Laird--- What do you think of him?

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-05-2004, 10:28 PM

Well?

*cqb101* · 03-05-2004, 10:44 PM

I think that he does what he wants with his creation, and that's cool. But he can be kinda arogant at times.

**Kali** · 03-05-2004, 11:05 PM

I have to give him props for standing up for his creation, and not losing his integrity by disregarding his vision to please fans.

Though I've lost faith in his ability to connect and channel the characters.

I wonder if his ears are burning...

((BTW, if this becomes a bashing session, this will be locked.))

Amanda · 03-05-2004, 11:24 PM

Meh.

I don't know the man, so I don't personally think anything of him. I love and support what he and Kevin Eastman created, that's about it. I grow kinda tired of the whinging sessions about him though...

Amanda

**GK Punk** · 03-05-2004, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanda

Meh.

I don't know the man, so I don't personally think anything of him. I love and support what he and Kevin Eastman created, that's about it. I grow kinda tired of the whinging sessions about him though...

Amanda

*points finger to nose*

Yep, that's exactly how I feel.

I'm sure they are great guys, but alls I care about is the fact that they created something like the TMNT.

*Kid Icarus* · 03-05-2004, 11:30 PM

I think he should at least consider what the fans want... after all, who made him rich? Who keeps paying him for the comics? Who keeps him in buisness?

It's great he does what he wants, but he often comes across rude to fans who offer constructive criticism. I could understand if the fan was like "OMG d00d, j00r t3h 50xx0rz!!!11! D0 7h!5! lolz!", but the ones he responds to are usually more thought out and valid. And that all goes back to my point that it's the fans who are the ones giving him money to buy his Segways and live a decent life.

**Machias Banshee** · 03-05-2004, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by grunger_kittie

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Originally Posted by Amanda

Meh.

I don't know the man, so I don't personally think anything of him. I love and support what he and Kevin Eastman created, that's about it. I grow kinda tired of the whinging sessions about him though...

Amanda

*points finger to nose*

Yep, that's exactly how I feel.

I'm sure they are great guys, but alls I care about is the fact that they created something like the TMNT.

I second that motion...

Amanda · 03-05-2004, 11:39 PM

Well I doubt it was listening to fans complaints and changing things that made him 'rich'. If people don't like what he does, make your own stories and comics for other people who share the same views. That sounds fair enough doesn't it?

Amanda

raphael90 · 03-06-2004, 01:14 AM

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I think he should at least consider what the fans want... after all, who made him rich? Who keeps paying him for the comics? Who keeps him in buisness?

Its odd..I was just reading the Turtle Tracks section in the back of one of the Mirage issues from last year and Laird was addressing this. He really dislikes this attitude in fans. The way he explained his reasons for it being wrong to him made partial sense at least...I can see it from both sides I guess.

I don't know the guys or what they're like in real life although I've read comments about each on this board. We do have them to thank for the Turtles.

*Taloniss* · 03-06-2004, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanda

Meh.

I don't know the man, so I don't personally think anything of him. I love and support what he and Kevin Eastman created, that's about it. I grow kinda tired of the whinging sessions about him though...

Amanda

Bingo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

*Bry* · 03-06-2004, 08:17 AM

Yeesh. I am so sick of all this 'fan entitlement' nonsense.

No, a creator does not somehow 'owe you' because you buy their comics. No, being a fan doesn't give you some sort of 'power' over how the franchise is run. There is no reason he should have to 'listen to what the fans want'. HE is the writer, not you. If you want to offer constructive criticism, that's your right. But it's also his right to ignore it - criticise it if he chooses - and keep doing what he wants to. If you want to write comics, then write your own. It's not somehow his duty to write exactly what Fan #45543 from Ohio wants to read.

Artistic work isn't like an appliance. You can return a microwave if it doesn't work properly - even solely by your standards - and get one that performs the way you want it to. Art is subjective. If you don't like it, then you move on to something more suited to your tastes. Whining about it and demanding it be changed to better suit your 'standards'? That means nothing to Peter Laird, the artist. It's his idea, his vision, and he'll do what he wants with it. You can either enjoy it, or don't; and likewise buy it, or don't.. That is the extent of a fan's 'power'.

Rant Over.

*Raven* · 03-06-2004, 08:48 AM

i really dont know what to think about him, but i can say I have nothing againest him, sure ive sent a few death threats to him......im just kidding.
any way i think hes ok, i mean he helped create the turtles.
if it wasent for him doing that, i wouldnt be doing what im doing today.

Nate · 03-06-2004, 09:10 AM

I love him.

That is all.

Lord Nightwalker · 03-06-2004, 10:14 AM

Peter Laird?
I think he's human. Like the rest of us..Well..Like "most" of us.
I have nothing against the man, And I see no reason to scream and yell at him eighter. He's doing what he enjoys doing, and the rest of us get to read stories about charachters we love to read about. So what if we occassionaly don't like the way a story plays out, there's always the next one. There' will always be stories that will not make everyone happy. That's just how it is. Just remeber, The good ones will be there too.
If you where the creator, and everyone kept telling you how to write about YOUR creations, How would you feel about it? I would just tell you flat out if you don't like it, don't read it. That simple. We would have stories that we want to tell, and we'd tell them. wether "fans" liked them or not.
I hold nothing against Him.

*raphael_is_cool* · 03-06-2004, 11:59 AM

He helped create the turtles and he's brought them back

Nuff said
(don't ask me why I used that expression)

**Karpo_007** · 03-06-2004, 12:12 PM

After 20 years he is still closely involved with the TMNT. That is something that few comic book artists do. One has to respect him for that.

Orochi Chimera · 03-06-2004, 12:28 PM

I don't know much about him. Just that he is one of the TMNT creators and that he made millions off of them. I don't really care to know much more about him. I'm not the type of person to idolize someone. I usually don't care who creates the content as long as I like the content. I keep content and creators seperate in terms of what/who I like. Just like if I like a song, it doesn't mean that I automatically like the singer/band at all. It's the same with everything else.

host_punktmy · 03-06-2004, 12:53 PM

I'm with Major Pain except for the death threat and the turtles making him where he is today since i don't draw...

*ZariusTwo* · 03-06-2004, 03:09 PM

God dammit, not one THESE threads again, they only exist to provoke flame-bait, and at least with the whole Utrom/Shredder debate, it was done rather cleanly.

Noone's telling you to waste your money , or your time reading Volume Four, but fans of his work DO like Laird's current MIRAGE comics.

I'm sick of the co-creator getting his ass beat down simply because of a few bitter selfish nerds.

He gave us TMNT with Kevin Eastman, respect him.

*Kid Icarus* · 03-06-2004, 03:26 PM

Let me clear my post up... I didn't mean he should change things with the comic, just how he deals with fans who disagree with him.

He's often rude to fans who give suggestions. He dosent have to, and shoulden't have to, use them, but he SHOULD at least be nice to his fans. He can't expect everyone to send in praise with everything he does.

EDIT: I DO enjoy the coimcs, that's not what this thread is about, it's about what we think of Laird.

03-05-2004, 10:28 PM	#1
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	Laird--- What do you think of him? Well?

03-05-2004, 10:44 PM	#2
cqb101 Cinephile Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 8,489	I think that he does what he wants with his creation, and that's cool. But he can be kinda arogant at times. __________________ Facebook

03-05-2004, 11:39 PM	#8
Amanda Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 125	Well I doubt it was listening to fans complaints and changing things that made him 'rich'. If people don't like what he does, make your own stories and comics for other people who share the same views. That sounds fair enough doesn't it? Amanda __________________

03-06-2004, 08:17 AM	#11
Bry So Long, Stinktown! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,463	Yeesh. I am so sick of all this 'fan entitlement' nonsense. No, a creator does not somehow 'owe you' because you buy their comics. No, being a fan doesn't give you some sort of 'power' over how the franchise is run. There is no reason he should have to 'listen to what the fans want'. HE is the writer, not you. If you want to offer constructive criticism, that's your right. But it's also his right to ignore it - criticise it if he chooses - and keep doing what he wants to. If you want to write comics, then write your own. It's not somehow his duty to write exactly what Fan #45543 from Ohio wants to read. Artistic work isn't like an appliance. You can return a microwave if it doesn't work properly - even solely by your standards - and get one that performs the way you want it to. Art is subjective. If you don't like it, then you move on to something more suited to your tastes. Whining about it and demanding it be changed to better suit your 'standards'? That means nothing to Peter Laird, the artist. It's his idea, his vision, and he'll do what he wants with it. You can either enjoy it, or don't; and likewise buy it, or don't.. That is the extent of a fan's 'power'. Rant Over. __________________ My Stuff: Webcomic \| Podcast \| DeviantArt \| YouTube \| Patreon

03-06-2004, 08:48 AM	#12
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	i really dont know what to think about him, but i can say I have nothing againest him, sure ive sent a few death threats to him......im just kidding. any way i think hes ok, i mean he helped create the turtles. if it wasent for him doing that, i wouldnt be doing what im doing today. __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

03-05-2004, 11:05 PM	#3
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	I have to give him props for standing up for his creation, and not losing his integrity by disregarding his vision to please fans. Though I've lost faith in his ability to connect and channel the characters. I wonder if his ears are burning... ((BTW, if this becomes a bashing session, this will be locked.))

03-05-2004, 11:24 PM	#4
Amanda Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 125	Meh. I don't know the man, so I don't personally think anything of him. I love and support what he and Kevin Eastman created, that's about it. I grow kinda tired of the whinging sessions about him though... Amanda __________________

03-05-2004, 11:30 PM	#6
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	I think he should at least consider what the fans want... after all, who made him rich? Who keeps paying him for the comics? Who keeps him in buisness? It's great he does what he wants, but he often comes across rude to fans who offer constructive criticism. I could understand if the fan was like "OMG d00d, j00r t3h 50xx0rz!!!11! D0 7h!5! lolz!", but the ones he responds to are usually more thought out and valid. And that all goes back to my point that it's the fans who are the ones giving him money to buy his Segways and live a decent life.

03-06-2004, 09:10 AM	#13
Nate Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Close enough to kill you ;) Posts: 301	I love him. That is all. __________________

03-06-2004, 10:14 AM	#14
Lord Nightwalker Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 698	Peter Laird? I think he's human. Like the rest of us..Well..Like "most" of us. I have nothing against the man, And I see no reason to scream and yell at him eighter. He's doing what he enjoys doing, and the rest of us get to read stories about charachters we love to read about. So what if we occassionaly don't like the way a story plays out, there's always the next one. There' will always be stories that will not make everyone happy. That's just how it is. Just remeber, The good ones will be there too. If you where the creator, and everyone kept telling you how to write about YOUR creations, How would you feel about it? I would just tell you flat out if you don't like it, don't read it. That simple. We would have stories that we want to tell, and we'd tell them. wether "fans" liked them or not. I hold nothing against Him.

03-06-2004, 11:59 AM	#15
raphael_is_cool Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: England Posts: 2,151	He helped create the turtles and he's brought them back Nuff said (don't ask me why I used that expression)

03-06-2004, 12:12 PM	#16
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	After 20 years he is still closely involved with the TMNT. That is something that few comic book artists do. One has to respect him for that.

03-06-2004, 12:28 PM	#17
Orochi Chimera Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,289	I don't know much about him. Just that he is one of the TMNT creators and that he made millions off of them. I don't really care to know much more about him. I'm not the type of person to idolize someone. I usually don't care who creates the content as long as I like the content. I keep content and creators seperate in terms of what/who I like. Just like if I like a song, it doesn't mean that I automatically like the singer/band at all. It's the same with everything else.

03-06-2004, 12:53 PM	#18
host_punktmy Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shadow Moses Posts: 469	I'm with Major Pain except for the death threat and the turtles making him where he is today since i don't draw... __________________ "Eat this" www.geocities.com/kingsofpain408 This is our site

03-06-2004, 03:09 PM	#19
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,417	God dammit, not one THESE threads again, they only exist to provoke flame-bait, and at least with the whole Utrom/Shredder debate, it was done rather cleanly. Noone's telling you to waste your money , or your time reading Volume Four, but fans of his work DO like Laird's current MIRAGE comics. I'm sick of the co-creator getting his ass beat down simply because of a few bitter selfish nerds. He gave us TMNT with Kevin Eastman, respect him. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

03-06-2004, 03:26 PM	#20
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	Let me clear my post up... I didn't mean he should change things with the comic, just how he deals with fans who disagree with him. He's often rude to fans who give suggestions. He dosent have to, and shoulden't have to, use them, but he SHOULD at least be nice to his fans. He can't expect everyone to send in praise with everything he does. EDIT: I DO enjoy the coimcs, that's not what this thread is about, it's about what we think of Laird.