David Ayer and Margot Robbie helming all female villian DC movie

[Autbot_Benz]

David Ayer is back in the business of DC comics villains.

The filmmaker, who directed Warner Bros.’ all-bad guy comic book movie Suicide Squad, is reuniting with that film’s star, Margot Robbie, for Gotham City Sirens, a feature project that will showcase the top female villains from the DC stable, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

Ayer will direct and produce the project with Robbie reprising her role as Harley Quinn, the part-time girlfriend of the Joker who is currently DC's most popular female character. Robbie is also executive producing.

Sirens was a recent comic series from DC that focused on the popular villainesses from Batman’s rogue gallery. Among them were Quinn, Catwoman, Batman’s sometime love interest, and Poison Ivy, who uses plants and their toxins to get what she wants.

Geneva Robertson-Dworet, a top female writer in the action sphere who has also penned scripts for the Tomb Raider remake and Warners' own Sherlock Holmes 3, is writing the screenplay.

The heads of DC’s film arm, Geoff Johns and Jon Berg, will also be involved in a producorial role.

Suicide Squad was a tough production and the movie underwent some reshoots but it all turned out fine for all parties involved as the movie grossed over $745.6 million global. It is now the 13th highest-grossing superhero release of all-time domestically and has surpassed the international box office of Deadpool, a movie to which it was often compared to in terms of tone.

The studio is still developing a Squad sequel as well as looking into a spin-off featuring Deadshot, the assassin character played by Will Smith. But this project was the most furthest along, and with Robbie’s Quinn having received near universal praise from Squad, this was the most natural project for Ayer with which to make his Warners return. The filmmaker is currently nearing the end of principal photography for Bright, his fantasy thriller for Netflix that stars Will Smith and Joel Edgerton.

Warner doesn’t have a release date for Sirens, but the project is now on the fast-track.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gotham-city-sirens-movie-david-ayer-margot-robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Any movie that has the word "fast-track" attached to it is a red flag.

[Powder]

More Harley from Margot? I'm in.

[CyberCubed]

Harley and Ivy in a live action movie together? You know what that means.

https://images.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,q_auto,w_710/bpitggdtycueqcr1kqmr/bye-bye-puddin-harley-quinn-poison-ivy-finally-kissed-in-dc-s-bombshells.jpg

What a time to be alive. I bet the LGBT crowd will be "head over heels."

[NinjaPug]

Anyone else think it's weird that WB and Ayer are working together on a DC movie again?

[Andrew NDB]

Does this take the place of the Harley Quinn solo movie being produced by Robbie?

[TurtleTitan97]

Harley was the best thing about Suicide Squad, so I'm in.

Just hope the studio doesn't butcher it like their other films.

[NinjaPug]

Gotta love WB/DC doubling down on directors that delivered mediocre movies that were universally panned. What could go wrong?

[Andrew NDB]

They truly have no creative direction of any kind.

It'd be like, they throw out dates for the Flash movie part 1, 2, and 3, and then Iris Allen gets a lot of good buzz when the first one comes out, all of a sudden out of nowhere there's surprise announcements about Iris Allen: The Movie and Iris Allen & Friends: The Movie and now the whole schedule of all the other movies in the lineup have to be rearranged. They are literally throwing **** against the wall and seeing what sticks, every movie in so far.

Lame, dumb, dumb.

[ToTheNines]

They truly have no creative direction of any kind.

They've been firing blindly from day one.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They truly have no creative direction of any kind.

It'd be like, they throw out dates for the Flash movie part 1, 2, and 3, and then Iris Allen gets a lot of good buzz when the first one comes out, all of a sudden out of nowhere there's surprise announcements about Iris Allen: The Movie and Iris Allen & Friends: The Movie and now the whole schedule of all the other movies in the lineup have to be rearranged. They are literally throwing **** against the wall and seeing what sticks, every movie in so far.

Lame, dumb, dumb.

Can't argue with that.

So basically, this will be Gotham Sirens? Ivy, Selina, and Harley? Miiiiiiight be okay. We'll see.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Honestly the concept itself sounds like a load of fun. But since this is the DCEU we're talking about, the finished film will be so reluctant, so unwilling to give the audience "fun" - it's just going to be a dreary, drab tale of incomprehensible misery just like MoS and BvS.

Just watch the old "Gotham Girls" Flash animations from the DCAU days. I'm sure they're way more enjoyable than whatever this film will be.

[TurtleTitan97]

Just watch the old "Gotham Girls" Flash animations from the DCAU days. I'm sure they're way more enjoyable than whatever this film will be.

Oh man, I remember those. They were great!

[NinjaPug]

I'm assuming Robbie pushed for Ayer to get this gig. At least WB has someone else involved with the script.

Eva Green for Catwoman please.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I have some faith in this. There's enough "hook" for a story, enough good source material. Some of my favorite characters. (Reimage Poison Ivy so that she can FINALLY have a decent live-action portrayal, PLEASE!!!)

Whereas I'm not interested in a solo Deadshot flick. At all. But hey, Will Smith...

[ProactiveMan]

I haven't seen Gotham, but you'd have to try really, really hard to do worse than Uma Thurman.

David Ayer is a team player. He didn't throw WB under the bus when people were crapping on Suicide Squad, and I bet they appreciate that.

[CyberCubed]

Suicide Squad made over $700 million, and people are wondering why WB isn't sticking with the same director?

What?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I haven't seen Gotham, but you'd have to try really, really hard to do worse than Uma Thurman.

David Ayer is a team player. He didn't throw WB under the bus when people were crapping on Suicide Squad, and I bet they appreciate that.

Gah. Like I said, we REALLY need a better Poison Ivy on the big screen. Stat.

[NinjaPug]

Suicide Squad made over $700 million, and people are wondering why WB isn't sticking with the same director?

What?

Because they clearly had no faith in his vision for the movie and had a third party put together a cut of the film. Why would you bring that person back if you didn't like what he did in the first place?

[Shark_Blade]

Gotham City Sirens??? What what what??

My fav comic series coming to life? Yaaaasss! :tlove:

[Spike Spiegel]

Just watch the old "Gotham Girls" Flash animations from the DCAU days. I'm sure they're way more enjoyable than whatever this film will be.

Good stuff, there. I think those are bonus features on the "Birds of Prey" DVD set.

I'd like to see a New 52-inspired Poison Ivy. That version of her has a twisted yet somewhat relatable sense of morality that would go nicely with what Robbie does with Harley Quinn.

[plastroncafe]

I hear the costumes are already on their way to the set.

http://i.imgur.com/QVmOEm2.jpg

[DestronMirage22]

I hear the costumes are already on their way to the set.

http://i.imgur.com/QVmOEm2.jpg

9wDpigy4eFE
:P

[Autbot_Benz]

Ugh rumor has it a Plank of Wood could be Poison Ivy. Seriously Enough Megan Fox

http://comicbook.com/2016/12/14/rumor-megan-fox-could-be-up-for-poison-ivy-role-in-gotham-city-s/

[ToTheNines]

Jessica Chastain or bust.

[Andrew NDB]

Should it be directed by a woman?

http://www.cbr.com/should-gotham-city-sirens-be-directed-by-a-woman/?utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=lista

[DestronMirage22]

Ugh rumor has it a Plank of Wood could be Poison Ivy. Seriously Enough Megan Fox

http://comicbook.com/2016/12/14/rumor-megan-fox-could-be-up-for-poison-ivy-role-in-gotham-city-s/

Good lord, NO! DC's movie quality might be going downhill, but we don't need her to sink this ship. Or mess up what could be Poison Ivy's cinematic big break :(

[Shark_Blade]

Megan Fox is perfect for Poison Ivy tbh. :tlove:

[DestronMirage22]

Megan Fox is perfect for Poison Ivy tbh. :tlove:

If you're going by looks alone, I guess. But personality wise: :dead:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Ugh rumor has it a Plank of Wood could be Poison Ivy. Seriously Enough Megan Fox

http://comicbook.com/2016/12/14/rumor-megan-fox-could-be-up-for-poison-ivy-role-in-gotham-city-s/

This would give Andrew so much more material for "PD fans = plants".

[plastroncafe]

Fox?
Lady director?

Okay, now you've got me interested.
Can we get a ltttle Karl Urban in there somewhere?

[Allio]

What else did the director direct?

[Spike Spiegel]

Fox was okay in Jennifer's Body. If there's one thing she can actually play, it's a vamp-type character.

[Shark_Blade]

If you're going by looks alone, I guess. But personality wise: :dead:

Anything's better than Uma Thurman's cringeworthy Poison Ivy lines in Batman & Robin tbh. :tlol:




Come join me. My garden needs tending.

I'll bring everything you see here... *Plus*, everything you don't!

[at Arkham Asylum with Mr Freeze] Let's cool it for now. There's someone I'd like you to meet.

Mr. Freeze: I need to get more diamonds from my hideout.
Poison Ivy: I can help you grab your rocks.

I'm a lover, not a fighter. That's why every Poison Ivy action figure comes complete with him! (Bane attacks)



So much cheese...

[Andrew NDB]

Fox was okay in Jennifer's Body. If there's one thing she can actually play, it's a vamp-type character.

Very true. Vampish seductresss to a T in that movie. And that's pretty much Ivy's whole thing.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Anything's better than Uma Thurman's cringeworthy Poison Ivy lines in Batman & Robin tbh. :tlol:

You're implying that Uma Thurman had anything to do with the writing...

[FredWolfLeonardo]

While this sounds like an absolutely terrible idea to me, I'm willing to give this a chance. After all, its too early to judge and I loved Margot Robbie's performance in the first movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

I would love Karen Gillian to be Ivy since she is a redhead.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Fox was okay in Jennifer's Body. If there's one thing she can actually play, it's a vamp-type character.

Even though I didn't like the movie, I agree to this. I would hope DC will give her a better script to work with than what the crew behind JB gave her.

[ToTheNines]

She was in Jonah Hex, too. Another sh*t stain of a DC movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Megan Fox has about as much chance of being cast in this movie as Bernie Sanders had of being elected President. :tlol:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Does Fox even have a career anymore?

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't mind seeing Fox's co-star from Jennifer's Body as Ivey, Amanda Seyfried.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/00/57/6d/00576d7fdb2ef5968a13890b5f094281.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I wouldn't mind seeing Fox's co-star from Jennifer's Body as Ivey, Amanda Seyfried.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/00/57/6d/00576d7fdb2ef5968a13890b5f094281.jpg

I'll second that.

[plastroncafe]

I like Seyfried, but I've always imagined Ivy being a bit more physically imposing.

[Allio]

that wouldn't really work though, as her powers are more indirect as opposed to majority of other villains.

[plastroncafe]

I think one can be physically imposing without being a bricks#it house.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, her whole thing is luring people (men, primarily) into a false sense of security. Kiss me, fool! Then oh, sh*t, you're dead, oh damn, you didn't realize I had a million toxins in that kiss? If she's literally physically imposing that sort of defeats that a bit. Or at least would make her rely more on her pheromones than she should probably need to out of the box... and in a film wouldn't translate right.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I like Seyfried, but I've always imagined Ivy being a bit more physically imposing.

Yeah, her whole thing is luring people (men, primarily) into a false sense of security.

I don't know if she's physically imposing but she is more convincing. I recommend "Chloe" as it shows off how seductive she can be. It was actually released the same year as Jennifer's Body.

[Shark_Blade]

Amanda Seyfried is too pure and innocent. We need a saucy vixen like Nicole Kidman or Scarlett Johannson for Poison Ivy tbh.

[plastroncafe]

Amanda Seyfried is too pure and innocent. We need a saucy vixen like Nicole Kidman or Scarlett Johannson for Poison Ivy tbh.

Exactly.
She's a literal Femme Fatale.
She should be a literal Femme Fatale.

Someone sensual and dangerous looking.
Christina Hendricks, for instance.

[Allio]

I think one can be physically imposing without being a bricks#it house.

Well, that's the thing. Her gimmick is flowers, and the most dangerous plants seem to look normal and appealing.

So really, being physically imposing wouldn't really work.

It's like a rose and its thorns

[The Deadman]

It Appears SUICIDE SQUAD Director David Ayer Is No Longer Involved With GOTHAM CITY SIRENS
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/gotham_city_sirens/it-appears-suicide-squad-director-david-ayer-is-no-longer-involved-with-gotham-city-sirens-a152862

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It Appears SUICIDE SQUAD Director David Ayer Is No Longer Involved With GOTHAM CITY SIRENS
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/gotham_city_sirens/it-appears-suicide-squad-director-david-ayer-is-no-longer-involved-with-gotham-city-sirens-a152862

Really hope not. Like I said in the other threat, I want to see Poison Ivy done cinematic justice.

[NinjaPug]

I think this might be fake news. Ayer talked about the project st SDCC and just posted a picture of Harley on twitter which I'm guessing is his way of refuting these rumors.

Or he's just trying to make people think he wasn't removed from the project.

[TigerClaw]

I think this might be fake news. Ayer talked about the project st SDCC and just posted a picture of Harley on twitter which I'm guessing is his way of refuting these rumors.

Or he's just trying to make people think he wasn't removed from the project.
It's possible that he's still attached to make it.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/gotham_city_sirens/did-suicide-squad-director-david-ayer-just-confirm-hes-still-helming-gotham-city-sirens-a152877
https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/890462803160473601

[NinjaPug]

Do you even read the posts you respond to?

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/79783

It's back on, or something.

[sdp]

Sometimes I forget just how many DC movies are being planned.

[Krutch]

What a mess DC is.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

At least this is one of the DC movies I want to see.

[ZariusTwo]

Birds of Prey movie roster revealed

-Harley
-Renee Montoya
-Huntress
-Dinah Lance, aka Black Canary
-Cassandra Cain

https://www.thewrap.com/birds-of-prey-black-canary-huntress-cassandra-cain-renee-montoya/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Birds of Prey movie roster revealed

-Harley
-Renee Montoya
-Huntress
-Dinah Lance, aka Black Canary
-Cassandra Cain

https://www.thewrap.com/birds-of-prey-black-canary-huntress-cassandra-cain-renee-montoya/

I'm hoping that's not true. You shouldn't do a Birds of Prey movie without Barbara Gordon.

Swap her for Renee Montoya, though, and bingo!

[sdp]

Cassandra Cain ?? It's like a dream come true but then I remember this is WBs DCEU ;(

[Autbot_Benz]

Birds of Prey movie roster revealed

-Harley
-Renee Montoya
-Huntress
-Dinah Lance, aka Black Canary
-Cassandra Cain

https://www.thewrap.com/birds-of-prey-black-canary-huntress-cassandra-cain-renee-montoya/

Wonderful After how Arrow shat all over Black Canary's legacy I hope this movie does her justice

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Thinking about the ridiculousness of a Birds of Prey movie without Barbara Gordon as Oracle, it suddenly occurred to me...

This is the same studio that made a Justice League movie without a single Green Lantern.

Sigh.

[Autbot_Benz]

Thinking about the ridiculousness of a Birds of Prey movie without Barbara Gordon as Oracle, it suddenly occurred to me...

This is the same studio that made a Justice League movie without a single Green Lantern.

Sigh.

makes sense babs is getting her own movie and most likely will be in the nightwing one

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

makes sense babs is getting her own movie and most likely will be in the nightwing one

If Batman can be in Suicide Squad, BvS, and Justice League, Babs can be in three movies, too.

[Autbot_Benz]

Looks like we lost some posts in this thread

All the posts about WB looking at black actresses for black canary were deleted or not backed up.

Still think its a bad idea don't cater to the you know who group.


Also Movie will be out February 2020

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/margot-robbies-birds-of-prey-to-open-in-february-2020-1202954950/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ugh. Don't like the casting for either.

https://batman-news.com/2018/09/26/birds-of-prey-mary-elizabeth-winstead-huntress-jurnee-smollett-bell-black-canary/

According to Variety, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is Huntress and Jurnee Smollett-Bell is Black Canary in Birds of Prey.

[Autbot_Benz]

Ugh. Don't like the casting for either.

https://batman-news.com/2018/09/26/birds-of-prey-mary-elizabeth-winstead-huntress-jurnee-smollett-bell-black-canary/

According to Variety, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is Huntress and Jurnee Smollett-Bell is Black Canary in Birds of Prey.

At least the chick playing Canary is a light skinned black girl so it won't be super black black canary

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

At least the chick playing Canary is a light skinned black girl so it won't be super black black canary

They could've switched them, as Huntress has been darker-skinned since Grayson.

But, I mean, as soon as they said they were doing a Birds of Prey movie with Harley Quinn and without Batgirl or Oracle, well...

http://i.bittwiddlers.org/KSs.gif

[Autbot_Benz]

They could've switched them, as Huntress has been darker-skinned since Grayson.

But, I mean, as soon as they said they were doing a Birds of Prey movie with Harley Quinn and without Batgirl or Oracle, well...

http://i.bittwiddlers.org/KSs.gif

Rumor has it they are doing a Batgirl show on the DC Streaming Service. But yes mary elizabeth winstead should have been Canary

[TurtleTitan97]

Ugh. Don't like the casting for either.

https://batman-news.com/2018/09/26/birds-of-prey-mary-elizabeth-winstead-huntress-jurnee-smollett-bell-black-canary/

According to Variety, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is Huntress and Jurnee Smollett-Bell is Black Canary in Birds of Prey.

Not a fan of this at all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Rumor has it they are doing a Batgirl show on the DC Streaming Service. But yes mary elizabeth winstead should have been Canary

Yeah, I lost all interest in the DC streaming service when "Fvck Batman" happened.

Not a fan of this at all.

Me neither. Not a bit.

[Autbot_Benz]

DC people hate our movie universe how can we get them to like us again. Lets make one of our White Characters Black that will bring them back. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

At this point, I think I've lost all faith in every aspect of the DC media platform.

The movies? Rumors of Henry Cavill being let go, this weird Joker Elseworlds film, the Justice League that had no Green Lantern and fought Steppenwolf, Birds of Prey with Harley Quinn instead of Barbara Gordon...

The TV shows, with their "fvck Batman" line ruining a perfectly good Robin, the continual CW soap slog of shows, and the Titans costumes (especially Starfire)...

And even the comics, with Heroes in Crisis, everything about Tom King, and Dick Grayson getting amnesia...

It's not a great time to be a DC fan. :tgrumble:

EDIT: At least Aquaman and Wonder Woman 2 should both be good. I hope.

[Andrew NDB]

It's not a great time to be a DC fan.

It's a good time to be a Green Lantern comic fan. Which is the first time that can be said in... more than a decade.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/ZR0DTtb.jpg

Real Black Canary

https://i.imgur.com/VEchBF0.jpg

Actress playing her in Birds of Prey

https://i.imgur.com/EkeQWUM.png

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.imgur.com/ZR0DTtb.jpg

Real Black Canary

https://i.imgur.com/VEchBF0.jpg

Actress playing her in Birds of Prey

If you ask me, that actress is way more attractive than the Black Canary depicted on the top there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's a good time to be a Green Lantern comic fan. Which is the first time that can be said in... more than a decade.

Unless you want a movie made, amirite? :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

Unless you want a movie made, amirite? :trazz:

Yeah... filthy cowards.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah... filthy cowards.

Unless it's got Margot Robbie or Gal Gadot or some version of the Joker, you can just fvck off. That seems to be the attitude from WB/DC as far as future projects right now.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/10/04/dcs-birds-of-prey-movie-casts-its-renee-montoya
https://i.imgur.com/POjdass.png
Rosie Perez is Renee Montoya

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/10/04/dcs-birds-of-prey-movie-casts-its-renee-montoya
https://i.imgur.com/POjdass.png
Rosie Perez is Renee Montoya

That is a TERRIBLE picture of the actress. That nose, my gosh. :teek:

[Andrew NDB]

I love Rosie Perez but wow... they're going old with her. I guess no romance with Batwoman, or whatever.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I love Rosie Perez but wow... they're going old with her. I guess no romance with Batwoman, or whatever.

What's she famous for? I've never heard of her.

[Andrew NDB]

What's she famous for? I've never heard of her.

Like... White Men Can't Jump, Do the Right Thing... from, like, early 90s. I think she did some standup too.

[Leo656]

Yeah, she did lots of stuff, for a while, and then she dropped off.

I don't know if it was ever confirmed that she had HIV, but I remember that was a big rumor for a while. If so, that would definitely explain such a hiatus.

Or, y'know. The voice. Maybe it was the voice.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, she did lots of stuff, for a while, and then she dropped off.

I don't know if it was ever confirmed that she had HIV, but I remember that was a big rumor for a while. If so, that would definitely explain such a hiatus.

Or, y'know. The voice. Maybe it was the voice.

I don't know that HIV attacks the vocal chords (then again, I don't know that it doesn't, either). Though I think I vaguely remember hearing the same rumors.

The reality is probably closer to her probably screaming all the time in between cigarettes and turning her vocal chords into swiss cheese.

[Leo656]

I wasn't saying she may have HIV and that's why she talks like that. I'm saying there are two things that could have caused her to not work for a long time: She could have HIV, or it could be that people literally would rather die than hear her speak.

Sorry I wasn't more clear.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://deadline.com/2018/11/ewan-mcgregor-joins-birds-of-prey-as-villain-black-mask-1202494174/


Ewan Mcgregor is Black Mask

[Andrew NDB]

https://deadline.com/2018/11/ewan-mcgregor-joins-birds-of-prey-as-villain-black-mask-1202494174/


Ewan Mcgregor is Black Mask

https://66.media.tumblr.com/18a25ed3962b16e3677a7209e23785da/tumblr_of0meeywIF1rosb88o1_500.gif

[AquaParade]

I'd love to see Black Mask on the big screen. Especially played by Ewan Mcgregor.

It's amazing the visual staying power of a skull. Paint it black, throw some flames around it. Whatever. Wear a skull and you'll look great.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://deadline.com/2018/11/ewan-mcgregor-joins-birds-of-prey-as-villain-black-mask-1202494174/


Ewan Mcgregor is Black Mask

Cool! I'm in favor of this casting. :tsmile:

[Krutch]

Good thing that Obi-Wan movie nobody wanted got sh*tcanned, eh?

[Andrew NDB]

Good thing that Obi-Wan movie nobody wanted got sh*tcanned, eh?

That was the only solo (no pun intended) SW movie I was looking forward to.

[Krutch]

I know :P Had a feeling I could have punched up the sarcasm on my last post. It's the only movie anyone was actually looking forward to.

[AquaParade]

I'm probably the only person who did want a Boba Fett movie. Yes, because he looks cool. Sue me, it's a visual medium.

Casual Star Wars fan at best though, so I probably don't know what's best for the franchise.

[Andrew NDB]

I know :P Had a feeling I could have punched up the sarcasm on my last post. It's the only movie anyone was actually looking forward to.

My bad. I completely misread that.

And I was on board with a Boba Fett movie with the caveat that it show him emerging from the pit on screen... beyond that, all good. And as long as what's his name from Episode 2 plays him.

You know. A movie with a framing device. Boba climbing/blasting his way out of the pit, as he flashes back on his life. Then 2/3s of the way into it, he frees himself. And the last 1/3 is him completing his arc set up in the first 2/3s in the post-RotJ present. It virtually writes itself.

If it's just "Here's Boba Fett between episodes III and IV!!!" then who cares.

[Leo656]

If it's just "Here's Boba Fett between episodes III and IV!!!" then who cares.

Nerds do. :lol: A few, at least.

I mean, I never really personally cared about what Han Solo did before "A New Hope", but we got a whole big thing about that anyway. :lol:

We're in this odd position nowadays where the companies that control our favorite IPs are like, "No, see, HERE's what you really want!" And everybody goes, "Uh... yeah, YEAH! I mean... I guess so, yeah, that's fine." And it's actually nothing that anyone asked for, but they go along with it anyway. It's weird.

[AquaParade]

My bad. I completely misread that.

And I was on board with a Boba Fett movie with the caveat that it show him emerging from the pit on screen... beyond that, all good. And as long as what's his name from Episode 2 plays him.

You know. A movie with a framing device. Boba climbing/blasting his way out of the pit, as he flashes back on his life. Then 2/3s of the way into it, he frees himself. And the last 1/3 is him completing his arc set up in the first 2/3s in the post-RotJ present. It virtually writes itself.

If it's just "Here's Boba Fett between episodes III and IV!!!" then who cares.

Like I said, I'm not totally informed on all things Star Wars, but I have heard the legend of Boba Fett escaping from the pit. It's something children would pass around the playground, whenever someone would express sadness at Boba Fett dying so easily.
If I've heard of it, I have to assume other casual fans have to. So, casual as I am, the idea of seeing Fett actually escape from the pit on screen is very exciting. I like it.

I guess the fact that I had this pretty cool comic book focusing on Boba Fett, when I was younger, also endears me to him. Called "Twin Engines of Destruction" in case anyone is interested. Focused on an imposter dressing as Boba Fett and trying to take advantage of his reputation to get work. As you can imagine, Boba wasn't a big fan. Great read, at least in my memory.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

ptLZlrE8MrQ

This doesn't look good.

"Cassandra Cain" looks ridiculous. Black Mask, Zsasz, and Black Canary all look generic as hell.

And guess who's front and center? Harley, wearing some pompoms.

Not a good publicity move. I'd say pass, but maybe the trailer will be better.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like doubling down on the drivel. Cheap-looking drivel.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Looks like doubling down on the drivel. Cheap-looking drivel.

It's great that they're doing something different than what the MCU does, but... this doesn't look like a good take.

Doubling down on Margot Robbie's character, a bunch of Suicide Squad-esque bling and color, copy Laura from Logan, weird-ass costume choices...

Holding out hope for Ewan MacGregor, though.

[Leo656]

Frankly, I'm not the biggest fan of any of these characters except Zsasz, so I'unno how great my enthusiasm will be. Plus, cramming Harley into a franchise she generally has nothing to do with is highly questionable, and reeks of try-hard. "Birds of Prey, featuring the ONE Character Everyone Liked From Suicide Squad!" doesn't really fill me with confidence.

That said, I actually liked Squad for what it was - an ensemble film that mostly served to open up the universe a bit more - and don't have a problem with more movies like that. Most of these characters, let's face it, couldn't carry a solo film, so stuff like this and Squad definitely has a place. It's just obvious that this WAS gonna be two movies, but they were nervous about a bunch of "no-name" characters carrying Birds of Prey, so they stuck it in a blender with the Harley movie to establish a bare minimum box office return.

Because if Squad proved anything, it's that even if people aren't in love with the entirety of a film, they're absolutely willing to pay money to see Margot Robbie in tiny short shorts. So, good business decision, but probably not gonna be a great story overall. We'll see.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Frankly, I'm not the biggest fan of any of these characters except Zsasz, so I'unno how great my enthusiasm will be. Plus, cramming Harley into a franchise she generally has nothing to do with is highly questionable, and reeks of try-hard. "Birds of Prey, featuring the ONE Character Everyone Liked From Suicide Squad!" doesn't really fill me with confidence.

That said, I actually liked Squad for what it was - an ensemble film that mostly served to open up the universe a bit more - and don't have a problem with more movies like that. Most of these characters, let's face it, couldn't carry a solo film, so stuff like this and Squad definitely has a place. It's just obvious that this WAS gonna be two movies, but they were nervous about a bunch of "no-name" characters carrying Birds of Prey, so they stuck it in a blender with the Harley movie to establish a bare minimum box office return.

Because if Squad proved anything, it's that even if people aren't in love with the entirety of a film, they're absolutely willing to pay money to see Margot Robbie in tiny short shorts. So, good business decision, but probably not gonna be a great story overall. We'll see.

This right here? I can't and won't argue with this. :tlol:

[ABrown]

I'm really excited to see that Birds of Prey hasn't gotten scrapped. It's pretty much the only movie in the DCEU that I'm looking forward to.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm really excited to see that Birds of Prey hasn't gotten scrapped. It's pretty much the only movie in the DCEU that I'm looking forward to.

Why? You didn't like the genuinely good ones?

[Andrew NDB]

"Birds of Prey" will be rated R and "less male gaze-y."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-will-be-rated-r-and-is-less-male-gaze-y-according-to-harley-quinn-actress-margot-robbie-a168811?fbclid=IwAR1Xjjp8qlgLThnB--wxzGyEHep9RE6YtJDStmy7SsjUNx2fXXgMkTytSwQ

[snake]

A group of attractive, crime-fighting women who wear tight costumes? Yeah, better cut all the sex appeal from it. It’s not like, the entire reason they were created in the first place or anything.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

"Birds of Prey" will be rated R and "less male gaze-y."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-will-be-rated-r-and-is-less-male-gaze-y-according-to-harley-quinn-actress-margot-robbie-a168811?fbclid=IwAR1Xjjp8qlgLThnB--wxzGyEHep9RE6YtJDStmy7SsjUNx2fXXgMkTytSwQ

I really like Margot Robbie, but I'd prefer "male gaze-y" over "fvcking garbage pompom jackets and suspenders" any damn day.

Can't we just put Margot in the Arkham City outfit? Or a slightly more realistic/practical red-and-black Batman TAS costume?

Do the only options HAVE to be "stuff the dollar bills in her g-string" or "hey that crack whore stole some sh!t-stained pompoms out of the high school gym's dumpster"?

[Sumac]

"Birds of Prey" will be rated R and "less male gaze-y."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-will-be-rated-r-and-is-less-male-gaze-y-according-to-harley-quinn-actress-margot-robbie-a168811?fbclid=IwAR1Xjjp8qlgLThnB--wxzGyEHep9RE6YtJDStmy7SsjUNx2fXXgMkTytSwQ
What else one can expect from the times where idea that men are attracted to the women is considered "problematique"?

[Papenbrook]

"Birds of Prey" will be rated R and "less male gaze-y."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-will-be-rated-r-and-is-less-male-gaze-y-according-to-harley-quinn-actress-margot-robbie-a168811?fbclid=IwAR1Xjjp8qlgLThnB--wxzGyEHep9RE6YtJDStmy7SsjUNx2fXXgMkTytSwQ


Good. Women shouldn't feel pressured nor forced to don clothing they are personally uncomfortable in.

On a similar note, why is this set to become the lowest-budgeted movie of the DCEU? (https://screenrant.com/birds-prey-movie-budget-dceu-comparison/)

Hollywood couldn't give less of a cheap about female-led films/franchises.

Anyway, I hope that despite its ever-restricting circumstances, that the film mightily succeeds.

[Sumac]

Good. Women shouldn't feel pressured nor forced to don clothing they are personally uncomfortable in.
Yeah, it's not like they get roles in blockbusters thanks to their appearance or anything...:lol:

Hollywood couldn't give less of a cheap about female-led films/franchises.
It's not like those movies proved to be a unsuccessful or anything...:lol:

[ZariusTwo]

Good. Women shouldn't feel pressured nor forced to don clothing they are personally uncomfortable in.

21st century wamen are uncomfortable with everything.

Sneeze in their direction and they'll sue your nose.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/Hn3thT2/march.jpg

[turtle1237]

I am all for it if Margot Robbie is Harley Quinn again. She nailed that role.

[raph27]

Good. Women shouldn't feel pressured nor forced to don clothing they are personally uncomfortable in.

On a similar note, why is this set to become the lowest-budgeted movie of the DCEU? (https://screenrant.com/birds-prey-movie-budget-dceu-comparison/)

Hollywood couldn't give less of a cheap about female-led films/franchises.

Anyway, I hope that despite its ever-restricting circumstances, that the film mightily succeeds.

Because if the goddamn Justice League, a group of some of the most iconic fictional characters of all time, couldn't become a box-office hit, why in the hell would they expect this to? Nobody outside of people already invested in DC's various media knows anything about these characters, and the limited advertising so far makes it look like a grunge music video, or a Hot Topic commercial. Makes total sense to me that they would save budget for bigger stuff like WW1984 or the Batman movie if that's ever actually coming.

[Sumac]

Because if the goddamn Justice League, a group of some of the most iconic fictional characters of all time, couldn't become a box-office hit, why in the hell would they expect this to? Nobody outside of people already invested in DC's various media knows anything about these characters, and the limited advertising so far makes it look like a grunge music video, or a Hot Topic commercial. Makes total sense to me that they would save budget for bigger stuff like WW1984 or the Batman movie if that's ever actually coming.
Don't bring logic into this.

Obviously lack of desire to invest in a niche and risky project is a secret conspiracy of misogynists to bring women down.
Wonder Woman who?
:roll:

[Papenbrook]

The villain will be Black Mask, who also happens to be gay. (https://www.pride.com/geek/2019/7/09/birds-prey-might-get-gay-villain-good-thing)

In addition, the film will contain a plethora of LGBTQIA+ characters/relationships. (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/07/dc-comics-bird-prey-movie-will-gay-lesbian-characters/)

Hopefully, the filmmakers won't fall back on offensive/unfortunate stereotypes/tropes. ( Warner Bros. themselves seem unhappy, though. (https://bamsmackpow.com/2019/07/16/rumor-warner-bros-not-pleased-birds-of-prey/) I'm sensing another Justice League; that can't be good. )

[CyberCubed]

http://i.imgur.com/3XiKMch.gif

[Autbot_Benz]

http://i.imgur.com/3XiKMch.gif

agreed **** this movie.

[Powder]

http://i.imgur.com/3XiKMch.gif

Yeah. Me too.

[Andrew NDB]

Couldn't have chosen a better or more accurate .GIF myself.

[snake]

I heard Nikki Minaj is being eyed for Catwoman. If that's the case then I'll be eyeing this movie with my dick.

[Andrew NDB]

I heard Nikki Minaj is being eyed for Catwoman.

If that's true then they've 100% abandoned any plans for an even flimsily cohesive DCEU. I don't see Nicki Minaj showing up in, like, Matt Reeves' "The Batman 2" or anything to reprise the part. Hard lines will be being drawn, everything will get fractured into little pockets. Over here is the WW and Aquamanverse, over here is the Batman universe, over here is the Harley/SJW universe, etc..

And speaking of hard lines, yeah. Personally I would watch her in just about anything. :D I'm not saying it would be good, but I would watch.

[Sumac]

The villain will be Black Mask, who also happens to be gay. (https://www.pride.com/geek/2019/7/09/birds-prey-might-get-gay-villain-good-thing)

In addition, the film will contain a plethora of LGBTQIA+ characters/relationships. (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/07/dc-comics-bird-prey-movie-will-gay-lesbian-characters/)

Hopefully, the filmmakers won't fall back on offensive/unfortunate stereotypes/tropes. ( Warner Bros. themselves seem unhappy, though. (https://bamsmackpow.com/2019/07/16/rumor-warner-bros-not-pleased-birds-of-prey/) I'm sensing another Justice League; that can't be good. )
How about just making a good movie, instead of pandering to BBQ+ and other crazies?

It seems producers now think that including gay characters gave their project +100 to immunity and +1000 to popularity. Except its not how it works. If your movie sucks, than no amount of gays will be able to salvage it. Blaming and shaming people post-factum for hating on the movie, if its not good, is one of the most nefariously idiotic things one can do to ruin their relationship with the audience for the foreseeable future.

[Papenbrook]

So, I have since heard that the film fat-shames/body-shames one of the lead actresses. It also gay-bashes the main villain through disrespectful dialogue that's deliberately directed toward(s) him.

I will not be supporting this.

[Autbot_Benz]

So, I have since heard that the film fat-shames/body-shames one of the lead actresses. It also gay-bashes the main villain through disrespectful dialogue that's deliberately directed toward(s) him.

I will not be supporting this.

https://i.imgur.com/lwykNrt.gif

[Sumac]

So, I have since heard that the film fat-shames/body-shames one of the lead actresses. It also gay-bashes the main villain through disrespectful dialogue that's deliberately directed toward(s) him.

I will not be supporting this.
I am sure producers of this movie will mourn your decision.
For about 0,02 milliseconds, that is.
:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

AhoXR5tyGWY

It just looks so cheap...

[AquaParade]

I'll be very surprised if this turns out good. Reminds me of Suicide Squad...without the quality trailers.

[Andrew NDB]

I'll be very surprised if this turns out good. Reminds me of Suicide Squad...without the quality trailers.

Hah, that's a good way of putting it. Yes, it looks like "Suicide Squad," had the trailers we got for "Suicide Squad" been honest and accurate.

[Autbot_Benz]

I still have no interest in this movie. Black Canary is not black. They only did that to check off the PC Card. Also No Batgirl/oracle it really isn't the Birds of Prey

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

AhoXR5tyGWY

It just looks so cheap...

Trash. It looks like fvcking trash.

It makes Suicide Squad look GOOD by comparison. How do you even do that? Harley Quinn, one of the few parts that still stands up from Suicide Squad, and she looks terrible in this.

If The Batman doesn't deliver (and deliver soon), I think I'm just going to bow out of all things DC for awhile.

We've come a long damn way since The Dark Knight Trilogy and Man of Steel... most of it downhill.

I mean, when was the last good DC villain on film? Michael Shannon's General Zod? I feel like it was Zod. Sure wasn't fvcking Ares or Enchantress. Or Jesse Eisenberg.

[TurtleTitan97]

Yeah, this looks like a hard pass for me. Not at all what I wanted for a BoP movie.

[Andrew NDB]

It makes Suicide Squad look GOOD by comparison. How do you even do that? Harley Quinn, one of the few parts that still stands up from Suicide Squad, and she looks terrible in this.

But at least it's "not as male gazey." That's all that matters, right?

We've come a long damn way since The Dark Knight Trilogy and Man of Steel... most of it downhill.

That's a very good way of looking at it.

I mean, when was the last good DC villain on film? Michael Shannon's General Zod? I feel like it was Zod. Sure wasn't fvcking Ares or Enchantress. Or Jesse Eisenberg.

Yep. Zod.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

But at least it's "not as male gazey." That's all that matters, right?

Thank God for those trashy pom-pom sleeves and suspenders. I might be staring at Margot's butt otherwise.

That's a very good way of looking at it.

It's a damn shame is what it is.

Yep. Zod.

At this point, DC is definitely following Marvel's "formula"... the villains are trite, the CGI is everywhere, and there are more jokes.

Except by this point, Marvel has managed to break out of their own formula in some places. Thanos, Killmonger, Vulture, and Zemo In Name Only were villains that were just as captivating and intriguing as the good guys.

Whereas DC used to have Joker, Liam Neeson's R'as al Ghul, Bane, Harvey Dent, and Zod, now they have... Enchantress, Jesse Eisenberg, CGI Ares... at least the Aquaman villains were really good.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/3ZjiibF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NmLjrKh.gif

[Sumac]

Looks cheap as ****.
Also, why Harley is like the main part of the Bird of Prey now? I mean, besides, being one of the most popular DC characters.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Looks worse and worse.

I'm really starting to hate Harley Quinn.

[Andrew NDB]

You know, you go down the list...

Does she have any superpowers? No.

Is she a good leader? No.

Is she well-trained in battle or fighting? No.

Is she sound-minded, or even sane? No.

There is no reason at all to put her on a team of any kind. She can swing a bat, kind of. That's it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You know, you go down the list...

Does she have any superpowers? No.

Is she a good leader? No.

Is she well-trained in battle or fighting? No.

Is she sound-minded, or even sane? No.

There is no reason at all to put her on a team of any kind. She can swing a bat, kind of. That's it.

Can't even say that she's a good role model (Stockholm Syndrome). Or that she looks good in short shorts anymore... because less male-gazey. :tlol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Its like you go from Joker to This. But the good DCEU loving Idiots will see this in droves.

Also Black Canary is not Black "bangs head on desk"

[raph27]

This looks like a music video that some corporate suit decided should go full-length.

Then again, it is a follow up to Suicide Squad of sorts. That's probably exactly what happened.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.imgur.com/48Rcgk2.png

Yikes. It's rare to see a mere poster evoke such an immediate (and effective) sense of, "I don't want you to watch me."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ozzy comes to mind.

This crazy train is off the rails. And not in a good way.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://www.themix.net/2019/09/margo...-down-villain/

Birds of Prey is experiencing difficulties and could be as troubled as previous entries in DC’s Extended Universe. Reshoots are underway to change some previously reported twists and unsavory elements. YouTube personality Grace Randolph reported changes are being made that amount to a “Rogue One situation.”

Cassandra Cain (Ella Jay Basco) is on the run from Black Mask (Ewan McGregor) after swallowing a diamond that belongs to him. As precious as diamonds are, it’s the contents of the jewel that are more important to him. Inside the diamond is microfilm photos of Mask nude and showing off his private parts.

Jesus Christ DC you go from Joker to This. This is why Marvel continues to do better than you at the movies.

[AquaParade]

https://www.themix.net/2019/09/margo...-down-villain/

Birds of Prey is experiencing difficulties and could be as troubled as previous entries in DC’s Extended Universe. Reshoots are underway to change some previously reported twists and unsavory elements. YouTube personality Grace Randolph reported changes are being made that amount to a “Rogue One situation.”

Cassandra Cain (Ella Jay Basco) is on the run from Black Mask (Ewan McGregor) after swallowing a diamond that belongs to him. As precious as diamonds are, it’s the contents of the jewel that are more important to him. Inside the diamond is microfilm photos of Mask nude and showing off his private parts.

Jesus Christ DC you go from Joker to This. This is why Marvel continues to do better than you at the movies.

If they release one movie that sucks and one that is groundbreaking, I consider it a pretty good year.

This movie does not appeal to me at all. To me, it seems like one of the last remnants to squeak out of the previous DCEU management.

[Autbot_Benz]

If they release one movie that sucks and one that is groundbreaking, I consider it a pretty good year.

This movie does not appeal to me at all. To me, it seems like one of the last remnants to squeak out of the previous DCEU management.

This guy says what Grace said is fake news so who knows

https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1176558451511611393

[AquaParade]

This guy says what Grace said is fake news so who knows

https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1176558451511611393

Either way, it just looks bad, personally speaking.

This must be how people who strongly dislike Deadpool feel. I love Wade Wilson, I kind of get how he just comes across as completely obnoxious to some people, and that is sort of the impression I get from this incarnation of Harley Quinn. I respect that the character has merit and people love Margot Robbie, but the whole gist of this incarnation is a turn-off for me. If there is more here than just a "I'm a cute badass with several different outfits", I'm not registering it.

Plus, I hate the color scheme and look of the set. Again, reminds me a lot of Suicide Squad.

But hey, anyone reading this, who is excited for the film, I hope you don't take offense. I like all kinds of **** that is considered stupid by many people.

[Autbot_Benz]

Trailer 10/1

https://i.imgur.com/EHdTd0j.jpg

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-harley-quinn-gets-into-some-mayhem-in-a-colorful-new-set-of-posters-trailer-tomorrow-a170824

Tons of Harley centric posters none of the other members of birds of prey

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Teaser Trailer 10/1

https://i.imgur.com/EHdTd0j.jpg

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/birds_of_prey/birds-of-prey-harley-quinn-gets-into-some-mayhem-in-a-colorful-new-set-of-posters-trailer-tomorrow-a170824

Tons of Harley centric posters none of the other members of birds of prey

My hate for Harley Fvcking Quinn went up another 2 points.

[Andrew NDB]

"I'm a cute badass with several different outfits"

Can we even qualify her as a "badass"?

[CyberCubed]

this looks really bad

[AquaParade]

Reminds me of The Cheetah Girls.

[TigerClaw]

It looks like its going to be a fun movie based on these posters. Can't wait to see this Trailer.

The poster with the Hyena. That's obviously either Bud or Lou.

[Autbot_Benz]

It looks like its going to be a fun movie based on these posters. Can't wait to see this Trailer.

The poster with the Hyena. That's obviously either Bud or Lou.

Why am I not surprised Mr every movie is awesome :roll: Keep on shilling bro. :roll::roll::roll:

[TigerClaw]

Why am I not surprised Mr every movie is awesome :roll: Keep on shilling bro. :roll::roll::roll:
If I were a shill. I'd be rich by now. Anyways this looks like it will be a fun comic book movie. and that's what I want. Fun.

Also you're doing a great job of ignoring me.

[ZariusTwo]

If I were a shill. I'd be rich by now. Anyways this looks like it will be a fun comic book movie

It looks like a tonally schizo mess that's been thrown up by 2001 era MTV video directors

[Autbot_Benz]

Saw the Trailer it looks just like Ayer's Suicide Squad. I don't see any costumes for Canary or Huntress everyone is just in street clothes.

[Andrew NDB]

The trailer:

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Yeah, it looks like everything wrong with Suicide Squad cranked up to a 10. And I bet Black Mask doesn't even become Black Mask until the very end of the movie.

[ZariusTwo]

kGM4uYZzfu0

[Autbot_Benz]

The movie is missing something very important a little think called ****ing costumes

https://i.imgur.com/Gu9UL0L.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't know which I hate more.

They picked that weird little chunky nonathletic kid for CASSANDRA FVCKING CAIN.

Or Harley Fvcking Quinn is taking the place of BARBARA FVCKING GORDON. In a goshdamn Birds of Prey movie.

[MikeandRaph87]

I don't know which I hate more.

They picked that weird little chunky nonathletic kid for CASSANDRA FVCKING CAIN.

Or Harley Fvcking Quinn is taking the place of BARBARA FVCKING GORDON. In a goshdamn Birds of Prey movie.

We don't have to go see it. No Barbara Gordon, no go for me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

We don't have to go see it. No Barbara Gordon, no go for me.

Believe me, I'm speaking up with my dollars.

#notmybirdsofprey
#whereisoracle

[Andrew NDB]

It's not often I actively want to see a thing fail, particularly with the fragile DCEU and what I know it could be in better hands... but this is one of those times. WB needs the wind knocked out of them with this.

[Sumac]

This slightly chubby Asian girl is a Cassandra Cain!?
Oh my...

Well, at least she is still a woman and not crossdresser or something worse. That's a small victory, I guess.

[Autbot_Benz]

This slightly chubby Asian girl is a Cassandra Cain!?
Oh my...

Well, at least she is still a woman and not crossdresser or something worse. That's a small victory, I guess.

ya its like these idiots who make these movies don't look at comics or source material.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's not often I actively want to see a thing fail, particularly with the fragile DCEU and what I know it could be in better hands... but this is one of those times. WB needs the wind knocked out of them with this.

This slightly chubby Asian girl is a Cassandra Cain!?
Oh my...

Well, at least she is still a woman and not crossdresser or something worse. That's a small victory, I guess.

What's worse is, I bet this does gangbusters at the box office.

But this definitely needs to crash and burn. Not because it has women in it (obviously), but because it's a terrible portrayal of a fantastic comic book team that deserves much, MUCH better.

Helena Bertinelli; Dinah Lance; Cassandra Cain; and most of all, Barbara Gordon.

[Andrew NDB]

They probably would have thrown some version of Barbara Gordon in it were it not for the Batgirl movie that Whedon started and then fired himself from that's still germinating somewhere.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They probably would have thrown some version of Barbara Gordon in it were it not for the Batgirl movie that Whedon started and then fired himself from that's still germinating somewhere.

I dunno, man. Batgirl/Oracle would be competition for Harley Fvcking Quinn. I'm not convinced things would be any different.

[Autbot_Benz]

The even more sad thing is Arrow of all things did Huntress and Canary better than this movie and I bitched like nobodies business about Arrow's treatment of Black Canary.

[Andrew NDB]

The even more sad thing is Arrow of all things did Huntress and Canary better than this movie and I bitched like nobodies business about Arrow's treatment of Black Canary.

Yeah, Huntress actually wasn't bad on Arrow at all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, Huntress actually wasn't bad on Arrow at all.

Back when Arrow wanted to be Green Batman. Those early seasons were good...

[TigerClaw]

Looks fun. I liked that we get to see Bud and Lou be a part of the action in some scenes.

[Andrew NDB]

Back when Arrow wanted to be Green Batman. Those early seasons were good...

1 and 2 were fairly riveting, minus some flab here and there. The show didn't even really get BAD until the last two seasons but man it's gotten bad.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

1 and 2 were fairly riveting, minus some flab here and there. The show didn't even really get BAD until the last two seasons but man it's gotten bad.

Just goes to show how awesome a live-action Batman series could be, in the right hands.

[MikeandRaph87]

The last time and only time we got Barbara Gordon it was as blonde Barbara Wilson, niece of Alfred. We need Barbara Gordon proper! I am curious about seeing a yet to be adapted to film Batman villain, but not this desperate.

I mean Jason Moamoa is nothing visually like Aquaman at all, but it took the rest of what made Aquaman great and had a sunny ending. I liked it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The last time and only time we got Barbara Gordon it was as blonde Barbara Wilson, niece of Alfred. We need Barbara Gordon proper! I am curious about seeing a yet to be adapted to film Batman villain, but not this desperate.

I mean Jason Moamoa is nothing visually like Aquaman at all, but it took the rest of what made Aquaman great and had a sunny ending. I liked it.

Well, we're getting a black Babs this go round. Which I'm okay with, but disappointed nonetheless. Was really looking forward to finally getting a feisty redhead in a CBM. :tlol:

[MikeandRaph87]

Well, we're getting a black Babs this go round. Which I'm okay with, but disappointed nonetheless. Was really looking forward to finally getting a feisty redhead in a CBM. :tlol:

We are? Had not heard/read that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

We are? Had not heard/read that.

https://batman-news.com/2019/09/23/jeffrey-wright-gordon-rumor/

Given who is likely going to be playing the Commissioner...

[Andrew NDB]

I never even considered that. That plus the redheaded white chick curse... paints a pretty complete picture.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I never even considered that. That plus the redheaded white chick curse... paints a pretty complete picture.

Add to that, apparently Babs and Dad Gordon were both black in the Lego Batman movie, and it's a guarantee.

Seriously, TV and film have a huge throbbing hate boner for redheads.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Wow, that was.....not good. It just looks like a repeat of Suicide Squad except obviously with different characters. I'm glad that when they show'd a drawing of Joker that it wasn't Jared Leto's depiction. Still, I don't have much faith in this.

[TommyT]

Wow, that was.....not good. It just looks like a repeat of Suicide Squad except obviously with different characters. I'm glad that when they show'd a drawing of Joker that it wasn't Jared Leto's depiction. Still, I don't have much faith in this.

Agreed. And even though it looks bad, all men will be smeared as misogynistic for not applauding it.

It’s Black Panther all over again.

[Krutch]

I thought it looked... fine? Kinda okay? *checks pulse*

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Agreed. And even though it looks bad, all men will be smeared as misogynistic for not applauding it.

It’s Black Panther all over again.

Nah, man, Black Panther was good. I think you're thinking of Captain Marvel. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

If you loved Suicide Squad and like to protest Trump in your spare time this should look aces, for sure.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh jeeze... Ewan McGregor: "It's a feminist film that explores misogyny."

http://dlvr.it/RFdc1m

Count me out for sure.

[Autbot_Benz]

Oh jeeze... Ewan McGregor: "It's a feminist film that explores misogyny."

http://dlvr.it/RFdc1m

Count me out for sure.

Christ why do you need to ruin a DC Film with Feminist ********

https://i.imgur.com/ob80s79.gif

[Leo656]

You posted this thread, you shouldn't be surprised that this is The New Normal in Hollywood:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=61929

Granted, that specifically cites Disney, but let's be real: EVERY studio is gonna be adhering strictly to the ol' Diversity Checklist going forward. "Inclusion" and indoctrination of thought first, creativity and imagination way in last place. That's what's happening.

I've personally abandoned any excitement or hope for most upcoming films and am finding great joy in retreating into films of the past few decades. The 1970s period, especially, was a wellspring of imagination full of things that would never be allowed on screen today. Back when someone could simply have an idea, write a story, and have it published or filmed or whatever have you, and it would be judged on its own merit rather than how many "token" characters were forced in to even out the numbers.

A simpler, better time, one we'll never see again. From now on, if you wanna paint, you better do it by the numbers. Or Else.

Sad.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Remember the good ol' days when Black Mask was a sadist who tortured Selina Kyle's sister and brother-in-law, forcing Maggie into cannibalism, and oh yeah, he also killed Stephanie Brown (until comics resurrected her)?

But no, this happy gay guy with shades and a disturbing hand fixation is Black Mask now. That's cool. Yup.

[Leo656]

I 'Membah.

I actually like Squad just fine for what it is - I mostly just see it as the DCU version of The Expendables and think anyone who expected anything more than that wasn't really being realistic - but this looks absolutely dreadful. I thought Robbie as Harley was a slam-dunk but this is just too much of a good thing.

If I ended up seeing this, I can totally see me never wanting to see Margot Robbie in anything else ever again by the end of it.

[Andrew NDB]

mnsahVaa_0Q

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I 'Membah.

I actually like Squad just fine for what it is - I mostly just see it as the DCU version of The Expendables and think anyone who expected anything more than that wasn't really being realistic - but this looks absolutely dreadful. I thought Robbie as Harley was a slam-dunk but this is just too much of a good thing.

If I ended up seeing this, I can totally see me never wanting to see Margot Robbie in anything else ever again by the end of it.

Margot Robbie was one of the BEST things from Suicide Squad. But man, she is really going full Deadpool and hijacking this franchise. And I am not okay with that.

I'm also not okay with turning Cassandra Cain, badass mute child soldier, into a chubby little skater brat with a fvcking cast. :trolleye:

[Andrew NDB]

I'm also not okay with turning Cassandra Cain, badass mute child soldier, into a chubby little skater brat with a fvcking cast. :trolleye:

Yeah, and something tells me she doesn't have a secret past where she was raised to be a ninja assassin.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, and something tells me she doesn't have a secret past where she was raised to be a ninja assassin.

Hell no. This is some random street kid who likes Snickers bars a little too much and has confidence issues.

For fvck's sake.

[CyberCubed]

Black Mask is a homosexual in this movie? This is the first time I’m hearing this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Black Mask is a homosexual in this movie? This is the first time I’m hearing this.

Do you even know who Black Mask is, homie? He's not in the 90's cartoon, and you say you don't read comics. :tlol:

[CyberCubed]

He was in the Batman Arkham videogame, City and Origin. Also in The Batman cartoon from 2003 which I saw as a teenager.

I wonder why Black Mask was never in B:TAS.

[ProphetofGanja]

I don’t think he’d been created yet

[CyberCubed]

According to wiki Black Mask debuted in 1985 so yeah he pre-dates the show. Fun fact Bane debuted in the comics at the same time the cartoon was airing and they managed to include him.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I remember him in some pre-Knightfall stuff. He was pretty different from how they made him later on... though I suspect no version of him is going to bear any resemblance with whatever McGregor is being asked to do.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, I remember him in some pre-Knightfall stuff. He was pretty different from how they made him later on... though I suspect no version of him is going to bear any resemblance with whatever McGregor is being asked to do.

Definitely not.

Although I suspect they're going to lean into the gimp angle the New 52 went with. He even had a gimp mask instead of a skull mask for awhile. Yippee. :trolleye:

[Candy Kappa]

Black Mask in Under the Red Hood is the best Black Mask, if he got some moments from that comic I'm good.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Black Mask in Under the Red Hood is the best Black Mask, if he got some moments from that comic I'm good.

I do love that animated movie something fierce. :tlol:

[sdp]

I'm fine with Harley being in the birds of prey even if it's a new line up, i can overlook that yeah she has no real powers except being popular. The movie looks awful though, Suicide Squad looked good and turned out great, all this has is Harley going for it but at the very least suicide squad had more interestin characters/actors that made you push through the movie, here all I see is harley.

[Leo656]

WB obviously never heard that there's such a thing as too much birthday cake.

I imagine that they made a killing at Hot Topic on Harley merch when Squad came out, which is pretty much why this thing is happening and going the way it's going. That's how WB operates; something gets a little bit of positive buzz, they overkill it and cram it down everyone's throats until they're sick of it. It's all they know how to do.
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Yeah, Black Mask has been around since the 80s (I actually have his first appearance issue) but he wasn't a heavy hitter until way later on. He was like a "forgotten villain" until War Games, at which point his first appearance book caught fire since he was suddenly like, the main non-Joker Batman villain.

[MikeandRaph87]

I don’t think he’d been created yet

He debuted in a three part Batman/Detective Comics x-over created by Douge Moench. He was used like most villains in Batman#400's "Resurrection Night" the following year. After that he disappeared until Doug used him for a second story just before the longwidening Kngihtfall storyline in 1993, seven years later and nearly a decade after his last significant appearance. So if his creator did not bring him out of obscurity and use him not once but twice more ( he appeared in #518/519 too also by Moench) Black Mask would have been forgotten after Batman#400.

Though the above is correct Black Mask was minor until he rose to prominence in War Games temporarily taking over the Gotham Underworld and becoming a scrooge to Spoiler and Catwoman. This is where his mask was made into a black version of The Red Skull instead of the slick ebony mask that he work. This also gave him enough attention to give us my favorite episode of The Batman.

[Autbot_Benz]

Birds of Prey: Ewan McGregor Says Black Mask is the Perfect Villain for "The Time of Trump"

The first trailer for Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) introduced audiences to its ragtag ensemble of characters earlier this month -- including Roman Sionis/Black Mask (Ewan McGregor). As one of the most ruthless crime lords to haunt Gotham City, Sionis is expected to present quite a threat for the Birds of Prey, and it sounds like his character will have some interesting nuance. In a recent interview with Men's Journal, McGregor spoke about his role as Sionis, who he describes as the perfect villain for “the Time of Trump.”

"[He is] an absolute narcissist,” McGregor explained, “spoiled in his upbringing to the point of having no contact with what life or people are about, who has a skin this thin and wants nothing more than to be the center of attention.”

According to Chris Messina, who co-stars as Sionis' right-hand man, Victor Zsasz, this set-up succeeds because of how dynamic of a performance McGregor gives.

“He’s an incredible villain because he’s so likable and he’s so seducing,” Messina revealed. “You’re like, I like him, he’s cute, it’s fun being in his world. And then he’ll bite your leg off. He has these incredible turns of violence, this ferocious quality. There are a couple of moments in the movie where he rages that he really went there, and you could hear a pin drop. Then he would turn on a dime and then go back to the charm of the character.”

McGregor also addressed a theory surrounding his and Messina's characters, which is that the pair will ultimately be romantically involved with each other.

“I don’t want to give anything away, but that’s a fun theory," McGregor revealed. "We definitely have a very interesting bond.”

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/10/25/birds-of-prey-spoilers-movie-2020-villain-black-mask-ewan-mcgregor/

[Leo656]

"This deal is getting worse all the time...!"

[Powder]

Birds of Prey: Ewan McGregor Says Black Mask is the Perfect Villain for "The Time of Trump"


Rent free.

[MikeandRaph87]

"This deal is getting worse all the time...!"

Yeah,its sad that as a big of a Bat Rogue fan as I am I am skipping out on BLack Mask and Mr. Zssz's film debuts. There are always the Wonder Woman and Aquaman sequels.

[Leo656]

Zsasz was in Batman Begins. He was also a Boss Encounter in the video game adaptation (which is actually pretty good). So while it was rather small, it definitely counts as his film debut.

[MikeandRaph87]

Zsasz was in Batman Begins. He was also a Boss Encounter in the video game adaptation (which is actually pretty good). So while it was rather small, it definitely counts as his film debut.

I knew someone would bring it up, but I hardly count it as an appearance.

Bane fans have yet to see him as something more than a lackey in other media.

[Leo656]

I'unno about all that. Pretty nitpicky. I mean, you have a point, BUT, they definitely still count.

Zsasz was mentioned by his full name, had the tally marks, and brandished a knife. No, he wasn't wearing a tuxedo and top hat, but that wouldn't have played well in the Nolan-verse. Clothing and beard aside it was as accurate as it needed to be, and those thing are superficial. And again, he had a sizeable appearance in the video game, so I really can't argue that this appearance of Szasz should be dismissed. They obviously spent a lot of time on him. Still an extended cameo, sure, but I'd argue that it definitely still counts.

Bane... yeah, they always get his personality wrong, but even most comic book writers do, anymore. I think "criminal mastermind" Bane is ultimately going to be the outlier, even though that's what he was initially created to be. Most writers can't think past, "Big Guy = Dumb Muscle", so while I agree that's wrong, in the Big Picture we're going to be outvoted on that. For what it's worth, the Jeep Swenson version of Bane WAS as visually-accurate as we're ever going to get, even though the portrayal was terrible, and the version in DKR was close enough in personality and mannerisms. They're both "off" but it's silly to say they don't count. I'd go so far as to say we are NEVER going to see an accurate live-action Bane, because most people only know him from the cartoons, which didn't use him well on account of Paul Dini and Bruce Timm actively hating the character. But I would never say those two film appearances "don't count" just because they're not perfect. They absolutely count, they just should have been better.

I mean, consider Zod in Superman II. That's... that's NOT Zod, at all. Absolutely NO version of Zod in the comics has ever looked or acted like the one played by Terrance Stamp (or even Michael Shannon, for that matter). I mean yeah, in more recent years they've drawn him with a beard, but he still doesn't go around all poncy demanding people "Kneel!" and all that, never has. Historically, he's pretty much just been drawn to resemble a bald M. Bison. :lol: But Stamp's version of Zod is one of the most memorable and iconic villains in ALL of film; even though I have huge, HUGE problems with Superman II as a film, Stamp as Zod is inarguably one of the best parts. But he didn't look like "Zod", didn't act like "Zod", and neither did Michael Shannon. Both did a great job, though. Is it right or fair to say, "Well, we still haven't seen Zod in a movie", based on that? I don't think so.

I mean, I totally hear you. I'm famously as purist as it gets. But even I just have to shrug and say "Eh, close enough," sometimes. Therefore, I definitely count the prior film appearances of Zsasz and Bane, even though they maybe could have been better.
--------------------------------

Although, Jesus... HOW incredible would a movie based on the 4-issue "The Last Arkham" storyline be? I know you know the one I mean. :) That movie writes itself. It might have to be R for violence and "disturbing imagery" but holy sh*t, I honestly can't think of any singular comic book arc that better lends itself to a Batman film. You'd even get to have the big "Batman vs. Everyone" battle royale 2/3s of the way through, plus an epic detective story. It's got everything. If I had $200 million to make a Batman movie, that's the one I'd make, no question.

[Sumac]

"[He is] an absolute narcissist,” McGregor explained, “spoiled in his upbringing to the point of having no contact with what life or people are about, who has a skin this thin and wants nothing more than to be the center of attention.”
Mister McGregor failed to notice that this describes internet-lefties / socialists / SJWs / whatever you call them, to a "T". Narcissists, who wants the whole world to go around them and pander to their insane demands. :roll:
The main difference between those people and Trump is that the latter is not a failure of a human being.

[Autbot_Benz]

we got new posters for this feminist circlejerk trainwreck of a movie

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/05/birds-of-prey-movie-spoilers-characters-posters-harley-quinn/#2

#notmyblackcanary

[Autbot_Benz]

The footage and the cast explodes with unapologetic feminism — something we haven’t seen in a comic book film before. Robbie adds that it was great to have Yan on board to bring a fresh female perspective to the narrative. “It felt right,” she added. “It was so much fun.”

And just because its a female-driven superhero pic primarily made for women and by women, Robbie insists that “feminism isn’t just for the ladies”. She assures, “Dudes can be feminist too!”

https://deadline.com/2019/12/birds-of-prey-margot-robbie-cathy-yan-jurnee-smollett-bell-mary-elisabeth-winstead-ella-jay-basco-rosie-perez-cathy-yan-ccxp-brazil-comic-con-1202801899/

Do they want Males to see this movie or not?

[AquaParade]

The footage and the cast explodes with unapologetic feminism — something we haven’t seen in a comic book film before. Robbie adds that it was great to have Yan on board to bring a fresh female perspective to the narrative. “It felt right,” she added. “It was so much fun.”

And just because its a female-driven superhero pic primarily made for women and by women, Robbie insists that “feminism isn’t just for the ladies”. She assures, “Dudes can be feminist too!”

https://deadline.com/2019/12/birds-of-prey-margot-robbie-cathy-yan-jurnee-smollett-bell-mary-elisabeth-winstead-ella-jay-basco-rosie-perez-cathy-yan-ccxp-brazil-comic-con-1202801899/

Do they want Males to see this movie or not?

I love equality but this sounds preachy already. Gross.

[Sumac]

Most of people who loudly proclaim themselves to be "male feminists" are either losers who want to get some pussy for good boy behavior or perverts. On the other hand, if normal people won't watch this trainwreck, at least those groups might get interested.

"Fresh female perspective", huh? We've seen this kind of thing with Ghostbusters'16 and with Charlie Angels recently. Didn't work out well.

[TommyT]

Why all the crying over this stupid film? Harley, Black Canary, and Huntress?

F list characters, who gives a ****? It was never going to be a film for men.

[Autbot_Benz]

Why all the crying over this stupid film? Harley, Black Canary, and Huntress?

F list characters, who gives a ****? It was never going to be a film for men.

Harley canary and huntress are not f list characters. Huntress is in batman comics a lot and was a member of the justice league and the birds of prey.

Canary is/was green arrows girlfriend/wife member of the justice league and birds of prey member. Harley is super popular too just over saturated.

Also the 3 of them have been featured in many cartoons and 2 of them were in Arrow

[AquaParade]

Why all the crying over this stupid film? Harley, Black Canary, and Huntress?

F list characters, who gives a ****? It was never going to be a film for men.

Hmm.

Fair point.

Sometimes you just wanna share your opinion though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I can't speak for everyone, but speaking for myself, it's not that this film is starring an all female cast, or that it's aiming at female audiences.

But you could do all of that, AND STILL BE TRUE TO THE COMICS AND THE CHARACTERS.

You could have an all-female cast, appealing to female audiences and male audiences alike, by making a Gotham City Sirens movie starring Harley, Catwoman, and Poison Ivy. Or you could make an ACCURATE Birds of Prey movie starring Barbara Gordon, Black Canary, Huntress, Cassandra Cain, and sure, throw in Harley Quinn, too.

THIS film, though? THIS film is garbage.

[Autbot_Benz]

Gotta love being called racist on Twitter cause I call black black canary fake canary. Dinah's has always been white. They only race changed her to be inclusive

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Gotta love being called racist on Twitter cause I call black black canary fake canary. Dinah's has always been white. They only race changed her to be inclusive

If they needed a black Bird of Prey, why not Vixen?

[Autbot_Benz]

If they needed a black Bird of Prey, why not Vixen?

Exactly. I love vixen

[Sumac]

If they needed a black Bird of Prey, why not Vixen?
It's not progressive to include already black character.
It is progressive to take white character and make them black.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's not progressive to include already black character.
It is progressive to take white character and make them black.

Dammit, you're right. :tlol:

[Leo656]

Race-flipping and gender-flipping are the absolute trashiest forms of cheap heat. Not acceptable.

[Andrew NDB]

It comes from a dishonest place. It's like they're admitting without saying: "OK, we'll level with you. We know audiences won't follow this brand new ____ (insert race thing and/or LGBTQ thing) character on its own right, so we have to override an existing character and try to poach that character's followers."

Why not just make a really cool ____ (insert race thing and/or LGBTQ thing) new character and put all of your effort into it? If it fails it fails. Let it succeed or fail on its own graces, not on the back of some other pre-existing character's legacy.

[ZariusTwo]

x3HbbzHK5Mc

[Andrew NDB]

Yeesh. And yikes.

[Autbot_Benz]

This movie looks like if you took Suicide Squad and Feminism and threw it in a blender and hit frappe.


I hope this movie bombs at the box office but knowing the idiot dc movie fans who will see anything DC puts out it won't.

Also Black Canary isn't black #notmyblackcanary :x

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

#nooraclenomoney

Fvck off.

Also, forget Black Canary... THAT AIN'T FVCKING CASSANDRA CAIN.

[Andrew NDB]

This should not be awarded with money. That's all I'll say on this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This should not be awarded with money. That's all I'll say on this.

Unfortunately, I doubt comic fans' money will mean much in this movie making bank.

But I will not compromise my long-held Batman views.

Two strikes, don't need no fvcking third. No Oracle, terrible "Cassandra Cain."

[Autbot_Benz]

Thanks to this movie we get a comic too

https://i.imgur.com/OnA65XE.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Thanks to this movie we get a comic too

https://i.imgur.com/OnA65XE.jpg

The comic can go fvck itself, too.

[CyberCubed]

I checked tumblr, twitter and resetera and they all love the trailer. I guess it’s targeting a specific group of people.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I checked tumblr, twitter and resetera and they all love the trailer. I guess it’s targeting a specific group of people.

Resetera? What the fvck is that?

Not surprised Tumblr and Twitter love it though. This movie will make bank and piss me off with its existence, no doubt about it.

$hit, it'll get a sequel.

[Andrew NDB]

I checked tumblr, twitter and resetera and they all love the trailer. I guess it’s targeting a specific group of people.

Angry woke people and feminists?

[Autbot_Benz]

I checked tumblr, twitter and resetera and they all love the trailer. I guess it’s targeting a specific group of people.

Of course twitter loved it that's the cespool of DC Movie fans who will like anything DC Poops out. Yet they have never read a damn comic in their life.

[Leo656]

Of course twitter loved it that's the cespool of DC Movie fans who will like anything DC Poops out.

That group of people doesn't exist. They don't have a Marvel-style group of "I'll buy anything!" movie fans. Otherwise "Shazam!" would have done a LOT better than it did because it was actually pretty good.

If there were such a group of "fans", I'd likely be in it, BUT, I think this looks terrible and I don't think "The Batman" will be any better. I plan to skip both. I know a lot of DC "loyalists" but I personally don't know anyone in Real Life who thinks THIS looks like anything but junk.

WB tried skewing ultra-faithful for a while, people thought it was "too dark", so now with this movie and "The Batman" they're leaning hard as far away from the comics as they possibly can to see if they can make up the difference with the same Tumblr-istas who drool over their awful CW shows.

If it does well, it'll be because of the "pink-hairs" and such. And I can see that happening, but I can also see it doing poorly simply because nobody knows who these characters are (and those who do care, like Cylons and myself, are annoyed at how wrong they're getting it).

We'll see. Looks like sh*t to me, my wife thinks it looks "funny". :roll: Matter of fact, most of the positive comments on FB I see are from women, so if it makes money, maybe we can all just finally agree that chicks have bad taste? :trazz:

[AquaParade]

You couldn't pay me to see this.

What I will say is that I think it's great how varied DC's slate is becoming. Joker, Birds of Prey, and Aquaman are all unique to one another. Thank god there is a studio willing to take chances on unique types of comicbook movies. I suppose they didn't have much choice a few years ago, because nothing would stick, but they now seem comfortable branching out. Good for them.

I love the MCU and I respect that a shared universe benefits from a certain level of cohesiveness, which I feel they've achieved well. I don't really buy the idea that their films are as varied as they claim they are, but I think what they have works for them wonderfully, so far. If they are to have a shift in tone, it should probably come gradually, across a series of movies.

Anyways, yeah, happy for anyone who wants to see this, because at least it unique within the DC slate. BTW, does anyone here actually want to see it?

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe all of the women who didn't show up for Ghostbusters 2016 and the new Charlie's Angels will similarly not disappoint? Because there's nothing in the movie for dudes.

It's like a snowball of terrible ideas made into one. A gay, whimsical Black Mask? Harley Quinn LEADING the Birds of Prey? No Barbara Gordon? Cassandra Cain in name only? No costumes?