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Raph's Girl

06-28-2015, 12:27 PM

I'm not familiar with her. Sounds interesting though. Any word on when the new season starts? I'm anxious to see what Bruce and Alfred found behind the fireplace!

There have been 3 Tigress' in the comics. All one family tho.

The first one appeared in Action Comics #1 in 1938 as an enemy of Zatara. The 2nd one was her daughter Paula Brooks (who also went by the name Huntress but is not to be confused with the heroes of the same name..) who is the mother of the current Tigress that was featured in the Young Justice toon, Artimis Crock.

There was also another Tigress in Batman Beyond but she has nothing to do with the Brooks/Crock family as far as Im aware.

So Tabitha is actually the 5th Tigress and the 2nd one that is not related to the Brooks/Crock family (unless it's revealed the Galavan's ARE related somewhere along the lines. :P).

Gotham returns Sept 21st.

BubblyShell22

06-28-2015, 05:09 PM

Glad to see there's a premiere date. Can't wait for that.

TLP

06-29-2015, 04:22 AM

I'm still bothered by the fact that Bruce's future enemies are going to be older than him by the time he puts on the cowl. Some by a long mile.

I don't know, that just doesn't sit right with me.

Raph's Girl

06-30-2015, 12:32 AM

I'm still bothered by the fact that Bruce's future enemies are going to be older than him by the time he puts on the cowl. Some by a long mile.

2 Face, Riddler, and Penguin are way older than him yes but Scarecrow, Joker, Poison Ivy, Catwoman, and a couple others are all around his age.

Raph's Girl

07-09-2015, 06:01 PM

Check out this Gotham frieze that includes Victor Fries! *lol* And Joker and Penguin and Catwoman and

https://instagram.com/gothamonfox/

Wesley

07-10-2015, 02:30 PM

Raph's Girl

07-17-2015, 05:36 PM

"The Goldbergs" actress Natalie Alyn Lind has been cast as Silver St. Cloud. She's of course (just like in the comics) gonna be a love interest for Bruce (geesh...the kid is only 12 and he's got all these older girls falling for him. Silver is 15..altho she looks mid 20's..).

Also Silver is the niece of Tigress and Theo Galvan. Like her Aunt and Uncle she's gonna be a bad guy (which she totally isn't in the comics).

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/gotham-casts-natalie-alyn-lind-as-silver-st-cloud

Electric

07-17-2015, 06:37 PM

I've only watched some episodes of Gotham, but I thought the season one finale was good. However, I think the show isn't as good as other shows on the air at the moment like Agents of Shield and Person of Interest. The show suffers from an identity crisis and there is too much going on at times. Also, there some scenes in the show that was supposed to serious but came off as cheesy to me.

You're not alone, but I've read somewhere that season 2 is going to be mainly focused on developing the villains, and moving Bruce along, which to me is where this show stands out and does best. Riddler and scarecrows beginning transformations, penguins climb up gothams underworld, selinas development were to me the best plots in the first season. With season 2, joker will get more, as well as introducing mr freeze, and I'd be surprised if we didn't see a bit more of poison ivy and two face as well. Season one was a mix of a crime/detective show with a huge focus on the mobs, but that is apparently getting toned way down in season 2.

I'm still bothered by the fact that Bruce's future enemies are going to be older than him by the time he puts on the cowl. Some by a long mile.

I don't know, that just doesn't sit right with me.

Ivy is younger, catwoman joker? and scarecrow are about the same age, penguin, riddler and two face only seem to be a little bit older as they're all young in their career. With the exception of two face, as I always thought he was about the same age as batman, these ages are all pretty accurate.

Wesley

07-19-2015, 03:51 PM

You're not alone, but I've read somewhere that season 2 is going to be mainly focused on developing the villains, and moving Bruce along, which to me is where this show stands out and does best. Riddler and scarecrows beginning transformations, penguins climb up gothams underworld, selinas development were to me the best plots in the first season. With season 2, joker will get more, as well as introducing mr freeze, and I'd be surprised if we didn't see a bit more of poison ivy and two face as well. Season one was a mix of a crime/detective show with a huge focus on the mobs, but that is apparently getting toned way down in season 2.

I agree that the show is at its best when it focuses on the villains. I thought the Penguin stole every scene that he was in. I liked his odd friendship with Gordon in season one. Harvey Bullock is an interesting and funny character as well.

MikeandRaph87

07-19-2015, 04:07 PM

I would like to see Chief O' Hara introduced after some of the coruption within the force is weeded out. I always wanted d to see him used in a more serious tone and thought he and Bullock could have an interesting dynamic.

Silver St. Cloud the famous flame of Bruce Wayne despite lasting only a few issues. Is she supposed to be flirting competition for Selina? Gotham does its own thing as it seemed best to keep her in Bruce's adult life.

TLP, I agree anout the ages being off. Only Selina and Pamela are Bruce's age if I am not mistaken.When introduced Hush eill be ss well. Now, if this was during Brice's seven year trainning sabbatical then it would be more acceptable of the ages being off by a little. Riddler and Two Face or what mid 20s'? Penguin not much younger? Scarecrow is what 16/17? Black Mask and Zsasz are already well into their criminal careers. While Black Mask should be within Bruce's age bracket Zsasz I believe is one of a few not necccessarily tied to that.

Hero

07-20-2015, 01:40 AM

Was Chief O'Hara used in any Batman canon other than the 66 show? Would like to see a Gotham version of the character.

MikeandRaph87

07-20-2015, 02:00 AM

Was Chief O'Hara used in any Batman canon other than the 66 show? Would like to see a Gotham version of the character.

He was used in a little over half dozen brief appearances usually in shadow or the voice over the phone from the late 60s to early 80s. He did have a presence during Huntress Helena Wayne's adventures giving thr Earth-2 counterparte an actual character rather than a behind the scenes tease. In The Dark Victory mini-series the Hangman killer killed him as the first victim of the cop slayings. So its possible in current DC cannon he is dead. I always thought the character had potential instead of a stereotype and joke. Gotham is the perfect format for this.

Raph's Girl

07-21-2015, 11:18 PM

Michael Chiklis is leaving the Marvel universe for the DC! He has joined the cast of "Gotham" as a GCPD Captain named Nathaniel Barnes.

“[Barnes] lands on the GCPD like a tornado,” “Gotham’s” producers tell the outlet, “ripping out the dead wood of Gotham’s police force. He is a law and order zealot; unafraid of making enemies – on either side of the law. For Gordon, Barnes is a hero and a mentor, someone with whom he can share the burden of heroism. Captain Barnes proves himself to be a strong ally to Gordon… but one day he will make an equally powerful enemy.”

Sounds like a right charming fellow :roll:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/348125-michael-chiklis-heads-to-gotham

BubblyShell22

07-22-2015, 11:55 AM

Interesting to see these other characters are coming up. Can't wait for Barnes for sure.

Raph's Girl

08-17-2015, 06:37 PM

Michelle Veintimilla has been cast as a female Firefly! Well uh that's different. Perhaps she ends up being the mother of the Firefly from the comics??

Enslaved by her brothers, a notorious gang of arsonists, Bridgit Pike is forced into the family business. When she catches the eye of Selina Kyle, the young Cat Woman and the soon-to-be-Firefly team up to put Bridgit’s firestarting skills to good use. But after a deadly encounter with the Pike Brothers, the meek Cinderella is transformed into a vengeful supervillain, hell bent on destroying those who have wronged her.

Well at least this gives Selina a new friend...

http://comicbook.com/2015/08/17/gotham-casts-a-female-firefly-for-season-two/

BubblyShell22

08-18-2015, 09:22 AM

Oooh, that sounds awesome! Can't wait to see Selina team up with her.

Raph's Girl

08-25-2015, 05:32 PM

Our first look at the uh Bat-Office...

http://media.comicbook.com/2015/08/gotham-cave-office-148955.jpg

As you can see there's at least one object that has the Batman insignia on it.

http://media.comicbook.com/2015/08/g6-148958.jpg

http://comicbook.com/2015/08/25/gotham-detailed-photo-tour-of-thomas-waynes-underground-office

BubblyShell22

08-26-2015, 08:54 AM

Whoa. That's awesome. I definitely can't wait for that.

MsMarvelDuckie

08-26-2015, 01:36 PM

Oh, boy- I hope they're not going to go all "Adam West" with the bat-cave.... Please keep the batty-ness to a minimum!!

MsMarvelDuckie

09-24-2015, 08:44 PM

So- Penguin is now Gotham's "King"? And Why do I get a baaad feeling about Barbara and Joker getting so cozy? Cat's gone bad, (not unexpected) and the city is in chaos. Business as usual, it seems. But I LOVE it!

BubblyShell22

09-25-2015, 04:52 PM

Yeah, I love how Barb has gone crazy and thinks she killed her parents and how she and Joker are getting so friendly. This season's shaping up to be a good one for sure. So I'm assuming Fish is dead then since I didn't see her in the montage when they previewed the premiere. It would be cool if she came back though to reclaim her spot. That would really show Penguin, though I do love him.

MsMarvelDuckie

09-26-2015, 08:55 PM

I think maybe she actually did, but we just didn't see it. She DID try to kill Jim's new GF, after all! And I'm getting some really creepy vibes from Edward, too, which is cool. This is the scariest I've ever seen him. Oswald, on the other hand, is almost FUN! In a slightly sadistic way, of course.

BubblyShell22

09-27-2015, 08:28 AM

Oh, you're talking about Barb and her parents? Yeah, she did under the Ogre's control. I'm also getting some creepy vibes from Edward, too. Remember, he did kill that guy in the alley that was with the girl he liked.

MsMarvelDuckie

09-27-2015, 10:17 PM

Yeah, I remember that, but that's not what makes him so creepy this go-round. It's that voice in the mirror that he keeps hearing. Interesting, but SOOO psycho-weird! Never seen the Riddler like THAT!! But somehow, I love it!

BubblyShell22

09-28-2015, 04:48 PM

Yeah, I liked that, too, and I can't wait to see what happens tonight.

MsMarvelDuckie

09-28-2015, 06:02 PM

One hour to go! Can't wait!

Raph's Girl

09-29-2015, 12:01 AM

Well uh looks like the GCPD needs more cops...yeesh... Man Jerome is one creepy kid. The blood smeared around his face made him a bit more joker like. Also, RIP Sara Essen. :cry:

chrisdude

09-29-2015, 07:22 AM

Jerome's actor impresses me more, every week.

BubblyShell22

09-29-2015, 08:45 AM

Yes, I love Jerome! He's delightfully creepy, and his actor does a fantastic job portraying that with what he does. Yeah, looks like the GCPD is screwed right now, though I'm glad Harvey came back as I figured he would. Sucks the Commissioner was killed though as I really liked her, but glad that Jim's GF was spared. Barb is definitely messed up and Jim's lucky he got out of that one.

MsMarvelDuckie

09-29-2015, 02:50 PM

Yes, I am loving Jerome more every time I see him. THAT is the Joker I have always imagined! Not that crap Ledger pulled. I love creepy and psycho, but for gawds' sakes, have some FUN with the role! (Which is why I loved Jack's version, too. At least he was clearly enjoying himself in the Joker's shoes. Ledger just came off depressing and morbid....) But THIs- this I LIKE!

As for Barb, I guess now it's confirmed she really DID off her folks. Ogre may have goaded her into it, but the cuts were all her. She's nuttier than a Texas pecan tree in October....

Raph's Girl

09-29-2015, 07:28 PM

Sucks the Commissioner was killed though as I really liked her, but glad that Jim's GF was spared. Barb is definitely messed up and Jim's lucky he got out of that one.

Sara Essen's destiny I suppose. She was killed by the Joker in the comics too while commisioner. Altho she was dating Jim at the time....

Slade

10-06-2015, 06:52 PM

Finally caught the last ep...surprised to say the least.

MikeandRaph87

10-06-2015, 08:25 PM

Sara Essen's destiny I suppose. She was killed by the Joker in the comics too while commisioner. Altho she was dating Jim at the time....

They were married. Barbara Sr. and he were divorced and she left town with James Jr. He had an affair with Sarah at the time of Batman's debut.

It is wierd having hin paired with Leslie Tompkins. She and Alferd are a definitive couple and if Barbara "Batgirl" Gordon is to be born he needs to be with Barbara Sr.

BubblyShell22

10-08-2015, 12:34 PM

That episode was crazy! So, is Jerome dead then, or is this an illusion? Because if that's the case, then how does he become the Joker if he's dead? Nice to see Penguin back, too.

Slade

10-09-2015, 12:10 AM

That episode was crazy! So, is Jerome dead then, or is this an illusion? Because if that's the case, then how does he become the Joker if he's dead? Nice to see Penguin back, too.

According to show runners, the Joker is more like an ideal or something. Like the way Nolan had Batman be a symbol. Jerome was never Joker, (though, IMO, he should have been) the Joker actually hasn't been cast.

From what I gather from the articles I've seen.

Autbot_Benz

10-09-2015, 12:58 AM

Tommy Flanagan who played Chibs on Sons Of Anarachy is coming to gotham

Tommy Flanagan
15 mins ·
http://i59.tinypic.com/8x8y7r.jpg

I'm on the next flight to Gotham . Send the Batmobile, I'm driving. ‪#‎iAintNoJoker‬ FOX

Raph's Girl

10-09-2015, 02:40 PM

Barbara "Batgirl" Gordon is to be born he needs to be with Barbara Sr.

Barbara Kean is NOT needed for Barbara Gordon to be born. At one point in the comics Barbara was Jim's niece that he adopted after her parents died. I believe they used that plot point in Batman:TAS as well.

MsMarvelDuckie

10-09-2015, 02:56 PM

Or they could just as easily make her Alfred's niece, like in the B&R film. I know everyone hates that one, but it was a different take.

Also, Now that Jerome is dead, I'm curious to see where they take the Joker concept. It seemed to imply his father had cursed him, which is an interesting twist on the "character", since he's had multiple origins. Maybe this was their way of explaining why? Like the Joker is more of a mantle than a specific person? Or maybe someone else will take up the name later, in "honor" of Jerome? (An extreme kind of fanboy-ism, maybe.)

Leo656

10-09-2015, 08:57 PM

That's probably what they're going for, but holy sh*t, that's awful, if it ends up being what they do. :lol: That's a seriously corny idea. The Joker's a crazy guy, not some quasi-supernatural "force of nature" or whatever. They screwed that up in the newer comics, too, making him some kind of "immortal trickster god." Awwwwwfuuuuul. :lol: Talk about seriously over-complicating things needlessly.

But in this case, they're probably hamstring by DC/WB's long-standing "The Joker HAS no official origin" mandate, and so this was the best they could come up with for the sake of the show. DC has stated for decades that they're never going to endorse any "real" origin for the Joker (to the point where they go out of their way to constantly nullify/contradict The Killing Joke, the one and only Joker origin story anyone actually likes or cares about). Meanwhile, this show is all about origins, but you still have to have a Joker character.

So you get this kind nonsense. :lol: I mean it's whatever at this point. Good show, mostly, but you just kind of have to go into watching it knowing at this point that you have to take the good stuff with the really, really, REALLY bad stuff. :trazz: If the Joker ends up either being a "curse" or just a gimmick shared by a bunch of semi-random guys... well, either way, that's pretty stupid. Ah well.

BubblyShell22

10-11-2015, 07:57 AM

I agree that it was stupid to kill Jerome so soon. He had a lot of potential and I think it would have been neat to see him grow up as The Joker since it was implied that's who he was and the show's all about introducing the origins of Batman's villains. But if this is the best they could do, they dropped the ball on this one. Big time. I'll still watch the show, but I'm not happy about how Jerome just got offed like that.

Autbot_Benz

10-11-2015, 04:31 PM

Robin Lord Taylor ‏@robinlordtaylor 2m2 minutes ago

Big news: Paul Reubens will be playing Penguin's father in @Gotham. Unreal. I have the best tv parents. Legends.

Kind of Ironic cause Paul Reubens played Mr Cobblepot in Batman Returns also.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2hcq6fr.jpg

Raph's Girl

10-11-2015, 04:58 PM

Kind of Ironic cause Paul Reubens played Mr Cobblepot in Batman Returns also.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2hcq6fr.jpg

Now there's something nobody expected. Paul Reuben's reprising his role...huh...Im assuming this will be in flashbacks but still. Nice casting.

MikeandRaph87

10-11-2015, 05:40 PM

I caught up on Gotham yesterday watching the first three episodes. Who is this corrupt businessman Theo who broke the six inmates out? It should have been Rupert Thorne in such a role. Also, Essen becomes commissioner 2/3rds of the way through one episodes only to be killed off 2/3rds of the way trough the very next one? I know its changing things, but that quick? Also, I was surprised with Jerome being killed off. I assumed he was The Joker as did everyone. So the showrunners fooled everyone there. Where will they go to bring forth The Joker now? Jerome is simply an inspiration not the one.

Also I was surprised with them making Barbara Gordon Sr. crazy. Distant and abandon her family one day sure, but to be one of the crazies? It was a bad idea for James Jr. to be written that way and I don't see the purpose for this either. She needs to marry Jim so they can have Barbara "Batgirl" Gordon in a couple of years. Also, like Bruce and Selina and Dick and Barbara Leslie if paired with anyone is with Alfred. The character here is younger and paired with Jim. The actors are in real-life. Is that what inspired the non-comic book relationship?

I found it weird that Jim walked to Wayne Manor to apologize in the opener and the kid served a plotpoint of pointing Jim in the right direction and Jim listened to the child wise beyond his years.

What is the deal with Riddler talking an evil version of himself? It reminds me of the Norman and the Green Goblin after Norman downs the formula. Does Eddie have a dual personality that leads him to becoming The Riddler?

As I said, the show is definitely its own thing even if like Smallville it has to end up at a certain point and that in itself is a good thing so that way we will not know what to expect.

BubblyShell22

10-13-2015, 12:35 PM

Awesome to hear Paul Ruebens will be on Gotham. I think he'll do a good job.

Yeah, I don't know what Ed's deal is, but I like that he's talking to another version of himself. It's delightfully crazy.

As I said, I hated how they killed Jerome off. Big mistake, but like you, I think it's more that he was the precursor to the Joker and someone else will take the mantle. Not happy with that route, but it is what it is. I would have rather Jerome grow up to be The Joker.

I also love crazy Barb, too. She plays it well.

Also love Capt. Barnes. Seems like a no-nonsense type of guy, but with the way the show has been killing people off left and right, I wouldn't be surprised if he's killed soon a anyway.

MsMarvelDuckie

10-13-2015, 12:58 PM

Well, that was an interesting turn of events. Backing Penguin into a corner? NOT a good idea. Theo has NO idea who he's really messing with, here, and I have a feeling that the worm is going to turn big-time on that one. When he finds out where they have his mother..... Wouldn't want to be him!

In a related note, killing off the other candidates, and "just missing" Theo? No, no one will suspect HIM.... :trolleye: Hope he's ready for the back-lash when it all hits the fan (which it will).

My biggest gripe in the latest episode though, was Alfred. Hitting a 13 year-old girl? NOT cool, man, even if she DID kill Reggie. I mean, seriously, he HIT a KID. And a girl, at that. Starting to feel like this Alfred is just a bit too harsh and uncaring. Aloof is one thing, but some of what he's done is over the line into abusive. I get that he's angry, but that just not how you deal with things. EVER. Loved Cat's little display of agility, though. Maybe she's going to do some soul-searching after this, which might be a good thing, too. But still- Alfred was a d*ck.

MikeandRaph87

10-13-2015, 03:42 PM

I did find it weird that Alferd threw a punch a 7th grade age girl. I dont care what she did though she did the wrong thing for the righ4 reason.

Introducing Silver messes up the way it was so brief but memorable in 1977. Wonder how she will play into it all. Perhaps give Brice a way of uncovering Galavan's plan to control Gotham as he uses his niece to get the Wayne family business. It seems more and more like Theo is an analog of Boss Rupert Thorne, corrupt chairman of city council.Especially since fellow Englehart character Silver St. Cloud is his niece.

I dont see the point of making Essen the top cop for just one episode. I wonder if somewhere down the line there will be a younger sister that will be the respective Sarah Essen from the post-crisis comics. It was done with Jimmy Olsen that way in Smallville.

Reading the interview it looks like Captain Barnes will be there at least the rest of the season. Its Clobberin' Time.

Any word when Mr. Freeze will show up? I have also been hoping to see Tommy Elliott as a preteen.

MsMarvelDuckie

10-13-2015, 03:59 PM

I don't know enough about any of those characters to comment on them. St. Cloud was a vaguely familiar name, and yeah, I'm kind of hoping Thorne shows up at some point, because I'm currently watching the first two volumes of Batman: TAS, and just watched the two-part (HA!) episode with him that created Two-Face a couple of nights ago.

And was that actually Chiklis? I THOUGHT it looked like him, but wasn't sure, since I didn't see his name in the credits. Also, Reubens reprising Cobblepot's dad- that's hilarious!!

MikeandRaph87

10-13-2015, 04:34 PM

Silver is an event planner who originally appeared at a yacht party with her date who ditched her when low rated but awesome villain Dr. Phosphorous strikes the first time. That was in Detective Comics #469 and appeared through #476. She and Bruce fell deeply in love real quick, but she figured out he was Bruce Wayne by phosphorous burns and did not want to live in fear of his life every night so she left Gotham. She returned in a sequel to the run engaged to a gubnatorial candidate, who when after he persued the Joker got his legs chopped off and she had to care for him even though she loved Bruce instead.

Galavan really seems to be Gotham's Rupert Thorne judging by motive. Check out Strange Apparitions tpb which covers the first of three storylines that feature Boss Thorne in the comics. Its the same issues Silver initially appeared in. I recommended to CKD and cannot recommend it enough.

MsMarvelDuckie

10-13-2015, 04:46 PM

Nah, I'm not really a big fan of Batman in the comics- usually prefer his villains, actually- but I did watch the cartoon series back when it was on, and am re-watching it now on DVD. Was also into Batman Beyond and Static Shock when they were on, but it's been YEARS since I watched or read any DC stuff outside of Gotham. I'm more of a Marvel fan, TBH. I own very few DC books, and when I DO read them, it's usually the odd issue of Cat-Woman, Wonder Woman, a few "one-off" trades of Superman or Batman (and by that I mean more recent ones, like within the past decade) or a couple of GL or the older DC/Marvel crossovers. I did read The Dark Knight TPB, Watchmen, and a few others, but that's about as far as my DC reading goes. My shelves are (almost) all Marvel, yo! (With a few Dynamite, Devil's Due, IDW, Image, and Dark Horse....)

BubblyShell22

10-13-2015, 05:57 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't want to be Galavan when Penguin finds his mom. He's going to die for sure. Don't really like Silver that much as I prefer Selina. I think I might have missed Alfred's punch to Selina. Was probably taking a bathroom break, but I agree that's a stupid thing for him to do. I do think Alfred is way too harsh sometimes, especially when he broke that computer.

MikeandRaph87

10-13-2015, 07:06 PM

Its like I said Silver is one of two ex-girlfriends that stand out, Vickie Vale and her. Silver's relationship lasted 8 issues, but was impactful. Bruce's other is Selina no matter how many other women there are, but was brief as Silver's appearances were they were memorable. I love Batman of the Earth-1 era the most as its the template for Batman: The Animated Series.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1404073102/silver.jpg

https://comicsgrinder.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/silver1.jpg

http://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/marshallsilver1.jpg

https://p.dreamwidth.org/235a852180dd/-/i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/Hefmeister/Dark%20Detective/Batman-DarkDetective2pg07.jpg

MikeandRaph87

10-26-2015, 08:10 PM

SO was the girl forced to play Firebug killed or not? She accidently set herself on fire when resisting the cops attempt to help and was said to be dead, but then we see a bandaged person wheeled into a Wayne Enterprise building.

Also, what exactly happened with Eddie and his crush? He tells her he protected her from a man who wanted her dead by killing him outside of her apartment only for not to take it the right way. Did Eddie accidently chock her to death when trying to explain his action? It did not take much and he certainly did not mean it.

I stand by the concept of Theo Glavan being Rupert Thorne by another name. It just seems to be the personality and direction of Thorne, who would make sense for this series.

MsMarvelDuckie

10-26-2015, 09:32 PM

No, she didn't die. The guy wheeling her clearly said that the suit had melted to her bodyvand made her fireproof. She was being taken to some testing facility that was part of Wayne Ent.

Also, yes, Edward killed her. He was holding her throat too tight, and she suffocated. It was pretty obvious. He kept saying he'd never hurt her and that he was protecting her when he killed Tom, but he ended up doing the very thing she was accusing him of!. So that's the straw that broke that camel's back, and pushes him all the way over the edge, I guess.

Storm Eagle

10-26-2015, 09:39 PM

No, she didn't die. The guy wheeling her clearly said that the suit had melted to her bodyvand made her fireproof. She was being taken to some testing facility that was part of Wayne Ent.

I'm kind of upset about her now. I almost wish she had just perished. That, or she didn't kill her brothers and that Gordon came in and took them down instead.

MikeandRaph87

10-26-2015, 09:48 PM

I'm kind of upset about her now. I almost wish she had just perished. That, or she didn't kill her brothers and that Gordon came in and took them down instead.

I agree on that account.

One site it appeared she died and it seemed that Gordon confirmed it.

Was the scene where Eddie murdered her psycho ex shown onscreen? His intentions were noble even if wrong. I never expected Eddie to kill her especially by accident. I assumed she would explse him somewhere down the line not have a misunderstanding leading to her manslaughter. It really is a shame.

MsMarvelDuckie

10-26-2015, 10:05 PM

Gordon told Cat that Brigit didn't make it, so it's understandable. I suspect he didn't know she was still alive.

On an interesting side-note, in Celtic mythology, Bridgit is the goddess of fire and the hearth, also of metal-smithing and patron of women. Her name was quite apropos, no? LOL!! (And she's also a mother goddess aspect of the Triple Goddess, and patron of artists, healers, and craftworkers. And incidentally my patron deity as a Wiccan.)

MikeandRaph87

10-26-2015, 10:36 PM

I thought we were going to get Firefly , but instead of the 2nd string foe we get an alternate version of a lesser version of a 2nd stringer, Firebug from Batman#318. Until she was being carted off for test it did look like she was dead and it is probably meant for it to be believed. What plan is in store for her?

Other chess pieces moving around would be Riddler being more in coming weeks and the rest centers around the Penguin/Galavan struggle. Silver St. Cloud showing up early in Bruce's life and is the niece of Galavan, who has it out for the Wayne family wanting to take down the family name because of something generations ago and Silver is a pawn.

Penguin warring with Theo and about to remove his ace in the whole. I dont know if he will actually be mayor if so for all that long. I predict Barbara Sr., who he is still housing will play a part in exsposing him.

Anything I missed?

Raph's Girl

10-27-2015, 12:25 AM

I agree on that account.

One site it appeared she died and it seemed that Gordon confirmed it.

Was the scene where Eddie murdered her psycho ex shown onscreen?

Eddie killed the guy last season. After he stabbed him to death he chopped him up and destroyed all the evidence with acid....at the police station...

MikeandRaph87

10-27-2015, 06:21 AM

Eddie killed the guy last season. After he stabbed him to death he chopped him up and destroyed all the evidence with acid....at the police station...

I watched 10 episodes last season so I figured it happened and I missed it.

Storm Eagle

10-27-2015, 07:44 AM

Selina has lost all faith and hope in Gordon now, just for failing to get through to Bridgit. She also tried to talk some sense into her as well. They both failed. Perhaps Selina will think about this.

BubblyShell22

10-27-2015, 08:45 AM

Wow. What an episode! I'm glad Bridgit didn't die because I liked her, but something tells me she's in for a rough ride at that testing facility. But I did like her character.

Yeah, Selina hates Jim now, but I can understand why as Bridgit was her best friend and she trusted Gordon to help her. I hope she comes to terms with this, too, but we'll just have to see how this plays out.

Ed killed his love. So sad, and I think this will make him go even more over the edge than he has been lately.

I hope they get Penguin's mother back. Loved how Butch is doing the double spy thing. Kind of reminds me of Snape doing that in Harry Potter. I wonder though if Butch will be able to keep up the facade for long.

Overall, a very interesting episode. I'm glad they're showing one next Monday, too. I was worried they wouldn't due to the World Series.

MsMarvelDuckie

10-27-2015, 12:42 PM

BubblyShell22

10-27-2015, 03:26 PM

Yeah, I like the different villains, too. All of them are interesting in their own ways.

MikeandRaph87

10-28-2015, 06:43 AM

No, she WAS Firefly, they were calling her that throughout the episode. Backstory might be different, but they've done that quite a bit in this show. I kind of like this mix of villains, both familiar and obscure.

Garfield Lynns is Firefly. I was expecting him, but then references were made to a Firebug. It made me assume this cjaracter was retooled.

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Firebug

MsMarvelDuckie

10-28-2015, 06:52 AM

I'm not aware of a character called that, but generally, firebug is generic term used for pyros. It is a slang term. I assumed they used it in that context.

MikeandRaph87

10-28-2015, 06:58 AM

I'm not aware of a character called that, but generally, firebug is generic term used for pyros. It is a slang term.

I am not familar with the term,but am well versed in the comics and have two of the four appearances of the character. Firefly started out in his first two apprarances using a light gimmick not a fire gimmick so technically while Firebug is a knockoff of a second sting villain Firebug was first to use the gimmick.

Who thinks Galavan will be around next season? Something tells me a certain bird will take him out.

Slade

10-28-2015, 07:19 AM

Idk if it's just me, but I was not interested in this episode at all. Maybe they should have wrapped the Firefly or whoever she was supposed to be up in the last episode.

I skipped through everything with Selina and Gordon. I watched Nigma do his thing.

Maybe I've lost interest since they killed Jerome. Idk.

BubblyShell22

10-28-2015, 07:49 AM

Storm Eagle

10-28-2015, 08:03 AM

Idk if it's just me, but I was not interested in this episode at all. Maybe they should have wrapped the Firefly or whoever she was supposed to be up in the last episode.

I kind of wish they did. It seemed like Bridgit just couldn't catch a break. I'm miffed at how she turned out, but I guess that's what writers want. Evoking emotion from viewers and readers. Now with her at Indian Hill, it's only going to get worse. Going from pyrophobe to full-fledged pyromaniac. Dang.

MsMarvelDuckie

10-28-2015, 09:55 AM

I don't remember them calling her Firebug. They did call her Firefly as Capt. Barnes tells Jim about her and shows the security footage.

Sorry you weren't interested in this episode, Slade. I loved it myself as it had a lot of things in it.

They were calling the three brothers firebugs, and they did refer to her as one in the previous episode, then started calling her Firefly, possibly because she was a female. Not sure how she picked up tha new name, unless it was a media thing.

Raph's Girl

10-28-2015, 04:08 PM

Mark yer calenders folks for Nov 30th as that'll be the first of many appearances of Nathan Darrow as Victor Fries! Dunno who's playing Nora but Victor is considered to be Gotham's top Cryo Engineer and is of course trying to find ways to save his terminally ill wifey.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2015/10/28/nathan-darrow-to-guest-star-on-gotham-as-victor-fries-the-future-mr-freeze-beginning-his-arc-on-monday-nov-30-592301/20151028fox02/

BubblyShell22

10-28-2015, 04:44 PM

Sweet. Can't wait for that.

TLP

10-28-2015, 05:04 PM

That was the best episode yet. It felt like I was watching a tonally different show. (The "structurally-confused" first season doesn't even compare to this.)

It got dark.

Mark yer calenders folks for Nov 30th as that'll be the first of many appearances of Nathan Darrow as Victor Fries! Dunno who's playing Nora but Victor is considered to be Gotham's top Cryo Engineer and is of course trying to find ways to save his terminally ill wifey.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2015/10/28/nathan-darrow-to-guest-star-on-gotham-as-victor-fries-the-future-mr-freeze-beginning-his-arc-on-monday-nov-30-592301/20151028fox02/

That's ... like the 10th "future" Batman rogue that's going to be in their late-40s to early-60s (or dead of old age ie Falcone and Loeb) when Bruce finally puts on the cowl. In his early 20s. Ouch.

Raph's Girl

10-30-2015, 04:10 PM

That's ... like the 10th "future" Batman rogue that's going to be in their late-40s to early-60s (or dead of old age ie Falcone and Loeb) when Bruce finally puts on the cowl. In his early 20s. Ouch.

Fries has always been older than Bruce. At least this time we'll see Nora pre-cryo freeze.

Meanwhile B.D Wong has been cast as Hugo Strange. Wonder if he'll be wearing the signature glasses? The infamous Professor is in charge of Arkham and the uber secret Indian Hill project seen in this week's ep.

http://comicbook.com/2015/10/30/exclusive-bd-wong-cast-as-professor-hugo-strange-on-gotham/

Raph's Girl

10-31-2015, 12:55 AM

Aaaand Nora Fries has been cast! She will be played by Kristen Hager who played uh...Nora the werewolf in "Being Human".... Wonder if that's what her sicknes is? She dumped the guy who turned her into a werewolf and found love again in Victor Fries... :P

http://comicbook.com/2015/10/30/kristen-hager-cast-as-nora-fries-in-gotham/

BubblyShell22

10-31-2015, 03:44 PM

I've heard of Hugo Strange, but I didn't know he was connected to Batman. That's cool.

MikeandRaph87

11-23-2015, 07:31 PM

Hugo Strange is the third villain Batman ever faced and his oldrst reoccuring foe. He first appeared in Detective Comics way back in February 1940. He reappeared in Batman#1 alongside Joker and Catwoman's first ever stories. In that story Batman swears off guns following his murder of Hugo's monster men. He would disappear until the Strange Apparitions storyline which he learns Batman's identity and briefly takes his place. After Dick saves Bruce Strange is kidnapped and tortured to near death by Rupert Thorne, who Galavan seems to be a variant of.

Its cute seeing Bruce and Selina even as kids. However, Silver entering the picture before Dick's college days does not work even when trying something different like Galavan using her to woo Bruce and her being dumb enough to allow it let alone Bruce laying one on her right in front of Selina. Funny how I did not see them setting her up and give a nod to Matches Malone in the process.

Raph's Girl

11-30-2015, 05:50 PM

Be set to meet Matches Malone: Bald edition.

Michael Bowen (Uncle Jack on Breaking Bad) has been cast as Patrick "Matches" Malone, who in this incarnation is the killer of the Wayne's. Something tells me Bruce won't be immitating him when he's older. :ohwell:

http://comicbook.com/2015/11/30/exclusive-gotham-casts-michael-bowen-as-matches-malone/

MikeandRaph87

11-30-2015, 07:42 PM

The show won't be back until Leap Day? That is a long wait. I thought mid January, about six weeks.

Springing team of S.W.AT. members assaulting Galavan's stronghold, Jim Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Alfred Pennyworth, The Penguin, The Riddler, Catwoman, and Lucius Fox. That is a magnificent seven!:P

It looks like Galavan despite being murdered execution style is not so dead. Was that a human shell to support the idea of a clone body? People have been suggesting he is Ra's, but I never bought it. I painted him as Rupert Thorne knockoff. Though it did remind me of Agent Bishop's longevity.

Mr. Freeze in the very last seconds, but he is already Freeze. Most Bruce's rogues are going to be twice his age when really only Hugo Strange (60ish) and R'as (650ish) are not within a five year range of his age.

Raph's Girl

12-01-2015, 12:00 AM

Well I guess the producers changed their minds and decided to put the pregnancy in the storyline after all! Here comes Lil Barbara!

Slade

12-02-2015, 07:41 AM

I've been enjoying this show a lot more this season than last.

Freaking Mr. Freeze man. I didn't expect to see him already.

MikeandRaph87

12-02-2015, 09:21 PM

The Riddler and The Penguin are a buddy comedy just beginning within the show. I dont like what made Eddie snap though. Why not have Miss Kringle use Eddie for something and not really love him and that make him snap? Its interesting seeing them join the raid to save their future shared enemy. Catwoman not so much, but those two it was.

I am not what to make of Galavan. He is dead, but we have not seen the last of him. Will something like what is runored for Zod in Dawn of Justice happen with Galavan or something like Agent ishop's situation? Not a fan and did notvsee the point in Fish Mooney, but we saw her incubating in a tube as one of Hugo Strange's experiments. What is the purpose of using killed or damaged beyond repair bad guys?

Not sure what to make of this pairing with Leslie Tompkins. She is Alferd's girlfriend and Bruce's mother figure. Will Barbara get a different mom? She does have an older brother, but comic continuity either ignores him or plays havoc with him and this show despite having to meet to a certain point it is doing its own thing.

I am surprised the Galavan angle wrapped. I expected him to play corrupt politician for awhile and get exposed and jailed in the second season finale.

Mr. Freeze is involved too early, but Freeze has such a great story it is just limited and delicate as I actually want the guy to have a happy ending. Love the character.

Storm Eagle

12-03-2015, 03:22 AM

Not sure what to make of this pairing with Leslie Tompkins. She is Alferd's girlfriend...

I'm sure you meant to say Gordon.

MikeandRaph87

12-03-2015, 06:35 AM

I'm sure you meant to say Gordon.

No, in the comics Leslie is older and paired with Alfred's and acts as a mother figure for Bruce. The hook up with Gordon is exclusive to the show.

Storm Eagle

12-04-2015, 12:37 AM

No, in the comics Leslie is older and paired with Alfred's and acts as a mother figure for Bruce. The hook up with Gordon is exclusive to the show.

I only know about Leslie from Batman: The Animated Series, and her relation to Bruce Wayne there. I still didn't think you were talking about anything else but Gotham though.

sdp

01-26-2016, 08:31 PM

I started watching Gotham, I've heard that it's terrible and that it gets better but I'm going to give it a shot. I am definitely not a fan of young catwoman or young ivy, I mean if they're just cameos it'll be fine but if they end up being involved in the show which I think they will I'm not sure how I'll feel about it. I really didn't need to see Waynes origin again but I guess it was cool to see more of it. Overall the first two episodes were fine and I like the characters but we'll see.

Edit: Well I finished watching Gotham and I had a blast, it was definitely more fun than the other Batman show Arrow and maybe more fun than Flash but they're very different shows so it's hard to judge. Yeah it sucks to see young Ivy all the time and Selina as well but it's ok. They had a little too much Bruce but I was surprised by how OK I was with it. I love Harvey great character as Oswald, Maroni and Falcone. Nygma was great to see as well. I do think the timeline will get messy since the more seasons this show goes on the more likely we'll see every rouge while Bruce is young unless there is some time skip. The season finale was definitely one of the weakest though didn't like evil Barbara. I don't see why so many people are so upset over this show though, yeah its changing some of the mythos but so has every other live action interpretation of Batman including the fan favorite Nolan movies so why get so upset over some small changes here and there?

MikeandRaph87

02-16-2016, 02:45 PM

Theo Galavan may have been murdered by Jim Gordon and The Penguin, but apparently he is the (undead?) Azrael.
http://comicbook.com/2016/02/16/gotham-first-look-identity-of-who-is-playing-azrael-revealed/

Slade

02-16-2016, 03:37 PM

I'm not a fan of that..

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-16-2016, 03:47 PM

I don't watch this show anymore and I despise most of it, but I gotta give them props: that's a pretty great Azrael costume! (Let me know if it comes with an actual flaming sword...)

Wesley

02-17-2016, 04:47 PM

I've only seen most episodes up to episode 6 of season 2 (Channel 5 aired the sixth episode last Monday). RTE Two hasn't aired any of season 2 yet. I think this season is much better than the first one so far, though I find it to be a bit cheesy at times, though season one had that problem as well. It's got a good mix of drama, action and comic relief. Penguin and Harvey are my favourite characters.

Slade

02-17-2016, 06:59 PM

Season 2 was a lot better than season one.
I wish this show would hurry up though.

On a side note, I'm wondering how long this can actually last. I mean at some point, Bruce has to grow up and he had to become Batman. If WB is doing movies, he's not going to be on a tv show..

sdp

02-17-2016, 08:52 PM

The show will go on as long as it has ratings and it will never be a Batman show so the longer it goes for the more like Smallville it'll be where all these Batman events happen before Bruce actually becomes Batman just like it happened before.

Slade

02-17-2016, 11:36 PM

I don't think Gotham will be able to accomplish what Smallville did.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-18-2016, 04:59 AM

As corny as season one was at times, season two has really raised the bar for the series. The rivalry between Cat and Silver, Oswald's friendship with Edward, even Bruce stepping up- the seeds are all there.c

MikeandRaph87

02-29-2016, 07:54 PM

Was that The Joker in Arkham saying "hear no evil, see no evil" repeatedly.

TLP

03-01-2016, 10:23 AM

This show is graphic as freaking hell. It's getting close to the levels of gore that American Horror Story reached.

But Gotham has been fantastic this season.

Autbot_Benz

03-01-2016, 12:00 PM

Was that The Joker in Arkham saying "hear no evil, see no evil" repeatedly.

no that wasn't Joker he was a random inmate

MsMarvelDuckie

03-01-2016, 07:50 PM

No, it wasn't Joker. "Joker" was the kid from the circus, Jerome, who was stabbed by Galavan. Interestingly, the circus he was part of had Dick's parents in it- before they were even married. There's a lot of connections in this show, and somehow they all lead back to Bruce and Jim.

MikeandRaph87

03-08-2016, 03:40 PM

Mr. Freeze origin part 2 from last night's Gotham is recapped.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/gotham-recap-dr-strange-befriends-mr-freeze-080854446.html

So is Nora dead or in cryogenic suspension?

Raph's Girl

03-08-2016, 04:42 PM

So is Nora dead or in cryogenic suspension?

She be dead. Her body essentially fell apart cuz she switched canisters to an earlier formula.

MikeandRaph87

03-08-2016, 05:18 PM

She be dead. Her body essentially fell apart cuz she switched canisters to an earlier formula.

I know she switched canisters on her husband, but since Victor turned it on himself and it made him to his subzero state instead of kill him I thought Nora may be in cryogenic state.

MsMarvelDuckie

03-08-2016, 09:13 PM

It was explained at the end when he woke up in Ahrkam. He had absorbed traces of his earlier formulae and it caused a mutation of sorts.

Raph's Girl

03-16-2016, 10:32 PM

Gotham just got renewed for a 3rd season! :o

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/17/gotham-renewed-for-season-three/

CyberCubed

03-18-2016, 04:57 PM

How is this show still on the air?

chrisdude

03-18-2016, 05:00 PM

How is this show still on the air?Because it's awesome.

Need proof?

"This show is awesome." - my dad, at the close of this week's episode.

See?

Autbot_Benz

03-18-2016, 05:36 PM

How is this show still on the air?

Its a good show its an elseworld story regarding Jim Gordon and Batman's Rouges before batman shows up.

Now the big question is how is Agents Of Shield still on tv

MsMarvelDuckie

03-19-2016, 02:48 PM

It started off a little shaky and yes, slightly hokey in some eps- the guy with the balloons was the worst- but it has really come into its own this season. Penguin is an amazing breakout character (never cared for him much before) and Cat is- well, it's easy to see where the seeds of her future relationship with Bruce/Bats are being planted. Nygma has really started getting good, too. I DO kind of miss Moony, but there are so many great characters here. And this is probably my favorite version of Harvey Bullock outside of B:TAS.

MikeandRaph87

03-19-2016, 08:19 PM

http://screenrant.com/gotham-clayface-penguin-father/

Basil Karlo will show up probably gaining the powers of his successors before season's end. Also, we are given a two day preview of father and son meeting for what seems to be the first time. Oswald is already 31 while Bruce is 11ish? They cant be more than five year apart. Ah well, elseworlds.

MikeandRaph87

03-28-2016, 08:03 PM

Well, Daddy Peewee only last two episodes. I expected a few more. The woman was after his money and used Penguin's criminal record to her advantage to frame him. I kind of feel for the feathered felon losing both parents within a month's time.

MsMarvelDuckie

03-28-2016, 09:27 PM

She wasn't trying to frame him. The poison was meant for Oswald, not his father. She was genuinely upset when she learned the father drank the sherry. Because he wasn't even supposed to have it! He was disobeying his doc's orders by drinking it, and she had expected only Oswald to drink it. That's why she asked if his father had drunk any, and her son spilled the rest to hide the evidence. She had also told her kids that they needed to get rid of the "rat", meaning Oswald.

Raph's Girl

03-29-2016, 06:08 PM

There's a scene in this week's ep in the prison. I recognized the movie emediatly as 7 Brides for 7 Brothers. At first I was wondering why of all things they'd be showing a musical in a men's prison. Then I remembered that this was the break out starring role for... Julie Newmar! :D

MsMarvelDuckie

03-29-2016, 09:21 PM

Lol! I noticed it too- didn't know about Newmar in it though! I was wondering why that particular movie....

MikeandRaph87

04-11-2016, 08:10 PM

This is the episode that both The Penguin and The Riddler come to the point of no return. I don't like Riddler as a serial killer, just out to outsmart Batman and kill him once he does.

A month after losing his mother due to his villainous ways he loses his father. Oswald would have reformed if he was able to be with his father. I do like this portrayal, but was the revenge he took neccessary? Spiking their wine would have sufficed, but this...It went to far.:o

MsMarvelDuckie

04-12-2016, 05:14 PM

After what those golddiggers did to him AND his father, they had it coming. I saw it as paybacks and nothing mire. Though he DID seem to get quite a lot of pleasure from it. I think it was more for the shock to the mother than anything. From the way he was grinning about the poison, I'd guess he used it on the two kids, then just cooked them to get back at her.

Raph's Girl

04-12-2016, 07:34 PM

This week on Gotham: Penguin gets cooking lessons from his good friend Hannibal! :lol:

MikeandRaph87

05-10-2016, 05:40 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/gotham-recap-it-takes-a-lot-to-stop-theo-074943330.html

Galavan finally killed and Hugo Strange exposed?

Butch hooked up with Tabatha?

The girl portraying the Firefly knockoff is up n3xt. Mad Hatter or Clayface going to show? We see Fish Mooney up and about. Too much to cram into two episodes.

MikeandRaph87

05-17-2016, 09:14 AM

The penultimate episode of the season. Professor Strange is indeed the one who hired Chill to kill Thomas(and Martha) Wayne for getting to close to his plan for the Wayne funded Arkham project. The one who helped strange? The court of The Owls. Was bringing in a New 52 element necessary? I know it was mentioned in interviews, but I shrug it off. Basil Karlo debuted and Mad Hatter teased. Fish is back probably only to be killed again like Galavan. Oh, and Eddie is now full on villain mojo.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lets-liveblog-mondays-geeky-tv-005000334.html

Electric

05-18-2016, 11:14 PM

Gotham has been quite strange (no pun intended) lately, but Im honestly enjoying it. Accepting that it alters whats usually typical backstories and timelines for characters, were finally seeing some become who we knew they were going to be.

My personal favorite being Riddler. Casting for him was spot on, and now we really get to see just how intellectually mad he is. Everything he does has an element of survival, and one of just trying to demonstrate how smart he is. Fantastic.

Firefly has been cool, even switching the character to Bridgett. Clayface introduced, Mr. Freeze fully developed, Azrael arc, Penguins comeback, Mad Hatter teased. Season two really is "Wrath of the Villains.

Couple of things:
1. Fish's comeback - I have a theory on this. Fish was probably the biggest, non-canon, addition to Gotham, who became a major character. I think Gotham is trying to have another "Harley Quinn" scenario. Harley was first introduced in the animated series, people loved her, and then she was canon-ized in the comics. Similarly, Diggle on Arrow had the same result. Again, I think thats the same goal with Fish. Only thing is, Fish in the first season was ultimately just another crime boss, which Batman already has tons of. But now in season 2, decked out in a comic-worthy costume with her new found mind-control? abilities, and you've got a brand new, distinct and powerful villain that the Dark Knight can face off with for years to come.

2. This one was more of a dashed hope. There was a very obvious scene of Azrael taking the whip off of Tabitha. Sadly, nothing came out of that (I think he used it once), despite the focus on it. I had hoped that somehow Bruce would end up with it, and then gift it to the Batman character notorious for using one: Selina. I thought that wouldve been a great way to give Selina her characters classic weapon of choice. Though, again, doesnt appear that way. But who knows, maybe Bruce somehow has it and will give it to her later...

CyberCubed

05-31-2016, 05:36 PM

IGN gave season 2 a 6.9.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/31/gotham-season-2-review

MikeandRaph87

05-31-2016, 06:01 PM

The countdown sequence was cliché. I knew it was going to be stopped with one second remaining. It was good it just has to be accepted that this is an alternate take thus not everything will be wedded to what we know. I was surprised when Penguin dropped he was 31. He is not nearly 20 years older than Bruce. He and Riddler are the breakout characters of the show. I know the main focus is on a non look-alike Jim Gordon and a supporting focus on a competent and loyal variant of Harvey Bullock and middle school Bruce. I do feel like Eddie did not have to go down the path yet. It feels like killing his love interest by accident was forced and unnecessary. If it was for a reason of jealousy or she was using him I would get it. Penguin is masterful save that one grotesque dinner he served. Sure the witch deserved it after taking away the father he only knew for a month,but ...:o

Mad Hatter was teased for season 2 and referenced as one of the revived brain dead crooks yet has not been seen. Curious how he will be portrayed.

Raph's Girl

06-09-2016, 09:03 PM

MikeandRaph87

06-09-2016, 09:52 PM

A little old for Bruce. Most of them that are within his age bracket traditionally are older than they should be on this show. Wonder how Vickie Vale will be used.

Redeemer

06-09-2016, 11:26 PM

Storm Eagle

06-10-2016, 02:08 AM

Not cast yet but Vicki Vale is gonna be in Gotham season 3. She's described as "an ambitious young journalist in her late-20s." *face palm* :ohwell:

http://comicbook.com/2016/06/10/vicki-vale-to-appear-on-gotham-season-3/

Next thing you know, we'll be seeing Chase Meridian as well.

Wesley

06-14-2016, 11:34 AM

I watched the season 2 finale last night and I thought it was good, though it was a bit anti-climactic. I kinda miss season 1's tone, though, as the show was more grounded back then. Also, I preferred season 1's finale, as there were higher stakes. Nevertheless, 2 was a great season and a big step up from 1. The show is over the top now, but that's partly why I enjoy it.

M.O.D.O.K.

07-02-2016, 11:11 PM

Not cast yet but Vicki Vale is gonna be in Gotham season 3. She's described as "an ambitious young journalist in her late-20s." *face palm* :ohwell:

http://comicbook.com/2016/06/10/vicki-vale-to-appear-on-gotham-season-3/

Technically, that's Vicky's aunt. :P

What is weird is them recasting Ivy with 28-year-old Maggie Gaha and aging up the character to be 19 via Indian Hill patient magic.

Raph's Girl

07-18-2016, 05:54 PM

Walking Dead actor Benedict Samuel has been cast as Jarvis Tetch aka Mad Hatter.

Ok so I knew Mad Hatter would be showing up as Hugo Strange flat out hinted he'd be making him but it seems from the character description that ole Jarvis Tetch isn't part of the Indian Hill program. Jarvis comes to Gotham looking for his sister, Alice, who went missing years ago. So perhaps it was Alice who was in Indian Hill?

http://www.superherohype.com/news/378405-gotham-casts-benedict-samuel-as-mad-hatter#/slide/1

MsMarvelDuckie

07-18-2016, 10:00 PM

No he was there. Strange mentions him specifically, though not by name. and there was an escapee who might have been him on the bus.

Raph's Girl

08-08-2016, 06:07 PM

And introducing Maggie Geha as the grown up (aged thanks to Indian Hill stuff :roll: ) Ivy Pepper/Poison Ivy.

http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/PoisonIvy-600x801.jpg

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/08/08/gotham-releases-image-of-new-poison-ivy/

Snakeweed

08-08-2016, 06:41 PM

Raph's Girl

08-08-2016, 07:20 PM

I could see it. Though I can't tell if the hair is red...

I wonder if this'll be flash forward or something

No. Not a Flash Forward. Apparantly one of the escaped Indian Hill creatures can age people or something. Young Ivy encounters the critter and poof..instant aging and plant powers. :roll:

Snakeweed

08-08-2016, 08:00 PM

No. Not a Flash Forward. Apparantly one of the escaped Indian Hill creatures can age people or something. Young Ivy encounters the critter and poof..instant aging and plant powers. :roll:

Ooh...I'm not sure I like that. I get this is there own universe, but having ivy become 20 something while Bruc me is still only 14 or so...

I don't know :(

Raph's Girl

08-11-2016, 05:52 PM

The Mad Hatter :lol:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/176/275/i02/MadHatter_Gotham.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/30592-first-look-gotham-s-dapper-mad-hatter.html

MsMarvelDuckie

08-11-2016, 06:11 PM

Huh. Looks kind of like the secret love child of Prince and Johnny Depp.

Raph's Girl

08-23-2016, 02:58 PM

Relative unknown Naian Gonzalez Norvind has been cast as Alice Tetch, sister of Jervis Tetch/Mad Hatter. She is the reason he goes to Gotham as she has been missing. Apparantly Alice is a metahuman. Born with some sort of power that the writers aren't revealing yet. Wonder if she's the meta that turns Ivy into an adult?

http://comicbook.com/2016/08/23/naian-gonzalez-norvind-cast-as-mad-hatters-sister-alice-on-gotha/

MikeandRaph87

08-23-2016, 04:36 PM

Black Alice perhaps?

Tetch eont be hung up on a blonde named Alice,but haveva changed motivation.

BubblyShell22

08-23-2016, 05:26 PM

I gave up on Gotham before season 2 ended. It just didn't sit well with me anymore so I'm not going to bother watching season three. I just lost interest.

Redeemer

08-23-2016, 05:31 PM

I gave up on Gotham before season 2 ended. It just didn't sit well with me anymore so I'm not going to bother watching season three. I just lost interest.

thats stinks, bc season 3 will probably be the climax season bc..... The Court of Owls was revealed at the end of season 2 and this will be their first appearance outside of comics.

blindturtle02

08-23-2016, 05:55 PM

Man, I should give this one a chance even though adult Bruce/Batman isn't in it. I didn't care much for Smallville, so I don't know. The number of rogues has me considering it.

Raph's Girl

08-23-2016, 06:50 PM

Man, I should give this one a chance even though adult Bruce/Batman isn't in it. I didn't care much for Smallville, so I don't know. The number of rogues has me considering it.

Penguin and Riddler are essentially the best things about the show.

MsMarvelDuckie

08-23-2016, 07:12 PM

True but they aren't the only good things about it. Harvey Bullock, Jim, Bruce, and Cat are all great too.

Coola Yagami

08-23-2016, 10:10 PM

I could never get past the concept. 1. If Gordon can take these guys down, we don't need a Batman. 2. All of these guys are gonna need walkers by the time Batman comes along. I always considered Catwoman to be younger or the same age as Bats, not several years older.

MsMarvelDuckie

08-23-2016, 10:21 PM

M.O.D.O.K.

08-24-2016, 02:26 AM

thats stinks, bc season 3 will probably be the climax season bc..... The Court of Owls was revealed at the end of season 2 and this will be their first appearance outside of comics.

They appeared in Batman vs. Robin and were considered for future use in Beware the Batman before it was cancelled.

Redeemer

08-24-2016, 04:13 PM

They appeared in Batman vs. Robin and were considered for future use in Beware the Batman before it was cancelled.

Consider using a character means nothing.....

I did forget about them being Batman vs Robin, but honestly that was not the best adaptation of the characters....

BubblyShell22

08-24-2016, 05:27 PM

Well, I don't care about any of it anymore. I'm done with it and would rather watch wrestling. But I hope you guys enjoy season 3.

blindturtle02

08-25-2016, 09:28 AM

Well, I don't care about any of it anymore. I'm done with it and would rather watch wrestling. But I hope you guys enjoy season 3.

So what pulled ya out of it, Bubbly? Just curious.

Coola Yagami

08-25-2016, 01:57 PM

There are maybe three years age difference between them. This is really a problem? All the rest are early to mid twenties. And Ivy WAS younger in the beginning. No one is really THAT old. Geez, it's like a lot of people think they are all in their forties or something. Bruce is already 13 or 14. Two years have passed.

I'm referring to them all by the time batman himself is early 30s. Do you think everyone is just gonna stop aging to let young Bruce grow up and catch up? And if Gordon is stopping them now, who needs the bat?

MsMarvelDuckie

08-25-2016, 09:05 PM

Of course they won't stop aging. That is ridiculous. But at most the oldest is maybe 15 years older. That's NOT "ancient/old" by any means. So Penguin might be in his early 40's be the time Bruce dons the cowl. Not an issue. Cat is only about two-three years his senior. That is hardly a huge age difference. It's the difference between a freshman and a senior in high school. Ivy aging up (if true) might make her less of a "romantic interest", but given her powers she could actually age slower once they kick in. (Some plants have anti-aging compounds in them.) Riddler will be late 30's once Bruce grows up. Again, not a major issue. Yeah they are older, but once he becones an adult, the difference is far less important. Most of his villains are not really physical fighter types anyway. A decade or so doesn't make that much of a difference.

BubblyShell22

08-26-2016, 01:49 PM

So what pulled ya out of it, Bubbly? Just curious.

It just got too weird for me and I just got tired of it so I stopped watching. I don't like Dr. Strange so that was a big part of it too.

Raph's Girl

08-26-2016, 08:54 PM

It just got too weird for me and I just got tired of it so I stopped watching. I don't like Dr. Strange so that was a big part of it too.

Aww but I liked Hugo Strange in this!! He was so creepy and so was that lab assistant of his!

BubblyShell22

08-27-2016, 11:47 AM

I'm glad you liked it and he played his part well. It just wasn't for me.

MikeandRaph87

11-05-2016, 01:55 PM

originally posted by : Autbot_Benz Season 3 is hit and miss I love how they did Mad Hatter though

I agree. Mad Hatter was an obsessively overprotective old brother to a woman named Alice, who had a strange blood disease. It is a different take. I am on the fence about it. At least it keeps from the trafficking of adolescent women creepy angle suggested in Robin: Year One.

What direction are they going with Chief Barnes(Chiklis)?

Do you find it weird that Leslie(Lee) Thompkins is the main love of Jim Gordon? I keep thinking she is supposed to be with Alfred especially since they act as surrogate father and mother to Bruce.

Also, aging Poison Ivy like that? I don't get how that works.

I do think the chemistry between Bruce and Selina works really well and its cute. However, I question why Alfred and the GCPD allow her to roam the streets as a minor.

MikeandRaph87

11-08-2016, 09:42 AM

I don't get it as far as Alice Tetch's blood disease and how it makes people angry with a single drop contacting one. Barnes is just a placeholder of a character between Loeb and Gordon. Something occurred to me and it actually was shared with a blog writer of The Judge(albit as an actual unique character opposed to an alias of an established character) coming to Gotham.
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1582470/

cammy85

11-08-2016, 10:17 AM

I keep thinking Barnes is going to turn into Killer Croc at some point. But the Batman mythos says otherwise. Only time will tell!!

MikeandRaph87

11-08-2016, 12:08 PM

I keep thinking Barnes is going to turn into Killer Croc at some point. But the Batman mythos says otherwise. Only time will tell!!

Look at how they changed Mad Hatter around. Aside from Mr. Freeze they are not staying true to any of the origins. That being said anything is possible. Killer Croc? Nah. Seeing the by the book cop go bad when its a spell as his downfall? I don't know if I care for that. Time will tell.

Autbot_Benz

03-02-2017, 12:34 PM

Ra's Al Ghul is coming to gotham played by a different actor than Matt Nable from the CW shows

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/03/02/breaking-news-ras-al-ghul-is-coming-to-gotham?sf59707779=1

MikeandRaph87

03-02-2017, 01:04 PM

Ra's Al Ghul is coming to gotham played by a different actor than Matt Nable from the CW shows

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/03/02/breaking-news-ras-al-ghul-is-coming-to-gotham?sf59707779=1

So Ra's is behind the Court of The Owls? I dismiss the owls as New 52 crap, but Ra's as the mysterious faction's leader instead of heading up the League of Assassins? I am intrigued.

Raph's Girl

03-02-2017, 01:55 PM

Ra's Al Ghul is coming to gotham played by a different actor than Matt Nable from the CW shows

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/03/02/breaking-news-ras-al-ghul-is-coming-to-gotham?sf59707779=1

With Alexander Siddig playing him we FINALLY have somebody of Arab descent in the role!! :D

Autbot_Benz

03-02-2017, 02:13 PM

Ra's shouldn't be in gotham Bruce is still only like 16. This show has finally gone into No ****s given territory. Stop trying to cram in every Rouge from Batman while Bruce is a child

cammy85

03-03-2017, 10:16 AM

Ra's is immortal so that's probably why he's here. But yeah, this show has crossed the point of no return.

MikeandRaph87

04-24-2017, 08:46 PM

The recap popped up just after the episode finished. Thoughts on The Riddler now that he is official? Its been a two and two-thirds season build up.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/gotham-recap-prescription-riddlin-apos-010018043.html

Autbot_Benz

04-24-2017, 11:35 PM

People still watch this? Gotham is a Cluster**** of a show I gave up mid season 3 Supergirl is more worth it to watch. This show needs to be canned.

MsMarvelDuckie

04-25-2017, 08:56 AM

So much hate. Personally I am enjoying the ride! About time Nygma went full-Riddler. Bruce may still be young but everyone tends to forget he had to start somewhere- as did his villains! And with him currently prisoner of the Court of Owls FAR from Gotham, it looks like Eddie and all the other once and future Arkham residents are going to have a field day. At least until Bruce finally dons the cowl. Which may be sooner than we think. Glad Penggie is alive and wwas excited to see Ivy again. People really should just relax and have fun with this show. Its just so full of surprises and interesting character takes.

TurtleTitan97

04-25-2017, 09:26 AM

People really should just relax and have fun with this show. Its just so full of surprises and interesting character takes.

To each their own. But from the episodes I saw and from what I read/been told happens later on in the show regarding the characters, it sounds like bad fan fiction to me. Plus I simply hate the concept of Superhero prequel TV shows.

I still wish we got an actual adaptation of Gotham Central. At least there you can have as many Batman villains as you want appear on the show without Batman himself making a full appearance considering he made minor cameos in the comic of the same name.

MsMarvelDuckie

04-25-2017, 03:15 PM

Hmm. Fan fiction? Maybe. BAD fan fiction? Not really. Thing is, everything that has happened has been leading Bruce and Jim along their paths later on. And it all makes sense and fits the version of Bruce's world they have built. Sure the show has had a few missteps, but no more than any of the CW DC shows.

Andrew NDB

04-25-2017, 03:28 PM

There's a few villains that wouldn't be the worst thing in a show like Gotham with Lil Bruce:

* Ra's al Ghul (he's Immortal, why not?)
* Mr. Freeze (he's an old guy)
* Penguin (he's older)

Nobody else belongs on the show. Not without a big time lapse.

It should've either been Young Gordon on the GCPD doing good, knocking down the old crimelords with the sparing, super sparing use of any Batman villains OR modern day Gordon on the GCPD doing good, with an occasional Batman appearance or at least influence.

And no, this is nothing like Smallville (though that's poo too). It would be, if Smallville was about Little Clark attending Smallville Elementary while, like, Maggie Sawyer over in Metropolis contends with the rise of Doomsday, Brainiac, Mongul and Lex Luthor.

MsMarvelDuckie

04-25-2017, 04:40 PM

Who said it was like Smallville? I was talking about the current shows. They ALL have had their ups and downs.

As for "little Bruce" he's already aged five years on the show, and is training for his future goals (Alfred helping him without knowing exactly WHAT he's helping Bruce FOR....). So it's interesting to see how both Bruce and some of his villains are growing and evolving. Especially Oswald and Edward. Those two (and previously Fish whom I LOVED) have been the main focus, but it's been fun to see others pop up and begin their journeys too.

MikeandRaph87

05-08-2017, 08:02 PM

Okay so I am pretty annoyed at this...Gotham pulled a Batamn Returns on Catwoman.:trolleye:

Also, those owl mask look stupid.

MsMarvelDuckie

05-09-2017, 05:25 AM

MikeandRaph87

05-09-2017, 08:04 AM

Dagnabbit I missed most of last night's episode because our tv reception went wonky right as it was starting and we ended up losing the signal on our anntenna. Could NOT get it back and lost the channel entirely! So, no Lucifer last night either. All I know was Oswald and Ivy went to find Friese(how is he alive again? I forget?) and gave him back his suit. That was as much as I could make out before we lost it completely.

This should cover it all.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/apos-gotham-apos-recap-apos-010014148.html

Still not happy about Catwoman.

Why are they pronouncing Fries like French Fries? It is spelled the same way but its pronounced like his codename 'freeze'.

Storm Eagle

05-09-2017, 08:09 AM

Okay so I am pretty annoyed at this...Gotham pulled a Batamn Returns on Catwoman.:trolleye:

Yeah I totally saw that coming.

Autbot_Benz

05-11-2017, 09:34 PM

Gotham is getting a 4th season

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/gotham/gotham-fox-officially-renews-their-batman-prequel-series-for-a-fourth-season-a151016

Storm Eagle

05-11-2017, 10:00 PM

Gotham is getting a 4th season

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/gotham/gotham-fox-officially-renews-their-batman-prequel-series-for-a-fourth-season-a151016

I figured it would.

Autbot_Benz

05-11-2017, 10:09 PM

I figured it would.

kinda surprises me because Gotham is considered the bastard stepchild of the DCTV :lol:

sdp

05-14-2017, 12:03 AM

The more seasons Gotham gets the more villains we'll get and the more it'll distance itself from any normal Batman continuity, we all knew this going in.

Bruce just wasn't needed in this series, it could've been done without him and that way it wouldn't have mattered as much.

MsMarvelDuckie

05-14-2017, 04:13 PM

Yes he is needed. He is part of everything that happens. Whether it was Gordon promising to find his parent's killer or meeting Selina or even his dad's digging into the Court of Owls- Bruce is a piece of the puzzle. An important one. Even more so now with the Clone taking his place while he is off in- wherever he is. And Penguin and Ivy getting cozy.

sdp

05-14-2017, 04:35 PM

Of course he's needed now because they've written him into the show but if they had set up the show as "Gotham" when Bruce Wayne was out and about training to eventually become Batman so in his early 20s then they could've had a show where it didn't matter if they introduced villains since it could've still made sense, instead we have adult rogues when Bruce is a kid.

I've only watched the first season and I enjoyed it a lot, so I'm not complaining a lot but they really run down to the same problems Smallville had. It's what we want to see but by doing it its making the continuity be wildly different from what we expect.

MsMarvelDuckie

05-14-2017, 04:46 PM

Not really. Most of them are in their early twenties to early thirties in the series. Ivy and Selina were both very close to Bruce's age. (Ivy was aged by one of the freaks Strange was experimenting on) and Jerome/Joker is pretty young as well. Most of them are within about fifteen years of Bruce and he HAS been getting older as the series progresses so it is not like he's still 10 while all this is going on. He's five years older in universe now. And is already starting down his eventual road to Batdom.

MikeandRaph87

05-15-2017, 10:07 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/m/3d50eb13-5bcb-366a-91e9-ba27ee4343f7/ss_fox-reveals-fall-schedule%3A.html

Gotham moves to Thursday at 8pm from its Mondays at 8pm time slot. I would have thought Mondays would be better for its ratings personally.

MsMarvelDuckie

05-15-2017, 02:43 PM

When is this happening? I liked it on Mindays with Lucifer. It makes more sense.

Raph's Girl

05-15-2017, 03:44 PM

When is this happening? I liked it on Mindays with Lucifer. It makes more sense.

Probably in September. It's Monday timeslot is being filled in with The Gifted. The X-Men are kicking Batman to Thursdays...

MikeandRaph87

07-29-2017, 04:32 PM

New details of what to expect at the start of season 4.
Solomon Grundy's mind is a blank slate and cannot remember he does not trust The Riddler and they work with Leslie Tompkins. The only way I can see this is Ed going to Leslie to recover from his cryogenic state and Hitch sees her as a healer. Maybe this could start her clinc for anyone hero, villain, rich, or poor? I also am curious of what would happen when he sees Tabitha. Maybe the trigger to his memories?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/villains-team-unexpected-ways-gotham-095905945.html

Also, the Fall premise is set for September 21st.

Storm Eagle

07-29-2017, 08:33 PM

sdp

08-26-2017, 04:21 PM

Just finished season 2 and what a ride. I had really enjoyed Season 1 unlike most people and as S2 started it was just a weaker and less interesting in every aspect when compared to the previous season but it found its footing and went a different way from S1 as well.

It did have its ups and downs and I don't even want to think about how all these characters know each other and have such complex relationships before Batman is even a thing but if we ignore the effects of all these changes then it has been a very fun ride.

MsMarvelDuckie

08-26-2017, 06:02 PM

I'm anxious for the new season to star, as well. The end of last season was a bit of a shocker in some ways. I can certainly see how Bruce is developing into "the Bat", which is really cool. Ivy (I honestly don't know why they didn't name her Pamela, but whatever) and Cat are beginning to show their future selves a bit as well. Love Ed so far, and Oswald, of course. He is my main reason for watching, I think! Funnily enough, I'm not really as interested in Jim any more, as I am the others.

Autbot_Benz

08-27-2017, 04:33 PM

here is bruce in his bat boy costume man this gets stupider every season. so glad i gave up on it for supergirl

http://i.imgur.com/EN0bjAz.jpg

DestronMirage22

08-27-2017, 10:46 PM

here is bruce in his bat boy costume man this gets stupider every season. so glad i gave up on it for supergirl

http://i.imgur.com/EN0bjAz.jpg

BWA-HAHA-HAA!!! :lol::lol::lol:
LOL That suit looks RIDICULOUS!
Geez, I never thought this show would ever get any more idiotic, but I guess they keep finding ways.

So glad I didn't waste any more time with it.

Ninjinister

08-28-2017, 12:56 AM

It's like Kick-Ass cosplaying Big Daddy.

Wesley

09-04-2017, 11:33 AM

I finished watching season 3 and thought it was great. An improvement over season 2, even though it got very weird at times and some stuff was rehashed. It was interesting to see Jim Gordon being pushed to his limits throughout the season and most of the villains were as always fun to watch. Didn't care much for the Court of Owls storyline (it was dragged out). The show's a bit of a guilty pleasure, but enjoyable if you don't take it too seriously.

MikeandRaph87

09-04-2017, 11:47 AM

BWA-HAHA-HAA!!! :lol::lol::lol:
LOL That suit looks RIDICULOUS!
Geez, I never thought this show would ever get any more idiotic, but I guess they keep finding ways.

So glad I didn't waste any more time with it.

It reminds me of the Red Robin costume.

Gotham is the show you love to hate for all its divergence from the comics, not improving anything, and things that me you rage (Penguin gay for Riddler,hyperaging of Poison Ivy, the point of made for show Galavan's revenge was silly,and the list goes on) yet you still watch itf.

sdp

09-10-2017, 11:07 PM

Didn't intend on watching it but they added S3 of Gotham so I went ahead and watched it and what a mess. I really liked the first season and don't understand why people disliked it. The second went a little bit crazy but it was fun enough that I didn't care. Here they continued with the crazy but without the fun.

I just don't understand why they went full superpowers and villains, even great characters like Nygma and Penguin seem like a shadow of their former selves. Aging Ivy was such a dumb move since they did nothing with her, Bruce who had been alright was as annoying as he's ever been. The court of owls became such a joke so early on. I don't see how they can save the show after this season.

Selina is a character that really feels like she has aged over the years, how long is it supposed to have been since Bruce's parents got killed? 3 or more? Selina also got her Catwoman powers like in the catwoman film and Batman Returns, I guess that makes it as canon as her non powered origins. Though I guess here they didn't show she actually got any powers.

here is bruce in his bat boy costume man this gets stupider every season. so glad i gave up on it for supergirl

http://i.imgur.com/EN0bjAz.jpg

I'm not sure supergirl is the show you want to use to make any point regarding stupid decisions.

Masked young Bruce is straight out of the silver age levels of silly though.

MsMarvelDuckie

09-10-2017, 11:25 PM

I really like the show. Yeah his suit looks a little weird but I see it as he is still trying to find himself. He is certainly headed in the right direction, but he's still not there yet. I have no problem with the Oswald/Edward thing, as it makes for some really interesting dynamics between the two. Aging Ivy seemed like an odd move- ubtil you realize that she has completely taken advantage of it. I expect her to end up as another of Hugo's freaks at some point, and gain her plant abilities(and probably stop aging altogether).

shuriken

09-10-2017, 11:32 PM

here is bruce in his bat boy costume man this gets stupider every season. so glad i gave up on it for supergirl

http://i.imgur.com/EN0bjAz.jpg

that is just...
Looks more like gimp boy. Glad I only watched two episodes before deciding I didn't care.

Storm Eagle

09-10-2017, 11:49 PM

that is just...
Looks more like gimp boy. Glad I only watched two episodes before deciding I didn't care.

So what brought you back here?

DWC

09-11-2017, 02:38 PM

Personally I really enjoyed season 3. I binged it a couple of months ago and thought it was great. Loved Penguin, the Riddler, the Court of Owls and the Executioner.

Apparently season 4 will adapt the Long Halloween and Year One. Sounds great.

DestronMirage22

09-11-2017, 02:44 PM

Apparently season 4 will adapt the Long Halloween and Year One.

The Long Halloween's one of my favorite Batman stories of all time. I just know they'll screw it up. :x

DWC

09-11-2017, 02:58 PM

The Long Halloween's one of my favorite Batman stories of all time. I just know they'll screw it up. :x

Lol yeah they probably will. It's a great story.

I don't get the hatred for Gotham here, though. Yeah it is silly in places but it is a comic book series. Seasons 2 and 3 were very entertaining I found. Also, apparently Scarecrow will be a major villain in season 4.

Autbot_Benz

09-11-2017, 04:14 PM

Lol yeah they probably will. It's a great story.

I don't get the hatred for Gotham here, though. Yeah it is silly in places but it is a comic book series. Seasons 2 and 3 were very entertaining I found. Also, apparently Scarecrow will be a major villain in season 4.

Hardcore Batman fans hate gotham cause they kinda screw with the Batman Mythos.

DWC

09-11-2017, 08:31 PM

Hardcore Batman fans hate gotham cause they kinda screw with the Batman Mythos.

True, but it's still enjoyable if you view it as sort of an elseworlds story rather than real Batman.

I consider myself a fairly big Batman fan but I enjoy the series. I am easily pleased though with tv and film generally.

Raph's Girl

09-15-2017, 12:01 AM

Hardcore Batman fans hate gotham cause they kinda screw with the Batman Mythos.

I just think of it as an alternate timeline in the multi-verse.

Andrew NDB

09-15-2017, 12:04 AM

I just think of it a waste of 45 minutes where I could be watching something worth watching. Or watching paint dry. Or seeing how long I can hold my breath underwater.

Storm Eagle

09-15-2017, 01:13 AM

So where on the doll did Gotham touch you people?

Andrew NDB

09-15-2017, 01:30 AM

What Gotham could have been:

A) A prequel with a younger Gordon and the GCPD doing procedural type stuff around Gotham, dealing with increasingly crazed criminals. There could be a smattering of Batman villains where it would be understandable, like Cobblepot, sure, but mostly a lot of the warring mafias. Wayne Enterprises, Lucius Fox, etc. could figure into things in varying but limited degrees, but keeping things focused on Gordon. His coming up in the ranks, against insurmountable gangsters and police corruption. Him earning his rep, sort of Untouchables-style. This wouldn't be about Batman's rogue's galleries before there was even a Batman.

B) An older Gordon/GCPD show taking place in the present WITH Batman already operating. Basically, Gotham has already gone to hell in a handbasket, so the show is kind of "day in the life" of Gordon dealing with both regular criminals and some of Batman's rogue's gallery. Batman could cameo at times, or only ever be in the shadows... or not show up at all. This would be a street level counterpoint to the larger-than-life stuff that Batman is actively doing out there and/or a show dealing with the fallout of that.

C) Young Bruce: The Show, basically. Series premiere, we watch his parents get murdered. Now the aftermath. Let's follow him around the world, watching him blow all of his money training under the best masters, falling hard at times, succeeding at others, but always learning. Every season could be a different country, a different lesson or set of lessons. "Kung-Fu" style, almost. Cast an actor around 13, so every season he noticeably grows up as we're watching. Series finale: putting on the costume in the Batcave.

Any three of those options I could have gotten behind 200% and could have been great. I don't even think the budget would be drastically different in any of them. But alas... Smallville 2.0 was what they wanted.

Storm Eagle

02-02-2018, 08:19 PM

A five-minute sneak peek of what's to come in the current season called "A Dark Knight: Sneak Peek" will air tomorrow on February 3rd at 11:55pm.

http://thefutoncritic.com/listings/20180131fox02/

MikeandRaph87

02-02-2018, 08:47 PM

A five-minute sneak peek of what's to come in the current season called "A Dark Knight: Sneak Peek" will air tomorrow on February 3rd at 11:55pm.

http://thefutoncritic.com/listings/20180131fox02/

When does season 4 resume?
What is the deal of Bruce Wayne going into a party boy donkey? It just happened no plot transition.

Storm Eagle

02-02-2018, 08:54 PM

When does season 4 resume?

March 1st. It says so in the link.

MikeandRaph87

02-02-2018, 08:59 PM

Okay. It also listed previous reoccurring cast. Sarah Essen has appeared? Also Crispus Allen? I don't remember them. Was it the first season which I largely did not watch?

LeotheLateBloomer

02-03-2018, 08:05 AM

Hardcore Batman fans hate gotham cause they kinda screw with the Batman Mythos.

There's a youtuber called Knightwing01 who's the biggest example of this.

Storm Eagle

02-03-2018, 08:58 AM

There's a youtuber called Knightwing01 who's the biggest example of this.

Ah phooey. Just let the rest of us enjoy it.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-03-2018, 07:43 PM

Candy Kappa

02-08-2018, 04:16 PM

Season three has been pretty fun. I've really warmed up to Jerome as proto-Joker, the actor is so much fun and does a cool mix of previous Jokers.

I do hope we'll get a Batman season eventually when Bruce is old enough, or the actor can pass as old enough and not be cockteased like Smallville did, but I doubt it

MikeandRaph87

04-18-2018, 05:30 PM

http://comicbook.com/dc/amp/2018/04/17/gotham-season-5-reboot-story-no-mans-land/

Gotham in attempt to avoid cancellation is rebooting its continuity with a take on No Man's Land. How this will work especially if there is a season 5 is my question.

CyberCubed

04-18-2018, 05:38 PM

LOL, so it's avoiding cancelation with a reboot in the same series as a Season 5? What the? It baffles me this show has survived this long.

Andrew NDB

04-18-2018, 05:40 PM

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ThisNimbleFunnelweaverspider-size_restricted.gif

Autbot_Benz

04-18-2018, 05:49 PM

This show like Arrow should have been cancelled a long time ago.

CyberCubed

04-18-2018, 05:52 PM

With Disney buying Fox, this show will almost definitely end with Season 5 if it goes on one more year.

Storm Eagle

04-18-2018, 07:08 PM

Way to bitch about a show you don't even watch.

That stuff about a half-assed reboot does make me wonder though. I almost want to say that I'd rather they just discontinue the whole show, but the idea might surprise me if actually carried out.

MsMarvelDuckie

04-19-2018, 09:50 AM

O haven't heard anything about a reboot, but I've been watching it and still find it quite enjoyable. Bruce is starting to win me back now that reality slapped him upside the head, and I am loving the various powerplays of the villains. Especially Penguin and Nygma, Jerome, and the ladies.

MikeandRaph87

04-29-2018, 08:21 PM

Is it just me or does The Riddler have shades of Two Face in him? Also, how he is centered around needing a woman. Ah, well. Who know what this "reboot" will do?
The clip is a good example of what I mean.

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MikeandRaph87

05-12-2018, 08:16 AM

Storm Eagle

05-12-2018, 10:15 AM

It appears Lethal Weapon being forced to replace a lead is going to allow Gotham to continue.

https://www.cbr.com/gotham-fate-hinges-on-lethal-weapon-fox/amp/

It looks like Fox is cancel happy, removing more than half of its shows, one I found interesting.

That's just convoluted as hell.

I personally don't make a big deal about my shows being discontinued as long as they get to end with a finale that can pass as a series finale. That being said, after seeing the latest Gotham episode, I hope it doesn't get cancelled, since I'm not sure the season finale next week will end on a suitable note.

MikeandRaph87

05-12-2018, 10:21 AM

That's just convoluted as hell.

I personally don't make a big deal about my shows being discontinued as long as they get to end with a finale that can pass as a series finale. That being said, after seeing the latest Gotham episode, I hope it doesn't get cancelled, since I'm not sure the season finale next week will end on a suitable note.

I feel the same about Last Man on Earth. An army appeared from a bunker and surrounded Will Forte's posse and that ends the series? Frustrating!

Its almost like series have to do what Justice League did and have every season finale act as a possible series finale.

cammy85

05-12-2018, 10:54 AM

This article (http://www.comicbook.com/dc/2018/05/12/gotham-season-five-renewal-lethal-weapon/) better explains the Gotham/Lethal Weapon situation. If you an even call it that.

Storm Eagle

05-12-2018, 11:25 AM

I feel the same about Last Man on Earth. An army appeared from a bunker and surrounded Will Forte's posse and that ends the series? Frustrating!

Its almost like series have to do what Justice League did and have every season finale act as a possible series finale.

Then they might as well just follow JL's example.

Anyway, we'll find out Gotham's fate on Monday at the latest, which is when Fox announces their fall schedule. Gotham is the only show that I've been watching of which we still don't know the fate. Everything else has been renewed but Inhumans, which I kind of suspected would get canceled.

This article (http://www.comicbook.com/dc/2018/05/12/gotham-season-five-renewal-lethal-weapon/) better explains the Gotham/Lethal Weapon situation. If you an even call it that.

I guess it does.

MikeandRaph87

05-13-2018, 04:11 PM

It looks like Lethal Weapon found a replacement in the 11th hour, but Gotham is not cancelled...yet.

http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/05/13/gotham-season-5-fate-in-limbo-leathal-weapon-renewed/

Storm Eagle

05-13-2018, 04:24 PM

It looks like Lethal Weapon found a replacement in the 11th hour, but Gotham is not cancelled...yet.

http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/05/13/gotham-season-5-fate-in-limbo-leathal-weapon-renewed/

A possible 13-episode order for Gotham. I thought they might do something like that. Like, they'd renew it, but just wouldn't start the fifth season until early 2019, and it would have a short episode count like the article says. Then maybe it would be the final season ever.

So we find out at 4pm about Gotham's fate, as well as Fox's fall schedule plans. I'll be so jittery at work with my phone tomorrow until then.

MikeandRaph87

05-13-2018, 07:31 PM

A possible 13-episode order for Gotham. I thought they might do something like that. Like, they'd renew it, but just wouldn't start the fifth season until early 2019, and it would have a short episode count like the article says. Then maybe it would be the final season ever.

So we find out at 4pm about Gotham's fate, as well as Fox's fall schedule plans. I'll be so jittery at work with my phone tomorrow until then.

You don't have to wait Storm Eagle as it has been renewed and the 5th season will be its final season.
http://deadline.com/2018/05/gotham-renewed-fifth-final-season-fox-new-superhero-1202384012/

It also appears to be a midseason start on Thursdays and will be shortened to a 13 episode order opposed to the usual 22 as speculations suggested from the last day or so. It is good to know ahead of time, its the final 13 so the show can wrap up its zany plots and not get too carried away.

Now, if only Last Man on Earth can get some sort of deal like that outside of Fox.

MsMarvelDuckie

05-13-2018, 10:00 PM

So Gotham is getting another season, but Lucifer can't? WTF??!! I love them both, don't get me wrong, but I have really been hoping to get at least ONE more season of Lucifer. What can I say- I am in LOVE with the devil!!!

Ninjinister

05-13-2018, 10:07 PM

Storm Eagle

05-13-2018, 11:09 PM

You don't have to wait Storm Eagle as it has been renewed and the 5th season will be its final season.
http://deadline.com/2018/05/gotham-renewed-fifth-final-season-fox-new-superhero-1202384012/

It also appears to be a midseason start on Thursdays and will be shortened to a 13 episode order opposed to the usual 22 as speculations suggested from the last day or so. It is good to know ahead of time, its the final 13 so the show can wrap up its zany plots and not get too carried away.

Now, if only Last Man on Earth can get some sort of deal like that outside of Fox.

Yeah I saw this news somewhere else. I'm glad. Plus it's going to be the final season like I figured. Anyway, I'm still looking forward to seeing what Fox's new schedule will actually be like, and where Gotham stands in it.

So with this, I now know where all of my shows stand. Everything I've been watching has gotten renewed, with the exception of The Inhumans. I'm actually fine with that anyway, since I figured after some time, that it was a goner. I knew Gotham had a better chance of getting renewed.

Andrew NDB

05-14-2018, 12:25 AM

Hah! So all the people waiting with bated breath for season 13 to show Bruce suit up as Batman did so for nothing. I knew it.

Xav

05-14-2018, 11:53 PM

Not for nothing. We still get to see him become Batman, just a lot earlier then we thought,

Storm Eagle

05-15-2018, 12:04 AM

Now that Fox's fall plans are out, we know that Gotham is mid-season like I thought it might be.

oldmanwinters

05-15-2018, 01:10 AM

Hah! So all the people waiting with bated breath for season 13 to show Bruce suit up as Batman did so for nothing. I knew it.

Well, to be fair, they haven't actually waited out 13 seasons. You're thinking of the Smallville faithful.

I think it's definitely time to bring the show to a close. It's been interesting, but also frustrating for Bat-fans in that it seems like Batman is a nonessential element to the craziness of the city, whereas traditionally Batman fights to topple the corruption and then unleashes the anarchy and escalation by his very presence (arguably).

MikeandRaph87

05-17-2018, 07:01 PM

MikeandRaph87

05-17-2018, 08:48 PM

So Gotham undid Solomon Grundy only for Penguin to kill him to get back at Tabitha for her brother killing his mother. I was thinking, " Penguin never does anything without motive, Butch.". Penfuin did not disappoint in that, but the fact Penguin did that disappointed me. Hugo Strange will bring him back though.YOUTUBE]MH36zMuE42c[/YOUTUBE]

Storm Eagle

05-17-2018, 09:27 PM

https://www.cbr.com/gotham-season-5-orphan-scarface-ventriloquist-lady-shiva/amp/

Details of the final 13 have been released. It includes Lady Shiva and daughter Cassandra and Scarface and Ventriloquist appearing.

Might we have seen any of them at the end?

YOUTUBE]MH36zMuE42c[/YOUTUBE]

You didn't post the entire link.

Anyway, tonight's finale was just, damn. It sucks that we have to wait until next year just to see what happens next.

Also, f*ck Barbara Keane. And not in the good way.

Today, however, is Erin Richards' birthday.