel like this would have been a lot more acceptable than a "Ninjutsu for dummies" book. I mean, most martial arts films have actual techniques in them, & it's not completely unreasonable to think that a genetically altered creature could absord what it saw & recreate it when it was able bodied. But to look at drawings of poses & suddenly know the fluid movements behind them? Nonsense. That's like saying the old Solson training guides put out in the Mirage days actually taught kids how to fight.

*Coola Yagami* · 09-07-2014, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Wow, what terrible storyboards. So unprofessional looking...

Anyway, all of the origin is/was stupid, but honestly, I feel like this would have been a lot more acceptable than a "Ninjutsu for dummies" book. I mean, most martial arts films have actual techniques in them, & it's not completely unreasonable to think that a genetically altered creature could absord what it saw & recreate it when it was able bodied. But to look at drawings of poses & suddenly know the fluid movements behind them? Nonsense. That's like saying the old Solson training guides put out in the Mirage days actually taught kids how to fight.

The only reason I don't RAEG over this is because the original comic started out with a rat watching Yoshi fight from his cage.... and somehow learned it well enough to train the turtles into the bad-asses they are today. And that was before Eastman or Laird went back said 'uhh.... even before the Mutagen he was already kind of a mutant rat''.

I'll always preffer it when Splinter was Yoshi himself.. plus that always makes the vendetta against Saki that much more personal.

*RaphaelinSTL* · 09-07-2014, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Wow, what terrible storyboards. So unprofessional looking...

Anyway, all of the origin is/was stupid, but honestly, I feel like this would have been a lot more acceptable than a "Ninjutsu for dummies" book.

Hahaha, that's exactly what my brother and I described the book he was reading as.

What a stupid, stupid movie.

*Candy Kappa* · 09-07-2014, 02:30 PM

I'd much prefer an idea that the ooze can imprint the subject visual stimuli. Like Splinter watching Yoshi do martial arts and speak infront of the rat, he'd later imprint what he've seen and it'd go into the muscle memory as if he knew it.

It would have totally fitted the "created as weapons" theme as it could have been used on soldiers to watch a training video and boost their training method and shorten the time it would take to get new fully trained soldiers. But they tested it on animals first.

newhire13 · 09-07-2014, 05:12 PM

What I find interesting is that the storyboards make it look like he was being forced to watch. I'm guessing it's the sensory thing that was rumored before the movie hit: that part of the mutagen experimentation had them shaping his mind to learn martial arts by exposing him to it over periods of time, essentially downloading it into his head. Kind of like how Neo learned to fight in The Matrix. Much more interesting approach. In that way Splinter and the turtles would have literally been designed to fight.

Xiewin · 09-07-2014, 05:26 PM

Well I guess those early rumors were true. In a way...

DevilSpooky · 09-07-2014, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Did the people who even worked on this film even bother to look at the source material?

Did you? How is learning it from watching old martial arts movies worse/different from learning it from watching a human do it? At least in here he was already mutating and getting more intelligent.

Anyway, I would like this version a lot more then what we got, it feels like an updated version of the original origin.

*TurtleTitan97* · 09-07-2014, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Did you? How is learning it from watching old martial arts movies worse/different from learning it from watching a human do it?

Because Hamato Yoshi was an actual ninja, not some actor from a martial arts film.

I'd take Splinter learning from Hamato Yoshi or him and Yoshi being the same person over this or the book origin.

Xiewin · 09-07-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Did you? How is learning it from watching old martial arts movies worse/different from learning it from watching a human do it? At least in here he was already mutating and getting more intelligent.

Anyway, I would like this version a lot more then what we got, it feels like an updated version of the original origin.

I do find them both to be ridiculous in their own way. But the only downside to this origin is that there is no Hamato/Oroku saki link. I would have been fine with this if that was place somewhere in the story, but it's not. So which is why this idea sucks.

*Galactus* · 09-07-2014, 05:58 PM

We could debate whether this is better of worse than what we got but it still cuts out the most important aspect of the origin. The connection to Yoshi, the rivalry with Saki.

Hasn't Leibesman admitted the only research he did was look at still images.

I suppose you could say that maybe the writers might but it strikes me the same as the recent Star Trek movies were they just skimmed through for catch phrases and random things to put in with the belief that it would be satisfying for fans.

*Coola Yagami* · 09-07-2014, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Galactus

We could debate whether this is better of worse than what we got but it still cuts out the most important aspect of the origin. The connection to Yoshi, the rivalry with Saki.

Hasn't Leibesman admitted the only research he did was look at still images.

I suppose you could say that maybe the writers might but it strikes me the same as the recent Star Trek movies were they just skimmed through for catch phrases and random things to put in with the belief that it would be satisfying for fans.

We changed everything about the series as you know it, including the things that made you love the franchise in the first place... but look!!! They still have their weapons!!! They do flips and stuff! THEY LOVE PIZZA!!! THEY SAY COWABUNGA!!! Fans will love it!!! It's a sure fire winner!!!

*Shark_Blade* · 09-07-2014, 06:31 PM

Even the "pet rat copying his master" origin is stupid.

Only ones I prefer are 'Hamato Yoshi turned into a mutant rat', and 'IDW reincarnation' origins. Since both originated from a human that truly knows martial arts.

*Galactus* · 09-07-2014, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Even the "pet rat copying his master" origin is stupid.

True. It has a certain whimsical charm to it but yes on the whole it's stupid like almost all comic book origins but then there's a pass that Eastman & Laird get because they had no idea that their work (that mostly holds up) would be put under any serious scrutiny.

A a major motion picture that was an attempt at a tent pole for a series should know it is going to face serious scrutiny. If they were set on changing the origin then it really needed to be something that at least sounded plausible but what they came up with was even stupider that they may as well as just left it alone.

It also eliminates the most important aspect; The Yoshi and Saki back story.

I've said it before but if they were set on having them aliens but kept everything else abut their back story...well I wouldn't be too happy but I'd like that they'd kept the really important part. Why they do what they do is more important than how...at least to me.

slingtheory · 09-07-2014, 09:14 PM

my biggest problem with both these origins is what it means for the turtles heritage. by removing yoshi from the story you effectivly remove any roots splinter and the turtles have back to japan or ninjitsu. yeah the idea of a rat mastering martial arts by watching his master is probably the hardest pill to swallow in all of tmnt lore but i can still get behind that origin more because at least theres an actual master in the equation whose culture and beliefs splinter could absorb. in this movie he just kind of stumbles onto something, decides its cool. its not something he learned from a father figure or spent most of life being around its a hobby he decides to devote the rest of his life to and then builds his life around it.

*Galactus* · 09-07-2014, 09:23 PM

Oh the turtles have links to Japan alright because not only did Splinter master martial arts from a single book but fully appropriated Japanese culture from it too.

It also seems highly contrived that Splinter finds a book on ninjitsu and coincidentally the people who own the lab he was created in are also supposed to ninjas (even if the don't act like it) with own ties to Japan.

*Coola Yagami* · 09-07-2014, 09:54 PM

I kinda wonder if there was a foot clan in the first cut. It made sense now when they added an Asian shredder in the last minute, but if Sachs was to be shredder all along, why would he need a Japanese clan. He already had a standard American military unit.

*IndigoErth* · 09-07-2014, 10:11 PM

Yoshi as lab tech involved in lab accident would have been so easy... *sigh* Hey writers, directors, whoevers... sometimes the easy route in some elements is ok, ya know?

Honestly if they wanted to go full wtf, they should have kept white Shredder, who ALSO learned ninjutsu from a book - the SAME book - and tie it together in some way we're supposed to be impressed with by saying April stole his book as a child, then felt guilty about it and dropped it into a sewer grate thinking it would never be found out. Years later she sees the book on a shelf in the Turtles and Splinter's home and is like oh ****.

So then it's like April that Shredder actually wants to kill for taking his book and the Turtles have to protect her... or just want to (aka forced to) for some random reason. When really they're wanting to say "Look just take it and get out of here, else he's gonna explode our wall - Bay style."

09-07-2014, 09:28 AM	#1
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Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	I'd much prefer an idea that the ooze can imprint the subject visual stimuli. Like Splinter watching Yoshi do martial arts and speak infront of the rat, he'd later imprint what he've seen and it'd go into the muscle memory as if he knew it. It would have totally fitted the "created as weapons" theme as it could have been used on soldiers to watch a training video and boost their training method and shorten the time it would take to get new fully trained soldiers. But they tested it on animals first. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

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slingtheory Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 580	my biggest problem with both these origins is what it means for the turtles heritage. by removing yoshi from the story you effectivly remove any roots splinter and the turtles have back to japan or ninjitsu. yeah the idea of a rat mastering martial arts by watching his master is probably the hardest pill to swallow in all of tmnt lore but i can still get behind that origin more because at least theres an actual master in the equation whose culture and beliefs splinter could absorb. in this movie he just kind of stumbles onto something, decides its cool. its not something he learned from a father figure or spent most of life being around its a hobby he decides to devote the rest of his life to and then builds his life around it. __________________

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Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,694	I kinda wonder if there was a foot clan in the first cut. It made sense now when they added an Asian shredder in the last minute, but if Sachs was to be shredder all along, why would he need a Japanese clan. He already had a standard American military unit. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

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IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,293	Yoshi as lab tech involved in lab accident would have been so easy... sigh Hey writers, directors, whoevers... sometimes the easy route in some elements is ok, ya know? Honestly if they wanted to go full wtf, they should have kept white Shredder, who ALSO learned ninjutsu from a book - the SAME book - and tie it together in some way we're supposed to be impressed with by saying April stole his book as a child, then felt guilty about it and dropped it into a sewer grate thinking it would never be found out. Years later she sees the book on a shelf in the Turtles and Splinter's home and is like oh ***. So then it's like April that Shredder actually wants to kill for taking his book and the Turtles have to protect her... or just want to (aka forced to) for some random reason. When really they're wanting to say "Look just take it and get out of here, else he's gonna explode our wall - Bay style." Last edited by IndigoErth; 09-07-2014 at 10:52 PM.*

09-07-2014, 01:36 PM	#4
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Wow, what terrible storyboards. So unprofessional looking... Anyway, all of the origin is/was stupid, but honestly, I feel like this would have been a lot more acceptable than a "Ninjutsu for dummies" book. I mean, most martial arts films have actual techniques in them, & it's not completely unreasonable to think that a genetically altered creature could absord what it saw & recreate it when it was able bodied. But to look at drawings of poses & suddenly know the fluid movements behind them? Nonsense. That's like saying the old Solson training guides put out in the Mirage days actually taught kids how to fight.

09-07-2014, 05:12 PM	#8
newhire13 Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 447	What I find interesting is that the storyboards make it look like he was being forced to watch. I'm guessing it's the sensory thing that was rumored before the movie hit: that part of the mutagen experimentation had them shaping his mind to learn martial arts by exposing him to it over periods of time, essentially downloading it into his head. Kind of like how Neo learned to fight in The Matrix. Much more interesting approach. In that way Splinter and the turtles would have literally been designed to fight.

09-07-2014, 05:26 PM	#9
Xiewin Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 900	Well I guess those early rumors were true. In a way...

09-07-2014, 05:58 PM	#13
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	We could debate whether this is better of worse than what we got but it still cuts out the most important aspect of the origin. The connection to Yoshi, the rivalry with Saki. Hasn't Leibesman admitted the only research he did was look at still images. I suppose you could say that maybe the writers might but it strikes me the same as the recent Star Trek movies were they just skimmed through for catch phrases and random things to put in with the belief that it would be satisfying for fans.

09-07-2014, 06:31 PM	#15
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Even the "pet rat copying his master" origin is stupid. Only ones I prefer are 'Hamato Yoshi turned into a mutant rat', and 'IDW reincarnation' origins. Since both originated from a human that truly knows martial arts.

09-07-2014, 09:23 PM	#18
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	Oh the turtles have links to Japan alright because not only did Splinter master martial arts from a single book but fully appropriated Japanese culture from it too. It also seems highly contrived that Splinter finds a book on ninjitsu and coincidentally the people who own the lab he was created in are also supposed to ninjas (even if the don't act like it) with own ties to Japan.