David Ayer and Margot Robbie helming all female villian DC movie

[Leo656]

Sometimes I just post random rap lyrics or George Carlin quotes in case anyone who wasn't paying attention or just showed up yesterday can not pretend they were ever taken by surprise.

"What?! I thought this guy was well-adjusted! That's what I signed up for when I decided to follow him on Facebook!" said no one ever. I don't want to ever give anyone the wrong impression, not even a little bit.

[Andrew NDB]

Exactly. Hollywood groupthink is fascinating in some ways. It's a gated community physically and intellectually in ways that probably rival North Korea.

Gervais had it right about his response to the whole, "Well as comedians we can't do this and this and this now, because we'll get in trouble." To paraphrase him, you CAN and you should, but most importantly we need to stop caring about the little voices saying, "No! No! Insensitive!" etc.. Because giving those little voices credence is what got us into this mess to begin with.

Stop humoring them! Enough.

[ZariusTwo]

Birds of Prey Fans and Punisher Creator Gerry Conway Blame Film’s Poor Opening on Men and Misogyny (https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/02/10/birds-of-prey-fans-and-punisher-creator-gerry-conway-blame-films-poor-opening-on-men-and-misogyny/)

Remember the days where Gerry Conway literally wrote the book on 'fridging' women? Because I do.

[Leo656]

I cannot fathom that the guy who created The Punisher might have a loose wire. Color me shocked.

The fact that he hates his own dick so much is a bit of a surprise, however. Wasn't quite expecting that.

[MikeandRaph87]

I cannot fathom that the guy who created The Punisher might have a loose wire. Color me shocked.

The fact that he hates his own dick so much is a bit of a surprise, however. Wasn't quite expecting that.

This is the same guy who killed Gwen Stacey because there was nowhere to go with the character. That is why it surprises me.

[Sumac]

Maybe he wants attention or has become senile.

[AquaParade]

Your views can certainly change as you get older. And I never underestimate the power of group-think or community influence on a person, as others have already pointed out.

I think it was here somewhere that I talked about negative information a bit. This is a perfect example of this, when these people take these positions. Remember - negative information, like a photograph negative, is not "bad information", but rather information that you don't easily see - the opposite of positive information or that which is basically "in your face".

My point?

These fools must not realize that they are calling the entire world misogynists. Because if the movie didn't make any money, that means that no one went to see it. But these f'n fools don't recognize the number of people that didn't see the movie, instead the only recognize those that did in their bias.

If these people had any real brains, in situations like these they would be asking the whole world "why didn't you see it?" instead of confirming anything with the people that did see it.

Interesting and well said.

[MikeandRaph87]

I did not know that Denise from Full House was Black Canary . She looks nothing like Dinah Lance and I had no idea she did anything else aside from the failed sitcom airing the same time as Full House's last season and Jack as a child actor.

I had two work colleagues arguing about whether Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz were gay together or not and ask me about any relationships that either had in the comics. It just proves this movie was not made for old school comic book fans like myself.

[Autbot_Benz]

So apparently in this movie Black Mask owns Dinah professionally and she is too scared to leave . This gets my piss to a boil because anyone who knows the REAL Dinah she would kick the **** out of any guy who tried to own her. she is trained by wildcat and is supposed to be street smart.

Also this editorial claims the real villain of BOP is not Black Mask but Toxic Masculinity and misogyny

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/02/18/harley-quinn-birds-of-prey-black-mask-villain-misogyny/

[IMJ]

So apparently in this movie Black Mask owns Dinah professionally and she is too scared to leave . This gets my piss to a boil because anyone who knows the REAL Dinah she would kick the **** out of any guy who tried to own her. she is trained by wildcat and is supposed to be street smart.

Also this editorial claims the real villain of BOP is not Black Mask but Toxic Masculinity and misogyny

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/02/18/harley-quinn-birds-of-prey-black-mask-villain-misogyny/

And so rather than Hollywood propping up an already strong female character appropriately to show strength, they instead diminished that character to show misogyny. That sounds exactly like something the brain trust in Hollywood would do.

[Leo656]

I'm even seeing people say that "WB sabotaged the marketing." :lol: WHAT?

Like seriously, one of my friends has been raving all over FB that the movie is a triumph and that it only under-performed because WB sabotaged it on purpose "because misogyny". :lol: Isn't the CEO of WB a woman? And also, they've been teasing it for a full year and the TV ads were constant and unavoidable. Two seconds on Google led me to a Forbes article which is actually titled, "Marketing Is Not To Blame For Birds Of Prey's Box Office", or something to that effect.

I guess people will grasp at any straws they can reach.

Someone on Cracked made a very good joke the other day, something to the effect of, "At least when 'Cats' failed at the box office, they didn't panic and re-title it 'Hey, Taylor Swift Is In This!" three days later." :lol:

Because seriously you guys, the reason this thing flopped is because people somehow didn't get that it was a Harley Quinn movie. :lol: :roll: Seriously! That's the line they're going with! You can't make this sh*t up.

[Sumac]

And so rather than Hollywood propping up an already strong female character appropriately to show strength, they instead diminished that character to show misogyny. That sounds exactly like something the brain trust in Hollywood would do.
It is in the same ballpark as "this movie is not for men", but "this movie failed because men didn't go to see it!!". :roll:

[Andrew NDB]

but "this movie failed because men didn't go to see it!!". :roll:

And we know that more men saw the movie than women. So it's like, after being told repeatedly that the movie isn't for us, that it's for "you" (women)... it ends up you didn't even really show up. Now what, we as males need to see it more than our fair share (50%) to make up for you not going, even though there's nothing in there for us? We did more than our fair share!

You know who also did their fair share?

https://i.ibb.co/QHz9pGd/maxresdefault-1.jpg

He was an executive producer on "Birds of Prey." Credit where it is due!

[AquaParade]

I'm so sick of the male/female culture war going on, and especially how the media fuels it and gets everyone all riled up. All this discussion honestly seems toxic to me.

I'm starting to think completely ignoring it is the only way to make it go away.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm starting to think completely ignoring it is the only way to make it go away.

Most normal women ignore it to begin with, that's why movies and movements like this are failing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm so sick of the male/female culture war going on, and especially how the media fuels it and gets everyone all riled up. All this discussion honestly seems toxic to me.

I'm starting to think completely ignoring it is the only way to make it go away.

I'm not sure ignoring it helps. Unless you're also willing to ignore it with your wallet.

I can talk about how much I hate this movie all I want, but if I go and see it, guess which argument speaks louder to WB/DC? The nerd rants online, or the $10 I put down for a theater seat?

(Which I absolutely didn't do. Because this is a movie I do not want to support at all.)

I think the best way to advance a cause in a movie is to simply do it and not even mention it. Compare the marketing for Wonder Woman (2017) and Captain Marvel. Completely different.

An incredible Birds of Prey movie could have been made. So could a great Batgirl, or Gotham City Sirens, or even a Harley Quinn movie. But we got this, because that's what everybody claims to want and enough people are throwing money at it.

[Andrew NDB]

Most normal women ignore it to begin with, that's why movies and movements like this are failing.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/uJp3vdtHgDvCE/source.gif

[Autbot_Benz]

I'm not sure ignoring it helps. Unless you're also willing to ignore it with your wallet.

I can talk about how much I hate this movie all I want, but if I go and see it, guess which argument speaks louder to WB/DC? The nerd rants online, or the $10 I put down for a theater seat?

(Which I absolutely didn't do. Because this is a movie I do not want to support at all.)

I think the best way to advance a cause in a movie is to simply do it and not even mention it. Compare the marketing for Wonder Woman (2017) and Captain Marvel. Completely different.

An incredible Birds of Prey movie could have been made. So could a great Batgirl, or Gotham City Sirens, or even a Harley Quinn movie. But we got this, because that's what everybody claims to want and enough people are throwing money at it.

Lets just let DC Animated to A Birds of Prey movie it would be better than anything DC can put out

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Lets just let DC Animated to A Birds of Prey movie it would be better than anything DC can put out

I really hate animated.

A lot of people think a movie isn't legit unless it's live-action. Or a franchise/property isn't legit unless it's live-action.

I'm usually one of those people. I enjoyed Batman The Animated Series as a kid, and I've got my comics as an adult, but I want to see Poison Ivy and Jason Todd and Cassandra Cain done justice in live-action. Hell, I'm still waiting to see DICK GRAYSON or Barbara Gordon done justice in live-action. :tgrumble:

[Andrew NDB]

I really hate animated.

A lot of people think a movie isn't legit unless it's live-action. Or a franchise/property isn't legit unless it's live-action.

I'm usually one of those people. I enjoyed Batman The Animated Series as a kid, and I've got my comics as an adult, but I want to see Poison Ivy and Jason Todd and Cassandra Cain done justice in live-action. Hell, I'm still waiting to see DICK GRAYSON or Barbara Gordon done justice in live-action. :tgrumble:

I'm the same way, really. For example, people put "Mask of the Phantasm" into rankings with Batman movies and I'm always the guy sitting here (maybe not aloud) that says, "OK, but that's not a real Batman movie."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm the same way, really. For example, people put "Mask of the Phantasm" into rankings with Batman movies and I'm always the guy sitting here (maybe not aloud) that says, "OK, but that's not a real Batman movie."

Exactly.

I fvcking love Under the Red Hood, but it's not a real Batman movie. It's a cartoon.

[Autbot_Benz]

DC movies needs their own Kevin Feige someone who actually cares about these characters and wants to actually put in the work to bring them on screen perfectly. So sick of these Half Assed DC Movies.

[Andrew NDB]

DC movies needs their own Kevin Feige someone who actually cares about these characters and wants to actually put in the work to bring them on screen perfectly. So sick of these Half Assed DC Movies.

They thought they had him with Geoff Johns. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/uJp3vdtHgDvCE/source.gif

Get woke, go broke.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

DC movies needs their own Kevin Feige someone who actually cares about these characters and wants to actually put in the work to bring them on screen perfectly. So sick of these Half Assed DC Movies.
They thought they had him with Geoff Johns. :lol:

He hasn't even DONE anything.

Seriously, DC/WB need their own cinematic universe guru. Fvck, does Feige have an understudy or something they can hire away from Marvel?

Or maybe assemble a committee of well-received comic teams (Tomasi or Scott Snyder from Batman... I'm not a big enough reader of the other Big 7 heroes to name any creative teams for Wonder Woman or Superman or et al). Put them on a committee, and assign a couple of really good filmmakers to the committee as well.

Come up with a gameplan for each main character / group of characters (Bat family), and then work on translating it to film with the filmmakers.

ANYTHING other than this schizophrenic back-and-forth anything-goes bull$hit.

[Coola Yagami]

He hasn't even DONE anything.

Seriously, DC/WB need their own cinematic universe guru. Fvck, does Feige have an understudy or something they can hire away from Marvel?

Or maybe assemble a committee of well-received comic teams (Tomasi or Scott Snyder from Batman... I'm not a big enough reader of the other Big 7 heroes to name any creative teams for Wonder Woman or Superman or et al). Put them on a committee, and assign a couple of really good filmmakers to the committee as well.

Come up with a gameplan for each main character / group of characters (Bat family), and then work on translating it to film with the filmmakers.

ANYTHING other than this schizophrenic back-and-forth anything-goes bull$hit.

And also stick to your guns and stop backtracking and rewriting just because either the fans complain or because Marvel did so and so and it worked so let's somehow copy that. I mean Joker made big money but you don't see Marvel in a desperate dash to make a character study Norman Osborn movie called Goblin or whatever.

[Andrew NDB]

Snyder plans a "Man of Steel" trilogy. "Man of Steel" comes out, some people are upset that Superman killed someone and kissed Lois in a blast zone.

WB: Oh noes! Forget about the "Man of Steel" trilogy... we need Batman to save things, right now!

Snyder puts out BvS. People don't like a lot of things about it.

WB: Oh noes! You're lucky you already had JL in production or we'd halt it! Eh, you know what? Let's halt it anyway. Get Whedon and have him reshoot 90% of it!

WW comes out. Everybody likes it.

WB: Yay! OK, let's get WW 2 on the way in 10 years.

Suicide Squad comes out. It's very divisive but everyone mostly likes Harley Quinn.

WB: Harley Quinn cinematic universe it is! Let's spend a whole bunch of years discussing what form the next Harley Quinn movie will take and how we can completely remove all sex appeal from it.

JL comes out. Nobody likes it and Superman's lips are creepy.

WB: Oh noes! So much for the DCEU. Well, we still have Harley. I sure hope Aquaman isn't hurt by this!

Aquaman comes out. Everybody mostly likes it and it makes a lot of money.

WB: Yay! OK, let's get Aquaman 2 on the way in 10 years. What's that, Geoff? You want us to do "The Trench," too? OK.

Harley Quinn comes out. Nobody really likes it and it loses a lot of money.

WB: Oh noes! So much for the Harley cinematic universe. Let's do ________


You know what I mean? Just bizarre, kneejerk choices every step of the way.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Snyder plans a "Man of Steel" trilogy. "Man of Steel" comes out, some people are upset that Superman killed someone and kissed Lois in a blast zone.

WB: Oh noes! Forget about the "Man of Steel" trilogy... we need Batman to save things, right now!

Snyder puts out BvS. People don't like a lot of things about it.

WB: Oh noes! You're lucky you already had JL in production or we'd halt it! Eh, you know what? Let's halt it anyway. Get Whedon and have him reshoot 90% of it!

WW comes out. Everybody likes it.

WB: Yay! OK, let's get WW 2 on the way in 10 years.

Suicide Squad comes out. It's very divisive but everyone mostly likes Harley Quinn.

WB: Harley Quinn cinematic universe it is! Let's spend a whole bunch of years discussing what form the next Harley Quinn movie will take and how we can completely remove all sex appeal from it.

JL comes out. Nobody likes it and Superman's lips are creepy.

WB: Oh noes! So much for the DCEU. Well, we still have Harley. I sure hope Aquaman isn't hurt by this!

Aquaman comes out. Everybody mostly likes it and it makes a lot of money.

WB: Yay! OK, let's get Aquaman 2 on the way in 10 years.

Harley Quinn comes out. Nobody really likes it and it loses a lot of money.

WB: Oh noes! So much for the Harley cinematic universe. Let's do ________


You know what I mean? Just bizarre, kneejerk choices every step of the way.

Throw in Shazam! and you've perfectly nailed the last 10 years in the DCEU. :tlol:

[IMJ]

Throw in Shazam! and you've perfectly nailed the last 10 years in the DCEU. :tlol:

If the rest of the DCEU had any kind of successes then when Shazam came out it just would've been that awkward, fun, forgettable flick like Ant-Man.

But instead it's DC's big save. Crazy.

DC has had good casting, bad planning and poor execution. What they need to do is just make a JL 2, call it "Justice League: Crisis" and in the first act wipe out the DCEU Earth and as of the second act keep all of the original cast but transition it to... I dunno... a DC Earth that resembles the comics and use that as the excuse for your brighter Superman with Cavill, a Batman that reaches out to people less with Affleck and then everyone else. The end. fix it that way.

But they won't. It's a disaster and going forward the DCEU will dry up as Wonder Woman and Aquaman run their course, and something-something will happen with Pattman.

[Andrew NDB]

And people really act like if something like "Flashpoint" comes out and makes everything nice and neat again... that WB won't invariably just f*** it all up again in a movie or two, and throw it all out again.

[IMJ]

And people really act like if something like "Flashpoint" comes out and makes everything nice and neat again... that WB won't invariably just f*** it all up again in a movie or two, and throw it all out again.

I agree. At this point, Cavill - a great Superman, first played the character 7 years ago. By now he should've starred in three Superman movies and 2 JL movies along with a few cameos.

But as you pointed out earlier there is all this weird waiting for DC movies, which is crazy because Warner Brothers should be taking Marvel to town with cranking out movies - they've been doing it for 100 years now.

By the time we have a Man of Steel 2 (which won't happen, anyway), Cavill is going to need legit steroids to keep up his size for the role.

Meanwhile we've got that ridiculous Lois and Clark show coming, which I hope no one watches. But they'v got Brandon Routh who was the most popular part of their awful Crisis Crossover and they could be giving him a Superman T.V. show that might've turned out to be one of the most popular iterations of Superman ever.

[Andrew NDB]

I agree. At this point, Cavill - a great Superman, first played the character 7 years ago. By now he should've starred in three Superman movies and 2 JL movies along with a few cameos.

Yep.

But as you pointed out earlier there is all this weird waiting for DC movies, which is crazy because Warner Brothers should be taking Marvel to town with cranking out movies - they've been doing it for 100 years now.

Compare it to Marvel. They announce a movie. It shoots in a year, comes out the year after that and it's generally good. WB, even when they have a hit (WW, AM, Shazam), they don't know what to do. They go into the other kind of panic mode, and probably over-scrutinize everything.

By the time we have a Man of Steel 2 (which won't happen, anyway), Cavill is going to need legit steroids to keep up his size for the role.

I'd still give it... 30% odds, at this point. It wouldn't be called "Man of Steel 2," of course. But just straight up "Superman" (1)? Maybe.

I don't know if Amy Adams is going to make it, though...

https://i.ibb.co/S6QF0Ww/amy-adams-1-t.jpg

But they'v got Brandon Routh who was the most popular part of their awful Crisis Crossover and they could be giving him a Superman T.V. show that might've turned out to be one of the most popular iterations of Superman ever.

Of all the options available (particularly if it's that or "Lois & Supercuck"), yeah, it would've been the soundest... though I don't know how crazy I'd be about seeing Donnerverse: the ongoing series. With wacky Lex, camp, etc..

[Leo656]

The thing is, anyone they'd appoint to be the "overseer" of DC Films or whatever couldn't possibly please everyone, just because of how fractured the general DC fanbase is on a good day.

There's people like me who care mostly about the comics (and very little about anything that is Not The Comics), and care a lot about seeing that material presented faithfully when adapted. But then you also have people who grew up on the cartoons, which don't really have all that much in common with the comics outside of some very superficial veneers, and they insist that the material THEY recognize is what should be the foundation for the films. Some people don't care about fidelity at all and "just want an entertaining film" even if it bears so little resemblance to the source material that it should be called something else entirely. And you even have some people who think everything should be like "Super-Friends" because "It's all just silly kids stuff anyways." Whose vision takes precedence? Which fans' wants and needs should be prioritized? Every "camp" of DC fans has their own opinion on what's "proper" and they generally don't budge on it. So there's simply no way that any one person could successfully run the film brands and make every single fan happy. It's impossible. I feel like it worked with the MCU because a ton of the audience for those films had no preexisting knowledge of affection for those characters until they saw the movies, and the movies were still faithful enough so that people who did know the characters wouldn't be put off by anything that was changed. So all it took was having someone Up Top who kinda knew how all the films would add to and borrow from each other, and then keep all the moving parts moving in the same direction.

DC fans tend to take the material just a little bit more seriously, and they're more prone to throwing a fit when they don't get Exactly What They Want, as we've seen multiple times. That makes the job a lot harder for anyone who'd be given the "overseer" role. If it were as simple as, "Keep it straight and faithful to the comics," well... then MoS and BvS would have done much better business. But while they pretty much didn't include anything that wasn't from the books, albeit some of it in condensed or streamlined fashion to better serve movie storytelling vs. comic book storytelling, they seriously underestimated the pushback they ended up getting for the tone - a completely subjective thing which nonetheless derailed the entire project they'd mapped out. They DID have a plan, and people put in charge specifically to see it executed, but once it wasn't universally praised, they do what WB always does and hit the Panic Button immediately.

The fact is, pretty much the only two guys working in comic book films who've ever even read a comic book, let alone worked on any, are Geoff Johns and Zack Snyder. But those guys have way too much baggage to be given the job of overseeing the entire DC films project, even if they know the material they're adapting like the back of their hands and therefore would be, on paper, the "right people" to do it. So if not someone who actually knows this stuff, then who? Someone who knows nothing at all about the comics but knows how to make decent, "fun", all-ages action movies which would probably end up looking very little like the source material in the end? Again, not sure that's what DC fans, in general, would respond all that well to. See the backlash for BoP and how they ruined any character who wasn't Harley Quinn. People DO care about fidelity, at least sometimes. Again, it seems to be more of an issue with DC fans in general; Marvel fans seem a lot more casual about this kind of thing.

As I've said many times, I don't think that any of the things which worked for the MCU would automatically work for WB/DC. Everything about them is different, including a much more fractured fanbase that's a lot harder to please, and that I think is ultimately the root of the problem, along with the general incompetence of WB. The only way there'd ever be anything close to a cohesive film universe for DC, is if someone was put in charge and told "Do whatever you want, just make this thing work," and then WB actually stepped back and let them do it. But that's not what WB does; as Andrew pointed out, the only thing they know how to do is overreact. They overreact when things go well, they overreact when things go poorly, but it's ALL they ever do. WB would simply never, EVER just let someone map out a solid plan of films and stick to it until the end. It's just not how they do business. They should, but they don't, and I don't think they ever will. Again, too many competing voices, too many camps of fans who have nothing in common yet all demand that their tastes are the only ones that deserve to be catered to.

It's just a really hard job, and the guys with objectively the best skillset for it on paper don't always see eye-to-eye with the fans on what's "proper". That's why they always think they've hit a home run with each of these movies until they read all the caterwauling on the internet after the fact. "But we did everything we were supposed to do!" Boy, if only it were that simple...

[Andrew NDB]

If you asked me who I think would be qualified and be the right man to be the Kevin Feige for DC/WB... jeeze, I really have no idea. If Grant Morrison was maybe 25% more down to Earth with his material I'd say him, but I can't... but I'd still want him in the room with whatever think tank emerges.

He's a little bit older now, but maybe Paul Levitz? He was at the forefront of DC through some of its strongest years before Didio and his goons rolled in, and in the trenches writing great stuff for decades before that. I haven't heard a bad word said about him ever.

[Leo656]

Levitz is a good name to throw in the ring, but again, maybe too much of a comic book purist for some people?

I mean, I know a lot of people who refused to even see Justice League because John Stewart and Hawgirl weren't in it. :roll: I know it's because they grew up watching them in a cartoon show, but seriously; across every single incarnation of the JLA, they've got like ten minutes of active roster membership combined. There's about a dozen characters who "deserve" to be in a Justice League movie before those two C-listers, BUT, a lot of people were pissed anyway because it's what they grew up with, even if it's wrong.

Levitz takes DC canon VERY seriously, so I'm not sure he'd be flexible enough to accommodate the broader fanbase. As I said, that's generally the problem on the DC side. Geoff Johns knows the canon - there's really nothing in the GL movie that isn't hard canon, it's faithful as hell but just tonally a bit of a misfire - but "knowing the canon" doesn't seem to be enough for some people who identify as DC fans. Or Zack with MoS; I can pretty much recite chapter-and-verse what every single frame of that movie was cribbed from, so "fidelity" was not that film's issue, but people apparently wanted brighter colors more than they did a reverent and faithful take on the canon. But who could have guessed that before they got to market with it? They thought making it exactly like the comics was all they had to do, and they did that; then they got yelled at for "problems" that they hadn't even planned on becoming issues.

So Johns is out, Snyder's out... pretty much anyone who KNOWS the DC canon and takes it seriously probably wouldn't be willing to compromise enough to get anything done. Lots of guys would be great for it in theory - What's Mike Carlin up to nowadays? - but in actual practice? Ehhh... Again, which fans do you bend over for, and why, and how far? It's not an easy assignment. I know I, personally, would want a DC "expert" in charge but they've tried that and it didn't work. I know I definitely wouldn't want a neophyte at the helm, but some people claim that's exactly the right approach because then they can just make populist films that are safe and generic blockbusters without being beholden to any source material. I strongly disagree with that, but its certainly some peoples' opinion.

Grant Morrison does way too much acid to ever be Head Guy of anything at all. :lol: But I agree, definitely let him in the Writers' Room. Just take absolutely everything he says with a giant shaker of salt. He's a great ideas guy, but... well, if Final Crisis has shown us anything, historically, it's that some things can be even more divisive to DC fans than Zack Snyder movies. :trazz: And I actually LOVE that whole deal, I will forever maintain that Final Crisis was f*cking brilliant and I'll defend it with my dying breath if need be, but "populist" it most certainly was not.

[MikeandRaph87]

I never understood how Levitz lost his role as the head of DC after about eight years and Dan Didio who is universally hated gets promoted to share the top spot? Paul worked his way up as a writer then as an editor. He knows the characters and even wrote great stories himself. The old guard is getting older and fewer. As much as I would trust Paul I just don't know if at 63 he would do it.

Wouldn't see the movie because John Stewart and Hawkgirl were not in it? Their will they/ won't they was my least favorite part of the Justice League cartoon and I would rather see Hal Jordan. Be grateful that Aquaman did not get the shaft that time around. I also question Cyborg's inclusion, diversity be darned.

[Andrew NDB]

I also question Cyborg's inclusion, diversity be darned.

And it's one thing to include Cyborg... it's another thing to include Cyborg and NO Green Lantern (I don't care if it's John Stewart or not, but the idea of this is preposterous).

[MikeandRaph87]

And it's one thing to include Cyborg... it's another thing to include Cyborg and NO Green Lantern (I don't care if it's John Stewart or not, but the idea of this is preposterous).

I agree. For example in the current Justice League volume it was specifically said that it was what John brought to the table they needed not necessarily Green Lantern. Hal was preoccupied with his mission to stop Mu and Starbreaker's daughter in deep space anyway. Its what is needed in character dynamics and skill sets that go beyond the costume. Martian Manhunter like Barry Allen is bland and not much to him, but his skill set is important for coordinating battle strategies. Victor Stone is okay but I think of him as unneccessary because he would provide what Martian Manhunter and Batman already do. He is a second string Titan. He can serve best in Titans Tower being an information source for Dick Grayson.

[MikeandRaph87]

Anyone else feel that the latest TMNT issue (#103) was inspired by Birds of Prey film? It was like female mutant empowerment with Raphael acting like more a jerk than usual and Hob getting punched out like he should have issues ago. Mike and Leo come out of their funk to look for Klunk (rhythm unintended) but were not thier usual selves. Only male without issue was Donatello, who seems to be suffering from the effects of #44 with his shell aching. It was the worst issue in a good while. Reading it confirmed that Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz as fresh characters in film, its not enough of a draw to get a ticket to this film. It was hard enough reading through a TMNT issue.

[CyberCubed]

Anyone else feel that the latest TMNT issue (#103) was inspired by Birds of Prey film? It was like female mutant empowerment with Raphael acting like more a jerk than usual and Hob getting punched out like he should have issues ago. Mike and Leo come out of their funk to look for Klunk (rhythm unintended) but were not thier usual selves. Only male without issue was Donatello, who seems to be suffering from the effects of #44 with his shell aching. It was the worst issue in a good while. Reading it confirmed that Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz as fresh characters in film, its not enough of a draw to get a ticket to this film. It was hard enough reading through a TMNT issue.

Why are you posting a review for the TMNT comics here in a movie thread about Birds of Prey? I know you’re trying to make a connection but a lot of people here don’t follow the IDW comics so they won’t get what you’re talking about.

[MikeandRaph87]

Why are you posting a review for the TMNT comics here in a movie thread about Birds of Prey? I know you’re trying to make a connection but a lot of people here don’t follow the IDW comics so they won’t get what you’re talking about.

Maybe, but I suspect there is more crossover than you believe there to be. I just could not help, but feel I was getting an unwanted message thrown in my face and any urge to see Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz on the big screen dissipated with that one issue.

The best Black Mask is shown in two episodes of The Batman, his first foray into other media.Some could argue Under The Hood since it is taken from material during his three year hold on the Gotham underworld. Again it could be my preference of which characters are used such as Robin and Batgirl being featured vs Black Mask. Yet in the character Black Mask comes across as a threat in his assault on GCPD, enough to make Bruce cautious and know Sionis is dangerous.

[raph27]

So I finally saw this a few days ago... and I haven't been this torn about a DC movie since BvS. A lot of little things that I loved, but the overall picture got too jumbled up.

What I liked:

- Margot Robbie is once again fantastic as Harley. (Which makes me think if they wanted to feature her so heavily that it should have been a straight-up Harley Quinn movie, but I digress.)

- Contrary to many, I really enjoyed the character designs. Are they accurate to what I would see as the "correct" costumes? No, of course not. But I've gotten to the point where I like to see reinterpretations of these characters as they are translated to different media, and it worked well here.

- I will admit, I don't know a whole lot about Black Mask, and maybe that makes me part of the problem here. But I loved how twisted McGregor got.

- Fight scenes are energetic and fun... at first. I'll bring that up again.

- Some fun character moments, such as Harley and Cassandra in the apartment or the Birds getting on Huntress for her anger issues.

What I didn't:

- Pacing was all over the place. The fractured chronological order was overused for sure. By the time they got to the funhouse, I was ready for the movie to be over already.

- The fights went too long in certain instances. Specifically, the police warehouse and funhouse mirror fights were great going in and just stretched too long. Guess DC went back to the Man of Steel approach?

- What happened to Cassandra Cain? How does someone put her in a big-budget, live-action movie and make her a kid pickpocket instead of Batgirl? That would have sold tickets, Bat-family has name recognition like no one else.

- Zsasz got shafted. I was shocked when they said his name, I wasn't sure who it was for the longest time.

Honestly, my biggest problem with the movie is that it had so many ideas that were great and first and then ran into the ground they got used so much. Examples would be Harley's narration, the time-jumping, slowmo during the fights, and the pop-up words on screen. At the beginning, these are fresh. Unfortunately, they ended up just dragging the movie down.

It's a shame, this movie had some decent potential. And with its box office performance, its unlikely that there will be a sequel to fix its issues.

[MikeandRaph87]

iVzWpTBDrxo

There were two Justice League episodes that had to be rewritten due to characters being off the table. To Another Shore wrote around the lack of Aquaman for the worse, but after watching the video I think Double Date turned out better. I would rather have not had Dick Grayson rebuff Barbara Gordon that way to make way for the Birds of Prey one-off.

[Autbot_Benz]

“I put together a sizzle reel,” Yan recalled the other day, sipping a matcha oat-milk latte in a coffee shop near her apartment, in SoHo. “But it was not your typical sizzle reel.” To a homemade remix of “Diamonds Are a Girl’s Best Friend,” Yan set a collage of clips that embodied the worst of modern womanhood: “Like, scenes from ‘Bachelor’ proposals, the De Beers diamond commercial, Kim Kardashian’s vampire facial, Fox anchors talking about women, Trump saying ‘Grab ’em by the pussy’ ”—stuff that might make a girl want to smash the patriarchy. “After I showed the video, there was just silence.”



https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/03/09/cathy-yans-accidental-movie-career

No wonder this movie did terrible at the box office if this was her sizzle reel to convince warner's to let her direct it

[Leo656]

Because when you wanna stick a face on your "Fight The Patriarchy" movement, you immediately think of a Stockholm Syndrome victim in pigtails and clownface. :lol: Harley Quinn is SUCH a role model for women and female empowerment, you guys! Because nothing says "empowered" like "F*cking your way through college and then getting bamboozled and brainwashed by a notorious super-villain because you think you're gonna 'fix' him."

Harley f*cking Quinn is like, the worst possible character you could choose as the face of such a movement. UNLESS you remove all of her many years of established backstory and character development and just jump to making her a one-dimensional Manic Pixie Dream Girl who's just trying to get over her abusive ex by having a wacky and over-the-top Girls Night Out romp with her buddies, as this movie did.

I liked the character a lot when she wasn't supposed to be the "Star" of anything. She wasn't created to be a role model or even a "good person", and that was the entire point of her. She was a bad person (in deed if not always in motive) and an idiot who made the absolute wrong decision roughly 100% of the time. I'm not saying characters can't evolve over time, BUT 1. The movies skipped all of her development and jumped from A to Z so fast that it doesn't even register, and 2. She still shouldn't be portrayed, I feel, as a "good guy" because she's done a LOT of awful things on her own even removed from the Joker, in most versions of the continuity.

Venom Syndrome all over again. A character starts selling too many T-Shirts and then they start getting virtues ascribed to them that were never supposed to be there.
------------------

Also, Harley aside, the Birds Of Prey were never about "smashing the patriarchy" either, they were about catching bad guys in general, some of whom happened to be male but not exclusively. Obviously there's going to be some "Girl Power!" stuff inherent to any team of women in a predominantly male field, but once you start beating people over the head with it, you lose people. People don't wanna be preached at, they want to be entertained.

[Andrew NDB]

Precisely. Though as you might disagree... while BvS sped us through what should have been like 10 years worth of movies ridiculously, the Harley Quinn business shortchanged her (and audiences) like... everything. Suicide Squad, OK, that's a decent introduction, warts and all. Now you need to have her pop into a Batman movie or two with the Joker, then grow her more into a spinoff (something with Poison Ivy where she grows out of the Joker thing) and THEN you can have a movie like this. Only not at the cost of all of the other characters that people like.

[Leo656]

In THIS continuity, she's listed as "Accomplice to the death of Robin". As in, she aided and abetted the murder of a minor. That's kinda worse than anything she's done in ANY other continuity that I'm aware of. She's a child-murderer, or at least a willing accomplice.

No version of Harley Quinn should be a f*cking role model, but THIS version, especially, should not be.

BUT HEY, she's hot and Hot Topic got shirts to sell, am I right? :roll:

[Sumac]

“After I showed the video, there was just silence.”
I think they were silent because they thought "OK, we've found a perfect person for representation for blue checkmarks and leftards in social media, which'll give us media head pats, but let's pretend she revealed some HIDDEN TRUTHS".

I don't think HQ can't be symbol of female empowerment, characters change and all, but there's certainly should be some development. Just skipping from her being Joker's ****toy to "I'M A MY OWN GRRRRL PERSON, RWAH!" makes the whole think look awkward. Like the whole character evolution happens behind the screen and all we see is the beginning of it (in ****** movie) and the end of it (and even shittier movie).
But it DC, such things are to be expected from them.

[Coola Yagami]

In THIS continuity, she's listed as "Accomplice to the death of Robin". As in, she aided and abetted the murder of a minor. That's kinda worse than anything she's done in ANY other continuity that I'm aware of. She's a child-murderer, or at least a willing accomplice.

No version of Harley Quinn should be a f*cking role model, but THIS version, especially, should not be.

BUT HEY, she's hot and Hot Topic got shirts to sell, am I right? :roll:

I think they just look at 'girl left abusive guy and is do much better off without him' aspect and forget all the details. They kinda ignore the horrible things Harley did under the Joker and the mayhem she continues to cause after did. Harley didn't become a hero or whatever, she's still pretty much a villain that borders on antihero, just without the joker.

I kinda think many girls look at Harley and see the 'break all the rules, do whatever the **** you want, you can do anything you want without consequence' aspect of her character and 'girl power' it.

[Sumac]

'break all the rules, do whatever the **** you want, you can do anything you want without consequence' aspect of her character and 'girl power' it.
Modern "feminism" in a nutshell.

[Leo656]

A handful of people on FB said that they were sold on it when they saw her getting coked-up in the trailer. :lol: "Okay, now I'm DEFINITELY going to see this!" :lol: I'm like whaaaaaat.

People are silly.

[Andrew NDB]

A handful of people on FB said that they were sold on it when they saw her getting coked-up in the trailer. :lol: "Okay, now I'm DEFINITELY going to see this!" :lol:

That was probably the only scene I laughed out loud at. Though they didn't do enough with it... kind of like Hit Girl's "emergency syringe" in Kickass 2, too. I was hoping for something more like a comedically dark version of Wolverine at the end of Logan.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

You know, I'm wondering if they'd introduce Punchline into the DCEU. Too soon since she's a brand new character. She'd only be introduced just to fight Harley.

[Coola Yagami]

You know, I'm wondering if they'd introduce Punchline into the DCEU. Too soon since she's a brand new character. She'd only be introduced just to fight Harley.

All depends on if Punchline actually remains a permanent thing or is just there for that one story arc.

I'm not 100% sold on her until the next time Joker comes back and she's still around.

[Leo656]

I just read an article which reminded me that the hack who wrote this pile is also writing the Batgirl movie.

Good thing it's an already-announced DC movie, which means it won't ever actually come out. Otherwise, yikes, that'd be awful.

[raph27]

I just read an article which reminded me that the hack who wrote this pile is also writing the Batgirl movie.

Good thing it's an already-announced DC movie, which means it won't ever actually come out. Otherwise, yikes, that'd be awful.

Is the Batgirl movie still in the cards? I thought that got dropped after all the Whedon allegations.

[Andrew NDB]

Which is still amusing. The Batgirl movie only ever existed in a pre production sense because it was something Whedon wanted to do... then he was run off with pitchforks and it's become this hot potato thing.

[Leo656]

Is the Batgirl movie still in the cards? I thought that got dropped after all the Whedon allegations.

That Version of a Batgirl movie was cancelled, but they still want to do one anyway, eventually.

Again, it's WB/DC, so expect it to finally hit theaters in about ten years once everybody's stopped caring. Probably a month or two after "Green Lantern Corps" and right before the Flash movie.

[MikeandRaph87]

That Version of a Batgirl movie was cancelled, but they still want to do one anyway, eventually.

Again, it's WB/DC, so expect it to finally hit theaters in about ten years once everybody's stopped caring. Probably a month or two after "Green Lantern Corps" and right before the Flash movie.

Will I ever get Robin or Batgirl portrayed on the big screen again?:tgrumble: Just to clarify I am talking Mr. Grayson and Ms. Gordon. No substitutes.

[Andrew NDB]

We might get Grayson in The Batman.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2490583/is-matt-reeves-the-batman-setting-up-a-robin-appearance

[Leo656]

Who knows.

Last rumor I heard - and it IS just a rumor, far as I know - is that some people want to push this "Cassandra Cain" from the BoP movie to be Batgirl in the movie.

Apparently a few websites are gushing over some crappy fan-art of the actress and thus the rumor. Basically someone ran a photo through a filter and drew a red bat on her face, and thus, "Batgirl". :roll:

It's WB, so this is as likely to actually happen as anything else! Also, I'd hate it, and their film division in its current form exists ONLY as a cosmic joke on me and me alone, so factor that in and the odds of it happening are approximately 120%!

As Denis Leary once sang in the opening line of "Downtrodden" on his legendary "No Cure For Cancer" album: "Everything is horrible!" :lol:

We might get Grayson in The Batman.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2490583/is-matt-reeves-the-batman-setting-up-a-robin-appearance

Watch it be Michael B. Jordan.

[MikeandRaph87]

Who knows.

Last rumor I heard - and it IS just a rumor, far as I know - is that some people want to push this "Cassandra Cain" from the BoP movie to be Batgirl in the movie.

Apparently a few websites are gushing over some crappy fan-art of the actress and thus the rumor. Basically someone ran a photo through a filter and drew a red bat on her face, and thus, "Batgirl". :roll:

It's WB, so this is as likely to actually happen as anything else! Also, I'd hate it, and their film division in its current form exists ONLY as a cosmic joke on me and me alone, so factor that in and the odds of it happening are approximately 120%!

As Denis Leary once sang in the opening line of "Downtrodden" on his legendary "No Cure For Cancer" album: "Everything is horrible!" :lol:



Watch it be Michael B. Jordan.

He's too old, he is the same age as me, but he is too old. Is it wrong to want a Caucasian with black hair in the role or if not black hair to wear a wig or dye it? Is it wrong to want that? Or is it a liberal sin? I want the character to look like he came off the comic page. I mean Bryce Dallas Howard a redhead wore a wig to be Gwen Stacey and did something different with the character at the same time. Kirsten Dunst could not help playing damsel, but a blonde who wore a red headed wig. Despite being opposite hair color they catered to the character's hair and clothing styles. I am asking an honest question here.

[Leo656]

I am with you 100%.

But the media says we're both evil, hateful bigots who need to be educated and silenced. And they hold the pens.

Fidelity doesn't matter. Only the ol' Diversity Checklist matters.

Makes you wonder why they don't just do a Static Shock movie or something. OH WAIT, nobody cares, is why.

[MikeandRaph87]

I am with you 100%.

But the media says we're both evil, hateful bigots who need to be educated and silenced. And they hold the pens.

Fidelity doesn't matter. Only the ol' Diversity Checklist matters.

Makes you wonder why they don't just do a Static Shock movie or something. OH WAIT, nobody cares, is why.

The only episodes I watched were the two parter with the Justice League vs Brainiac and the first of the two Batman appearances. Why did I watch it? For Batman. Static Shock is Black Lightning-lite. I like Jefferson as a Justice League ally. Cyborg is also a good character, he is like the Martian Manhunter of the Teen Titans. Not an elite name that everyone knows, but a major contributor to a specific team and is a great base coordinator. Though having Cyborg play Oracle may not make diversity champions happy and the fact he is a Teen Titan (even though Superfriends labeled him and Robin as Leaguers) I see it as what fits his character the best.

Why can't not just DC, but Marvel and others too make new characters? I probably say that on here once a week. If they want diversity don't latch onto an existing hero and create automatic weariness or dislike because its not the hero that we know. I am open to someone working with my established favorites over replacing them. People need to find creativity and not base it on existing. It does not work. Who was the last original character to get 100 issues at DC or Marvel? Combined title issues of Deathstroke created in 1980? Harley Quinn integrated in 1999 is coming close I think? Maybe Deadpool, a 1992 creation?

I feel like I am made to feel guilty over my wanting the characters to have the same skin and hair colors as the actual characters. If they don't it does not feel authentic. I am sorry, I don't want to be thought of as someone who puts things in boxes and it has to be a certain way. I am thinking in terms of my go to example, Raimi's Spider-Man or Batman:TAS, the first three of the four seasons anyway. It was authentic inspiration where they looked like the characters from the comics come to life, cared for and taken a life of their own in a direction that makes sense but also true to the character. Do something original while staying true to the character which includes looking like the character. Maybe I am just a fool who does not like change.

[Leo656]

They'll tell ya that, but don't believe 'em. We're not wrong for wanting things to carry the qualities that we recognize and helped us to fall in love with these things in the first place. They're wrong for trying to convince us that only a name or a vague resemblance to the "official" costume matters.

Hopefully I'll live long enough to see things swing back around again.

[TigerClaw]

Wow! This is wild. Birds Of Prey literally came out last month. And they are planning to release it digitally next Tuesday.
https://twitter.com/Fandango/status/1239728801296166913

[Autbot_Benz]

Wow! This is wild. Birds Of Prey literally came out last month. And they are planning to release it digitally next Tuesday.
https://twitter.com/Fandango/status/1239728801296166913

https://i.imgur.com/wgCIbVp.gif

[Shark_Blade]

The fact that the blu ray release is 15 June. Wack.

https://www.google.com/search?q=birds+of+prey+blu+ray+release+date&rlz=1CDGOYI_enMY690MY690&oq=birds+of+prey+blu&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.5070j0j4&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[Leo656]

Great, first everyone was coughing, and now they'll be projectile vomiting. :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Cathy Yan basically blames everyone else for BOP Failing

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/04/04/...reaks-silence/

"I know that the studio had really high expectations for the movie — as we all did. There were also undue expectations on a female-led movie, and what I was most disappointed in was this idea that perhaps it proved that we weren’t ready for this yet," Yan explained. "That was an extra burden that, as a woman-of-color director, I already had on me anyway. So, yes, I think there were certainly different ways you could interpret the success or lack of success of the movie, and everyone has a right to do that. But, I definitely do feel that everyone was pretty quick to jump on a certain angle."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Cathy Yan basically blames everyone else for BOP Failing

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/04/04/...reaks-silence/

"I know that the studio had really high expectations for the movie — as we all did. There were also undue expectations on a female-led movie, and what I was most disappointed in was this idea that perhaps it proved that we weren’t ready for this yet," Yan explained. "That was an extra burden that, as a woman-of-color director, I already had on me anyway. So, yes, I think there were certainly different ways you could interpret the success or lack of success of the movie, and everyone has a right to do that. But, I definitely do feel that everyone was pretty quick to jump on a certain angle."

Maybe the b!tch could have faithfully adapted the Birds of Prey with an accurate Cassandra Cain and included Barbara Gordon. :trolleye:

Wild idea, I know...

[Autbot_Benz]

Maybe the b!tch could have faithfully adapted the Birds of Prey with an accurate Cassandra Cain and included Barbara Gordon. :trolleye:

Wild idea, I know...

Looks like Babs will be in Titans Season 3 as Orcale

[Sumac]

Cathy Yan basically blames everyone else for BOP Failing

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/04/04/...reaks-silence/

"I know that the studio had really high expectations for the movie — as we all did. There were also undue expectations on a female-led movie, and what I was most disappointed in was this idea that perhaps it proved that we weren’t ready for this yet," Yan explained. "That was an extra burden that, as a woman-of-color director, I already had on me anyway. So, yes, I think there were certainly different ways you could interpret the success or lack of success of the movie, and everyone has a right to do that. But, I definitely do feel that everyone was pretty quick to jump on a certain angle."
Ah, yes, everyone at fault that the movie was bad. But not her. Of course.
:roll:

Its getting tiresome. On the other hand, after such a fiasco it is unlikely she would get to work on any big movie for a while, so it is good. Maybe it will do wonders to her humility.

[ZariusTwo]

Looks like Babs will be in Titans Season 3 as Orcale

Seems whenever they adapt Babs for TV, they keep her in the chair then (see also the ill-fated Birds of Prey TV series)

Good, Babs should never have been taken out of the chair. She was a role model for disabled people in her Oracle role.

[TigerClaw]

Cathy Yan basically blames everyone else for BOP Failing

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/04/04/...reaks-silence/

"I know that the studio had really high expectations for the movie — as we all did. There were also undue expectations on a female-led movie, and what I was most disappointed in was this idea that perhaps it proved that we weren’t ready for this yet," Yan explained. "That was an extra burden that, as a woman-of-color director, I already had on me anyway. So, yes, I think there were certainly different ways you could interpret the success or lack of success of the movie, and everyone has a right to do that. But, I definitely do feel that everyone was pretty quick to jump on a certain angle."
That link doesn't work.

[MikeandRaph87]

That link doesn't work.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/birds-of-prey-director-disappointing-performance/amp/
Here is her interview dismissing the blame. If it was your decision to make the entire cast of characters in name only and withhold the key character it is your fault.

[TigerClaw]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/birds-of-prey-director-disappointing-performance/amp/
Here is her interview dismissing the blame. If it was your decision to make the entire cast of characters in name only and withhold the key character it is your fault.
One of the complaints I heard about is with the portrayal of Cassandra Cain. In the Comics she becomes Batgirl after Barbara Gordon.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Looks like Babs will be in Titans Season 3 as Orcale

Pfft. Like Titans is any better. Strawberry $hit or vanilla $hit, it's different flavors of $hit.

[Autbot_Benz]

JAKHZerZ2jM

[Autbot_Benz]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-star-margot-robbie-says-there-are-no-imminent-plans-in-place-for-a-sequel-a181054#gs.nvzbcu

No imminent plans for a sequel to this dumpster fire

During an interview with THR, Margot Robbie (Harley Quinn) was asked if there are any plans in place for a follow-up, and didn't sound too optimistic. "I don't know," said the Harley Quinn actress. "Nothing imminent at this stage, nothing worth mentioning."

[ZariusTwo]

"Nothing worth mentioning" sums up this whole film's legacy.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-star-margot-robbie-says-there-are-no-imminent-plans-in-place-for-a-sequel-a181054#gs.nvzbcu

No imminent plans for a sequel to this dumpster fire

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I really don't ever want to see Margot Robbie in a movie again.

[Autbot_Benz]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I really don't ever want to see Margot Robbie in a movie again.

same here I love harley as a character mainly from Bruce Timm's DCAU.

[Shark_Blade]

She lookin fire in James Gunn’s The Suicide Squad tho.

[MikeandRaph87]

same here I love harley as a character mainly from Bruce Timm's DCAU.

Same. I still see her as Joker's stooge. It is when she is at her best.

[Leo656]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I really don't ever want to see Margot Robbie in a movie again.

We'll always have those choice scenes from "The Wolf of Wall Street"! :lol:

Sigh. Who could have ever expected or believed what we'd be in for one day after All That? This is what we get for letting certain people think they were ever hired for any reason other than having an awesome rack. Then you give them "creative control" and let them write/produce, and you end up with Sh*t Like This.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

We'll always have those choice scenes from "The Wolf of Wall Street"! :lol:

You're not wrong, friend. :tlol:

[Shark_Blade]

Birds of Prey won Best Action Movie 2020 by IGN

https://www.ign.com/articles/best-action-movies-2020

Best Action Movie of 2020 Winner: Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn)

Much like its central character, Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) is a riot - an anarchic glitterbomb of lunacy that boasts some of the most inventive fight sequences ever seen in a comic book movie. Its zany energy and emphasis on Harley Quinn makes for a stunning showcase for Margot Robbie, who commands the screen and gives her damaged protagonist all the dimension she deserves. In the capable hands of producer/star Robbie, director Cathy Yan, and writer Christina Hodson, Birds of Prey allows us to see Harley at her most liberated; a trickster goddess who undoubtedly creates more messes than she cleans up, but one who is no patsy, despite spending years in thrall to her green-haired puddin’.

Congrats love the movie! :tlove:

Even the animated Harley Quinn series won best Animated Series 2020. Great year for HQ!

Harley Quinn won Best Animated TV Series 2020

.@IGN awards @DCHarleyQuinn as Best Animated TV Series of 2020 Winner with @RickandMorty as a runner-up. Both #DCUHARLEYQUINN and #RickandMorty are available to stream on @HBOMax: https://www.ign.com/articles/best-animated-series-2020

Congrats! Love the show. Birds of Prey also won Best Action film 2020, what a year for Harley Quinn. :tlove:

[Andrew NDB]

Jeeze... even IGN has fallen to the SJWs now?

[Sumac]

They always were like that.

But giving award to a trash? Well, that's a first.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

IGN = Ignorant.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IGN&amp=true

[Shark_Blade]

Congrats to Margot Robbie & Ewan McGregor on their big Critics Choice Awards for Birds of Prey roles! :tlove:

Margot Robbie Wins Critics' Choice Super Award for Best Superhero Movie Actress
https://www.cbr.com/margot-robbie-wins-critics-choice-super-award-for-best-superhero-movie-actress/

Ewan McGregor Wins Critics' Choice Super Award for Best Superhero Movie Actor
https://www.cbr.com/ewan-mcgregor-wins-critics-choice-super-award-for-best-superhero-movie-actor/

[ZariusTwo]

Literally what?

[Andrew NDB]

So basically that awards show is forever dead...

[Shark_Blade]

The 2020 ComicBook.com Golden Issue Award for Best Director goes to… #BirdsOfPrey’s @CathyYan!

https://comicbook.com/movies/amp/news/2020-comicbookcom-golden-issue-awards-best-director-cathy-yan-birds-of-prey/#click=https://t.co/uhYEBpCSyZ

https://twitter.com/cathyyan/status/1350467961681833984?s=21

[Coola Yagami]

To be fair.... wasn't it like, the ONLY action movie of 2020? I wouldn't consider Sonic or Onward as action movies.

[Leo656]

Same thing with comic book movies in general. There was "Birds of Prey", and... what? "New Mutants"? :lol: Jesus Christ.

It's easy to win a gold medal if you're the only one who shows up to the goddamn race. ALSO, BoP came out in 2019 so they're reeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllly stretching by giving it "Best _______ of 2020" awards when it wasn't even a 2020 movie. :lol: They just have to give SOMEthing in that category an award and there was literally no other movie for consideration.

It's like "You're a piece of sh*t, you're worthless, you're doing no good on this Earth... BUT, nobody else showed up. So here, take your trophy." :lol: That's EXACTLY what happened here.

So... Yay? :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Same thing with comic book movies in general. There was "Birds of Prey", and... what? "New Mutants"? :lol: Jesus Christ.

It's easy to win a gold medal if you're the only one who shows up to the goddamn race. ALSO, BoP came out in 2019 so they're reeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllly stretching by giving it "Best _______ of 2020" awards when it wasn't even a 2020 movie. :lol: They just have to give SOMEthing in that category an award and there was literally no other movie for consideration.

It's like "You're a piece of sh*t, you're worthless, you're doing no good on this Earth... BUT, nobody else showed up. So here, take your trophy." :lol: That's EXACTLY what happened here.

So... Yay? :lol:

Exactly, from now one my sole mission will be to remind anyone that boasts about this shitshow winning awards is to say 'well yeah but like... it was the only action movie of 2020 so....'

[Shark_Blade]

I wish Sonic won more awards as I prefer it waaay more than BOP.

But still congrats nonetheless, regardless of the circumstance at the time. A win is still a win for them, a historical record.

Harley Quinn stunts are remarkable, especially the police station raid scene. Dem fights, backflips and kicks aren’t easy to do, not to mention the camera works, all for the director to manage.

[Sumac]

But still congrats nonetheless, regardless of the circumstance at the time. A win is still a win for them, a historical record.
Historical record for creating POS is very interesting award, indeed.

[Andrew NDB]

Apparently the comic book movies of 2020 are just Birds of Prey, New Mutants, Bloodshot (the Vin Diesel movie), and Wonder Woman 1984. And a bunch of "who cares" animated stuff.

[Leo656]

Ohhhhh yeeeeaaaaah... "Bloodshot" was A Thing.

...Both in movies and just in general. Who even remembers? :lol:

[Shark_Blade]

Birds of Prey won 3 more awards from ComicBook.com:

1) Best Movie 2020
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/2020-comicbook-golden-issue-award-best-movie-birds-of-prey/

2) Best First Appearance (Huntress/Mary Elizabeth Hudson)
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/2020-comicbook-golden-issue-award-best-first-appearance-birds-of-prey/

3) Best Actor - (Black Mask/Ewan McGregor)
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/2020-comicbook-golden-issue-award-best-actor-ewan-mcgregor-birds-of-prey/

So that’s 4 total awards including Best Director
The 2020 ComicBook.com Golden Issue Award for Best Director goes to… #BirdsOfPrey’s @CathyYan!

https://comicbook.com/movies/amp/news/2020-comicbookcom-golden-issue-awards-best-director-cathy-yan-birds-of-prey/#click=https://t.co/uhYEBpCSyZ

https://twitter.com/cathyyan/status/1350467961681833984?s=21

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, that's admittedly a tough few movies to award accolades.

For me?

Best Movie:

New Mutants.

It wasn't great, it wasn't even particularly "really good," but it seemed solid enough as a film and on a script level and seemed to be the movie it set out to be. When it was over I just kind of shrugged -- I wouldn't mind seeing sequels to it, or these characters again, but it wouldn't really bother me if we didn't either.

Best Director:

Patty Jenkins.

While WW84 has a horrible script, pretty much everything on a technical level and visually was sound enough. While I don't care for Jenkins' vision personally that doesn't mean it wasn't executed well in line with it.

Best Actress:

Gal Gadot.

She carries all of WW84 and came within striking distance of saving it. Almost.

Best Actor:

Jeeze. I don't know. That's a tough one. Certainly nobody in WW84. Going out on a limb and assuming nobody in Bloodshot, either. Yet, of the 4 movies... nobody is male that's a lead character except... lol... I guess Vin Diesel as Bloodshot just wins it by default, right?

Best First Appearance:

Anya Taylor-Joy as Magik.

I'd never heard of this character before but I'd seen the actress in the Split/Glass movies. For what wasn't a very great movie, she was really memorable as Magik. I'd have loved to have seen her go all-out in like a proper MCU movie or something.

No, Birds of Prey doesn't deserve any awards for anything. Not even costumes.

[Autbot_Benz]

Why does Comicbook.com have such a raging hardon for the BOP movie?

[Andrew NDB]

Why does Comicbook.com have such a raging hardon for the BOP movie?

It's weird. I know CBS owns comicbook.com but... what does CBS have to do with WB? Perhaps WB worked out some kind of deal with CBS to increase interest in HBO Max or something.

Perhaps CBS just doesn't want to "award" either WW84 or New Mutants (now, Bloodshot I can understand them -- or anybody -- not wanting to award anything to) because doing so would be rewarding either AT&T or Disney, in a way. Like, "We want you to subscribe to CBS All Access... not HBO Max or Disney+." But they don't really have anything of their own to award that's a comic book movie.

[Sumac]

Ohhhhh yeeeeaaaaah... "Bloodshot" was A Thing.

...Both in movies and just in general. Who even remembers? :lol:
I do!
Movie was cool!

[Shark_Blade]

BIRDS OF PREY has been shortlisted for TWO Oscar Nominations:

- Best Make Up and Hairstyling
- Best Visual Effects

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/birds-of-prey-shortlisted-for-two-oscar-nominations/

Guess it’ll be Harley’s second Oscar movie after Suicide Squad won an Oscar previously. :)

[Coola Yagami]

Why does Comicbook.com have such a raging hardon for the BOP movie?

Cause it's 'progressive' and 'diverse' and 'girl power' and 'white man bad' and all that other jazz.

[Sumac]

Guess it’ll be Harley’s second Oscar movie after Suicide Squad won an Oscar previously. :)
What's so good about garbage receiving accolades?

Even in your righteous zeal you should understand that your ideology will win more hearts and minds, if its projects would actually be, you know, good.

[Shark_Blade]

Because not everyone sees things like you do. You can’t appreciate them but many others do.

[Andrew NDB]

Because not everyone sees things like you do. You can’t appreciate them but many others do.

Nobody of note.

[Shark_Blade]

Yet it got acclaims and recognitions. Not “nobody of note”. ;)

[Leo656]

Yet it got acclaims and recognitions. Not “nobody of note”. ;)

From fat lesbians. Whoooo. I totally care what they think is awesome.

[Coola Yagami]

Yet it got acclaims and recognition. Not “nobody of note”. ;)

By nobody that matters. Just to appease the 'woke' masses. I mean Harley's actress can barely brag about getting an award for best make up when all the effects obviously went to Killer Croc.

[Leo656]

Not "Nobody". Fat Lesbians. They're who every TV show and movie is made for now. THEY have to think something is good before you're allowed to say it's good.

Didn't you get the memo?

[Shark_Blade]

Yeah keep telling yourselves that. Anyway, you’re making noises but they’re making history. ;)

[Leo656]

I am so incredibly envious of Margot Robbie, who's mostly famous for flashing her tits and beaver in a Leonardo DiCaprio movie where he snorted cocaine off of her tits.

Stunning and Brave. Excellent role model and hero to women everywhere. Definitely, definitely not another Whore Who Made Good. Definitely not.

I imagine most of the "history" she's making is setting a new record for f*cking the most executive suits at Warner Brothers. That would explain, like, her entire career.

[Sumac]

Because not everyone sees things like you do. You can’t appreciate them but many others do.
Given ratings this crap had received, majority shares my opinion.
But continue to pretend this crap is good...for reasons. :lol:

Yet it got acclaims and recognitions. Not “nobody of note”. ;)
Acclaim and recognition from members of the same circle to each other means like one friend gives award to his best friend, ignoring how crap his product was. Not really sure what it accomplishes, aside from showing everyone with a half of a brain, that modern Hollywood is circlejerking each other and any attempt to search for objectivity and quality is void.

I am so incredibly envious of Margot Robbie, who's mostly famous for flashing her tits and beaver in a Leonardo DiCaprio movie where he snorted cocaine off of her tits.

Stunning and Brave. Excellent role model and hero to women everywhere. Definitely, definitely not another Whore Who Made Good. Definitely not.
How dare you...!!

It was her own choice!! Showing her tits was super empowering and showed all those pesky misogynists how cool and strong and not like everyone else she is!! She totally deserved these accolades!!

IaM TRiGErEd!!! LiTErAlly ShaKing! INEeD mY SmOOtHie AnD A HuG pIllOW tO Cry ABoUt How UnJuST ThIs woRLd Is!!
*sparkles*

[Shark_Blade]

Birds of Prey just won 3 awards from Hollywood Critics Association (HCA) Film Awards.
http://www.justjared.com/2021/03/06/hollywood-critics-association-announces-winners-for-2021-hca-film-awards/

Best Action: Birds of Prey

Best Blockbuster: Birds of Prey

Best Stunts: Birds of Prey

[Andrew NDB]

Birds of Prey just won 3 awards from Hollywood Critics Association (HCA) Film Awards.
http://www.justjared.com/2021/03/06/hollywood-critics-association-announces-winners-for-2021-hca-film-awards/

The Hollywood Critics Association (HCA): We never, ever have to take their awards seriously ever again.

Oh, good. Another one off the list.

[ZariusTwo]

:lol:

This feels more like a good P.R play for Warner than anything sincere. Same with the Valiant award for Snyder...they're trying to appease the cult so they quit attacking the company for the Fisher debacle, which has had a knock-on effect on other players in the industry.

[Andrew NDB]

And how exactly is Birds of Prey a "blockbuster"? What blocks did it bust? It literally lost money.

[Sumac]

I guess, those award organization had a surplus of metal after everything was canceled due to quarantine, so they decided to give it to something as opposed to throwing it into trash or donate it to charities.

Though, personally, trash would have been a better option. More honest.

[Leo656]

This is another one of those movies where it came out forever ago, got good reviews from all The Usual Suspects (the same ones cheerleading Black Superman), lost a bunch of money, and I don't know a single person who's seen it.

I can't believe it's even still part of the conversation considering what a complete and total non-factor it is in reality.

Like people made fun of Suicide Squad winning an Oscar for Best Hair and Make-Up, or whatever, but one could argue that they did kinda deserve that one. This thing, though... eh.

I guess these movies deserve some kind of award for making me and others completely hate Harley Quinn, something that wasn't thought to even be possible as little as 5 or 6 years ago. So, that's an "accomplishment" but I don't think they give out awards for that.

[Autbot_Benz]

Margot continues to pester WB about doing the Harley Ivy relationship on the big screen.

After how Huntress fake canary and Cass Cain were done. Dear Margo **** right off.

“Trust me, I chew their ear off about it all the time,” Robbie said. “They must be sick of hearing it, but I’m like, ‘Poison Ivy, Poison Ivy. Come on, let’s do it.’ I’m very keen to see a Harley-Poison Ivy relationship on screen. It’d be so fun. So I’ll keep pestering them. Don’t worry.”


https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/margot-robbie-warner-bros-harley-quinn-poison-ivy-meet

[Andrew NDB]

She lost all of her clout with Birds of Prey.

[Leo656]

With all her money, one would think that if she wants to "snuggle" other chicks so bad she could just get a hooker. Instead of doing another "Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn Fanfic" movie.

Also, is this Margot's way of "coming out"? I mean, she's gotta be canonically bi, now, yeah? I mean straight actors don't go around saying "I been pestering the hell outta my producers because I wanna do an onscreen same-sex relationship," y'know? Nobody's THAT committed.

Nothing wrong with it if she is, of course. Just saying, that's what I get from this.

[Coola Yagami]

With all her money, one would think that if she wants to "snuggle" other chicks so bad she could just get a hooker. Instead of doing another "Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn Fanfic" movie.

Also, is this Margot's way of "coming out"? I mean, she's gotta be canonically bi, now, yeah? I mean straight actors don't go around saying "I been pestering the hell outta my producers because I wanna do an onscreen same-sex relationship," y'know? Nobody's THAT committed.

Nothing wrong with it if she is, of course. Just saying, that's what I get from this.

Wonder what race Poison Ivy's gonna be. Maybe she'll be trans too. Who knows anymore.

[Andrew NDB]

Poison Ivy is a red-haired white woman. So it's guaranteed to be a black lady now.

[sdp]

It's already canon in most continuities https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5sk4M4UVp--ZjpV-RT_Vs4MT2A3DfBthOgQ&usqp=CAU

[Sumac]

No-one has problem with Harley x Ivy ship, which existed for about 2 decades already.

Heck, I one of the fans of it, but it is not question of the ship, it is question of how its done. And what would be done with it in an age of SJWism.

Because, in the [current year] being just a Lesbian is not enough to be diverse. Character should be trans cripple non-binary black whatever to pass the test of SJWism with flying colors.

And considering shitshow which was discourse around Birds of Prey, I am afraid what they can do to that ship.

[sdp]

jester outfit or bail

[ZariusTwo]

I preferred Ivy with Kite Man.

[MikeandRaph87]

I preferred Ivy with Kite Man.

Hell,yeah!

Jester outfit or quit!

I don't like Pam with green skin so its not a racist thing.

[Leo656]

Yeah, every single red-haired character is automatically replaced by a Black person now, with no exception. It's crazy.

Anyone who says there isn't a sincere and concentrated anti-Celt/anti-Ginger bias going on in media simply hasn't been paying any attention whatsoever for the last 8-10 years.

As an Irish guy I find that exceptionally annoying. On account of My People have historically been discriminated against plenty, already, and now it's once again become an "acceptable" prejudice. Such garbage.