Which series had the best mutants?

*CyberCubed* · 11-22-2014, 01:38 PM

I'm going to have to go with the original cartoon on this one. Most of the 4kids mutants had no actual character and was just written as monsters like in Notes of the Underground or the Season 4 Mutant outbreak arc. Quarry was the sole exception but we didn't see much of her.

And while I like some of the Nick mutants like Tiger Claw, Fishface, this incarnation of Rahzar and Slash, etc....a lot of the others are just kinda mindless mutants as well just intended to be scary.

For the OT, I always found Bebop and Rocksteady funny. Leatherhead's OT version is my favorite incarnation of the character. I also loved Groundchuck and Dirtbag, and the one-off Rahzar/Tokka. Slash was OK, not as good as the other versions. Mutagen Man had more character in this show as well.

CharmedSerenity · 11-22-2014, 02:28 PM

None of the above - I'm going with the IDW comics.

*snake* · 11-22-2014, 02:57 PM

IDW or Nick. Archie had some cool ones too.

*TigerClaw* · 11-22-2014, 03:21 PM

The original series had some very cool mutants, Which can also be found in the archie comics.

Plus the original series was the first to have female mutants, IDW has done it, But Nick has yet to cover that.

*Jephael* · 11-22-2014, 03:42 PM

Archie was the best with mutants, but since you only did the cartoons, I'll vote the classic toon since that was what the Archie series was based on.

LeoRaph · 11-22-2014, 05:06 PM

Hmmmm - maybe I was bit too hasty with my vote. 4kids definitely had better human and non human characters. I do agree with CyberCubed that the 4kids mutants were a little monster like with the exception of a few but 4kids also had some great other worldly characters, aliens, supernatural, demons... what ever you want to call them.

In hindsight though, if I were to vote for Mutants only, I'd change my vote to Nick because there are at least more mutants with depth compared to 4kids and they are no where near as annoying as the OT.

*Powder* · 11-22-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CharmedSerenity

None of the above - I'm going with the IDW comics.

IDW has only created like 3 new mutants, how can you honestly say it's got the best selection?

I voted for the OT but only because that's what Playmates' toys would fall under. Also, you forgot Archie, Cubed!

slashpieturtlemix · 11-22-2014, 06:18 PM

I went with original because it had some of my favs of all time in it. Rocksteady, Bebop, Baxter, Leatherhead and the frogs are what did it for me.

*CyberCubed* · 11-22-2014, 06:34 PM

Yeah so far I prefer Baxter as a fly far more in the OT than the Nick version

slashpieturtlemix · 11-22-2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yeah so far I prefer Baxter as a fly far more in the OT than the Nick version

Hahaha I feel the same. I think its because he was super interlligent and once he became a fly, everything went wrong for him. I even felt a little pity to Mr. Sweater-vest at times lol

*Bry* · 11-22-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Plus the original series was the first to have female mutants, IDW has done it, But Nick has yet to cover that.

Karai is currently a mutant.

But yeah - I'd like to see more female mutants in the Nick series. That show is overwhelmingly male-character-heavy. Which I guess TMNT has always been a lot of the time, but... if there was ever a time to address that, it's now.

I'd be happy to see Alopex and Koya turn up in the Nick show.

slashpieturtlemix · 11-22-2014, 08:17 PM

We need a mona lisa

constant flirting that makes Raph extremely uncomfortable lol

*TheCanadiandrome* · 11-22-2014, 09:50 PM

i think the OT for sure

*TigerClaw* · 11-22-2014, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry

Karai is currently a mutant.

But yeah - I'd like to see more female mutants in the Nick series. That show is overwhelmingly male-character-heavy. Which I guess TMNT has always been a lot of the time, but... if there was ever a time to address that, it's now.

I'd be happy to see Alopex and Koya turn up in the Nick show.

Karai initially wasn't a mutant in past iterations. That's just Nick covering there tracks, I would like to see a proper female mutant.

So they should bring on Mona Lisa or Ninjara, But Ninjara isn't a mutant, But still, That show has taken so many liberties with there characters.

*Shark_Blade* · 11-22-2014, 10:08 PM

Nick and OT.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 11-22-2014, 11:32 PM

I went with the OT it had the best ORIGINAL mutants. Most of the other mutants were original back then, and the show (and Archie) had so many good ones- even some of the "monster" mutants! the Moo-tagen monster was a favorite of mine for its bizarre appearance.

That said, I also love some of the Nick mutants, like Fishface and Tiger Claw. Ice Cream Kitty is my personal fave, though!

And IDW also has some really cool ones. I'm really liking Hob, Alopex and now Koya.

CharmedSerenity · 11-23-2014, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

IDW has only created like 3 new mutants, how can you honestly say it's got the best selection?

Because it's my personal opinion on the matter. Can you please respect that?

*Powder* · 11-23-2014, 01:41 AM

Why are you acting like I'm attacking you? Relax. God forbid you ask questions for the sake of discussion in 2014...

~~Davetello~~ · 11-23-2014, 02:05 AM

I'm going to go against the general sentiment and say 4kids. While the original show had a greater quantity of mutants, I felt that there actually was a lot of depth to the 4kids mutants. There was pretty rich character development. The characters in Notes From the Underground were especially well presented - we got to hear some of their backstory and I truly felt their pain and frustration through the screen. Yes, Quarry was the only one who was really sentient for a decent period and who spoke to the turtles. But that was perfect because she acted as a conduit for the others - through her words, tone of voice and body language we were able to understand what the others had also suffered alongside her. It was the best way to do it imo. The fact that their tale was fleshed out over multiple seasons also helped, as we had to wait for them to find their happy ending.

I also preferred the 4kids depiction of Leatherhead to the FW incarnation, as it was more true to the source material and he was an ally of the turtles rather than a goofy villain. And of course the 4kids show also had the outbreak arc, which can be described as a mutation storyline which was fleshed out over a number of episodes and ultimately led to some of the most heart-tugging and deep storytelling of the the entire series (Donnie's transformation into a monster). I just feel like 4kids was more layered and less one-dimensional.

Something I agree on is the way Tokka and Rahzar were depicted in FW...or more accurately Rahzar. I liked how he was made to be more intelligent than in SotO, but didn't enjoy how Tokka remained dumbed down. However, that was probably the only dynamic they could have used to tell the story in that episode. Guys like Mondo Gecko, Muckman and Joe Eyeball, Ray, Bugman etc were generally interesting and humorous, but there was little real depth to their characters. I mean most of them didn't seem to mind the fact they'd been mutated, whether they had originally been an animal or a human. Mutagen Man and Baxter were some of the few instances where we saw someone who was genuinely upset with their mutations/change. I liked that as it mirrored the portrayal of some of the mutants in 4kids - yes, the "NftU" creatures didn't know any better as savages, but we saw their pain when they they realised they couldn't leave the underground city in the first season. Overall, though, the FW mutants weren't as fleshed out. This is completely understandable as the original show is much lighter in tone, but it's the way I see it nonetheless.

I did enjoy the creations of Mona Lisa and Slash very much, however, and it was great when Slash went from being underdeveloped mentally to being a genius (and back again).

Overall the original show and Nick have had a greater quantity of mutants, but I feel that 4kids had more depth to their fewer numbers of mutants. Quality over quantity and all that.

What the original show does have over 4kids is legacy: the likes of Mondo Gecko, Punk Frogs, Slash, Baxter as a mutant, Mona Lisa etc have all shown up in other iterations of the turtles, so the show made its mark. But taking that away and talking about which mutants I just enjoyed more, I'd have to go with 4kids.

*snake* · 11-23-2014, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

IDW has only created like 3 new mutants, how can you honestly say it's got the best selection?

I voted for the OT but only because that's what Playmates' toys would fall under. Also, you forgot Archie, Cubed!

I say that IDW has a good selection of overall mutants, not just ones they created.

View Poll Results: Which series had the best mutants?
Original cartoon	12	50.00%
4kids cartoon	3	12.50%
Nick cartoon	9	37.50%
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11-22-2014, 01:38 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,767	Which series had the best mutants? I'm going to have to go with the original cartoon on this one. Most of the 4kids mutants had no actual character and was just written as monsters like in Notes of the Underground or the Season 4 Mutant outbreak arc. Quarry was the sole exception but we didn't see much of her. And while I like some of the Nick mutants like Tiger Claw, Fishface, this incarnation of Rahzar and Slash, etc....a lot of the others are just kinda mindless mutants as well just intended to be scary. For the OT, I always found Bebop and Rocksteady funny. Leatherhead's OT version is my favorite incarnation of the character. I also loved Groundchuck and Dirtbag, and the one-off Rahzar/Tokka. Slash was OK, not as good as the other versions. Mutagen Man had more character in this show as well.

11-22-2014, 02:28 PM	#2
CharmedSerenity Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In front of her computer Posts: 1,335	None of the above - I'm going with the IDW comics. __________________ Favorite incarnations: 2k3 animated series, 2014 & 2016 movies and the IDW comics.

11-22-2014, 03:21 PM	#4
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,160	The original series had some very cool mutants, Which can also be found in the archie comics. Plus the original series was the first to have female mutants, IDW has done it, But Nick has yet to cover that. __________________ Follow me on my Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@tygerclaw305 Last edited by TigerClaw; 11-22-2014 at 03:32 PM.

11-22-2014, 03:42 PM	#5
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Archie was the best with mutants, but since you only did the cartoons, I'll vote the classic toon since that was what the Archie series was based on. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

11-22-2014, 02:57 PM	#3
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	IDW or Nick. Archie had some cool ones too.

11-22-2014, 05:06 PM	#6
LeoRaph Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Sydney Posts: 357	Hmmmm - maybe I was bit too hasty with my vote. 4kids definitely had better human and non human characters. I do agree with CyberCubed that the 4kids mutants were a little monster like with the exception of a few but 4kids also had some great other worldly characters, aliens, supernatural, demons... what ever you want to call them. In hindsight though, if I were to vote for Mutants only, I'd change my vote to Nick because there are at least more mutants with depth compared to 4kids and they are no where near as annoying as the OT. Last edited by LeoRaph; 11-22-2014 at 06:40 PM.

11-22-2014, 06:18 PM	#8
slashpieturtlemix Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2013 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 1,259	I went with original because it had some of my favs of all time in it. Rocksteady, Bebop, Baxter, Leatherhead and the frogs are what did it for me. __________________ Owner of Hkohles1gaming, kohlesgoods, and hkohles1. https://www.youtube.com/user/hkohles1 https://www.ebay.com/usr/kohlesgoods https://www.facebook.com/hkohles1gaming

11-22-2014, 06:34 PM	#9
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,767	Yeah so far I prefer Baxter as a fly far more in the OT than the Nick version

11-22-2014, 08:17 PM	#12
slashpieturtlemix Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2013 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 1,259	We need a mona lisa constant flirting that makes Raph extremely uncomfortable lol __________________ Owner of Hkohles1gaming, kohlesgoods, and hkohles1. https://www.youtube.com/user/hkohles1 https://www.ebay.com/usr/kohlesgoods https://www.facebook.com/hkohles1gaming

11-22-2014, 09:50 PM	#13
TheCanadiandrome Big, Bad & Bold Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Inside the Technodrome; Shredderville; Saskatchewan Posts: 19,719	i think the OT for sure __________________ Add me: PSN/XBL; Nintendo Network ID: BDS-3.1.6; Switch FC: SW-3378-5206-8020 TMNT Fan Club: http://sot.ag/4jZR0 Visit My Wish List: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30904 My Collection: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=40276

11-22-2014, 10:08 PM	#15
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Nick and OT.

11-22-2014, 11:32 PM	#16
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	I went with the OT it had the best ORIGINAL mutants. Most of the other mutants were original back then, and the show (and Archie) had so many good ones- even some of the "monster" mutants! the Moo-tagen monster was a favorite of mine for its bizarre appearance. That said, I also love some of the Nick mutants, like Fishface and Tiger Claw. Ice Cream Kitty is my personal fave, though! And IDW also has some really cool ones. I'm really liking Hob, Alopex and now Koya. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

11-23-2014, 01:41 AM	#18
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Why are you acting like I'm attacking you? Relax. God forbid you ask questions for the sake of discussion in 2014...

11-23-2014, 02:05 AM	#19
~~Davetello~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Greater Glasgow, Scotland, The Ununited Kingdom Posts: 1,712	I'm going to go against the general sentiment and say 4kids. While the original show had a greater quantity of mutants, I felt that there actually was a lot of depth to the 4kids mutants. There was pretty rich character development. The characters in Notes From the Underground were especially well presented - we got to hear some of their backstory and I truly felt their pain and frustration through the screen. Yes, Quarry was the only one who was really sentient for a decent period and who spoke to the turtles. But that was perfect because she acted as a conduit for the others - through her words, tone of voice and body language we were able to understand what the others had also suffered alongside her. It was the best way to do it imo. The fact that their tale was fleshed out over multiple seasons also helped, as we had to wait for them to find their happy ending. I also preferred the 4kids depiction of Leatherhead to the FW incarnation, as it was more true to the source material and he was an ally of the turtles rather than a goofy villain. And of course the 4kids show also had the outbreak arc, which can be described as a mutation storyline which was fleshed out over a number of episodes and ultimately led to some of the most heart-tugging and deep storytelling of the the entire series (Donnie's transformation into a monster). I just feel like 4kids was more layered and less one-dimensional. Something I agree on is the way Tokka and Rahzar were depicted in FW...or more accurately Rahzar. I liked how he was made to be more intelligent than in SotO, but didn't enjoy how Tokka remained dumbed down. However, that was probably the only dynamic they could have used to tell the story in that episode. Guys like Mondo Gecko, Muckman and Joe Eyeball, Ray, Bugman etc were generally interesting and humorous, but there was little real depth to their characters. I mean most of them didn't seem to mind the fact they'd been mutated, whether they had originally been an animal or a human. Mutagen Man and Baxter were some of the few instances where we saw someone who was genuinely upset with their mutations/change. I liked that as it mirrored the portrayal of some of the mutants in 4kids - yes, the "NftU" creatures didn't know any better as savages, but we saw their pain when they they realised they couldn't leave the underground city in the first season. Overall, though, the FW mutants weren't as fleshed out. This is completely understandable as the original show is much lighter in tone, but it's the way I see it nonetheless. I did enjoy the creations of Mona Lisa and Slash very much, however, and it was great when Slash went from being underdeveloped mentally to being a genius (and back again). Overall the original show and Nick have had a greater quantity of mutants, but I feel that 4kids had more depth to their fewer numbers of mutants. Quality over quantity and all that. What the original show does have over 4kids is legacy: the likes of Mondo Gecko, Punk Frogs, Slash, Baxter as a mutant, Mona Lisa etc have all shown up in other iterations of the turtles, so the show made its mark. But taking that away and talking about which mutants I just enjoyed more, I'd have to go with 4kids. Last edited by Davetello; 11-23-2014 at 02:16 AM.