Supposedly Someone Who Has Read The Script Had This To Say About It [Archive]

Leo656

08-23-2012, 12:20 AM

Meh. I predict 95% of this IS true (probably more like 100%), based on how these movies usually turn out. And y'know what? I still think it just might be good, decent, or even great. Won't know until we see it, but nothing in that sounds like a deal-killer, and it's literally nothing we haven't seen before in other interpretations...

...except the big one. Turtles from Dimension X, huh? I'll live with it. Either they want to keep the origin story nice and short and simple by having all the main characters come from the same place, while playing up the sci-fi angles to sell more toys (VERY likely), OR this is one of those "Everything you thought you knew is wrong" kinda things they do now and then in fiction to freshen up and expand the mythology (ALSO very likely).

It's not blasphemy. "Blasphemy" was that God-awful "April was a drawing" story. If that garbage is canon, then the TMNT can be from Dimension X. Maybe the stuff about the mutagen was a lie, or a half-truth for all we know. This stuff's fake, man, get over it. "Card Subject To Change" and all that.

Like it or not, Nostradamus predicts that the Turtles movie is going to be 95-99% of what's in that description, and it's what I've said they were gonna do since they announced the movie. It can still be really good, and probably will be at least decent. People aren't being fair. If it sucks I will be the FIRST one to say so, but nothing I've heard so far makes me think it will suck, except for the Mirage hardcores who are guaranteed to hate it, and they're a bunch'a Gloomy Gusses anyways.

Crying and boycotting won't help you, it just means they'll never make another Turtles movie. Your loss. Don't go see it, I hate waiting in line for tickets and popcorn anyways. :P

Powder

08-23-2012, 01:31 AM

C'mon son. C'mon.

In all seriousness though, I'd give that a shot. Who cares? If the movie is gonna be an alternate thing, let them try something new. Not big on the whole army of alien turtles, but that plot with just the four of them being the last of their kind or whatever would be something I'd humor.

Spitfire

08-23-2012, 02:38 AM

That sounds like the kind of "creative" re-imagining a Hollywood producer would come up with. "Derp aliens are easier to swallow then mutants. The general public can't accept mutants. The X-men films weren't popular or anything!"

Honestly though at this point I really don't give a crap anymore. They want to make money so they'll do whatever they think will make them money. I'm never getting my Mirage accurate movie. I'm never getting full body suits again. I'm never getting a movie without lots of silly crap like pizza eating and burping.

It's a new world. The day will come when someone can pull the turtles out of whatever they are viewed as and do them a way I want to see but that day is long off. By the time it happens I might not even care anymore.

Leo656

08-23-2012, 03:01 AM

Or maybe you'll be the guy to make it. :)

Think about it, even if you or someone else did a so-called "fan-film", put it on YouTube, and millions more people saw it than would in a theatre, and it wasn't big budget but it WAS Mirage accurate, AND a labor of love, and people who LOVED Mirage to pieces thought it was perfect and terrific... would that be a bad thing?

I think it'd be a GREAT thing, honestly. Because Hollywood will never do it, and I want to see someone take their shot, this is America baby! In the modern age, so called "independent" cinema is on fire! Does it need a Hollywood stamp on it, a Hollywood budget, and a theater release to be validated? I say no. Some people say internet fan films are stupid, childish wastes of time. I say *sometimes*, but it's ALSO talented, creative people giving the finger to The System and doing the stuff THEY want to see, and God Bless 'Em.

I mean yeah, it'd cost a bit of money but hey, "labor of love" and all that. For as many people hate on Hollywood's take on TMNT, you'd think someone would have the gumption to make their Mirage TMNT film. God knows there's enough homemade Batmans to fill a zoo.

Bob

08-23-2012, 09:22 AM

This is what I think could happen. The film will start with the Turtles and Splinter already on Earth. In fact, the Turtles have probably been here since they were either babies or very young. So, basically, they grew up in New York, developed the accents, developed a taste for pizza, learnt to be ninjas, etc. Pretty much, they grew up immersed in human culture. Basically, when we first meet them, they’re the characters we’ve all come to know, including Splinter. However, later on in the film, we learn their true origins and whatnot. Basically, I think it will be a fairly “faithful” adaptation, but with a different “twist” to their origins. I think this is what the director and Michael Bay have been alluding to. Everything will "look" and “feel” the same, but it will be different.

Logan

08-23-2012, 11:11 AM

Having the Turtles go from mutants to aliens sort of reminds of that director's proposed film for Mortal Kombat where he took some of the characters and completely changed them, making them more grounded in "reality". I hate it. Don't fix it if there's no problems.

But considering all the backlash that's come from the Turtles being from an alien race, I wouldn't be surprised if the new script eliminates that detail.

The Stryker

08-23-2012, 11:36 AM

Having the Turtles go from mutants to aliens sort of reminds of that director's proposed film for Mortal Kombat where he took some of the characters and completely changed them, making them more grounded in "reality". I hate it. Don't fix it if there's no problems.

Did you actually watch the short films? They respected the MK mythology while adding neat new wrinkles to it. They're actually pretty damn good and interesting.

I have to say this again about changes to Ninja Turtles. It doesn't have to be 'broken' to be completely stale and tired.

pannoni1

08-23-2012, 11:41 AM

"Turtles from Dimension X" sounds sillier than the Turtleoids from another planet in our home dimension! I can understand why it was such a lame idea, and while I don't mind warrior turtles like the Turtleoids from another dimension, it just is wrong for the Turtles not to originate from a glass bowl or in a body of water or in the wild on land. I sort of like the idea that if revised correctly this could perhaps be the movie version of "Planet of the Turtleoids". Also since Dimension X is coming to Nick, there is a possibility that this movie could still be canon with the Nick cartoon, though that seems unlikely at this point.

CyberCubed

08-23-2012, 11:41 AM

I just don't understand why Viacom/Nick would allow them to make such drastic changes to the characters.

They know good and well kids who watch the new cartoon will go see the movie next year, and to see the Turtles being aliens makes no sense.

Bob

08-23-2012, 01:37 PM

I’ve come in contact with someone on IMDB who does have the script. I’m going to ask them a few questions.

TurtleTitan97

08-23-2012, 01:39 PM

I highly doubt this is true. Until we get confirmed info from the people working on this film, I'm not beliving any of this.

Jester

08-23-2012, 01:41 PM

Maybe ask for real verification they actually have a script and not just going on what someone on the internet says....

Bob

08-23-2012, 01:44 PM

Maybe ask for real verification they actually have a script and not just going on what someone on the internet says....

To be fair, he's just offered to email me the script. I declined, though, but now I'm tempted. I think I'll stick to the questions for now. I will say, though, that I do believe the poster, as I've been talking to him for years and he has had scripts before.

Anyway, I've just sent him a PM asking a few questions. Once he replies I'll post his answers here. I may ask for a copy, too. Haven't decided yet.

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 01:45 PM

To be fair, he's just offered to email me the script. I declined, though, but now I'm tempted. I think I'll stick to the questions for now. I will say, though, that I do believe the poster, as I've been talking to him for years and he has had scripts before.
Why would you not take that opprotunity?

Bob

08-23-2012, 01:47 PM

Why would you not take that opprotunity?

Yeah, I think I will now. It’s unbearable.

Bob

08-23-2012, 01:49 PM

Slap-Happy, just sent a PM. :)

Bob

08-23-2012, 01:52 PM

Did that PM work, Slap-Happy? It’s not in my sent box. :-?

Bob

08-23-2012, 01:57 PM

Okay, I've just asked for a copy. I think some people aren't going to like what they've done to Shredder........

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 01:57 PM

It worked. I have a copy of this script. Looks official, but you never know.

It's dated January 30th, so it's still an early draft.

Jester

08-23-2012, 01:59 PM

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 01:59 PM

Bob

08-23-2012, 02:00 PM

Um, just for the sake of argument, IMDB also has a short cast list, with Jason Marsden as Donnie, and Sean Astin and Greg Cipes reprising their roles from the Nick series.

I think we have to take what IMDB say with a freakin' salt lick.

Likely that was just edited by someone with far too much time on their hands. The script is a different deal. I have a copy now. It looks legit. Not sure if I want to read it all, though, or just skim……

Bob

08-23-2012, 02:02 PM

Also, from what I've heard of the Turtles, it’s not handled as badly as some have feared. And don’t worry, Splinter is in it. But Shredder....my goodness......

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 02:06 PM

This thing reads kinda like Transformers, but with the Turtles replacing Transformers.

Yeah, "Schrader's" pretty bad.

Bob

08-23-2012, 02:12 PM

I can kind of see why Paramount wanted to get the budget down. It seems very expensive.

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 02:18 PM

The Turtles wear black masks for about two minutes. Then Casey says he can't tell them apart and gives them color coded masks.

Raphael has a huge disdain for Casey during this first 50 pages.

Also, Raph offers to kill April's dad. Kinda out of character if you ask me...

Bob

08-23-2012, 02:31 PM

Haven't seen Krang yet. A what page does he first appear? Just seen him mentioned.

Slade

08-23-2012, 02:38 PM

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 02:38 PM

Scrolling through and I haven't seen him yet.

This line makes me laugh:

AGGRO CAURD O.S. (CONT'D)
Come get a taste of The Wu-Tang!!!

PAAATE

08-23-2012, 02:47 PM

Hey, could someone please give me a copy of the script! :) I love reading scripts and this one seems... "special".

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 02:53 PM

Hey, could someone please give me a copy of the script! :) I love reading scripts and this one seems... "special".
Check your PM's...

Slade

08-23-2012, 02:58 PM

I'd take one too if it aint to much trouble.

Allio

08-23-2012, 03:08 PM

What of me? could this mutation get a copy

rufus

08-23-2012, 03:09 PM

Could I get a copy?if not to much trouble.

Bob

08-23-2012, 03:46 PM

It looks like everyone was up in arms about the wrong thing. The Turtles being aliens…..yes, it’s true, but to be perfectly honest it’s handled okay. It could have been a lot worse. Trust me, its not actually that bad. Don’t worry; they don’t come down in some huge spaceship. ***spoilers*** Basically, they’ve obviously been here since they were babies. They actually think they were mutated from real Turtles. It’s not until much later on that they find out their true origins from a fifth turtle.

The real thing we should all be concerned about is what they’ve done to Shredder.....

Jester

08-23-2012, 03:50 PM

If this is all for real, this movie is going to fail....badly.

The Stryker

08-23-2012, 03:56 PM

Just like those Transformers movies that everyone hates!

Wait.

Jester

08-23-2012, 04:01 PM

Ok, let me elaborate, if what I'm reading now is what is actually filmed, I'm not wasting my money on it.

The Stryker

08-23-2012, 04:03 PM

I'm sure you won't. We all believe you.

PAAATE

08-23-2012, 04:13 PM

I've read the first 32 pages, and I like it so far. It's got heart, action, comedy. Not a whole lot of intelligence, but... yeah. :p Not the most original story, but done well enough... so far.

I'll keep reading tomorrow. It's past midnight here and I have some writing of my own to do... -_-

TurtleTitan97

08-23-2012, 04:22 PM

Just started reading my copy. It's an interesting script.

Xav

08-23-2012, 04:27 PM

I just found a review of the script and a link to it.
http://tmntnottant.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-tant-script-reviewed.html

Spitfire

08-23-2012, 04:50 PM

You just had to go and find a copy. Now the writer in me is intrigued...send it this way if you don't mind. I gotta read this thing for myself.

Powder

08-23-2012, 05:04 PM

Somebody hook me up with a script please.

ToTheNines

08-23-2012, 05:35 PM

I'd appreciate a look see at it if some one would like to help me out. Thanks!

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 06:07 PM

Anyone looking for the script, go to the review Xav posted. There's a download link there.

Powder

08-23-2012, 06:10 PM

20 pages in it has my interest. Aspects of this are kinda cheesey but its definitely painting a picture, and I like what I see so far. Especially considering Casey having such a large role.

oldmanwinters

08-23-2012, 06:18 PM

Heck, looks like the O'Neil family are big Michigan Wolverines fans and hat the Ohio State Buckeyes. I LOVE this script! What's everybody complaining about? :tlol:

Roseangelo

08-23-2012, 06:26 PM

I won't be able to sit down and give it full attention until a bit later tonight, but I scanned a few pages, including the ending... It's like they took Peter's "TMNT Bible" rules and wrote the exact opposite. LOL...

joe-eyeball

08-23-2012, 06:27 PM

If someone could pass along a copy to me that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!!!

EDIT: found it!

Spitfire

08-23-2012, 06:27 PM

I'm gonna post what I think as I read...

Unnecessary mustache is a hilarious character description.
Did he seriously just say "Eye****s?"
Did they just ask an 18 year old to go have beer with them?
This scene between April and Casey is not only extremely cliche but sounds nothing like either character. Their names might as well be Bob and Linda.
I like the idea of telling the story through Casey, it's one I've used myself, but I'd prefer it be in a clever way. So far you could change out Casey for Justin Bieber and make some lame coming of age movie.
Nice cartoon moment with the manifest change.
The swearing in the writing is hilarious and unnecessary, like that guys mustache.
Turning the Foot into private military types is really retarded. And using Alice lore for code words is super cliche.
The truck vaccuming up dirt is so ridiclious...
Krang? Really? I guess I should have expected that.
This April Casey relationship is awful. I liked it better when they met through the turtles. This bad teen romance crap isn't cutting it. Plus I'm sure they'd cast a super model to play April and let me tell you when a super model asks you to move to New York with her, and she has an apartment already, you do it.
If I'm a fan I already hate this so that disclaimer doesn't help. "They look like what you remember but in a way we think is better!" Yeah like Dante's "awesome" redesign in the new DMC game...
So Raph and Leo get paragraphs to describe them and their looks and Don gets a half assed sentence?
So we're building up Mikey to be the one we're all waiting to see?
Leo and Raph take out all the guards while Don does nothing. And why the hell did Raph hand the stick to Leo? Minus the end he just broke off it's bascially a bo staff.
Like the Panda comment was ass enough, the serving Kung fu for dinner line is even worse.
I still really hate the Foot being military guys with guns...
Well Mikey said it for me, seriously. Using their shells as bullet sheilds is ****ing retarded.
Also how are they all hiding behind one turtle? That makes no sense considering the size Leo and Raph are described as being.
Nice OT moment with the elevator...
Actually we have seen it before in TMNT 2, even had bowling pin sounds. And to be honest I never wanted to see it again.
Watching the turtles fight dudes with guns who could easily kill them is a really bad idea. The bullet proof line barely makes this excusable. I want to see them fighting other skilled fighters not disposable soliders.
That forklift into the SUV thing was severly retarded. I'm starting to worry for this writer. His brain isn't right.
Enough with the stupid shell gags already!
Tree branch sai? Ugh...
Gun holster nunchucks? SERIOUSLY?! This is actually so bad it's starting to piss me off.
Farm tool weapons? This is Ninja Turtles not Macguyver!
Well at least they're not aliens in this script.
Way to glaze over the origin story. I mean that...keep it quick and simple.
Here's a chance to give them the iconic red masks and they go with Black? This writer needs to be smacked with a make shift baseball bat!
Introduction of the colored masks is as LAME as always.
Well it's clearly the Leo and Raph show yet again. Sorry Mikey you're the turtle people want to see but aparently not hear. Actually that's Don who again gets screwed in the dialgue and combat department.
Use the shell crap one more time, one more mother ****ing time, I dare you, I double dare you!
Brain sick like this horrid writer!
Oh they hear a loud crash but none of the screaming?
Oh Get Together is playing during a fight between two brothers, how eye rollingly clever...

45 pages in and I want to strangle the person who wrote this. Thankfully I'm going to guess the producers who read it know it's awful and won't be using most of it. It reads like it was written by someone who read a paragraph summary of the entire franchise and know **** all else.

zkarlette

08-23-2012, 06:36 PM

Those spoilers sure make It sound super cliche and terrible, hopefully they will change that script, I wonder if it's even legit...

Spitfire

08-23-2012, 06:39 PM

Those spoilers sure make It sound super cliche and terrible, hopefully they will change that script, I wonder if it's even legit...

It has to be. No fan would write a script that lacked any turtles identity of it's own. They took the blockbuster formula and slapped the turtles into it. Military guys, lots of shouting, horrid jokes, and bad re-imaginings of established characters. You know saying it's like Transformers isn't far off. Casey and April might as well be Buff and Fox.

Bob

08-23-2012, 06:40 PM

Interesting to note that the script is dated from the 30th January. Work definitely would have been done on this since, since this is from way before it was put on hold. Also, it was obviously written before a director would have come on board.

I haven’t read it fully, just skimmed bits. Can someone who has read it point in the direction of Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady’s first appearance, like the page numbers. I want to read how they’re described. I can't find their introductions anywhere.

TurtleTitan97

08-23-2012, 06:41 PM

I'm really digging the Splinter vs. Bebop & Rocksteady fight in the lair.

Bob

08-23-2012, 06:43 PM

I think Krang beats the crap out of Leo. Anyway, I'm going to put things in spoilers tags from now on. I think we all have to be careful of posting any major spoilers.

CyberCubed

08-23-2012, 06:55 PM

Those bastards can't make the Turtles come from an alien planet. They can't, they can't!

Jester

08-23-2012, 07:20 PM

2 words: Colonel Schrader. Are you kidding me!? Where 4Kids combined Shredder and Krang, this combines Shredder with Agent Bishop??

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 07:25 PM

Well at least they're not aliens in this script.

You are going to be VERY disappointed by the end...

ToTheNines

08-23-2012, 07:27 PM

The whole thing is just a dumb script. I hate everything about it.

I won't nitpick the whole thing, though. One thing I will say is that this Schrader business has got to end.

Bob

08-23-2012, 07:29 PM

Found the descriptions. Bebop and Rocksteady are described just like how they appear in the toon. Even the colours are correct. Very happy about that. Krang, meanwhile, is described as being grey, and his metallic suit has four arms.

Schrader, oddly enough, doesn't get any description at all.

Jester

08-23-2012, 07:31 PM

You are going to be VERY disappointed by the end...
Dear lord, it gets WORSE?

Spitfire

08-23-2012, 07:31 PM

You are going to be VERY disappointed by the end...

Nothing can disappoint me at this point. I have expectations so low that even Satan stands above them.

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 07:36 PM

Dear lord, it gets WORSE?

Nothing can disappoint me at this point. I have expectations so low that even Satan stands above them.

They ARE aliens. And they show Krang killing their parents.

EDIT: Oh, and guess what? They put their sons into the care of their most trusted friend... Master Splinter.
This thing is a trainwreck.

Bob

08-23-2012, 07:39 PM

If I had to choose one thing about this script that rubs me up the wrong way, its what they’ve done to Shredder and the Foot. That is dreadful, whichever way you cut it. I find it quite odd how "Schrader" isn’t described physically at all. Everyone else is. Strange.

The Turtles, IMO, have actually got off quite lightly. How they’re handled isn’t actually as bad as was feared. IMO, at least. But Shredder…………I was looking forward to seeing him. On the plus side, Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady sound like they could be good.

pannoni1

08-23-2012, 07:40 PM

This script wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, though it obviously needs a lot of editing in order for this to be good. As they say, the enemies of a franchise are the fans, where if they insult the project too much, then there is no reason for such a product to exist. I actually like the idea of having Casey and April being introduced as normal young adults, though I would make them a little older (Casey at 23 and April at 21 since they mention their college experience and that we already have April interning at a high profile news corporation!) We do get introduced to Casey's mother Evelyn, and being that she's in her 50s, Casey should be somewhere in his 20s. But if April can be at Channel 6 at 18, perhaps in the Nick Toon during Season 3 she will do so there. We also reveal that April's father is named Harry, which sort of makes sense since April's middle name from the original cartoon was Harriet. Though in New York, the CBS affiliate is on Channel 2, not 6. (The Blackrock building is mentioned which is indeed CBS's news headquarters).

I feel that the name "Schrader" was chosen since it sounds fairly similar to Shredder, and its weird having a TMNT script featuring Krang, Rocksteady, Bebop, the Technodrome, and the Foot, but no Shredder. Perhaps Schrader becomes Shredder in a sequel. This script makes even Seasons 4 and 5 of the OT feel serious and real, and who knows if the "so bad it's good" tactic could have worked. Even though it isn't too violent, this looks to be a PG-13 movie based on profanity. Overall, I feel it's not completely garbage, but lots of revisions are needed in order for this project to work, and I feel that people have overreacted on the negativity of this movie. It's a shame that many people don't have the courage to help rather than insult them and sadly don't believe that there can be positive things.

Spitfire

08-23-2012, 07:40 PM

The last sentence made me die inside. I can't set my standards any lower and somehow this pushes past them.

We get it, Batman did well at the box office.

the_minimizer

08-23-2012, 07:45 PM

The writers should be shrunk with the minimizer, run over with the Technodrome, turned into flies, put on pizza and fed to mousers.

CyberCubed

08-23-2012, 07:48 PM

Then why the hell did Kevin Eastman say this was going to be the best TMNT movie ever made?

Is he insane?

ToTheNines

08-23-2012, 07:50 PM

Then why the hell did Kevin Eastman say this was going to be the best TMNT movie ever made?

Is he insane?

No. Just too nice.

Jester

08-23-2012, 07:51 PM

Wow, Bebop and Rocksteady's turn from credible threat to bumbling idiots took less time here, then in the FW show. Good on ya, movie.

Powder

08-23-2012, 07:52 PM

Just read it beginning to end. I actually... really liked it. The whole Schrader thing is my only large gripe.

I'm totally open for OT rehashing, and taking wild new directions for things. Just so long as more familiar things co-exist (like the IDW book & Nick show).

Obviously there are a lot of flaws with it, but as far as the overall plot, character changes (Barring Shredder), & humor go, I'm open to this.

Donnie

08-23-2012, 07:54 PM

I am so baffled by this audacious script. I really don't know what to make of it. One thing I do know? I'm extremely pleased that it was canned.

Donatello19

08-23-2012, 07:56 PM

okay, i just finished reading most of the script. i gotta say, this movie is going to be HORRIBLE (if they go with this script). Why are bebop and rocksteady going to be in this, the just seem out of place. they could have used the new mutants from the new nick show. also, why is there no shredder in this movie?!?! I am very confused about the script, is it a sequel to the original movies? is is tied in to the new nick show? everything in the script seems weird, the turtles being aliens is stupid and destroys everything we know and love about the TMNT's origin. i really hope this script is not the final one, i think it would be better if there was no movie at all.

So my final question is, is this movie going to be related to...

The original Movie series

The New Nick Series

Or will it be something completely different?

Spitfire

08-23-2012, 07:57 PM

t's a shame that many people don't have the courage to help rather than insult them and sadly don't believe that there can be positive things.

I'd write a script in a heartbeat but they'd ignore it. Also I wouldn't be getting paid, which assuming this is real the moron who wrote this did. I'd also get no credit and have no hand in making sure it was actually done the way I wrote it.

The only saving grace is that the studio obviously didn't buy it so we'll see where it goes from here.

As for Eastman, well these days Eastman seems to like everything. He's the polar opposite of Laird who hates everything. That's why they probably worked so well together. They balanced.

prophecy718

08-23-2012, 07:58 PM

I would have liked for Casey and April to be older. It almost sounds like a teen movie at the beginning.

Colonel Shraeder tho....LOL....

So Casey Jones is the one giving the turtles colors and not Splinter.

To be honest, there are some parts where it could work but obviously, the final script will be different from this early draft. I'm not going to judge until we hear more about the actual film.

CyberCubed

08-23-2012, 08:01 PM

No. Just too nice.

It's times like this you have to appreciate Peter Laird for flat-out telling people something is stupid and utterly moronic.

ToTheNines

08-23-2012, 08:10 PM

It's times like this you have to appreciate Peter Laird for flat-out telling people something is stupid and utterly moronic.

Meh. Peter is guilty of plenty of moronic things himself.

CyberCubed

08-23-2012, 08:11 PM

I hope to god this entire script is trashed.

I'd even prefer them to take a cue from IDW and have the Turtles be reincarnated than have anything to do with aliens.

Donnie

08-23-2012, 08:28 PM

It's times like this you have to appreciate Peter Laird for flat-out telling people something is stupid and utterly moronic.

Yep.

Meh. Peter is guilty of plenty of moronic things himself.

Peter is the only one I'll ever fully trust. Even if he DID put Donatello back into a robot body in Volume 4. Eastman's lousy track record speaks for itself. Everything is "cool" to the guy.

I hope to god this entire script is trashed.

I'd even prefer them to take a cue from IDW and have the Turtles be reincarnated than have anything to do with aliens.

Same here.

The Stryker

08-23-2012, 09:14 PM

Know something? I don't hate it. It's actually sort of interesting in that it's different but with familiar tones and characters.

Call me crazy but I'm sorta sick and tired of Ninja Turtles being exactly the same almost every time. Atleast the Transformers were animals once.

And nothing will ever be worse than the 'April is a drawing' garbage.

the_minimizer

08-23-2012, 09:37 PM

Casey Jones thought the turtles were martians when he first saw them in the OT. I wonder if the writers saw that episode.

Jester

08-23-2012, 09:54 PM

I can handle change, but these changes seem to be for the sake of change, and not to make a good story.

Slap-Happy

08-23-2012, 09:59 PM

I just finished this thing. What a piece of sh*t.

"You gotta BELIEVE!"

Slade

08-23-2012, 10:02 PM

For the most part, the story wasn't bad. The action seemed like it would be really good. Leo, Raph and Don seemed really in character. Mikey on the other hand was just kinda there.

This "script"(I don't believe it's legit) could damn well be a very good fandic that would allow the use of made up characters. Like it wasn't actually made for the turtles. Like DBE......which means I would see it once and never ever again.

The Stryker

08-23-2012, 10:08 PM

I can handle change, but these changes seem to be for the sake of change, and not to make a good story.

But some changes aren't made to make a good new story. It's to refresh things and shake it up. I liked the script sort of as an Elseworlds type of story and that's a-ok because Ninja Turtles as it exists currently is S-T-A-L-E.

Also TMNT fans complain about ANY change so it's hard to judge what kind of change is the wrong one. This is the place that was demanding a written explanation for months over a third toe.

Leo656

08-23-2012, 10:41 PM

Looks pretty awful overall. All the stuff I said "could work" doesn't look to be presented in any way that WILL work. This has Transformers 2 written all over it. I know it made money, but it did everything wrong that the first one did right.

Ah well. At least now we know MOST of what we'll be getting, since there's no way they have the time/money to start COMPLETELY over on a new script. They'll use like 3/4 of this and fill in the rest with fluff. At least we know what we're getting.

Last TMNT movie for at least another 10 years, you heard it here first. I hope I'm wrong, though.

CyberCubed

08-23-2012, 11:13 PM

What kind of idiots thought this was the way to bring TMNT back to the big screen?

Jester

08-23-2012, 11:16 PM

I'd say "Michael Bay" but...well...you know.

Say what you will about him only producing, but reading this thing it reeks of Bay-O

Toby Barrett

08-23-2012, 11:22 PM

Yeah... I think I'll just stick with the original trilogy, thank you.

CyberCubed

08-23-2012, 11:38 PM

The problem people are overlooking is no matter how bad the reviews are, this is still a major movie that will be seen by millions of casuals.

It isn't something we can sweep under the rug like the Next Mutation and Venus' character. Or something like April being a drawing in the comics that few people even know about. This is a major movie. Look at the way terrible movies like Batman & Robin are still remembered and made fun of nearly 20 years later.

The TMNT fandom will seriously never be able to live this down. It'll make the 3rd and 4th TMNT movies look like masterpieces in comparison.

Donnie

08-23-2012, 11:46 PM

I'd say "Michael Bay" but...well...you know.

Say what you will about him only producing, but reading this thing it reeks of Bay-O

Yep.

How many times did they use their damn shells for epic feats in this script? Holy hell!

Slap-Happy

08-24-2012, 12:51 AM

Yep.

How many times did they use their damn shells for epic feats in this script? Holy hell!
Holy f*ck I could not stand the shell gags.

AquaParade

08-24-2012, 12:53 AM

pm, pretty please?

Slap-Happy

08-24-2012, 01:02 AM

pm, pretty please?

Download link is in the review below.

I just found a review of the script and a link to it.
http://tmntnottant.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-tant-script-reviewed.html

ToTheNines

08-24-2012, 04:13 AM

Nitpick time.

Schrader needs scrapped, asap. Make him a new character (Or just replace him with Krang from the start) and save the real Shredder for the sequel. Perhaps I missed something but there needs to be a story behind how Splinter learned Ninjustsu. They could easily save that for a sequel, and have Hamato Yoshi, Oroku Saki, the real Foot Clan and all that good stuff.

I actually really like the idea of April being a small town girl who's not from NY, but I hate that for Casey, he's a life long New Yorker. His character was so Sam Witwicky.

The color headband scene would be way cooler if they were all red, Casey tries to give them new one's and Raph basically says "F*** you, I'm keeping mine". Don't know how they missed that one.

I don't like them being 17. Total nitpick, I know, but each new universe should start the turtles at 13-15.

That orb stuff was retarded, and the name "Dimension X" is just so corny. I understand the use of Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and the Technodrome, but you can draw the line there.

Spitfire

08-24-2012, 04:27 AM

The color headband scene would be way cooler if they were all red, Casey tries to give them new one's and Raph basically says "F*** you, I'm keeping mine". Don't know how they missed that one.

I thought the exact same thing there. It fits with Raph's attitude up to that point quite well.

Slap-Happy

08-24-2012, 04:44 AM

One thing that bothers me is that The Shredder, arguably one of the most iconic cartoon/comic villains of the past couple of decades is almost unrecognizable, while Bebop and Rocksteady are literally EXACTLY the same as how they appeared in OT.

I mean... What the f*ck?

Cryomancer

08-24-2012, 06:01 AM

This post is full of spoilers, if that's a warning you have to give when talking about a maybe-not-real probably-early script for a movie that is in development hell.

Just read that whole thing. There are quite a few really, really stupid parts. But I dunno, maybe half or so of this makes for a kinda-ok movie, I guess? Even the dimension X stuff is potentially interesting if executed well. If they go with this I'd guess it'll be shittier than 2007 but potentially better than the third movie. Nerdy nitpicking time:

But boy were there a lot of really terrible scenes in there sprinkled around. And yeah that Shredder is pretty lame, and of course it has a no-one-will-ever-care military hero inserted. The use of their shells in combat situations is a decent idea, but holy crap do they ever over-use it. I was thinking pinball in my head already, and then the script used "pinballs" as a verb. Krang had so few lines that he may as well have never talked, or spoken only in an alien language. At least they got to kill him, anyway.

Casey seems like he's supposed to be the main character, but he's pretty much shoved into his situation so he can be a plot device. He lives far away now because they want to have them traveling on the road, but it only takes them like two scenes to get to NY anyway. He has to be young because April is young (so she can be an intern), yet his mom is on his case to move out and grow up already as if he's pushing 30. And somehow his hockey is for kids too even though the rest of his team is apparently in their 40s.

How can they even build the Technodrome if they don't have power? And how does it somehow consume power drastically faster than it takes it in? Why the hell does Don tether a laptop when he could have just used the ipad to do his search? Apparently their internet has "santioned URLs" and "underground blogposts" results. Three ipads and an iphone in the movie (and a terrible angry birds thing). Why would turtle people from dimension X name their kids after people from Earth? Perhaps they could have worked in some line about the Renaissance being the last time the worlds connected or something. Why the hell would the turtle guy call them "rockstar"? Movie nearly ends on a "smoking hot turtle chick".

And Bebop should really be the one with the gold deagles, c'mon now.

Donnie

08-24-2012, 08:13 AM

My biggest problem with Shredder is how he's finished off, or captured. The main villain becomes Krang, taking away from the awesome Turtles v. Shredder bout that might have been somewhat of a redeeming quality.

It's mostly all rubbish. Do they think us older fans are just going to eat this sh*t up just because they throw in a few curse words? "Those older fans will be so pleased, a vulgar TMNT just like they always wanted!"

the_minimizer

08-24-2012, 08:37 AM

This is what happens when you get people unfamiliar with the franchise involved. Look at Freddy vs Jason. It was directed by someone who knew nothing about either franchise and it was a horrible movie. Sadly, it was what New Line wanted.

James Cameron was working on a script for Alien 5 that involved Arnold Schwarzenegger. It was what everyone wanted. The moment he found out that Alien vs Predator was being made, he trashed up the script and got majorly pissed. He said it ruined the validity of the franchise.

JJ Abrams rebooted Star Trek which I actually thought was good despite being a Trekkie. It made Star Trek popular again but it pissed off alot of people.

The Stryker

08-24-2012, 08:41 AM

CyberCubed

08-24-2012, 09:34 AM

Is there a chance the script make be fake? Just curious but why is this assumed to be 100% legit?

Xav

08-24-2012, 09:45 AM

I don't know, I guess it depends on how much you can trust the original poster.

Bob

08-24-2012, 09:57 AM

I don't know, I guess it depends on how much you can trust the original poster.

Please don't say that. The script isn't fake.

CyberCubed

08-24-2012, 10:12 AM

I wish whoever wrote this script was torn limb from limb and never allowed to work on TMNT again.

How could they not have Shredder and the Foot be ninja's? Makes no sense.

The Stryker

08-24-2012, 10:19 AM

Could be real, could be a fake. Could be the script that was scrapped.

Nobody really knows. Just saying that the OP is just some dude getting things from some other dude so how's about we simmer down on the freaking out because it might be a radically different end product.

Or... You know. You can continue wishing death on people for getting your favorite cartoon 'wrong'.

How could they not have Shredder and the Foot be ninja's? Makes no sense.

Because it's supposed to be different?

How could they make Superman a communist? Makes no sense! Joker is just a random guy with facepaint? Makes no sense! Thor isn't some guy that transforms into Thor? Makes no sense!

Allio

08-24-2012, 10:21 AM

my opinion... meh, I have really no problems with it...

though I really liked the ninja mission going on in that building

I kind of pictured Leonardo with the TMNT voice

Please don't say that. The script isn't fake.

but there isn't really any proof of the scripts legitimacy

Slap-Happy

08-24-2012, 10:24 AM

I do believe that the script is real. Platinum Dunes has had trouble keeping scripts from getting out before.

CyberCubed

08-24-2012, 10:27 AM

prophecy718

08-24-2012, 10:32 AM

:lol: i just realized this thread has "gay" as a tag

anyways, like i said before, legit or not- I would expect the final script to be different from what we read. At least this script would give us an idea of what direction they were thinking about taking for this movie.

How about we just wait for more updates before some of you trash this movie lol

CyberCubed

08-24-2012, 10:37 AM

Bob

08-24-2012, 10:37 AM

I wish whoever wrote this script was torn limb from limb and never allowed to work on TMNT again.

Its actually fans like you that make me wish for things to be as different as possible, so then it might give you the incentive to just say “F##k it, life's too short” and grow up. I mean, I've been reading the little fortune cookies you've been leaving every few posts, and it sounds like you're really suffering. Just let it go.

The Stryker

08-24-2012, 10:41 AM

Should we spread the script around other forums and movie sites? Maybe if we do and they don't like that their script is out there a year before it comes out they would try to change it, or at least rewrite the bad parts.

Oh lord. You always try to turn everything into some sort of bullsh*t grass roots movement.

Every script undergoes massive rewrites and this film is very specifically in a rewrite phase.

PAAATE

08-24-2012, 10:54 AM

Because those scumbags are destroying the characters. The alien thing probably won't be scraped but destroying the Shredder is unforgivable.

I don't mind Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady but the rest is a slap in the face to the last 30 years of the franchise.

I wish whoever wrote this script was torn limb from limb and never allowed to work on TMNT again.

How could they not have Shredder and the Foot be ninja's? Makes no sense.

Should we spread the script around other forums and movie sites? Maybe if we do and they don't like that their script is out there a year before it comes out they would try to change it, or at least rewrite the bad parts.

1. Set up an appointment with a therapist.
2. Go there. Seriously.
3. Try to be a better human being.

I hope you find happiness some day, and that it isn't TMNT-related. You soooo need it.

the_minimizer

08-24-2012, 11:04 AM

The thing is, you can't honestly expect them to hire big fans of the franchise because that would be awful.

Also it would never get made because it would be a clusterf*ck to write. Its best to get someone with decent credentials and a general understanding of the thing.

You get fans involved and you get a movie that is inaccessible to other people.

Wait, what was so wrong about Freddy Vs. Jason? Had stupid teens, sex and all kinds of violence. What did you expect out of that movie? Shakespere?

If I had to choose, I would rather have JJ Abrams than Michael Bay. And I would never expect them to hire fans.

Where are Fred Wolf and Lionsgate in all this? If the film has Krang, the Technodrome and Rocksteady and Beebop isn't that considered making a derivative work of the OT? Wouldn't they have to pay royalties?

Freddy vs Jason was supposed to be a classic. It would have been nice if it were scary for even a second. It wasn't the same hockey mask that scared the crap out of me as a kid. I guess Paramount owns that property. Wes Craven could have at least directed it. But New Line wanted someone who wasn't familiar with the franchise. And the guy that played as Jason wasn't Kane Hodder. It was some guy from Canada. Canadian outsourcing has become more common in Hollywood. Nothing against Canada. It's just the typical US outsourcing to make a quick buck. These are Kane Hodder's remarks about FvJ from imdb.com.
Kane Hodder : Quotes
[when asked his thoughts on Jason's look in "Freddy vs. Jason", in which he did not play Jason] I guess they wanted Jason to look like a skinny little bi*** this time.
[commenting on his exclusion from "Freddy vs. Jason"] I won't be unemployed. But I will resent the hell out of the fact that somebody else is wearing that mask.

The Stryker

08-24-2012, 11:13 AM

Allio

08-24-2012, 11:19 AM

Freddy and Jason will never be truly scary again.

implying they were scary in the first place. one is pretty much a popcorn movie the other is freddy.

as for freddy vs jason... i prefer the sequel, Freddy vs Jason vs Ash (it was a comic)

The Stryker

08-24-2012, 11:21 AM

implying they were scary in the first place. one is pretty much a popcorn movie the other is freddy.

as for freddy vs jason... i prefer the sequel, Freddy vs Jason vs Ash (it was a comic)

True that.

I like the comic too but it reads like some fanboy wankjob at times. (I'm not really a fan of Ash or the idea that he's some awesome badass character. I liked him as a lucky idiot in ED2)

I'm fine with a ninja turtles movie being a big comedic action movie. I mean....if you really want intellectually stimulating entertainment from Ninja Turtles then I would say you're barking up the wrong forest.

Jester

08-24-2012, 11:26 AM

Dude, this is an early draft. We don't know how much of this will actually be used.

However if it is used, then by all mean, torches and pitch forks.

The Stryker

08-24-2012, 11:28 AM

Torches and pitchforks to help light and protect the line you'll surely form in front of the local movie theater at midnight right?

zkarlette

08-24-2012, 11:31 AM

Maybe they wanted to see what would happen if the script got found and based on the comments of the people they would make proper changes...:lol: one can only dream...

the_minimizer

08-24-2012, 11:53 AM

Freddy and Jason will never be truly scary again. They're pretty much mascots on cereal boxes. The movie was supposed to be a silly little popcorn movie where nothing mattered because the draw is seeing Freddy and Jason slash the sh*t out of eachother.

Also you're taking points off because it wasn't directed by Wes Craven? Seriously? Guy made like 2 good movies and hasn't sniffed mediocrity since. Of course Kane Hodder is going to be bitter, he didn't get paid! Englund is just as tall if not taller than Hodder. It's way better looking for Jason to tower over Krueger. But whatever. I love that movie and got everything I wanted out of it.

Michael Bay. Is not. Directing. Get that through your head.

I know he's not directing. But he still has influence on the film.

No I'm not taking off points because Craven wasn't directing. It would have just been nice if someone familiar with the franchise directed it. And Craven Directed 29 films.

I saw those movie trailers when I was a little kid. I had plenty of reason to be scared. Jason's hockey mask terrified me for years even after I saw his face. Even after I saw Nightmare on Elm street as a kid, it wasn't Freddy I was afraid of. It was Jason. I still have nightmares about it occasionally. It has to do with not being able to see Jason's eyes.

sgtfbomb

08-24-2012, 12:02 PM

Just started reading it. On page 11, and so far, it is already clear that this is a screenplay written for people who don't care by people who don't care. However, this is all moot as if this screenplay is legit, it will probably change a dozen times by the time the film enters production (and probably several more times after that).

But, as a screenplay, it lacks perspective, personality, and decent staging, though it has its moments at times. The dialogue is really bad at times (on par with early draft writing) and seems to enunciate a-typical plot points, just in case you are too dumb to see it for yourself.

I hate how the script just stops, just as it's supposed to pick up the suspense, to have a melodramatic, romance moment with April, that would have probably fit better had it been used in the previous conversation had it not been cut short by stereotypical babes. Plus, April just showing up at the Warehouse is very awkward, and awfully convenient, even if the film were produced by Wicked Pictures. :lol:

Bob

08-24-2012, 12:11 PM

Freddy vs. Jason was nothing but fan-service. It wasn’t a horror film, nor was it trying to be. Anyone ever seen The Dream Warriors? The main plot point in FVJ came to be in A Nightmare on Elm Street part 3. I would say that's a pretty big nod to the fans. Freddy vs. Jason is pure fan-wank, and that’s why it’s great.

About the script. As others have pointed out, this script is from January 2012. Likely, it was written before the director came on board. This script will change (and probably already has) a hell of a lot of times before the cameras start rolling.

I'll never forget reading a leaked script from the first Transformers film that was from February 2006. As we all know, the actual film came out in July 2007. The script I read was quite different to the finished film. Yes, the main plot and characters were pretty much the same, but there were quite a few notable differences between the two.

Tinuvielsdreams

08-24-2012, 12:31 PM

Spitfire sent me the script yesterday complete with one of his classic rants. I am on page 20 something.

My first thought on Michael Bay was "Great... TMNT, now with more explosions"

I geniunely subscribe to the notion that if this script has any validity it will be reworked espcially now that it has been leaked

Ninjinister

08-24-2012, 12:39 PM

:lol: i just realized this thread has "gay" as a tag

I think someone is randomly tagging threads with that just to be a troll.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/tags.php?tag=gay

Out of all of these I think maaaayyybe two have any actual discussion on gayness.

sgtfbomb

08-24-2012, 12:51 PM

I geniunely subscribe to the notion that if this script has any validity it will be reworked espcially now that it has been leaked

I think it was going to be reworked anyway. Screenplays usually go through many changes before it gets to what you see in the final film. And for big budget tentpole flicks, they tend to go through many screenwriters and script doctors, most of which go uncredited. Dialogue will removed/smoothed out, possibly by an uncredited scriptwriter, hired specifically to spiff up the dialogue some more. And, things will most likely be made up on the spot and during storyboarding and "pre-viz."

It's ideal for most of the kinks to be ironed out before the film hits production, hopefully this is what Paramount is drying to do. I know the domestic failure of Universal's Battleship scared the studio into taking a second look at GI Joe 2. So hopefully, studios are starting to realize that you can't just rip-off Transformers and expect people to show up. Even I thought Battleship would make decent money and I didn't even want to see it.

Screenwriting in Hollywood is a bit of a joke nowadays, anyway. It's not that writers don't try, it's that independent writers (even some who write fan screenplays) try harder to make their scripts coherent and final, whereas, in Hollywood, on high profile projects, it'll probably change. They say never to blame the writer more than the director, and that is true. If this movie is a stinker, it's probably because the director doesn't know how to take a generic screenplay and make it into something better than just a "made on an assembly line" product.

FantasticNinja

08-24-2012, 01:02 PM

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B22ZbuTtrOA3aDdpWFhUNGRacWs/edit

There you go. Let me give you some highlights.

-The turtles are indeed aliens from Dimension X, part of a race of "Turtle Warriors" left on Earth and raised by their adopted father Splinter (who is also an alien) to one day fulfill a prophecy and defeat Krang
-April is an 18 year old intern at CBS, and everything in the script suggests that Megan Fox could have played this in her sleep
-Casey is the main character
-The Foot are a secret government army, not ninjas
-Shredder is now 'Colonel Schrader', a humanoid alien from Dimension X who can grow sharp blades all over his body
-The movie ends with the four turtles living at different corners of the globe, each guarding a magic orb that keeps Dimension X and Earth from merging together
-Theres tons of swearing, with the script twice using the term "eye****ing"

Roseangelo

08-24-2012, 01:05 PM

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=38868

CyberCubed

08-24-2012, 02:14 PM

I hope to god nothing from this script makes it into the final movie.

Xav

08-24-2012, 02:19 PM

Please don't say that. The script isn't fake.I think It very well may be real. It certainly matches up with what people who have claimed to read the script have said. I'm just wondering how you know for sure?
Should we spread the script around other forums and movie sites? Maybe if we do and they don't like that their script is out there a year before it comes out they would try to change it, or at least rewrite the bad parts.Someone already put a review up on CBR. Strangely it got marked as satire.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Shpuples/news/?a=66234

CyberCubed

08-24-2012, 02:32 PM

Is Shredder even played by a Japanese man in this? I know he's an alien but he still has a human actor.

Gyt Kaliba

08-24-2012, 03:22 PM

...So this is what an aneurism feels like. Huh. .__o

ComicBookBoy

08-24-2012, 03:38 PM

I hope the movie isn't really like that. It's Dragonball Evolution all over again.

oldmanwinters

08-24-2012, 03:47 PM

I think someone is randomly tagging threads with that just to be a troll.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/tags.php?tag=gay

Out of all of these I think maaaayyybe two have any actual discussion on gayness.

Yeah, I think that tag started as a forum joke and it's spiraled out of a control from there. I still don't find it funny, either.

I love having forum Tags, but I hate poor tagging and blatant tag abuse.

The Stryker

08-24-2012, 04:23 PM

Is Shredder even played by a Japanese man in this? I know he's an alien but he still has a human actor.

Its a script.

sgtfbomb

08-24-2012, 04:50 PM

Is Shredder even played by a Japanese man in this? I know he's an alien but he still has a human actor.

As far as I know, there's been no casting decisions made for this movie. If there were, they haven't been made public yet. In this incarnation, the Shredder isn't Japanese. You could say he was more along the lines of the Shredder from the 2003 animated series. Except that he's not a Utrom. Here, he's an alien disguised as a Colonel in the army. I do think they need to change/tweak this aspect. This whole facade is to get to Substation 16. However, it serves little purpose later on when his "superior," General Davies, a fairly pointless character in the scheme of things, shows up later. I almost feel like they could modernize Shredder without going the Col. Schrader route.

Yeah, it sucks when they do something terrible with something you like, but it isn't worth making a deal about. If you peel away the nostalgia of the original animated series, it really wasn't that great either, and Turtles 3 was a travesty. And Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation...The point is, this wouldn't even be the first terrible Ninja Turtles adaption, and yet, it isn't terrible, nor has it even been made yet. Nor is it anywhere near being made yet.

From what I understand, Paramount hasn't received a script they are satisfied with, and they want to drop the budget down a bit. And, if the film doesn't enter production anytime soon, I'd imagine Jonathan Liebesman might end up moving on to something else. (Though, I probably wouldn't mind that) Also, there was a major uproar about the Turtles being aliens. I'm sure the powers that be are contemplating whether or not to keep those elements in the script. Personally, I didn't mind the alien part in the script, but I hated the prophecy elements. They were a bit contrived, and abrupt. I never care for forced prophecies and destinies in films. In the real world, things happen because that's the way they happen. They are the result of circumstances and consequences of a long line of actions and decision made by you and, sometimes, even those around you. There is no prophetical aligning destinies and all that hogwash. So, that scene where the Turtles get their weapons for the first time is a bit nonsensical and overplayed in the screenplay...

...but, it's not without repair! There are even entertaining bits in the screenplay. It could use more personality and needs to be rounded out more. I also think that maybe they could make it a bit more serious, making Shredder, Krang, Bebop, and Rocksteady competent and terrifying. I also think they need to take April and Casey's relationship problems down a few notches. And, some of the jokes need to go. For example, there is a dumb joke at the end of the screenplay with a sexy turtle chick. :roll:

Bossa Nova

08-24-2012, 04:51 PM

I wasn't as involved in the community when the last TMNT film came about, but I'm just curious, was there this much whining and moaning when info was leaked about it as well? Or was it kept so tightly under wraps there was no opportunity to do so?

Tinuvielsdreams

08-24-2012, 04:52 PM

I think it was going to be reworked anyway. Screenplays usually go through many changes before it gets to what you see in the final film. And for big budget tentpole flicks, they tend to go through many screenwriters and script doctors, most of which go uncredited. Dialogue will removed/smoothed out, possibly by an uncredited scriptwriter, hired specifically to spiff up the dialogue some more. And, things will most likely be made up on the spot and during storyboarding and "pre-viz."

It's ideal for most of the kinks to be ironed out before the film hits production, hopefully this is what Paramount is drying to do. I know the domestic failure of Universal's Battleship scared the studio into taking a second look at GI Joe 2. So hopefully, studios are starting to realize that you can't just rip-off Transformers and expect people to show up. Even I thought Battleship would make decent money and I didn't even want to see it.

Screenwriting in Hollywood is a bit of a joke nowadays, anyway. It's not that writers don't try, it's that independent writers (even some who write fan screenplays) try harder to make their scripts coherent and final, whereas, in Hollywood, on high profile projects, it'll probably change. They say never to blame the writer more than the director, and that is true. If this movie is a stinker, it's probably because the director doesn't know how to take a generic screenplay and make it into something better than just a "made on an assembly line" product.

I agree hugely with the "assembly line" It is all formula first then sometimes if we are lucky they go in and add and subtract. I can just hope down the line this might catch the eye of someone who really cares to give it the extra oomf

I am grateful turtles are getting a chance, I think the only thing about the studio and Bay I can get behind is the budget potential but in a perfect world I'd have much different picks. We all know soley money itself doesn't equal great film

Digital Ghost

08-24-2012, 05:23 PM

Good lord, this sounds like it'd be as good as Street Fighter. :lol:
In fact, I'd rather watch The Next Mutation. :trazz:

the_minimizer

08-24-2012, 06:25 PM

I changed my perspective and decided to treat this as an upcoming non-TMNT film. They're not teenagers and they're not mutants. TMNT does not equal NT.

Walkabout

08-24-2012, 07:05 PM

Dude, this is an early draft. We don't know how much of this will actually be used.

However if it is used, then by all mean, torches and pitch forks.

Torches and pitch forks indeed.

Xav

08-24-2012, 07:37 PM

Peter Laird has read the script.
Someone else alerted me to the existence of this script, and I just a few minutes ago finished reading it. If it is, in fact, the actual draft that was rejected and caused the production of the next TMNT movie to be pushed back to 2014 because the script was unsatisfactory, then I think all true TMNT fans should be grateful to the new "powers that be" that they did not allow this wretched thing to go any further. It could definitely be taken as a good sign if that is the case.

It reminds me of one of the reasons I am glad to not own the property anymore... because I don't have to tear what little hair I have left out while trying to fix junk like this. -- PL
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2012/08/blast-from-past-579-may-28-2002-re.html#comment-form

Jester

08-24-2012, 07:47 PM

Peter Laird has read the script.

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2012/08/blast-from-past-579-may-28-2002-re.html#comment-form
I sent him a message on facebook while I was reading it, but I'm sure others let him know too.

sgtfbomb

08-24-2012, 07:47 PM

I changed my perspective and decided to treat this as an upcoming non-TMNT film. They're not teenagers and they're not mutants. TMNT does not equal NT.

Actually, they are still teenagers. They are 17 years old. But, I wouldn't mind a film where the Turtles are older, more competent and wiser, perhaps having battled the Shredder, maybe even dealing with the deal of Splinter. Blasphemy? Perhaps, but it would be a bit different. Maybe it could be a vague sequel to the first film. Or not, either way, that won't be happening.

Basically, look at the screenplay as if the writers never knew about the comic books or the movies, only the original animated series. And look at it like the GI Joe and Transformer movies; how they translated those properties into film. Eh, currently, I'd say it is as flawed as those films were. I did like the first Transformers film, but I wouldn't say this screenplay (if official, and obviously changed by now anyway) is even on that film's level. I think it be better, but I think they might have to drop a few elements, and add a bit depth and atmosphere to make something that is definitive.

Logan

08-24-2012, 08:20 PM

If it's the real script (which I doubt), it's either a discarded one or one that is about to be discarded.

gzilla46

08-24-2012, 08:25 PM

What is Michael Bay thinking? He should just stick to Transformers. At least those were actually good films in my opinion. WHY? Because they actually stayed true to the Transformers for the most part. Because they stayed robots that turned into cars and fight each other.

This, on the other hand, is nothing like the original? Has Bay gone mad.

CyberCubed

08-24-2012, 09:52 PM

Hopefully the new scripts takes virtually nothing from this one. I just don't understand how a movie could be so different from the source material when the Nick cartoon and IDW comics play true to the series roots despite some changes.

Spitfire

08-24-2012, 10:26 PM

Peter Laird has read the script.

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2012/08/blast-from-past-579-may-28-2002-re.html#comment-form

The only response you really need.

Xav

08-25-2012, 12:17 AM

Then why the hell did Kevin Eastman say this was going to be the best TMNT movie ever made?

Is he insane?To be fair he probability saw a much newer version of the script.
Basically, look at the screenplay as if the writers never knew about the comic books or the movies, only the original animated series. And look at it like the GI Joe and Transformer movies; how they translated those properties into film. Eh, currently, I'd say it is as flawed as those films were. I did like the first Transformers film, but I wouldn't say this screenplay (if official, and obviously changed by now anyway) is even on that film's level. I think it be better, but I think they might have to drop a few elements, and add a bit depth and atmosphere to make something that is definitive.Even as an adaption of the Fred Wolf toon it does a terrible job, and they clearly did know more than the OT series. They knew that the turtles all wore masks of the same color at one point, Splinter called them "my sons", which he didn't do in the OT, the turtles see themselves as brothers, Raph is a hothead, Casey is a major character, and even GI Joe and Transformers still stayed true to the basics, the Joes and Cobra were still human they weren't aliens, and the Transformers were still robots from space, they weren't built by humans.

CyberCubed

08-25-2012, 08:28 AM

Can someone explain to me what they had to gain from turning an iconic and popular villain like Shredder into something that's barely recognizable? Seriously, it just doesn't make sense.

How could they not think something like this would cause backlash from fans, and confusion from little kids who will be watching the Nick show? There would be no reason kids can't also enjoy this.

PAAATE

08-25-2012, 08:56 AM

sgtfbomb

08-25-2012, 09:51 AM

Eh, this Shredder is my favorite. Way better than all the old ones combined :)

But "Col. Schrader" doesn't do much of anything and he goes down like a wimp at the end. He has very little presence as a villain/henchmen. And, his character is almost inconsequential.

Bob

08-25-2012, 10:04 AM

Schrader really does either have to go, or go under significent changes.

PAAATE

08-25-2012, 10:44 AM

But "Col. Schrader" doesn't do much of anything and he goes down like a wimp at the end. He has very little presence as a villain/henchmen. And, his character is almost inconsequential.

I was just messing with CyberCubed because his overreactions are hilarious to me. I agree with you :p

Bob

08-25-2012, 11:03 AM

I bet you anything Schrader is one of the things they're working on. It can't be left the way it is. It is the single worst thing about the script. All this time, people have been worrying about the wrong thing. We were concerned about the Turtles and the alien aspect. TBH, the alien aspect is actually handled better on paper than when it was first presented by Michael Bay all those months ago. It’s the bloody Foot and Shredder that needs work done, as well as the fact that Casey and April have mysteriously swapped places. And, if they must keep it in, which they probably will, the clichéd “Chosen Ones” angle needs work done to it, too.

CyberCubed

08-25-2012, 11:08 AM

The Turtles being from a race of alien turtles is still pretty bad. It came out of nowhere and had nothing to do with the franchises history.

Jephael

08-25-2012, 11:10 AM

Honestly, I don't even care anymore at this point! I much prefer comics and TV shows about the TMNT over movies anyway.

The Stryker

08-25-2012, 11:47 AM

Ok. I'm all for opinions and whatever on this possibly real possibly fake script.

But let's not front and act like we're not going to see the movie. Let's be real here.

Xav

08-25-2012, 11:53 AM

I wouldn't pay to see the movie if it didn't live up to my standards.

The Stryker

08-25-2012, 11:56 AM

I wouldn't pay to see the movie if it didn't live up to my standards.

I sincerely doubt that. Sorry. Even if the feedback is negative I feel most if not all of the hardcores would see it out of habit or just so they have something to talk about.

Unless you meant that won't pay to see it.

Jephael

08-25-2012, 11:59 AM

Yea, just wait for it to air on cable.

Bob

08-25-2012, 12:00 PM

I’m not going to lie, I will see the movie. Just like I saw the Transformers movies. I’m not just a TMNT fan, but I’m a movie fan in general. Going to the cinema is still an easily affordable night out, and it’s a night out that I love.

The Stryker

08-25-2012, 12:01 PM

Yea, just wait for it to air on cable.

I was referring to pirating it. I REALLY don't think youse would wait that long.

Xav

08-25-2012, 12:07 PM

I sincerely doubt that. Sorry. Even if the feedback is negative I feel most if not all of the hardcores would see it out of habit or just so they have something to talk about.

Unless you meant that won't pay to see it.Just because I'm a fan of something doesn't mean I have to pay for every piece crap with it's name on it. If I think it will suck I won't see it in theaters unless someone drags me to it. The CGI film, didn't look that good so I waited for it on cable. The fact is that is how I saw all the TMNT films.

Donatello19

08-25-2012, 12:26 PM

Will this new movie have anything to do with the Nick Cartoon?

Bob

08-25-2012, 12:47 PM

Will this new movie have anything to do with the Nick Cartoon?

No. Each is its own thing. I don't know why you would want them to be connected, anyway.

Just like the first Transformers film, a lot of diehard fans who were adamant about boycotting it caved in and saw it anyway. I think it will be the same here. What will they lose, anyway? Some sense of misplaced pride or principle? A bit silly for something so trivial. Money from going the cinema? Maybe, if that were truly a big deal. But seeing as they can afford to log onto the Internet with their computer or laptop or whatever contraption and declare their intentions not to watch it, I'm pretty sure they can afford to go to the cinema, too. Doesn’t matter, either way, TBH. No one's missing out. If the fan doesn't care about not watching it, I doubt very much the studio would care, either.

CyberCubed

08-25-2012, 01:41 PM

PAAATE

08-25-2012, 02:10 PM

The problem is if the movie is poorly received an does poor sales, it'll damage interest in the TMNT brand for the next few years at least. Nobody will want to make a sequel and casuals will be turned off.

The IDW comics have been solid and the Nick cartoon looks surprisingly fun, so to see two good things come out of the Viacom buyout but one horrible thing isn't too bad.

Other than the fact that more people see movies than read comics or watch cartoons.

Personally I think it would be worse business if the TV show failed in the ratings, than if the movie tanked. The TV show is where you can brainwash kids into buying the toys and keeping the interest up on a weekly basis. Oh, and it's not like they'll keep developing the multi-million dollar movie if the show bombs. That's what will make or break the third TMNT wave, I think.

I highly doubt that the show would fail, but it is the mine field to get through.

CyberCubed

08-25-2012, 02:22 PM

PAAATE

08-25-2012, 02:38 PM

The show is airing on Nickelodeon which is the most watched kids channel in the U.S. Giving it star treatment it's almost guaranteed to be successful.

The 4kids series lasted 7 years airing on an obscure Saturday morning block that nobody watched and with poor toy sales. If that series lasted 7 years I am sure a heavily promoted show by Nick will be much bigger.

The movie failing makes an impact with the adult crowd.

Like I said - I don't think it'll fail.

While I'm sure they wouldn't mind drawing lots and lots of adults to the movies (something I think the leaked script proves), the adults aren't necessary for the franchise; the kids are.

Let's take a look at that other Nick franchise that made a movie - The Last Airbender. That movie didn't turn a profit until four months after its release, and that's really not desirable for a movie that cost 150 million dollars to make. And the profit isn't big or anything. While it's technically not a failure... Yeah, they see it as a failure.

Still, they made a sequel to the popular show, and that sequel's going strong and everyone's happy, despite the movie more or less failing.

If the TMNT movie fails it will turn off casuals, yes, but it won't damage the brand. It won't help it either, obviously, but it won't damage it. Worst case scenario when it comes to interest in the brand is a status quo, and that's not too bad.

ZariusTwo

08-25-2012, 02:50 PM

Reading the script and...yeah, there's teething problems, trying to play up to too many audiences though, but there's some good ideas in there, like The Foot being a military unit, and Raph being the wise-cracker he was in the FW 'toon rather than the boring angsty cynic he is in the comics and 4Kids show is always a welcome treat.

Bebop and Rocksteady have a great dynamic too.

It reads a little too much like fanfiction, like everything that an adolescent fanboy dreams about doing with this show but common sense really ought to prevent them from doing (coughTurtleTurncoatcough)

...Oh, and "Eyef*cks" is my new fave word.:)

Xav

08-25-2012, 03:04 PM

Bob

08-25-2012, 03:21 PM

I thought one of the things they got right was the personalities of each of the Turtles.

the_minimizer

08-25-2012, 03:56 PM

Actually, they are still teenagers. They are 17 years old. But, I wouldn't mind a film where the Turtles are older, more competent and wiser, perhaps having battled the Shredder, maybe even dealing with the deal of Splinter. Blasphemy? Perhaps, but it would be a bit different. Maybe it could be a vague sequel to the first film. Or not, either way, that won't be happening.

Basically, look at the screenplay as if the writers never knew about the comic books or the movies, only the original animated series. And look at it like the GI Joe and Transformer movies; how they translated those properties into film. Eh, currently, I'd say it is as flawed as those films were. I did like the first Transformers film, but I wouldn't say this screenplay (if official, and obviously changed by now anyway) is even on that film's level. I think it be better, but I think they might have to drop a few elements, and add a bit depth and atmosphere to make something that is definitive.

They're ANT instead of TMNT where NT has taken on a life of it's own. They removed one attribute and created a spinoff with the Next Mutation (MNT). The script is describing another spinoff, Alien Ninja Turtles (ANT).

Jester

08-25-2012, 04:05 PM

It reads a little too much like fanfiction, like everything that an adolescent fanboy dreams about doing with this show but common sense really ought to prevent them from doing (coughTurtleTurncoatcough)
Oh, come on. Turtle Turncoat is far and away better than this crap...

Slade

08-25-2012, 04:22 PM

I thought one of the things they got right was the personalities of each of the Turtles.

All but Mikey, I didn't really get any kind of personality from Mikey at all. Unless I just didn't see it.

Xav

08-25-2012, 04:58 PM

Dude, this is an early draft. We don't know how much of this will actually be used.

However if it is used, then by all mean, torches and pitch forks.Trust me the final draft isn't any better.
http://www.funnyordie.com/pictures/6c64de5277/the-first-few-pages-of-michael-bay-s-script-to-ninja-turtles

Jester

08-25-2012, 05:13 PM

Trust me the final draft isn't any better.
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1253685/3af4b357992186612b13bec86e5f6b18_original.jpg
Either you're gullible or have no sense of humor....

Xav

08-25-2012, 05:14 PM

Apparently your both.

oldmanwinters

08-25-2012, 07:57 PM

Peter Laird has read the script.

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2012/08/blast-from-past-579-may-28-2002-re.html#comment-form

Ha! I just read that and was gonna post it but then I figured somebody else probably beat me to the punch!

It reads a little too much like fanfiction, like everything that an adolescent fanboy dreams about doing with this show but common sense really ought to prevent them from doing (coughTurtleTurncoatcough)

Aw, com'on Zarius! Even you recently admitted that the comic has gotten a lot better since it began in 2001! And remember, way back then we fans had very few incarnations of the TMNT for our imaginations to play with. :-)

Koi

08-25-2012, 08:22 PM

It doesn't sound that bad at all, so far from what I read it is pretty good.

Edit:
Never mind.

Sophie Campbell

08-25-2012, 10:59 PM

pretty much total garbage.

Jester

08-25-2012, 11:04 PM

pretty much total garbage.
And here is another opinion I can respect. If anyone knows good Turtles, it's Ross.

CyberCubed

08-25-2012, 11:37 PM

pretty much total garbage.

Makes you wish the Nick and IDW writers would slap the movie scriptwriters upside the head.

Sophie Campbell

08-25-2012, 11:51 PM

And here is another opinion I can respect. If anyone knows good Turtles, it's Ross.

aw, thanks!! that means a lot. :D

i'll admit, though, i gotta come clean, but when i first skimmed the script i was like "well, the new origin is stupid and generic but some of the action seems cool and the characterization is passable, but it's not TERRIBLE in and of itself if you can just let go of your TMNT expectations..." but then out of some morbid masochistic fascination i kept going back to the script file and reading more and more throughout the day in more detail. each time i'd find something stupider and more awful until i reached my "total garbage" conclusion, haha. the characterization is crap (Raph's Kung Fu Panda line, ugh), Casey giving the Turtles' their colored masks is stupid, the masks don't make much sense as it is so any attempt to explain them makes them make LESS sense, the whole Splinter lying to them for no reason about their backstory, the magical orbs, Colonel Schrader, the snowmobile scene (?!), the Turtles deflecting bullets off their shells including a part where they use an unconscious Michelangelo as a shield, the Turtle Warrior, the Turtles' turtle parents being killed by Krang, the baby turtle trainees at the end... it's so stupid. it's crap as a regular movie, it brings nothing new to the table, and it's even more crap as a TMNT movie.

and this is coming from a guy who doesn't like drawing conclusions until the finished product because execution and tone are everything, even the stupidest ideas can be done well and surprise you. and everything pretty much sounds dumb at first, especially for properties like TMNT where we all have our own visions for the characters and concepts we hold onto. so maybe the movie will be amazing, maybe when it comes out we'll all be going "wow, the Turtles should have been aliens all along! Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles without mutants, ninjas or turtles is great!" but at the end of the day the script still blows and a crappy, bland, paint-by-numbers script is no way to start a big movie production.

all that said, though, i can't really muster much energy to care, the movie was barely even on my radar before this script leak. they could never make more TMNT stuff at all and i'd be content with the wealth of great stuff we already have. plus the new Nickelodeon show looks stellar so far and the IDW book is going great, who cares about the movie? and yeah i realize the irony of me saying that while posting in the TMNT movie thread. ;)

CyberCubed

08-26-2012, 12:07 AM

Sophie Campbell

08-26-2012, 12:29 AM

Again, the problem is EVERYONE sees a movie. So many casual fans who never pick up a comic or see the cartoon will see the movie.

It'll be like, "Batman and Robin" for the TMNT franchise, a complete bastardization of the franchise.

yeah but who cares? who cares what they think? the good TMNT stuff will still be good, why does it matter if John Q. Public or whatever sees the new TMNT movie? it won't affect the new show, the new comic, and definitely not the good older material. i don't see why it matters. Batman & Robin didn't make the good Batman stuff stupider, Batman's doing just fine.

Jester

08-26-2012, 12:34 AM

Ross Campbell: Voice of Reason.

Powder

08-26-2012, 01:06 AM

I actually thought the part where Leo used Mikey's shell as a shield to be hilarious. Laughed out loud at it.

Jester

08-26-2012, 01:45 AM

I actually thought the part where Leo used Mikey's shell as a shield to be hilarious. Laughed out loud at it.
Funny because of how ridiculous?

Leo656

08-26-2012, 02:06 AM

After going back and slowly reading the entire script, I can't say *all* the ideas are terrible but none are presented well, the dialog is atrocious on all levels, and it's way too close to the "Transformers" stencil. "Paint-By-Numbers" indeed (although doing a literal rehash of Mirage #1 or the first movie would be just as bad from the opposite direction). The ending beats you over the head far too hard with the sequel, and the entire second half rests on a plot twist at least half of TMNT fans would hate and reject on its face, and the sequel pomises to be even more of that (plus "Venus"). The tone was all over the place, with characters from the OT mixed with adult situations and dialog/language. It just seems like a flawed design that could not have been pleasing or fully satisfying to ANYone. Let's hope it gets a lot of work.

If anything, it reads like a sort-of decent "Elseworlds", the old DC "What If?" line. The reason for "Elseworlds" was essentially that none of it would ever be acceptable as canon regardless of how interesting or well-done the ideas were, and that's how this script reads. An interesting issue or three of "Tales" by a fill-in guy, but never as canon and not as the basis for a new series of films.

ZariusTwo

08-26-2012, 02:19 AM

Aw, com'on Zarius! Even you recently admitted that the comic has gotten a lot better since it began in 2001! And remember, way back then we fans had very few incarnations of the TMNT for our imaginations to play with. :-)

I said the pictures were pretty. I still think the story is a little off-the-cuff and is your typical "angsty reinvention" of a cutesy kid's cartoon. I gave up on it the instant Shredder mutilated Krang.

Jester

08-26-2012, 02:28 AM

Yeah, I almost felt the whole script was just a "Find/Replace" for a rejected Transformers script:
Int. Elevator - Night
OPTIMUS PRIME, USING BUMBLEBEE'S BODY TO DEFLECT INCOMING BULLETS!!!
As the bullets PING off his body, Bumblebee GROANS awake. He realizes he's being used as a shield:
BUMBLEBEE
(to Prime)
Seriously?
But Bumblebee isn't the only one surprised by this--
SAM
(re: Bumblebee's Body)
You're bullet-proof?
BUMBLEBEE
Bullet resistant is more like it.
It still hurts like a bi--

See...

Allio

08-26-2012, 07:49 AM

Yeah, I almost felt the whole script was just a "Find/Replace" for a rejected Transformers script:

See...

yeah... maybe if you look really hard... squint your eyes... close your eye... turn your head... close your other eye... then maybe I can see something

Drose18

08-26-2012, 08:03 AM

Wait so the script we read is the one that is being re done and is why the movie was pushed back. Right?

Bob

08-26-2012, 09:32 AM

Wait so the script we read is the one that is being re done and is why the movie was pushed back. Right?

We don’t really know why it was pushed back, but I have a sneaky suspicion it was more to do with the budget than anything else. Paramount, the studio, has been pushing back so many films lately. Anyway, I suspect it was to get the budget down and to rework the script to accommodate that. After all, if you want to get the budget down, you’ll need to make changes to the script. The first draft reads like it would make a very expensive film. Apparently the budget was at a whopping 150 million dollars, and according to the article that broke the news, Paramount wants to take between ten and twenty million off of that. Either way, we're looking at a very high budget film.

the_minimizer

08-26-2012, 09:54 AM

My advice to any serious TMNT fan is not to take the movie seriously. It's not TMNT anyway because the turtles aren't mutants. Second of all, if enough fans don't take it seriously, it will never be recognized as being part of the TMNT universe. Plus since it has the Technodrome in it, people are going to find these forums and possibly learn more about the franchise.

The Stryker

08-26-2012, 10:00 AM

Its not a movie yet. Jesus H Christ.

Why are we acting like this script is EXACTLY what the movie is going to be?

And yo, guess what? If it has a TMNT label on it and has 4 turtles named Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael and Michelangelo it's part of the pantheon whether you like it or not. Sorry.

Funny because of how ridiculous?

Right! Because in a movie featuring 4 humanoid turtles in bandanas fighting criminals using ninjistu they learned from a rat, I demand realism!

Donnie

08-26-2012, 10:30 AM

I actually thought the part where Leo used Mikey's shell as a shield to be hilarious. Laughed out loud at it.

Funny because of how ridiculous?

That shell nonsense, especially the aforementioned scene, honestly reminds me of a badly written segment of the Next Mutation.

Right! Because in a movie featuring 4 humanoid turtles in bandanas fighting criminals using ninjistu they learned from a rat, I demand realism!

HA! That argument is a such an overly used cop-out, a badly attempted response driven at nothing but the need to piss people off. Get off it, man. It's called respect for the source material and the fans who propelled it into stardom to begin with. You do not take something so special to others and enervate it to the point of bastardization.

Only goons would be cool with that. Oh, wait...

sgtfbomb

08-26-2012, 10:53 AM

There is a difference between realism and believability. Usually, as long something seems to follow the law of thermodynamics and looks convincing enough, it can be perceived as believable in terms of film logic. Realism, on the other hand, doesn't exist in film. Sorry, most things are typically over-dramaticized, including movies based on true stories or even mundane stories involving mundane people, liberties are always taken. For example, I always laugh when someone runs into a fire and is able to make it out alive, even though they never dropped down to the floor and managed to somehow see through all the smoke. On the Backdraft DVD, I seem to recall them talking about realism, and yet, at the end of the movie, the characters are standing on the roof of a burning building, that is supposed to be taken on defensively, meaning that you fight it from the outside.

We don’t really know why it was pushed back, but I have a sneaky suspicion it was more to do with the budget than anything else. Paramount, the studio, has been pushing back so many films lately. Anyway, I suspect it was to get the budget down and to rework the script to accommodate that. After all, if you want to get the budget down, you’ll need to make changes to the script. The first draft reads like it would make a very expensive film. Apparently the budget was at a whopping 150 million dollars, and according to the article that broke the news, Paramount wants to take between ten and twenty million off of that. Either way, we're looking at a very high budget film.

I about brought this up in the other thread, but what elements do you guys think might go in order to drop the budget. CGI is a big thing, it's expensive. So, obviously, a lot of it will have to do with that. Clearly, their going to want the action scenes. I'm not sure that they are going to give up on the Dimension X thing, but that would be an easy way to drop the budget down. Another way is to drop Bebop and Rocksteady. At least, in this script, they don't do much. Or perhaps, they could drop Shredder/Schrader as an alien. I'm not convinced that these are the changes that will be made, I'm just brainstorming.

Cryomancer

08-26-2012, 11:04 AM

Yeah, I almost felt the whole script was just a "Find/Replace" for a rejected Transformers script:

See...

I was thinking along those lines as well, and it occurred to me that with fairly minimal rewriting this could totally become a Battletoads movie. The tone would probably be more correct.

sgtfbomb

08-26-2012, 11:09 AM

I was thinking along those lines as well, and it occurred to me that with fairly minimal rewriting this could totally become a Battletoads movie. The tone would probably be more correct.

I thought the same thing! :tlol:

Bob

08-26-2012, 11:25 AM

I brought this up in the other thread, but what elements do you guys think might go in order to drop the budget. CGI is a big thing, it's expensive. So, obviously, a lot of it will have to do with that. Clearly, their going to want the action scenes. I'm not sure that they are going to give up on the Dimension X thing, but that would be an easy way to drop the budget down. Another way is to drop Bebop and Rocksteady. At least, in this script, they don't do much. Or perhaps, they could drop Shredder/Schrader as an alien. I'm not convinced that these are the changes that will be made, I'm just brainstorming.

I don’t think we’ll be losing Dimension X or Bebop and Rocksteady anytime soon, as the inclusion of these things (as well as Krang) seem pretty integral to the overall plot, particularly Dimension X and Krang. Also, like Bebop and Rocksteady, they seem like the necessary “gimmicks” to achieve blockbuster status, which is certainly what Paramount wants more than anything. I don't think the story itself will change, so the alien aspect will almost certainly be kept. I think people have to get used to that.

The kinds of things I can see changing is Shredder. I actually think the whole General Schrader thing might either be omitted completely or seriously altered. I also think, story-wise, the focus will be flipped from Casey to April. I also think they might get rid of the whole “Turtles leaving New York to train with the Warrior Turtles in Dimension X” aspect.

On the other hand, although it is, admittedly, doubtful to happen, I really wouldn’t be surprised if they toss away the alien revelation completely and leave it as something that they will confirm in a later sequel. Although I do admit that that probably won’t happen.

Other than those, I really don't know. The word is that Paramount wanted to shave about ten to twenty million off the budget, which for something like this, isn't really that much. What changes can you see, being as realistic as possible?

The Stryker

08-26-2012, 01:37 PM

HA! That argument is a such an overly used cop-out, a badly attempted response driven at nothing but the need to piss people off. Get off it, man. It's called respect for the source material and the fans who propelled it into stardom to begin with. You do not take something so special to others and enervate it to the point of bastardization.

Only goons would be cool with that. Oh, wait...

Who are you again? Hi, I'm Stryker. Best in the world. How you doing.

Maybe it's just me but I've never looked for believability in Ninja Turtles because the core premise is completely silly. You can try and act like it isn't silly now but it is. Once I have bought the concept of 4 humanoid ninja turtles I can go along with a bunch of other things, deflecting bullets with shells? Why the hell not. They're fighting an alien pig next. It's when it tries to be serious that it falls apart for me. Serious melodrama involving Casey and Shadow's mother one minute and vampires the next.

Again, I'm not going to get mad and hyperbolic over a first draft script that may or may not be real. Until any of this is confirmed we might as well attack fanfiction writers for having Splinter and Michelangelo do the deed with eachother.

CyberCubed

08-26-2012, 01:41 PM

Shredder better be a human. And the Foot are ninja's, not Call of Duty rejects.

The Stryker

08-26-2012, 01:45 PM

I'd be fine with them being random thugs. Where do you find thousands of expendable ninjas anyway?

Or robots. Robots would be cool.

sgtfbomb

08-26-2012, 01:51 PM

Maybe it's just me but I've never looked for believability in Ninja Turtles because the core premise is completely silly.

Yes, the concept is silly, but that doesn't mean the Turtles should be able to stop bullets or be able to do anything and everything.

The Stryker

08-26-2012, 01:57 PM

Of course not. I'm not saying they should be flying and have ice powers but I'm just saying that deflecting bullets with the shell isn't THAT nuts in context. I mean, they ARE from another dimension.

sgtfbomb

08-26-2012, 02:01 PM

Of course not. I'm not saying they should be flying and have ice powers but I'm just saying that deflecting bullets with the shell isn't THAT nuts in context. I mean, they ARE from another dimension.

I honestly didn't have much of a problem with that scene. Though, they did way too much with their shells.

Cure

08-26-2012, 02:01 PM

I dunno, flying turtles with ice powers sounds pretty cool.

Candy Kappa

08-26-2012, 02:06 PM

if some turtles carapace can withstand an crocodile/alligator attack, a humanoid turtle being able to deflect bullets with their carapace, at least for a few rounds isn't that far out.

one of the turtle using another turtle as a shied thought... caring brother indeed. :P

sgtfbomb

08-26-2012, 02:19 PM

one of the turtle using another turtle as a shied thought... caring brother indeed. :P

Would if they missed? :tlol:

Xav

08-26-2012, 06:47 PM

I'd be fine with them being random thugs. Where do you find thousands of expendable ninjas anyway?I dunno where do you find an army of mutant turtle warriors? I thought you didn't care about realism?

The Stryker

08-26-2012, 06:48 PM

I dunno where do you find an army of mutant turtle warriors?

Dimension X, durrrrrr.

Slade

08-26-2012, 07:08 PM

I'd be fine with them being random thugs. Where do you find thousands of expendable ninjas anyway?

Or robots. Robots would be cool.

The Flyweight division in MMA.

Really though a good mix of random thugs, ninjas and robots wouldn't be to bad actually.

Broc Longstaff

08-26-2012, 07:13 PM

I dunno, flying turtles with ice powers sounds pretty cool.

Haha I agree

Xav

08-26-2012, 07:35 PM

Dimension X, durrrrrr.And that's somehow more realistic than ninjas?

n-zero

08-26-2012, 07:49 PM

yeah but who cares? who cares what they think? the good TMNT stuff will still be good, why does it matter if John Q. Public or whatever sees the new TMNT movie? it won't affect the new show, the new comic, and definitely not the good older material. i don't see why it matters. Batman & Robin didn't make the good Batman stuff stupider, Batman's doing just fine.

The dangerous thing is if its intensely profitable garbage. If that's the case, then we could see corporate mandate forcing changes from the movie onto the IDW series and the Nickelodeon cartoon. Bumblebee being mute has become cannon across all current Transformers cartoons and video games, for example.

Zany Orange Dude

08-26-2012, 08:04 PM

That script is horrendous! I hope they do a major revamp on that thing!

The Stryker

08-26-2012, 08:05 PM

And that's somehow more realistic than ninjas?

In the context of that script? Yeah a little.

I'd prefer robots though. Also I don't think you understood what I was talking about before. Not saying anything about realism. Just that an army of fully trained ninjas in this day and age is silly too.

The Flyweight division in MMA.

Demetrious Johnson ain't scaring nobody son!

ToTheNines

08-26-2012, 08:14 PM

Just that an army of fully trained ninjas in this day and age is silly too.

True, but Black Ops government ish is so played out. I think it'd be cool if they were more of a Yakuza type gang.

Robots are neato too though.

The Stryker

08-26-2012, 08:17 PM

The Yakuza angle would be a good way to modernize the Yoshi portion of the origin actually.

Slade

08-26-2012, 08:58 PM

Demetrious Johnson ain't scaring nobody son!

How about 10 of him in ninja outfits?

The Yakuza stuff I could get behind.

Spitfire

08-26-2012, 11:35 PM

yeah but who cares? who cares what they think? the good TMNT stuff will still be good, why does it matter if John Q. Public or whatever sees the new TMNT movie? it won't affect the new show, the new comic, and definitely not the good older material. i don't see why it matters. Batman & Robin didn't make the good Batman stuff stupider, Batman's doing just fine.

Yeah but Batman and Robin was so hated that it took the studio almost 10 years and several reboot attempts to salvage the franchise. They pretty much had to wait for the public to forget how awful the last movie was. Not saying that will happen here but I care if this new film is like this and makes money. It sends the message they can put no thought or effort into something and make a profit.

CyberCubed

08-27-2012, 12:06 AM

Yeah but Batman and Robin was so hated that it took the studio almost 10 years and several reboot attempts to salvage the franchise. They pretty much had to wait for the public to forget how awful the last movie was. Not saying that will happen here but I care if this new film is like this and makes money. It sends the message they can put no thought or effort into something and make a profit.

You do realize they actually planned to make a Batman 5 with Scarecrow after Batman and Robin? And no, I don't mean Nolan's Scarecrow.

Spitfire

08-27-2012, 01:20 AM

They planned a lot of things and none of them happened because the time wasn't right. They only started writing that because they liked the dailies of Batman and Robin. When the film got panned they trashed the idea. Then they planned a Batman Beyond film, TKR, a movie called DarKnight about Manbat and Scarecrow, Joel tried proposing a Year One film and so did several others, let's not forget Batman Vs Superman, and even Darren Aronofsky mused up an awful take on Batman that involved him living in a junkyard.

It effectively killed the franchise. And the fact the studio execs thought it looked awesome further proves how out of touch they are.

ZariusTwo

08-27-2012, 03:16 AM

It effectively killed the franchise.

Uh-huh, that's why there were no Batman comics or DCAU shows for years after...ooooohhhh:roll:

Jester

08-27-2012, 03:28 AM

I'm sure he's talking about the movie franchise.

Zany Orange Dude

08-27-2012, 07:01 AM

Good thing I read the enitre thing yesterday, because the script has been taken down.

CyberCubed

08-27-2012, 08:33 AM

Good thing I read the enitre thing yesterday, because the script has been taken down.

They took it down? Thank god now that the "word has been spread" they'll probably trash EVERYTHING in the script because it gives away everything thta happened in the movie.

We might have very well just had a victory here.

the_minimizer

08-27-2012, 09:06 AM

I agree with Stryker. 2014 is still a long way away. We have no idea of the things to come in the long term.

The Stryker

08-27-2012, 09:33 AM

Xav

08-27-2012, 09:49 AM

My god I guess this proves it's real, at least some people have a copy of it and can spread it around.

Bob

08-27-2012, 09:50 AM

They took it down? Thank god now that the "word has been spread" they'll probably trash EVERYTHING in the script because it gives away everything thta happened in the movie.

We might have very well just had a victory here.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it has nothing to do with victory. The studio just wants an early screenplay for one of their films in development taken down. Studios issue Cease and Desist orders all the time. It’s no different here. I wouldn't read anything into it. Paramount just wants it taken down, nothing more, nothing less. Of course, its 100% confirmation that it’s the real deal. It’s also near confirmation that this is the screenplay they’re going to use (albeit, probably a later version, God willing).

CyberCubed

08-27-2012, 11:32 AM

Bob

08-27-2012, 11:51 AM

The backlash has been terrible though. If most fans hate the script and what they did to the characters, why would any casual movie go-ers see it?

Based on that story I'd say this movie will get poor reviews on rottentomatoes. Someone at Viacom better slap the movie scriptwriters to knock some sense in them.

Even people who work on the Nick cartoon laughed at the idea of the turtles being aliens.

I'm sorry, but you're really not looking at this the proper way. You are only looking at it through the eyes of a fan. That's not going to work, and its certainly not going to give you any indicator whatsoever of how the film is going to be received. The world doesn’t work like that. Particularly the world of big-budget movie making. I think its fair to say that the vast majority of fans don't seem to like the script in its current form, but in all honesty, Paramount couldn't give two s##ts. Just like they couldn't give two s##ts when the script for the first Transformers film leaked and a lot (although not as much in this instance) of fans didn’t like it. These films, complete with their huge budgets, and despite what people like Kevin Eastman and Michael Bay say, are not made with the fans in mind. It’s the truth, I’m afraid. The studio only cares about the Average Joe, because there is more money to be made from the Average Joe, mainly because there's more of them than there are fans. Do you know what? As much as you may not like to hear it, the script reads like your typical junk-food-filled summer blockbuster. In short: it reads like something that has the potential to be a big hit. Fans only think it will flop because they don’t like the liberties it takes, but the bigger picture is being missed because of those goggles I mentioned earlier that you’ve still yet to take off for just one second. The Average Joe, in all honesty, doesn't care about the liberties, as they are no way near as invested in TMNT lore. They'll just see something that they'll recognise because of brand recognition that hasn't been seen in a long time. "Cool, Ninja Turtles. I remember them". That's it.

Luckily, it does look like work is being done on the script and the best you can hope for is for the finished article to be a bit more fan-friendly. Still, the fact that Paramount asked for this to get taken down means that it’s at least the story they’re working from.

I’m a TMNT fan, but sometimes you have to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Even if you may not like it.