Corrections officer by Day, Vigilante by night

*Allio* · 04-04-2016, 08:58 AM

That isn't Casey Jones

That's literally Nobody

letscook89 · 04-04-2016, 09:07 AM

Does it really need its own topic ?

*neatoman* · 04-04-2016, 09:07 AM

Doesn't "corrections officer" mean prison guard? Holy crap! They gave Casey an actual job!

*TigerClaw* · 04-04-2016, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Doesn't "corrections officer" mean prison guard? Holy crap! They gave Casey an actual job!

According to a Wiki.

Corrections Officers are responsible for the care, custody, and control of individuals who have been arrested and are awaiting trial while on remand or who have been convicted of a crime and sentenced to serve time in a prison or jail. They are also responsible for the safety and security of the facility itself.

*Allio* · 04-04-2016, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by letscook89

Does it really need its own topic ?

If cybercubed can do it

*Galactus* · 04-04-2016, 10:17 AM

While it has been discussed why this isn't a job that really suits Casey and his more blue collar, street tough vigilante should really have but Casey is an important enough character that it probably deserves it's own thread.

I know Amell has said we may get more of the traditional Casey 'look' in other sequels and maybe some will hold out for more of the more traditional Casey personality too but isn't that antithetical to what the character is supposed evolve? If you think about it every version of Casey which is part of the regular cast starts off with a tougher personality but by befriending the turtles and April gets some of his rough edges smoothed out. Here fans hope it's the other way around which does't make much sense. Likewise by the time we always meet Casey he's been a vigilante for a while and we can buy that he's set in his ways enough so doesn't upgrade his weapons or ways of fighting even when in more bizarre situations he finds himself allied with the turtles but a more stable Casey just starting out would have no reason not pick up one of Don's gadgets or learn ninjutsu?

There's nothing wrong with presenting Casey's origin but why invent a new one when they could have used the one that already exists in the canon and generally liked by fans?

Like the OP said if they are really married to the idea of a corrections officer turned vigilante there's already a character exactly like that in the canon; Nobody but rather than figure that out they have to turn Casey into that. Just like with the previous movie they really wanted a military antagonist and instead of using one that already exists in TMNT they tried to alter the main villain to be that.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 04-04-2016, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Allio

That isn't Casey Jones

That's literally Nobody

NOBODY... just like the number of people at Platinum Dunes who had read any of the TMNT comics!

<ba dum tish>

*plastroncafe* · 04-04-2016, 11:26 AM

What was wrong with him having been a bouncer?

*neatoman* · 04-04-2016, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

What was wrong with him having been a bouncer?

Because then he'd be busy with his job during night.

*plastroncafe* · 04-04-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Because then he'd be busy with his job during night.

Yeah but it's New York, the city that's fabled to never sleep.
He could easily work a shift at a bar and then go out knocking heads.

It'd give him far more freedom, because being late for work, and showing up beat up, not exactly smiled upon in the prison system.

slingtheory · 04-04-2016, 01:42 PM

If Casey Jones has to have a job I think bouncer at a dive bar would be the perfect one

thundermaster612 · 04-04-2016, 01:49 PM

Him being a corrections officer actually has to do with his backstory with Bebop and Rocksteady. I think that's why they try to kill him in that one scene where their on the bikes, well other than the fact he's an enemy of The Foot

*TigerClaw* · 04-04-2016, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thundermaster612

Him being a corrections officer actually has to do with his backstory with Bebop and Rocksteady. I think that's why they try to kill him in that one scene where their on the bikes, well other than the fact he's an enemy of The Foot

Yeah, Stephen Amell at WonderCon did mention that Casey Jones has a beef with Bebop and Rocksteady.

Him being a correction officer makes sense when you take Bebop and Rocksteady into account, probably causing all sorts of trouble with Casey Jones at the workplace.

Casey Jones probably doesn't like how the system isn't working, Bebop and Rocksteady not staying in jail and being set free, which probably irks him.

*Bry* · 04-04-2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thundermaster612

Him being a corrections officer actually has to do with his backstory with Bebop and Rocksteady. I think that's why they try to kill him in that one scene where their on the bikes, well other than the fact he's an enemy of The Foot

Except him being a bouncer actually works better for that too -- Bebop and Rocksteady are exactly the type of punk criminals who'd start trouble at a dive bar, which gives a way more natural reason for them to know who Casey is without having to completely alter the character.

slingtheory · 04-04-2016, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry

Except him being a bouncer actually works better for that too -- Bebop and Rocksteady are exactly the type of punk criminals who'd start trouble at a dive bar, which gives a way more natural reason for them to know who Casey is without having to completely alter the character.

yep. I give them credit for the idea but the way they're going about it seems over complicated. How hard would it have been for them to have crossed paths with Casey while he was doing his regular vigilante thing. They could've just been thugs (or maybe members of the purple dragons as an easter egg) that he's beat down a few too many times. You'd get the same results without changing the core of the character.

*Cipher* · 04-04-2016, 07:01 PM

Cool. Glad this doesn't incorporate any of the weird fascist undertones Bay productions always seem to ooze for one reason or another.

*TrickOrTreater* · 04-04-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thundermaster612

Him being a corrections officer actually has to do with his backstory with Bebop and Rocksteady. I think that's why they try to kill him in that one scene where their on the bikes, well other than the fact he's an enemy of The Foot

Yes. Because the writers wrote it that way.

They could have easily NOT done that and wrote it a different, BETTER way.

That would require them to have something resembling talent though.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 04-04-2016, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Yes. Because the writers wrote it that way.

They could have easily NOT done that and wrote it a different, BETTER way.

That would require them to have something resembling talent though.

Hey, somehow these hacks keep getting paid. That's a talent all it's own.

*Cipher* · 04-04-2016, 08:22 PM

I'm sure all the writers involved have an enormous amount of talent for whipping up drafts of filmable tentpole film scripts with minimal effort so they can churn out as many projects as they can within a year, because that's the sh*tty system they're part of and what studios demand of them. You don't make end's meat in Hollywood scripting pouring your heart into a script like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 when it's going to be a Frankenstein of rewrites anyway and you're being asked to shove in certain marketable elements. You do what you can to get that sh*t out the door and don't think to hard about it.

Hate the game, not the players.

That said, someone--either at the executive or script-level--pitched this idea, and it's a terrible, tone-deaf one, but they didn't care, no one else involved cared, and I can't blame anyone for not caring one bit. If I worked in their industry and saw projects like this clean up with audience time after time, I'd be cynically efficient at all times too. Easy idea? Okay; we're doing it. It gets filmed. If you hate this, don't give it ticket money.

*Powder* · 04-04-2016, 08:30 PM

I do appreciate the point you're making, but in this case, it's not really applicable. The two schmucks who wrote it had a lot of terrible ideas that made it in, don't know how to write dialogue or seal gaps, & at every turn seem to make it abundantly clear how little they know/love TMNT. This whole Casey as a jail cop thing, they've been pushing it from the jump, son. It's in The Blue Door. So it's safe to assume they're recycling even more material from that thing, they clearly think it's solid work.

04-04-2016, 08:58 AM	#1
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	Corrections officer by Day, Vigilante by night That isn't Casey Jones That's literally Nobody __________________

04-04-2016, 10:17 AM	#6
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	While it has been discussed why this isn't a job that really suits Casey and his more blue collar, street tough vigilante should really have but Casey is an important enough character that it probably deserves it's own thread. I know Amell has said we may get more of the traditional Casey 'look' in other sequels and maybe some will hold out for more of the more traditional Casey personality too but isn't that antithetical to what the character is supposed evolve? If you think about it every version of Casey which is part of the regular cast starts off with a tougher personality but by befriending the turtles and April gets some of his rough edges smoothed out. Here fans hope it's the other way around which does't make much sense. Likewise by the time we always meet Casey he's been a vigilante for a while and we can buy that he's set in his ways enough so doesn't upgrade his weapons or ways of fighting even when in more bizarre situations he finds himself allied with the turtles but a more stable Casey just starting out would have no reason not pick up one of Don's gadgets or learn ninjutsu? There's nothing wrong with presenting Casey's origin but why invent a new one when they could have used the one that already exists in the canon and generally liked by fans? Like the OP said if they are really married to the idea of a corrections officer turned vigilante there's already a character exactly like that in the canon; Nobody but rather than figure that out they have to turn Casey into that. Just like with the previous movie they really wanted a military antagonist and instead of using one that already exists in TMNT they tried to alter the main villain to be that. Last edited by Galactus; 04-04-2016 at 09:17 PM.

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slingtheory Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 580	If Casey Jones has to have a job I think bouncer at a dive bar would be the perfect one __________________

04-04-2016, 01:49 PM	#12
thundermaster612 Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Ninjago City Posts: 1,214	Him being a corrections officer actually has to do with his backstory with Bebop and Rocksteady. I think that's why they try to kill him in that one scene where their on the bikes, well other than the fact he's an enemy of The Foot __________________

04-04-2016, 08:22 PM	#19
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	I'm sure all the writers involved have an enormous amount of talent for whipping up drafts of filmable tentpole film scripts with minimal effort so they can churn out as many projects as they can within a year, because that's the shtty system they're part of and what studios demand of them. You don't make end's meat in Hollywood scripting pouring your heart into a script like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2* when it's going to be a Frankenstein of rewrites anyway and you're being asked to shove in certain marketable elements. You do what you can to get that sht out the door and don't think to hard about it. Hate the game, not the players. That said, someone--either at the executive or script-level--pitched this idea, and it's a terrible, tone-deaf one, but they didn't care, no one else involved cared, and I can't blame anyone for not caring one bit. If I worked in their industry and saw projects like this clean up with audience time after time, I'd be cynically efficient at all times too. Easy idea? Okay; we're doing it. It gets filmed. If you hate this, don't give it ticket money. Last edited by Cipher; 04-04-2016 at 08:29 PM.*

04-04-2016, 09:07 AM	#2
letscook89 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: France Posts: 209	Does it really need its own topic ?

04-04-2016, 07:01 PM	#16
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	Cool. Glad this doesn't incorporate any of the weird fascist undertones Bay productions always seem to ooze for one reason or another.

04-04-2016, 08:30 PM	#20
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	I do appreciate the point you're making, but in this case, it's not really applicable. The two schmucks who wrote it had a lot of terrible ideas that made it in, don't know how to write dialogue or seal gaps, & at every turn seem to make it abundantly clear how little they know/love TMNT. This whole Casey as a jail cop thing, they've been pushing it from the jump, son. It's in The Blue Door. So it's safe to assume they're recycling even more material from that thing, they clearly think it's solid work.