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[BabyTurtles]

Well since you asked, no, because I don't watch the show for April, therefore I don't care. At all.

well sorry :( but I happen to want to like April seeing as she's 1 outta 2 of the only girls on the show!!

and yea...it's a boys show yadda yadda....but I would like to have at least one girl ally on the team that I can like. (maybe it's a girl thing....do you boys here care about April??)

I know this is a reboot....but I'm used to April caring about ALL the turtles...it's weird for me to see her like this.

it's like making Splinter only love Leo.......and not care about the other turtles.

and we don't watch the show for Splinter do we? but where would it be without him?

.....maybe I'm ranting too much. but come on.....if they are going to introduce a character especially one who's plot is tied to the KRAANG! they could at least make her interesting.

[demonsweat]

@Cure
Pretty much. The show isn't about April or Karai. I mean, I think it's implied that she hangs with the other turtles. They showed her in the lair hanging out and she lived there for a while... there's a lot of stuff that happens off camera that you're just supposed to assume. I bet they had to share a bathroom. Can you imagine the horrors of a teenage girl faced with the restroom habits of five eternal bachelors?? Could be funny scene... but do I want to see it in the show? Nope. That kind of stuff takes away from the action. There's bigger and better stuff happening that April's life, sorry to say. (And that's what fanfiction/fanart is for.) :D

And BabyTurtles... you're welcome to your opinion, but come on dood. I just gave you a whole list of reasons why April isn't just a love interest. Her character has always been the human element. She does the things the turtles can't, plain and simple. But I think she's gone above and beyond in this show with her sheer bravery. IDK, just my opinion I guess. I like her, I like Karai... I don't care if they add more ladies. I'd rather they develop both of these characters, but not at the expense of the stars of the show. What I really want to see is more turtles kicking ass. 8)

[BabyTurtles]

@Cure


And BabyTurtles... you're welcome to your opinion, but come on dood. I just gave you a whole list of reasons why April isn't just a love interest. Her character has always been the human element. She does the things the turtles can't, plain and simple. But I think she's gone above and beyond in this show with her sheer bravery. IDK, just my opinion I guess. I like her, I like Karai... I don't care if they add more ladies. I'd rather they develop both of these characters, but not at the expense of the stars of the show. What I really want to see is more turtles kicking ass. 8)

It's not like I don't want to like her guys...I want to like her so bad....I just can't find anything compelling about her (the show can go on without her and no one would notice at this point)

but hey! If I'm the only one here that has a major problem with April....then I'll stop ranting :D

[plastroncafe]

I dunno, I think it's kind of funny as hell that April hasn't said Raph's name at all in over a season's worth of episodes.

April not being interesting is kind of her deal.
She's like... the poster child for lost potential, and always has been.
And when people can't think of what to do with her, they make her supernatural or paranormal in some way.

The same thing happens with Mikey too. Can't have him be the "everyman" because that's not schticky enough. Have to make him over the top class clown.

I'd love to have seen an episode regarding what it's like for her to have been on lockdown with the turtles, but then...slice of life stuff is my favorite. I love these characters not because of how well animated they are, or because of the "action" they're capable of participating in, but because of their personalities.

Can you imagine a riff on the Mirage issue "True Stories" set in the Nick'verse? How awesome it would have been to just have April narrate one episode following her experiences with all four turtles and Splinter on a personal level? That would have ruled!

[Jester]

"Would have"? It can still happen. :D

[plastroncafe]

It could, especially with the introduction of Casey...which opens the door for an exodus from New York. But, considering how during the interview Ciro mentioned how expensive it is to "build" sets, I'm not holding my breath.

Much as I like this incarnation of April, she's still pretty much a sardonic McGuffin in combat boots. Until the introduction of Casey she had no life that we could see outside of her relationships with the turtles. She stayed with an Aunt we never saw or heard. Is her mutant father living with her now? Or is she by herself above the junk shop? We don't know, and likely never will.

[CyberCubed]

How do you guys honestly notice that April never said Raphael's name in 30 episodes or so? It's not something I would have ever realized if not seeing it just now.

[Jester]

It could, especially with the introduction of Casey...which opens the door for an exodus from New York. But, considering how during the interview Ciro mentioned how expensive it is to "build" sets, I'm not holding my breath.
Why is this a limitation to the "April tells stories about her and the guys" episode? Sure it might not be able to happen in Northampton, but it could happen in existing NYC sets.

Don't mean to be confrontational, but I'd hate to write off a potential story idea so easily.

[plastroncafe]

I suggest the location because if we were going to see such an episode, I think having it take place last season when she was actually living with them and getting to know them would have been the place to put it.

Having missed that doorway, I decided to look for open windows.

Of course...several pages into a thread where people have mentioned time and time again how the female characters on the show aren't important, how they don't care about April, and how anything that detracts from the action is wholly unwelcome, is it really any wonder how easy it is for me to dismiss a story notion that centers around the sole female protagonist?

Would I love to see this happen?
Yes. I would most certainly love to see this happen.
"True Stories" is hands down one of my favorite Mirage Issues. It's arguably one of the few times in original canon we see April as a three dimensional character. It's where we see Leo doubt himself. Where Donnie shows his first inklings of being deeply introspective. Where Mike is shown having HORRIBLE coping skills. And Raph? Is the rock. The guy who has been the emotional basketcase is now the most even keeled of the bunch.

And we learn this through the eyes of the token chick being a person, not a McGuffin.

Seriously, what's not to love about that issue?

[BabyTurtles]

I suggest the location because if we were going to see such an episode, I think having it take place last season when she was actually living with them and getting to know them would have been the place to put it.

Having missed that doorway, I decided to look for open windows.

Of course...several pages into a thread where people have mentioned time and time again how the female characters on the show aren't important, how they don't care about April, and how anything that detracts from the action is wholly unwelcome, is it really any wonder how easy it is for me to dismiss a story notion that centers around the sole female protagonist?

Would I love to see this happen?
Yes. I would most certainly love to see this happen.
"True Stories" is hands down one of my favorite Mirage Issues. It's arguably one of the few times in original canon we see April as a three dimensional character. It's where we see Leo doubt himself. Where Donnie shows his first inklings of being deeply introspective. Where Mike is shown having HORRIBLE coping skills. And Raph? Is the rock. The guy who has been the emotional basketcase is now the most even keeled of the bunch.

And we learn this through the eyes of the token chick being a person, not a McGuffin.

Seriously, what's not to love about that issue?

great now I want that to happen......T^T but if April can't even say Raph's name...what are the odds of having an entire episode from her point of view?

@ Cubed: how'd I know April didn't say Raph name yet? someone on tumblr pointed it out.....XD

[Jester]

In my mind, Plastron, I could see it being used as her way of "introducing" the Turtles to Casey before he sees them. Have her describe the "friends" she mentioned in Target: April O'Neil. Heck, it could be mentioned that she hasn't spent as much time with him as usual because she's trying to rebuild the relationship with them, only to have him ask, "What's so special about these 'friends' anyway?" leading to the stories about the guys.

I mean there are ways...but then again, this would be a massive watering down of the issue...which...I....um...need too...um...read...

*scurries away*

[plastroncafe]

For shame, Jester. For shame.

The kinds of stories told in the issue aren't really something I think she'd talk about to anyone, let alone Casey. It's not like the guy is overflowing with compassion. They're private thoughts committed to her journal.

She's strong in the issue not because of a training montage, out because she kicks butt, but because she loses quite literally everything... And keeps moving.

Seriously, find it. It's some of their best work.

[Jester]

Just finished...and yeah it'd have to take place in Northampton after loosing EVERYTHING to the Shredder. (In my minds eye I was seeing a more "Tales of Leo" style...which if ToL was an attempt at True Stories in the 4kids series, it's very much a fail.) Maybe it could be a season 3 opener...but then again, I'm not sure how they'd get to Northampton since I don't think the Human characters are of driving age....

[plastroncafe]

SPLINTER, TAKE THE WHEEL!
Though, the boys already do drive without a license. So there's that.

[Jester]

SPLINTER, TAKE THE WHEEL!
Though, the boys already do drive without a license. So there's that.
True, but I wanna say April and Case drove more for the sake of not drawing attention to the giant Turtles. :P

[BabyTurtles]

True, but I wanna say April and Case drove more for the sake of not drawing attention to the giant Turtles. :P

they are driving a subway car XD they are already drawing attention to themselves.

[Shark_Blade]

I happen to want to like April seeing as she's 1 outta 2 of the only girls on the show!!

http://i.imgur.com/zypBEeF.gif

[BubblyShell22]

Yep, you forgot about the cute little girl. I really hope we see her again because she's adorable and her part showed a soft side of Leo we've never seen from him.

[Luckyday]

Just finished...and yeah it'd have to take place in Northampton after loosing EVERYTHING to the Shredder. (In my minds eye I was seeing a more "Tales of Leo" style...which if ToL was an attempt at True Stories in the 4kids series, it's very much a fail.) Maybe it could be a season 3 opener...but then again, I'm not sure how they'd get to Northampton since I don't think the Human characters are of driving age....

I think a episode like that would feel stronger if they little to no music, zero dialogue with exception of April's journal narration, and high quality sound effects of the cold wilderness of Northampton to get sense of isolation between the characters. I could totally see it as an award winning episode but the only problem with it is that some kids might find the episode boring!

[plastroncafe]

Does the little girl have a name?
Then I hazard to say she doesn't really count as a female protagonist. Now if she shows up again and gets a name that's a horse of an entirely different color.

And I hope she does. That was awesome. Like Mrs Rosetti in Dooney's "Challenges" graphic novel.

Don't actually lose sleep on the name thing. I've no doubt that tumblr is hard at work making one for her.

[Foot Soldier Clang]

I'm hoping that sometime in the future April gets a solo episode where we can learn more about her abilities and maybe learn more about why she seems to be immune to mutagen. Or at least an episode where April is plot a, and the turtles are plot b.

[Luckyday]

^Don't hold your breath over this but the next episode call "the kraang connection" might have something to do with that.

[BubblyShell22]

Does the little girl have a name?
Then I hazard to say she doesn't really count as a female protagonist. Now if she shows up again and gets a name that's a horse of an entirely different color.

And I hope she does. That was awesome. Like Mrs Rosetti in Dooney's "Challenges" graphic novel.

Don't actually lose sleep on the name thing. I've no doubt that tumblr is hard at work making one for her.

No, but she's still one more female character even if she isn't a main one. I actually named her Abby and am writing a fan fiction about her that takes place when Leo returns to visit her just as he promised he would.

[Andrew NDB]

and maybe learn more about why she seems to be immune to mutagen.

But she's not immune to mutagen. That we've seen.

[BubblyShell22]

Exactly. She's immune to the Kraang water as far as we know.

[Avatar Yuffie]

http://i.imgur.com/zypBEeF.gif

Yes, because the nameless girl we don't know cures everything. /sarcasm

Apparently there's some talk in tumblr going on around there. It's interesting to note it's not Ciro who's the problem. It's everyone in the animation industry.

Like Paul Dini confirming Young Justice was cancelled because there was an increase of female viewers and they don't buy toys excuse.

http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/69985527393/paul-dini-tells-kevin-smith-about-hollywoods-fear-of

So if the Turtles aren't careful, the female fans will cancel that show too.

First comic books, then videogames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wnTunPrQJo), then cartoons aimed for children. Girls will never be included or noticed as an audience. Sad world.

[The Big Bad]

So if the Turtles aren't careful, the female fans will cancel that show too.

I realize that you understand that this is not literally the case, but still, could we please not have stuff like this here? Female fans did not get those other shows cancelled, and will not be the reason for TMNT's cancellation, in the exceedingly unlikely case it happens. Just because garbage TV executives don't understand the value of a female audience doesn't mean it's that audience's fault.

[BubblyShell22]

And you do realize that there are female fans of the show, don't you? I'm one of them, and I support this show wholeheartedly. And that was just an excuse that you pointed out anyway. There were probably other reasons the show got cancelled, but the person talking about it didn't want to discuss them. So I don't think it'll be any female's fault that the show gets cancelled at all.

[Konchadunga]

Yes, because the nameless girl we don't know cures everything. /sarcasm

Apparently there's some talk in tumblr going on around there. It's interesting to note it's not Ciro who's the problem. It's everyone in the animation industry.

Like Paul Dini confirming Young Justice was cancelled because there was an increase of female viewers and they don't buy toys excuse.

http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/69985527393/paul-dini-tells-kevin-smith-about-hollywoods-fear-of

So if the Turtles aren't careful, the female fans will cancel that show too.

None of that makes much sense. That Dini statement; or maybe just the attitude he described, presumes that as female viewership goes up, male viewership necessarily goes down. I see no evidence that this is true; therefore, even if female viewers are less likely to buy toys, that's irrelevant when the part of the demographic that does buy them doesn't actually shrink. Granted; it's not a stretch to assume Cartoon Network is full of morons when they crapped out Teen Titans Go, for any reason.

I am guessing real reason YJ failed to sell as many toys as they wanted is partially because the show was often unfocused. I liked it, but it did tend to trip over its own ambition it times; switching from character to character and arc to arc. There probably was not enough time to get people interested in individual characters.

First comic books, then videogames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wnTunPrQJo), then cartoons aimed for children. Girls will never be included or noticed as an audience. Sad world.

That's way too gloom and doom. First of all, there are female protagonists in video games and graphic novels. Maybe not many, and many of them are at least partially intended for the males, but they are there. Second, girls are definitely "noticed" as an audience, and have been for a long time. The question is just whether what producers are giving the girls is what they actually want to watch. We still have My Little Pony, Strawberry Shortcake, Sabrina the Teenaged Witch, and Tinkerbell in whatever current incarnation they're in now. If girls want to watch the "boys'" shows instead, that should be fine, but it does make it a bit harder for producers to plan.

[BabyTurtles]

That's way too gloom and doom. First of all, there are female protagonists in video games and graphic novels. Maybe not many, and many of them are at least partially intended for the males, but they are there. Second, girls are definitely "noticed" as an audience, and have been for a long time. The question is just whether what producers are giving the girls is what they actually want to watch. We still have My Little Pony, Strawberry Shortcake, Sabrina the Teenaged Witch, and Tinkerbell in whatever current incarnation they're in now. If girls want to watch the "boys'" shows instead, that should be fine, but it does make it a bit harder for producers to plan.

you know what....there shouldn't be a "boys show" or a "girls show" there should just be shows.

When I was a kid all I watched were the action cartoons I never watched My little Pony.....or Sabrina......(I watch MLP now though XD)

Kim Possible was awesome! and there were ALOT of dudes that watched that cause it was just a "show" for anyone.

I guess labeling shows makes it easier though....but I still feel it's a little outdated in this time and age where little girls are also crazy about TMNT and Avengers right now.

[Konchadunga]

We've moved forward. Not enough, but we're above where we were in the 1980s.

[BabyTurtles]

We've moved forward. Not enough, but we're above where we were in the 1980s.

Guess I'll have to wait another decade or so. :D

[Papenbrook]

Ciro said on his podcast that the show would become more serious/dark near the end of season 2. I think that would be awesome. I only hope they don't show too much violence, but I would love to see a little blood.:)

[Powder]

No chance of blood, ever. C'mon now. It's already gotten quite violent though. The way Slash was slamming everyones heads into concrete & stuff... it was pretty shocking, I thought.

[Ashwolf]

Ciro said on his podcast that the show would become more serious/dark near the end of season 2. I think that would be awesome. I only hope they don't show too much violence, but I would love to see a little blood.:)

that's gonna be awesome, so cant wait 4 it, and they show some at least some blood

[Vicky82]

Do they still show blood in childrens cartoons these days, I can't remember the last time I saw blood in a cartoon (the 90s I think).

[Luckyday]

Do they still show blood in childrens cartoons these days, I can't remember the last time I saw blood in a cartoon (the 90s I think).

The episode called "The Pit" on Adventure Time. We see Jake's blood being suck out his body by a demon.

[Powder]

Adventure Time isn't /totally/ a childrens cartoon, though... First of all, it's PG & has a 7pm EST time slot, secondly it's loaded with sexual innuendo.

[Candy Kappa]

No chance of blood, ever. C'mon now. It's already gotten quite violent though. The way Slash was slamming everyones heads into concrete & stuff... it was pretty shocking, I thought.

Not to mention how viciously detailed the takedowns became when the foot-bots was introduced, like throat stabbing.

[Ashwolf]

just saying that the show would be a lot more popular if it wasn't really children focused, think of how much better it could be action-wise which is about 85% of the show from my point of view

[Jester]

Um...it's a children's show with a children's demographic. It would totally NOT do better if it were less child focused.

[Powder]

just saying that the show would be a lot more popular if it wasn't really children focused, think of how much better it could be action-wise which is about 85% of the show from my point of view

Spoken like a guy who knows jack sh*t about the biz.

[Ashwolf]

Um...it's a children's show with a children's demographic. It would totally NOT do better if it were less child focused.

Spoken like a guy who knows jack sh*t about the biz.

1st off, I was just stating opinion so relax, 2nd im a girl, and 3rdly, again, it was my completely personal opinion

[BabyTurtles]

just saying that the show would be a lot more popular if it wasn't really children focused, think of how much better it could be action-wise which is about 85% of the show from my point of view

I don't think it'll do better.....there aren't alot of adults who want to see teenage mutant ninja turtles XD most stay away just because of the title

mostly kids are interested to find out about something that crazy XD

(not saying TMMT is JUST for kids though *_* there still alot of things teens and adults can enjoy)

[Powder]

1st off, I was just stating opinion so relax, 2nd im a girl, and 3rdly, again, it was my completely personal opinion

Saying something would be more popular if _______ is not the same as "I think it would be better if...". You presented it as fact.

[plastroncafe]

It could be argued that the best, most long lasting, cartoons are ones that appeal to the widest audience base.

Looney Toons
Ren and Stimpy
Adventure Time
Spongebob Squarepants
Foster's Home for Imaginary Creatures
Avatar: The Last Airbender
The Simpsons
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic


Nick knows this, and hopefully they'll do the opposite of everything Cartoon Network is doing.

Distill your audience base to one single demographic, and once you lose them you're sunk.

[Andrew NDB]

Then again, there's whole thing about "When you try to please everybody..."

[plastroncafe]

That's one extreme end of the spectrum, yes.

As for the topic of blood, off the top of my head I can think of two cartoons that showed blood.

Heavy Metal the movie
Watership Down.

I've got to admit,...it cracks me up that we can get away with far more violence in books aimed at children and young adults than we can in our visual mediums.

[BabyTurtles]

That's one extreme end of the spectrum, yes.

As for the topic of blood, off the top of my head I can think of two cartoons that showed blood.

Heavy Metal the movie
Watership Down.

I've got to admit,...it cracks me up that we can get away with far more violence in books aimed at children and young adults than we can in our visual mediums.

Young Justice had blood once :3
Adventure time had blood too XD (that demon blood sucker that sucked all of Jake's blood :3)

but...not all the time...

[snake]

Ciro said on his podcast that the show would become more serious/dark near the end of season 2. I think that would be awesome. I only hope they don't show too much violence, but I would love to see a little blood.:)

Unless its a Nick theatrical movie, blood won't happen.

[Metalwolf]

Young Justice had blood once :3
Adventure time had blood too XD (that demon blood sucker that sucked all of Jake's blood :3)

but...not all the time...I could think of two instances where I've seen/known about blood:

One was Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker where Link stabbed the sword into Ganondorf's head, and another was Princess Mononoke, but I don't know if that was exactly considered for kids lol

[Mewzard]

I could think of two instances where I've seen/known about blood:

One was Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker where Link stabbed the sword into Ganondorf's head, and another was Princess Mononoke, but I don't know if that was exactly considered for kids lol

Japan's standards for kids differs from America's standard for kids.Though it's an 80s example (and it can't really get this violent anymore on kids shows), take Fist of the North Star:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3WCNwuuX1w

The comic is about 10 times as violent without censorship/dealing with low detail animation. Still for kids.

But yeah, we've seen some mature kids shows in recent years that get away with stuff that I thought wouldn't fly in American kids shows in recent years.

Wouldn't mind seeing the trend continue, cartoons tend to be the best when they're willing to tread the line between children and adults for an audience, and don't play it too safe with one audience.

[Warhorse]

We have Shredder, Splinter and Karai, who are Japanese, Baxter who is African American, Xever/Fishface who I think is Brazilian...

If anyone's under-represented it's Europeans.

Let's have a German exchange student, who befriends April and gets embroiled in a love square with her, Casey and Donnie.

Or better yet, have a Russian foreign exchange student who is also good at ice skating (either be it Hockey or figure skating, take your pick) who befriends Casey and April.

I'm just reading through this thread. It's, uh, interesting. I do have to say though, Mikey still acts stupid.

Mirage gave us the best Mike. He was the everyturtle. The baseline by which all the others were The Leader, The Basket Case, and The Brain.

Having said that...I'll be damned if Nick Mike hasn't wormed his way into my heart. Kudos both to the writing, animation, and the performance by Cipes.

Now, I would think Leo is the everybody TMNT, right? In most incarnations.

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From that, i realized how less epic kraang battles would be if the head was not fair game. Pretty sure each turtle has knocked the head off a kraang atleast once.

And Raph himself nearly lost his own head, to the horrifying shock to Leo and Don They need more stuff like that, it was truly hysterical.

How do you guys honestly notice that April never said Raphael's name in 30 episodes or so? It's not something I would have ever realized if not seeing it just now.

Well, seeing that this quote was taken in December of last year, and the very next episode a few months later, The Good, The Bad and Casey Jones, has April actually saying "And the one and only, Raphael", makes me wonder if the show creators are truly watching this site. It's almost comical.

I think a episode like that would feel stronger if they little to no music, zero dialogue with exception of April's journal narration, and high quality sound effects of the cold wilderness of Northampton to get sense of isolation between the characters. I could totally see it as an award winning episode but the only problem with it is that some kids might find the episode boring!

I would just love to hear April say for the first time, she's actually afraid of Raphael, the way she did in Mirage. It would be one helluva nod.

Does the little girl have a name?
Then I hazard to say she doesn't really count as a female protagonist. Now if she shows up again and gets a name that's a horse of an entirely different color.

And I hope she does. .

I'm hoping if she does come back, she actually becomes someone we knew all along, like Angel or maybe even Shadow.

But she's not immune to mutagen. That we've seen.

Well, I guess we know now that she is. Right?

[Refractive Reflections]

So after 4-5 months worth of episodes and reflection, this thread is going to be reignited huh? ;)

http://37.media.tumblr.com/2749d04cd5d43c266af8460a449f2e25/tumblr_n4x0r4pmj11smqfiko1_400.gif

[Warhorse]

So after 4-5 months worth of episodes and reflection, this thread is going to be reignited huh? ;)

http://37.media.tumblr.com/2749d04cd5d43c266af8460a449f2e25/tumblr_n4x0r4pmj11smqfiko1_400.gif

Well, if the thread was that bad, it would have been locked, no? Anyways, it is interesting to see how things played out, that's all.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, this series keeps getting better and better with each episode for sure. I love it and am always eagerly awaiting the next episode.

[Warhorse]

Yeah, this series keeps getting better and better with each episode for sure. I love it and am always eagerly awaiting the next episode.

I don't think so. It has potential to be a top rated show, but I keep having this feeling that the creators, like Ciro, are being held back by both the studio heads with their lust to have episodes geared to sell toys, and the MPAA watch dogs to make sure the show is still kiddy friendly. We get a couple of episodes that are great, then we have a slew of them where I just didn't care. I am just hoping that as soon as the CEO's get their toy quota out of the way, Ciro can get back down to business and make a stream of episodes that are more tight and in sync with eachother.

[MiBs]

It has potential to be a top rated show, but I keep having this feeling that the creators, like Ciro, are being held back by both the studio heads with their lust to have episodes geared to sell toys, and the MPAA watch dogs to make sure the show is still kiddy friendly

True, and it's a pity. But I'm confident that Ciro and the team are trying their best to pull it in another direction. I listened to the podcast since this thread was bumped up, and Ciro says that they are finishing the season 2 finale, and that he's getting notes of concern from Nick, because they think the show is getting to dark and serious....so I hope that means that we're in for some great episodes later on

[BubblyShell22]

I don't think so. It has potential to be a top rated show, but I keep having this feeling that the creators, like Ciro, are being held back by both the studio heads with their lust to have episodes geared to sell toys, and the MPAA watch dogs to make sure the show is still kiddy friendly. We get a couple of episodes that are great, then we have a slew of them where I just didn't care. I am just hoping that as soon as the CEO's get their toy quota out of the way, Ciro can get back down to business and make a stream of episodes that are more tight and in sync with eachother.

Well, that's your opinion, but I disagree with it. Yeah, there have been a few hit and miss eps in season 2, but nothing major that really makes me hate it. I guess I'm just happy that we even have TMNT and just want to enjoy the ride as long as it lasts.

[Shark_Blade]

Yeah, this series keeps getting better and better with each episode for sure. I love it and am always eagerly awaiting the next episode.

I agree with this. They're coming up with great stories and characters, bravo Ciro and team! :D

[CyberCubed]

I don't think so. It has potential to be a top rated show, but I keep having this feeling that the creators, like Ciro, are being held back by both the studio heads with their lust to have episodes geared to sell toys, and the MPAA watch dogs to make sure the show is still kiddy friendly. We get a couple of episodes that are great, then we have a slew of them where I just didn't care. I am just hoping that as soon as the CEO's get their toy quota out of the way, Ciro can get back down to business and make a stream of episodes that are more tight and in sync with eachother.

I think its moreso that they're limited by the CG, so the writers keep the Turtles in the same NYC and use the same warehouses and hideout's over and over again so they don't have to build sets.

I want to see the Turtles time travel, go to Dimension X or alien planets, or the Northampton farmhouse, etc. But the CG limitations prevents them from doing this.

[Cure]

and the MPAA watch dogs to make sure the show is still kiddy friendly.

This...what? The MPAA aren't censors, they rate what's given to them. And they're for movies, as in MOTION PICTURES.

[Metalwolf]

True, and it's a pity. But I'm confident that Ciro and the team are trying their best to pull it in another direction. I listened to the podcast since this thread was bumped up, and Ciro says that they are finishing the season 2 finale, and that he's getting notes of concern from Nick, because they think the show is getting to dark and serious....so I hope that means that we're in for some great episodes later onBut if he's getting notes of concern from them, then wouldn't that mean that after he's finished up the Series 2 finale, he'll be forced to do overly light and kiddy again? :(

[Warhorse]

But if he's getting notes of concern from them, then wouldn't that mean that after he's finished up the Series 2 finale, he'll be forced to do overly light and kiddy again? :(

Like Fast Forward. Sometimes, studio heads just need to butt out. They're getting their green, let the creators handle the creation process. It's like watching Dirty Dancing, the scene when the nephew or grandson or whoever is left in charge, and goes to the Johnny for "advice" but then just knocks him down to boost his ego. I swear, this is what happens to these shows and franchises behind the scenes.

[MiBs]

But if he's getting notes of concern from them, then wouldn't that mean that after he's finished up the Series 2 finale, he'll be forced to do overly light and kiddy again? :(

Maybe, let's hope not. I don't mind some light episode, but not too many

[BubblyShell22]

I don't think the show is too dark. It has a great balance of light and dark, so I don't know why the studio is so concerned. But maybe that explains how Mikey is portrayed as dumb to have that lighthearted spark there so that the studio can stop getting on Ciro's back. It makes sense in a way. Man, I hate to think of what may happen when they try to adapt the Leo micro.