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Refractive Reflections

11-30-2017, 09:13 PM

I'm not at all surprised with Matt Lauer. I loathed him way before this scandal broke out, he's vastly overpaid ($20-25 million/year) and unbelievably arrogant and vindictive. There were subtle signs of his sexual harassment (in the second video seen below), but include that behavior with his massive ego (especially in getting Anne Curry kicked out of the Today show), his alleged domineering and abusive behavior toward his estranged wife, and how NBC was allegedly catering to Lauer's demands and tolerating his inappropriate sexual behavior since he brought in the viewership, it was certainly going to escalate to a massive fallout.

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I am just sick of Left hypocrisy.
They fighting for something good, but some of them doing it in such way that it alienates and puzzles everyone. And despite their claims that they are "morally and intellectually" superior to the Right, they gladly use Rights rhetoric and methods when convenient, including fear-mongering, denial of reality and science, and the like.

I am liberal in many of my beliefs and hearing those people saying that they want to do something good, while at the same time acting not all that different from those who they say, they are fighting against, saddens and infuriates me.

Pretty much this, except to add more insult to injury, (with my last post) it's not as if this behavior wasn't known or only rumored, like almost all of these allegations on this thread. These allegations have been publicly reported, and mentioned in the mainstream media 20 years ago. With the mainstream media now having an epiphany that Bill Clinton's behavior should now be re-examined as now suddenly an egregious, reprehensible wrong, including the beyond coincidental timing, adds another layer of distrust and disgust.

In a far worse example of the entertainment/media industry twisting the moral perspective of sexual criminal behavior, is of Roman Polanski, when he was arrested and charged for raping a 13-year old girl in 1977 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case), yet he has a standing ovation for a 2003 Oscar win by many A-listers:
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Katie

11-30-2017, 11:17 PM

I’m sick of this being discussed as a political issue. It’s not. Its an issue of people who are narcissistic and who feel like they are untouchable for punishment because of the power they hold. Just happens that a lot of Hollywood and Washington folks fit that description.

Who gives a flying f@ck which part of the political spectrum they are on. Punish everyone who thinks they can do this and get away with it.

It isn’t a right issue or left issue. Its a culture of a$$holes of both persuasions who think they are above everyone else.

Stop talking about this as a political issue.

Refractive Reflections

12-01-2017, 08:42 AM

The virtue-signalling is so conspicuous here.

If the media wasn't so selective about who deserves public condemnation, and at what time, it wouldn't have political/business implications or have the public's festering mistrust of the media.

Take for example when NBC decided not to run the Harvey Weinstein and kept dragging its feet, and Ronan Farrow had to go to the New Yorker to get the story out.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-badly-did-nbc-news-blow-the-weinstein-story
http://deadline.com/2017/11/ronan-farrow-stephen-colbert-harvey-weinstein-report-lawyers-pr-machine-kept-quiet-video-1202201511/

Or when a former ex-girlfriend of Trump's has to publicly hit back at the New York Times story, about how they spun her experience about Trump as a negative one.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ex-trump-girlfriend-new-york-times-223205

...Yeah, in a perfect world it would be nice for all of these individuals to be "called out and punished", but when you have corporate-driven mainstream media having the power to sway public perception so broadly about these powerful individuals, how can one not assume there are implications behind it?

plastroncafe

12-01-2017, 09:08 AM

Yes, we know your virtue signalling is conspicuous, there's no need to lamp-shade it further.

Sumac

12-01-2017, 09:35 AM

Yes, we know your virtue signalling is conspicuous, there's no need to lamp-shade it further.
Reality, where both conservatives and liberals manipulate news stream in order to control people, hurts feelings of "progressives" like you? Who could have guessed? :roll:

Or you seriously have thought, in your young naivety, that only "republicans / conservatives" are so vile and petty to use things like this to advance their message?
Bad news for you, pumpkin.

IndigoErth

12-01-2017, 04:36 PM

Most here should have outgrown "young naivety" years ago. Pretty sure PlastronCafe is at least as old as I am...

I’m sick of this being discussed as a political issue. It’s not. Its an issue of people who are narcissistic and who feel like they are untouchable for punishment because of the power they hold. Just happens that a lot of Hollywood and Washington folks fit that description.

Who gives a flying f@ck which part of the political spectrum they are on. Punish everyone who thinks they can do this and get away with it.

It isn’t a right issue or left issue. Its a culture of a$$holes of both persuasions who think they are above everyone else.

Stop talking about this as a political issue.
Preach it, sister.

Likewise. I'm tired of it being used as a tool to try to condemn a side, and then the person doing the condemning conveniently ignores what's gone on in the side they claim allegiance to. :roll: Meanwhile, the change that needs to happen in this society isn't given as much of the focus as it should.

plastroncafe

12-01-2017, 04:54 PM

Most here should have outgrown "young naivety" years ago. Pretty sure PlastronCafe is at least as old as I am...

Possibly older.
I'm old as balls.

Sumac

12-01-2017, 06:42 PM

Most here should have outgrown "young naivety" years ago. Pretty sure PlastronCafe is at least as old as I am...
Age of body, doesn't necessarily correlate with the age of mind.

Likewise. I'm tired of it being used as a tool to try to condemn a side, and then the person doing the condemning conveniently ignores what's gone on in the side they claim allegiance to. :roll: Meanwhile, the change that needs to happen in this society isn't given as much of the focus as it should.
It's easier to call everyone who disagrees with you troll and scare everyone with "evil people in our ranks", than bringing a real change.
Need less energy and more "fun". At least in Internet.

Refractive Reflections

12-02-2017, 04:08 AM

Yes, we know your virtue signalling is conspicuous, there's no need to lamp-shade it further.

You don't have to reinforce how oblivious you are to things, or of yourself, you already demonstrated that earlier (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1620476&postcount=2651).

So instead of discussing the media's bias and selectivity being a big reason as to why accusers are afraid of coming out in the first place, this thread is just going to restate the obvious, of how bad harassment/assault is, and have some here show off how virtuous they are in posting that all perpetrators need to be punished (aka virtue-signalling (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=virtue+signalling)), rather than a more fruitful discussion in actively discussing how to reassess what the media states, hold the entertainment/media industry to some form of accountability, and how to carefully consume their polished, finished products?

Are we going to ignore the fact that NBC was dragging its feet about Weinstein? And still put these corporate-driven mainstream news organizations on a pedestal of journalistic integrity? It's no wonder NBC wanted to break news about Lauer being fired first, as a PR image tactic to avoid even more criticism, after sitting on the Weinstein case.

I mean you have an entertainment/media industry which was able to persuade a sizeable amount of Hollywood that Roman Polanski was worth a standing ovation, a man who was arrested and charged for raping a 13 year old girl, and fled the United States when he knew the judge was going to reject the plea deal for the crime. To state that entertainment/media did not have a hand in whitewashing his image (and that they don't have the power to do that with other individuals), is pure ignorance to say the least.

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Andrew NDB

12-02-2017, 02:12 PM

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http://cdn3.darkhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/bryan-singer-to-direct-foxs-x-men-pilot.jpg

Read all about it here:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/producer-bryan-singer-accused-sexual-misconduct-015929533.html

http://forward.com/schmooze/386764/x-men-director-bryan-singer-faces-multiple-accusations-of-sexual-harassment/

Hot off the press.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/bryan-singers-queen-biopic-suspended/

Bryan Singer's Queen movie shuts down under murky circumstances.

plastroncafe

12-02-2017, 02:46 PM

I'll admit that Polanski was/is gross.
I'll also cop to the fact that people who are close with someone often times find it difficult to reconcile the person they love with someone capable of doing something horrid.

Which doesn't mean we don't hold them accountable for their words and actions, but at least begins to explain why they do and say what they do and say.

And I think we need to have compassion for those people caught unawares.
I don't believe such compassion should be extended to those in the know who overlook such behavior, but for someone reeling from the aftermath of an explosion like this? Yeah...I think we should maybe give them some time to process before we shove a microphone in their face and ask them how they feel.

And while folks can maintain that talking about this, and condemning this sort of thing online, doesn't actually exert any change....I respectfully disagree.
Changing the culture means changing the conversation. It means having the conversation in the first place.

It means calling out folks who demean others all the time, and not just when it's politically expedient. It means holding people accountable for their Locker Room Talk. It means reminding them that this kind of behavior won't be tolerated, and in doing so it tells victims of such abuse that they're not alone.

It means taking women like Megan Fox seriously when they say they have issues with a certain director, and not cast aspersions her way.

The media is a reflection of us.
Not liking the reflection isn't just the fault of the mirror.

Refractive Reflections

12-03-2017, 02:44 AM

Thank you... this is the deeper conversation I was looking for.

While I agree on almost all points, that conversation is needed and the culture does need self-reflection, the problem that I'm referring to is the "calling out" aspect of your argument. That's the aspect which I'm strongly criticizing, when you have people in power (with their own business and political motivations) that can broadly influence the public through media/entertainment as to what selectively needs to be "called out" and "deserves" public outrage, then that's a troubling sign of just how influential media/entertainment is over the masses, especially in cases as vile as sexual harassment/assault. ...And if they can influence the public to just the right extent, in the minds of the public, it was if the behavior/crime was never committed at all, and the accusers were not credible; since ultimately public reputation is what can make/break careers and lives.

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While entertainment/media has the "freedom of speech" right to state their viewpoints and what gets aired, it's very difficult to take their posturing of integrity and virtue seriously against their ideological opponents, when they have incidents of habitually covering up their own (or business/political allies) who have done similar acts. For example, in comparing the Access Hollywood tapes during the 2016 election (Access Hollywood is owned by NBC-Universal, and owned by Comcast) and the supposed "shock" of this behavior, and the problem with the NBC-Lauer incident stating that this is the first time they heard of a "complaint", but there are clips and behavior which make it obvious that the sexual harassment culture was evident to many in the organization (in the below clip). In addition to NBC dragging its feet to run the Weinstein story. Yet some in the public still place NBC as having the journalistic integrity and societal power to decide what deserves outrage and condemnation, by the public going back to viewing and accepting their NBC news programs at face value?

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Should we (the public) be surprised that big business wants to protect their own? Not really... but as consumers of entertainment/media, choosing to go back to these big media conglomerates (since only 5 companies control 90% of American entertainment/media (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_cross-ownership_in_the_United_States#Top_Five*)) through viewership, taking their news reports at face value, or by seeing their shows/movies, aren't we also condoning their behavior as well? ...Since ultimately it's the financial bottom line that's important to these corporations, and would make the deepest impact.

Bry

12-03-2017, 08:20 AM

I'm tired of it being used as a tool to try to condemn a side, and then the person doing the condemning conveniently ignores what's gone on in the side they claim allegiance to. :roll: Meanwhile, the change that needs to happen in this society isn't given as much of the focus as it should.

Bingo. There's an absolute ton of that here (and everywhere), and a total lack of self-awareness from those who would use systemic issues of abuse as an excuse to grind their preferred axe.

(And the same goes for those who complain about "getting political" in topics every time someone expresses a view they don't like, yet stay silent or even contribute when the conversation agrees with their own views. Hrm.)

Are we going to ignore the fact that NBC was dragging its feet about Weinstein? And still put these corporate-driven mainstream news organizations on a pedestal of journalistic integrity? It's no wonder NBC wanted to break news about Lauer being fired first, as a PR image tactic to avoid even more criticism, after sitting on the Weinstein case.

NBC also allegedly sits on footage of Trump making racist statements from "The Apprentice".

NBC also owns and distributes "Access Hollywood". The AH tape of Trump admitting to sexually assaulting women was made in 2005. They sat on that for... what, 11 years?

Fox News protected Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly for over a decade, even though their constant sexual harrassment/abuse was well known in the company.

Both major political parties have protected countless politicians over the years. The Catholic Church has protected priests who've molested children time and again. Corporate executives (and other company men) are famously protected from workplace sexual harrassment and abuse. And on and on it goes...

Systems of power protect powerful men. No matter what "side" they're on, no matter what business or industry.

ProphetofGanja

12-03-2017, 08:29 AM

I think that when receiving any information from "the mainstream media" it's vital to keep in mind how consolidated ownership has become, and thus how susceptible stories broadcast through MSM outlets are to being spun a certain way

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plastroncafe

12-03-2017, 09:36 AM

Agreed.
The onus is on us as consumers to be responsible of that which we consume.

For me one of the larger issues of this thread is the feigned outrage by people who perpetuate the same kind of culture that makes harassers feel comfortable in harassing.

If this stuff didn't exist in the wild, the media would have nothing to report on.

Papenbrook

12-03-2017, 10:16 AM

Andrew NDB

12-03-2017, 01:05 PM

For me one of the larger issues of this thread is the feigned outrage by people who perpetuate the same kind of culture that makes harassers feel comfortable in harassing.

It's true. The closest thing I've seen is the Harambe thing, where everyone competes to see who can pull off being the most upset about his demise.

Andrew NDB

12-04-2017, 05:22 PM

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More on Bryan Singer's self-destruction and firing on the set of the "Queen" movie. Sexual allegations or not, he's definitely never working for Fox again after this:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/bryan-singer-fired-directing-queen-biopic-set-chaos-1063977?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

TigerClaw

12-04-2017, 05:50 PM

Shark_Blade

12-04-2017, 05:52 PM

Yeah, Rami Malek is one of the nicest guys in town. For him to complain about Bryan Singer to Fox says a lot about that set.... X-Men films are ruined a bit for me now because of his stupid behaviour :/

Spike Spiegel

12-05-2017, 12:22 PM

plastroncafe

12-05-2017, 12:56 PM

You mean they weren't ruined already?:lol:

The casting departments did their job?
That's literally the best silver lining I got wrt the X-movies.
Aside from a few scenes in each, and the entirety of Logan.

ZariusTwo

12-05-2017, 01:11 PM

Danny Masterson, come on down

http://people.com/tv/danny-masterson-fired-netflix-sexual-assault-allegations/

Andrew NDB

12-05-2017, 02:12 PM

Shark_Blade

12-05-2017, 06:03 PM

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Uh oh, the first female assaulter, Melanie Martinez from The Voice:
https://tvweb.com/melanie-martinez-accused-sexual-assault-voice-contestant/Geez those intimate details being put out in the open like that...

The accuser haven't file any formal charge nor is there any sentencing, so I'm staying out of this one for now.

You mean they weren't ruined already?:lol:Well the later ones a bit messy (except Day of Future Past which is excellent imo).

Best one for me is the first X-Men as the premise is quite simple and straight to the point. Rogue being my fav and had enormous potential. Later films she's like non-existent, what a waste.

The casting departments did their job?
That's literally the best silver lining I got wrt the X-movies.
Aside from a few scenes in each, and the entirety of Logan.

Yeah, but the casting in X3... Well let's just say that whole movie is messed up.

Andrew NDB

12-05-2017, 06:25 PM

Geez those intimate details being put out in the open like that...

The accuser haven't file any formal charge nor is there any sentencing, so I'm staying out of this one for now.

But that's like 99.9% of all the other accusers of everyone so far. No formal charges and no sentencing.

Papenbrook

12-06-2017, 03:05 AM

Geez those intimate details being put out in the open like that...

The accuser haven't file any formal charge nor is there any sentencing, so I'm staying out of this one for now.

She (Melanie) has since admitted (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/melanie-martinez-of-the-voice-responds-to-rape-accusation/) it.

I hope that she's punished severely.

Andrew NDB

12-06-2017, 11:33 AM

She (Melanie) has since admitted (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/melanie-martinez-of-the-voice-responds-to-rape-accusation/) it.

It's not quite an admission. She's not saying it happened, she's just saying the other chick never said "no" about anything ever.

Although yeah. While the 70s Show Dude gets fired from a show because of allegations that became charges he was legally acquitted of years ago and other dudes are losing their shows/movies left and right over mere allegations... something is sure wonky if Melanie doesn't at least lose her record deal.

Sumac

12-06-2017, 11:38 AM

She (Melanie) has since admitted (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/melanie-martinez-of-the-voice-responds-to-rape-accusation/) it.

I hope that she's punished severely.
I presume you are not talking about just terminating the job or something like that?

Papenbrook

12-06-2017, 11:49 AM

I presume you are not talking about just terminating the job or something like that?

I hope that she loses her job, money, reputation - just about everything that she has ever gained from her singing career.

plastroncafe

12-06-2017, 12:55 PM

It's not quite an admission. She's not saying it happened, she's just saying the other chick never said "no" about anything ever.

Although yeah. While the 70s Show Dude gets fired from a show because of allegations that became charges he was legally acquitted of years ago and other dudes are losing their shows/movies left and right over mere allegations... something is sure wonky if Melanie doesn't at least lose her record deal.

Did either R Kelly or Chris Brown lose theirs?

As for the issue that she never said no...
Folks should be waiting for a yes, and not a no.
Yes shouldn't be the default answer when none is given, no should be.

Makes me think of this:
https://nigerian-empress.tumblr.com/post/154795254678/anotherrandomblogon-fear-is-not-consent-i

TurtleWA

12-06-2017, 05:08 PM

It will be interesting to see if Al Franken resigns tomorrow.

ProphetofGanja

12-06-2017, 05:10 PM

It will be interesting to see if Al Franken resigns tomorrow.

Didn't he already say he was going to?

TurtleWA

12-06-2017, 05:13 PM

Didn't he already say he was going to?

That would be news to me.

“Al Franken denies report he has decided to resign from the Senate.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/al-franken-denies-report-he-has-decided-to-resign-from-the-senate/

plastroncafe

12-06-2017, 05:24 PM

Didn't he already say he was going to?

Uh uh. He said he would cooperate with an investigation by the Congressional Ethics committee.
Regardless of whether he resigns, there should be an investigation.
If for no other reason than to set precedent.

ProphetofGanja

12-06-2017, 05:33 PM

Oh okay, I think I heard that erroneously reported NPR piece on the radio, then 4

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Papenbrook

12-07-2017, 10:32 AM

I just checked out Melanie Martinez's background/work information. She has a habit of sexualizing babies.

Th-That's disgusting. Just, how ... who the HELL does that?! Like, I ... just can't even, yo ... :(

This world is sick.

TigerClaw

12-07-2017, 10:54 AM

Senator Franken just announces that he's resigning on TV right now.

Sumac

12-07-2017, 12:45 PM

This world is sick.
Whatcha' gonna do? :roll:

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I hate when people make general stupid statements like this: "the world is sick", "humanity is disgusting", yeah, it's like you just arrived to the human world.
Like you have never interacted with human beings beyond your family. Like you have never watched news on TV. Like you have never studied history.

Humanity always had depraved shitheads, maniacs, rapists, abusers and the like since it was evolved from apes. And it's not like apes do not practice those things either.

If you so disgusted by humanity...well, I dunno, what to recommend to you. Go to the forest and live there alone. Others, who are good people, who outnumber idiots and creeps by a wide margin, will continue to improve on society bit by bit. But you, in your vehement disgust can continue to cry from a corner "everything is bad", "everyone are bad" and so on.
We see who will contribute to human civilization more.

Andrew NDB

12-07-2017, 08:30 PM

More Singer!!!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/bryan-singer-accused-of-raping-17-year-old-boy-in-2003/ar-BBGnugE?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UP97DHP

TurtleWA

12-09-2017, 02:16 PM

“Actress Accuses Dustin Hoffman of Sexual Harassment“

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/death-salesman-actress-accuses-dustin-215213508.html

Andrew NDB

12-11-2017, 06:54 PM

Next up is Trump! Any day now for sure the impeachment will come:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/11/politics/donald-trump-women-allegations/index.html

dl316bh

12-12-2017, 01:04 AM

Celebrity Chef Mario Bertali has been accused. He's actually come clean and admitted it's accurate.

https://ny.eater.com/2017/12/11/16759540/mario-batali-sexual-misconduct-allegations

Coola Yagami

12-12-2017, 10:34 AM

Next up is Trump! Any day now for sure the impeachment will come:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/11/politics/donald-trump-women-allegations/index.html

Naw, the world is too white to impeach Trump. People can deny it all they want but the main reason so many fought Obama every step of the way was cause he's black, but suddenly we got another old white guy in office and it's 'we all have to work together to make America great again'.

Sumac

12-12-2017, 10:42 AM

Coola Yagami

12-12-2017, 10:54 AM

EVUL Waite ppl.:roll:

I'm not saying all of em. Just the ones that were doing anything possible to keep Obama from doing his job and discrediting everything possible he did, and then welcome Trump with open arms where in their eyes he can do no wrong and he's the best thing that ever happened to this country.

Papenbrook

12-12-2017, 12:00 PM

Naw, the world is too white to impeach Trump. People can deny it all they want but the main reason so many fought Obama every step of the way was cause he's black, but suddenly we got another old white guy in office and it's 'we all have to work together to make America great again'.

The world doesn't revolve around North America, let alone the United States.

In fact, the world doesn't really gain much influence from Anglo Saxon countries, except (maybe) in culture.

Coola Yagami

12-12-2017, 01:10 PM

The world doesn't revolve around North America, let alone the United States.

In fact, the world doesn't really gain much influence from Anglo Saxon countries, except (maybe) in culture.

The problem is, America sure think it does. We need to stop being the world police and fix our own problems.

Sumac

12-12-2017, 01:12 PM

I'm not saying all of em. Just the ones that were doing anything possible to keep Obama from doing his job and discrediting everything possible he did, and then welcome Trump with open arms where in their eyes he can do no wrong and he's the best thing that ever happened to this country.
The problem is, GOP started to gain power during Obama, and I've read some interesting analysis, that it was Obama's administration politics, that made possible for Democrats to lose power to the GOP like they did. I am not saying that Obama was personally responsible for this, but he is not clear either.

Of course, Lefties overlook it, because, it breaks their narrative that Obama "done nothing wrong" and Trump just the result of half of a country suddenly (!!) going racist.
When in fact Trump is just a result of the divide and conflict in the country which was brewing for rather a long time and all governments before are responsible for this. Not just "white people".

Generally, in the history nothing happens "suddenly" - they all are results of some processes which have been started long time ago.

The world doesn't revolve around North America, let alone the United States.

In fact, the world doesn't really gain much influence from Anglo Saxon countries, except (maybe) in culture.
Ditto.

dl316bh

12-12-2017, 02:43 PM

The problem is, GOP started to gain power during Obama, and I've read some interesting analysis, that it was Obama's administration politics, that made possible for Democrats to lose power to the GOP like they did. I am not saying that Obama was personally responsible for this, but he is not clear either.
Eh, I don't know, major power flips are not uncommon in American politics, at least in modern times. The GOP were sitting pretty for the early 2000's riding off America collectively falling into hysteria over 9/11 before all the bulls*** of Bush finally caught up to them and everything flipped Democrat. Some of Obamas policies might have done this or that, sure, but it's a bit business as usual. The right changed during the Obama years into something that makes even old school conservatives nervous - to the point where guys like Bruce Bartlett think the whole thing has failed and the GOP needs to die (https://www.salon.com/2017/11/23/gop-insider-bruce-bartlett-the-republican-party-needs-to-die/) - but otherwise it wouldn't be completely unprecedented. It's not like the Democrats didn't have all three branches at the start of Obamas first term. This kind of thing tends to happen in cycles.

But you still do hit the nail on the head here:

Generally, in the history nothing happens "suddenly" - they all are results of some processes which have been started long time ago.
I'm generally convinced a lot of what happened comes down to Clinton era s*** catching up with them. They've been a pack of slobbering morons about the state game for about that long and the Clinton era was when they started pulling right to try and get more votes and getting wishy washy, which led to people feeling like they didn't really stand for anything (say what you want about the GOP, and I say a lot, but they do NOT have that problem, even if they're lying through their teeth about what they claim to stand for). They seem to have realized the state game problem - hell, Obama himself realized it was an issue a few years back, but the party at large didn't really get it until 2016 happened and they had little to fall back on - but time will tell about the message.

So yeah, stuff that started a long time ago bit them in the ass. This sort of thing builds until it reaches a breaking point.

Sumac

12-12-2017, 04:04 PM

I'm generally convinced a lot of what happened comes down to Clinton era s*** catching up with them.
In general, the whole thing is a result of crumble of the bipolar world.

US without a rival, felt itself like a champion of the world and failed to find a new "ideology" for a time being. And then failed to be the "champion" of the world.

9/11 gave US much needed ideology and a "goal", but as it usually happens with addicts, they doubled down on the new "us vs them" ideology, taking it to absurd levels of idiocy.

And the whole division between liberals and conservatives, has become even more crazy, due to the new found insanity of GOP and liberals feeling like they should answer in kind, which led to the state of US politics we have now.

TigerClaw

12-12-2017, 04:20 PM

Several former NFL Stars have been suspended by ESPN and NFL Network, over Sexual Harassment allegations.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/12/media/nfl-network-sexual-harassment-marshall-faulk-warren-sapp/index.html

dl316bh

12-12-2017, 05:42 PM

And the whole division between liberals and conservatives, has become even more crazy, due to the new found insanity of GOP and liberals feeling like they should answer in kind, which led to the state of US politics we have now.
I mean, you talk like that isn't just how politics are, especially here in America, when a cursory glance at US history will show this s*** just happens every now and again. It has been this bad before and always has the capacity to get this bad, the vitriol just waxes and wanes. Time and typically taught history has sandblasted the rough edges of the founding of America to the point that a lot of people forget how bitterly divided things were even back then, to the point they were basically calling each other the days equivalent of communists and fascists (https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-american-politics-and-government-has-always-been-dysfunctional). Hell, you want some real sleazy political mudslinging, read up on the Adams/Jackson election sometime (https://www.alternet.org/culture/dirtiest-presidential-campaign-history-might-surprise-you). Jackson accused Adams of being a straight up pimp and Adams said Jacksons mother was a prostitute, on top of all the adultery charges. Then you get to the really obvious era when, a hundred and sixty years ago, one senator caned another to near death over the issue of slavery in the time just before the Civil War broke out (https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm).

It sucks to see things as they are now and I think we're all waiting for moods to break and the wane period to come sometime soon, but it's worth everyone keeping in mind that this isn't something born of the modern era that hasn't happened before. There weren't any better days. Just peaks and valleys of divisiveness and anger.

Sumac

12-12-2017, 06:27 PM

I mean, you talk like that isn't just how politics are, especially here in America, when a cursory glance at US history will show this s*** just happens every now and again.
I've expected people to learn something-anything, after all of this years, but as always, no-one gives a **** about history or learning on mistakes of their predecessors.
Every generation thinks that they are the HOT TOPIC and smarter than anyone was before and they inevitably repeat they very same mistakes of the past. :D
Such is life, such is humanity.

Andrew NDB

12-13-2017, 02:54 PM

I don't know about this one... basically, one of Danny Masterson's accusers stalked Andy Yeatman (a Netflix executive) to where he was literally coaching a kids soccer match, then started badgering him about Danny Masterson to which the executive said that he "didn't believe her." Then Netflix fired him because of that.

Apparently now you can be fired for not believing in accusers, second hand, when they run up to you in your personal life? Weird. Are TV network executives expected to be arbiters of who is guilty and innocent, 24/7? Shouldn't that be up to the courts and judicial system?

https://tvweb.com/netflix-fires-executive-andy-yeatman-ranch-danny-masterson/

Like, I can just go and find some AMC executive playing golf somewhere, tell them that Norman Reedus grabbed my ass a year ago, and if they tell me to "F*** off" that executive will be fired by AMC? wtf... this is insanity.

MsMarvelDuckie

12-13-2017, 03:04 PM

Nope. It's just Hollywood. Close enough, though.

plastroncafe

12-13-2017, 03:06 PM

Andrew, did Norman Reedus grab your ass?
Were you asking for it?
What were you wearing?

Did you tell him no?

Sumac

12-13-2017, 03:24 PM

Like, I can just go and find some AMC executive playing golf somewhere, tell them that Norman Reedus grabbed my ass a year ago, and if they tell me to "F*** off" that executive will be fired by AMC? wtf... this is insanity.
Paranoia on a scale of society.

Of course, accusers words should come first, but there should be thorough investigation, if not by police, then by company itself, not just termination on the spot with no prove or whatnot.

TigerClaw

12-13-2017, 09:30 PM

Add Morgan Spurlock to the list, he just admitted to past sexual misconduct, he admits to paying off some women to keep quiet.
http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/13/morgan-spurlock-sexual-harassment-admits-problem-rape/

Spike Spiegel

12-14-2017, 10:47 AM

Nelly's Rape Case Dropped By Prosecutors (http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/13/nelly-alleged-rape-case-dropped-washington-state-tour-bus/?adid=hero5)

Nelly's fully off the hook now in that alleged rape in Washington State -- prosecutors say they can't proceed ... TMZ has learned.

The King County Prosecuting Attorney's Office tells us the alleged victim's refusal to cooperate made it impossible for them to go forward with charging Nelly with any crime.

As we reported ... the woman who originally claimed Nelly raped her on his tour bus told police she did not want to press charges. Her attorney said the pressure of accusing a huge star like Nelly was just too much for her client.

TurtleWA

12-15-2017, 03:57 PM

“Kansas congressional hopeful Andrea Ramsey drops out over 2005 harassment suit.”

“A female former executive running for Congress in Kansas has dropped out of the race over a 2005 federal lawsuit accusing her of sexually harassing a male employee whom she supervised.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-congress-hopeful-andrea-ramsey-drops-out-over-2005-harassment-suit/

TigerClaw

12-15-2017, 04:36 PM

Nelly's Rape Case Dropped By Prosecutors (http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/13/nelly-alleged-rape-case-dropped-washington-state-tour-bus/?adid=hero5)
Maybe those allegations were false? if the accuser refuses to proceed with the case, then it comes to question the legitimacy of those claims.

plastroncafe

12-15-2017, 04:39 PM

Maybe those allegations were false? if the accuser refuses to proceed with the case, then it comes to question the legitimacy of those claims.

That is certainly one way to metabolize the situation.

Another could be: She's already been victimized by him once, why put herself through a trial where she'll be re-victimized by him again and again.

dl316bh

12-15-2017, 08:15 PM

Another could be: She's already been victimized by him once, why put herself through a trial where she'll be re-victimized by him again and again.
That's a common reason people back out of things like this. They think they can handle dealing with it, but find they can't and back off. Happens in criminal cases and lawsuits. The other side is going to do its best to drag out everything you've ever done in your life on down to an unpaid parking ticket to demonize you. Everyone knows it and it's hard to actually deal with that reality.

TigerClaw

12-15-2017, 08:47 PM

Add Gene Simmons to the list.
http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/15/gene-simmons-sued-for-sexual-assault-interview/

dl316bh

12-16-2017, 12:09 AM

Add Gene Simmons to the list.
http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/15/gene-simmons-sued-for-sexual-assault-interview/
Sounds about right. Didn't he get banned from Fox News of all places recently for busting in a meeting and telling the women to suck his dick or something to that effect? I think that was Simmons.

Prowler

12-18-2017, 11:16 AM

I've been having the same thoughts as you, except I was hoping for some reason that Wayne Brady wouldn't be among these guys being outed for sexual harassment.

Wayne Brady? I only know him from that Chappelle show skit. "Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?". That skit was funny lol

Anyway, Hollywood and the show business in general are shady af, so I'm not really surprised a lot of perverted and twisted people work there. As for the validity of some of those accusations, well that's up for the judges to decide. In the case of Harvey Weinstein... he has dozens of accusations, including from very well known actresses such as Salma Hayek, Gwyneth Patrow and Angelina Jolie. They'd have nothing to gain from falsely accusing him. Too many accusations for it to be a coincidence.

TigerClaw

12-19-2017, 12:10 PM

Add T.J. Miller to the list.
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/silicon-valley-actor-tj-miller-accused-of-sexual-assault-w514388?utm_source=rsnewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=daily&utm_campaign=121917_12

Andrew NDB

12-19-2017, 12:16 PM

Papenbrook

12-22-2017, 12:13 PM

Louis C.K. has been dubbed out (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a3cdd7ae4b025f99e1656fb) on Gravity Falls.

plastroncafe

12-22-2017, 12:46 PM

Huh. Well that's not something I was expecting to happen.

oldmanwinters

12-22-2017, 01:15 PM

Louis C.K. has been dubbed out (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a3cdd7ae4b025f99e1656fb) on Gravity Falls.

Now that's an extreme measure.

Papenbrook

12-22-2017, 01:21 PM

Hopefully, T.J. Miller gets dubbed out as well.

Jester

12-22-2017, 01:56 PM

Now I wonder if Disney'll redub A Bug's Life.

plastroncafe

12-22-2017, 02:04 PM

I'm curious if this was done prior to a new release of Gravity Falls dvds.

Sumac

12-22-2017, 02:36 PM

This trend of redubbing / replacing actors is straight up Orwellian thing.

Andrew NDB

12-22-2017, 03:07 PM

Maybe it will turn out Alec McGuinness allegedly grabbed some chick in the 60s so we can have Obi-Wan in Star Wars Episodes IV, V, and VI reshot with Ewan McGregor... until someone alleges Ewan McGregor grabbed them in the 90s, too. Then they'll just have to create a CGI version or something.

Prowler

12-23-2017, 06:14 AM

plastroncafe

12-23-2017, 10:40 AM

LOL seriously? Pretending they never existed now? Sounds like what WWE did with Benoit(in this case understandable) and Hogan(in this case retarded).

So now if people do bad things we attempt to erase their existence and references to them? As if that would help. Coudl you imagine if we erased people like Hitler and Stalin from history books? Doesn't sound like a good idea, does it?

I don't know that denying people royalties is quite the same thing as erasing history. That's what this Gravity Falls thing seems like to me. Every time someone watches that particular episode, Louis C.K. gets paid. Before everything went streaming, this is a thing that might not have happened.

The guy is still alive. A company just doesn't want to cut him a check.

And it's also not like Disney doesn't have a history of this sort of thing anyway. See also: Aladdin and Fantastia.

Heck, isn't the prevailing theory as to why Jason Biggs got replaced on the Nick Toon because of the offensive things he said while representing a children's brand?
People think that there's an ideological purity problem NOW, but they forget that there's been one around anything related to kids for years.

And in other news:

Sexual Assault Allegations Against Max Landis Surface on Twitter (https://www.themarysue.com/sexual-assault-allegations-landis-twitter/) (themarysue)

Restart the clock?

Krutch

12-24-2017, 10:13 PM

I never understood where Max Landis' fanbase came from. Like, what has he done that garners such a following? Write Chronicle? Really?

And as much as he tries to play the "I work hard and I'm the every man" card he's one of the purist examples of nepotism you can point to.

dl316bh

12-25-2017, 03:49 PM

I don't know that denying people royalties is quite the same thing as erasing history. That's what this Gravity Falls thing seems like to me. Every time someone watches that particular episode, Louis C.K. gets paid. Before everything went streaming, this is a thing that might not have happened.

The guy is still alive. A company just doesn't want to cut him a check.
It's more than just that, I think. A friend of mine shared clips of the character CK voiced and... things about the character take on a different feel in the wake of the allegations. This is a kids cartoon and Disney is Disney, so it's not a big surprise they did this. I imagine they just don't want to deal with the uncomfortable questions or perception so they scrubbed him more than anything to do with royalties.

I never understood where Max Landis' fanbase came from. Like, what has he done that garners such a following? Write Chronicle? Really?
I think Chronicle is legitimately what everyone else knows him for. I know him for the wrestling video he did where he laid out Triple H's career in a bid to make a case for his character over the years. I don't think I've ever seen one of his movies.

Powder

12-25-2017, 05:26 PM

It's more than just that, I think. A friend of mine shared clips of the character CK voiced and... things about the character take on a different feel in the wake of the allegations. This is a kids cartoon and Disney is Disney, so it's not a big surprise they did this.

It's not exactly a surprise, no, but they had to know he was a scumbag well before the rumors were confirmed. I mean, his routines, while great (IMO) are chock full of really raunchy stuff. Edgy socio-political riffs involving heavy use of the N & F words, frequent talk of masturbation, etc. The fact he was hired in the first place is what's surprising.

Reminds me of when Gilbert Gottfried was fired from Aflac for making an offensive joke. Like, you know you hired Gilbert Gottfried, right? :tlol: Obviously two very different situations, but when you pick a blue comedian to represent your family friendly company/series, there are certain risks involved, especially if there are pre-existing reasons to question their character.

TigerClaw

12-25-2017, 06:09 PM

It's more than just that, I think. A friend of mine shared clips of the character CK voiced and... things about the character take on a different feel in the wake of the allegations. This is a kids cartoon and Disney is Disney, so it's not a big surprise they did this. I imagine they just don't want to deal with the uncomfortable questions or perception so they scrubbed him more than anything to do with royalties.

I think Chronicle is legitimately what everyone else knows him for. I know him for the wrestling video he did where he laid out Triple H's career in a bid to make a case for his character over the years. I don't think I've ever seen one of his movies.
He's also the guy who did a video on his pitch for a TMNT movie, I remember posting about it years ago.

Sumac

12-25-2017, 06:50 PM

He's also the guy who did a video on his pitch for a TMNT movie, I remember posting about it years ago.
I think he made a pitch for almost every famous franchise in existence.

Krutch

12-27-2017, 06:47 AM

I remember reading his screenplay for the Power Rangers movie. I made it to the part where Jason was driving around with Zordon and Alpha tied up and kidnapped the trunk of his car and I was done.

Andrew NDB

12-27-2017, 11:01 AM

I think Chronicle is legitimately what everyone else knows him for. I know him for the wrestling video he did where he laid out Triple H's career in a bid to make a case for his character over the years. I don't think I've ever seen one of his movies.

Writing American Ultra and now Bright, too. But mostly he's known for ambiguously gayly ranting about movies and pitching random sequel/reboot bad movie ideas on the internet.

DC is removing Landis from their comics? Him? C'mon, planet... surely Geoff Johns has grabbed someone, sometime.

RaphaelinSTL

12-27-2017, 11:15 AM

His Man of Steel rant and his Wrestling Isn't Wrestling short film were the only two good things to come out from him post-Chronicle.

Papenbrook

12-27-2017, 02:55 PM

Oh my ... (https://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/05/wait-a-second-did-amy-schumer-rape-a-guy/)

That is ... just disturbing. :(

plastroncafe

12-27-2017, 03:34 PM

https://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/05/wait-a-second-did-amy-schumer-rape-a-guy/

Just in case folks are curious about the Papen's url.

I find the final paragraph the most interesting of the anonymous op-ed:

It’s not hard to believe, we’ve been laughing at men getting raped for a long time. Take a look at movies like Wedding Crashers, and Get Him to the Greek. Rape is simply a comedic tool when it’s placed upon men. More disturbingly, maybe society doesn’t believe men can be raped at all.

We don't do a whole lot of talking, as a culture, about consent.
And we sure as heck don't do a whole lot of talking about male/male identifying victims of sexual assault.

dl316bh

12-27-2017, 04:47 PM

And we sure as heck don't do a whole lot of talking about male/male identifying victims of sexual assault.
That one's probably going to take a while. Men as a whole will have to start to get past its ideas of sex and what a man is supposed to be. No small task.

plastroncafe

12-27-2017, 04:52 PM

That one's probably going to take a while. Men as a whole will have to start to get past its ideas of sex and what a man is supposed to be. No small task.

Not at all! And I don't envy them the work that's going to take.

Sumac

12-28-2017, 12:27 AM

That one's probably going to take a while. Men as a whole will have to start to get past its ideas of sex and what a man is supposed to be. No small task.
I don't think that wiping the state clean is possible.

dl316bh

12-28-2017, 01:32 AM

I don't think that wiping the state clean is possible.
Maybe not, but we can work toward healthier attitudes in society over time. Might take a while, but progress is progress.

Sumac

12-28-2017, 02:49 AM

Maybe not, but we can work toward healthier attitudes in society over time. Might take a while, but progress is progress.
That I can support.
And it not "might take a while" it WILL take a while, since there is no way to change society overnight or even over decade.

The Deadman

12-28-2017, 05:44 PM

Twins' Miguel Sano denies sexual assault allegations; MLB looking into matter
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21903348/miguel-sano-minnesota-twins-denies-assault-allegations-mlb-looking-matter

At what point do we look at some of these as money grabs? Not saying it's not true, but you're telling me someone at the mall didn't see or say anything to a big dude forcefully dragging a woman against her will?

Papenbrook

01-05-2018, 09:37 PM

Paul Haggis has been accused of sexually assaulting (https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/4-women-accuse-hollywood-director-paul-haggis-sexual-misconduct-n835046) multiple women.

Ed Westwick has been replaced (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/05/ed-westwick-replaced-in-bbc-drama-after-sexual-assault-allegations) in the wake of his allegations.

Papenbrook

01-07-2018, 11:06 PM

I think that I'll post this. (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-08-07/mitsutoshi-shimabukuro-arrested)

Autbot_Benz

01-09-2018, 01:55 PM

I don't believe it but People are saying Stan Lee Groped Nurses in his home.
http://uproxx.com/news/stan-lee-sexual-misconduct-accusations/

CyberCubed

01-09-2018, 01:59 PM

Stan Lee is 95. Why would a 95 year old man grope nurses? Nobody has a sex drive at that age.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-09-2018, 02:03 PM

Stan Lee is 95. Why would a 95 year old man grope nurses? Nobody has a sex drive at that age.

False.

Highest rates of STDs are in nursing homes and similar facilities.

The Deadman

01-09-2018, 03:49 PM

So no criminal complaints nor lawsuits have been brought. Yet he's instantly guilty. Alright then.

Autbot_Benz

01-09-2018, 04:14 PM

So no criminal complaints nor lawsuits have been brought. Yet he's instantly guilty. Alright then.

yup we live in an guilty until proven innocent world now with or without evidince

Cure

01-09-2018, 04:20 PM

I can see it. Stan Lee is from a way old time where men treated women differently. I wouldn't put it past him.

sdp

01-09-2018, 04:31 PM

The Always Believe Women movement is just awful and it's going to backfire horribly and hurt women's credibility when this is a real issue.

Stan Lee has done horrible things in the industry and he still has that "nice grandpa" persona that people love, it's something about him since this isn't just the old generations but includes new generations of kids who only know Stan Lee as the guy who created many Marvel heroes and the cameos and yet still love him. So while a horrible person I do think this one is overblown at to what it might actually be.

Coola Yagami

01-09-2018, 04:34 PM

Stan Lee is 95. Why would a 95 year old man grope nurses? Nobody has a sex drive at that age.

Sonething like this is usually difficult for asexuals to understand.

plastroncafe

01-09-2018, 04:35 PM

Getting older makes fools of us all.
Lee doesn't get a pass because he helped revolutionize an artform.

TigerClaw

01-09-2018, 05:02 PM

Add James Franco to the list
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/james-franco-accused-actresses-inappropriate-behavior-article-1.3745616

Autbot_Benz

01-09-2018, 05:13 PM

Add James Franco to the list
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/james-franco-accused-actresses-inappropriate-behavior-article-1.3745616

This comes out right after he won a golden globe on sunday how convenient

Andrew NDB

01-09-2018, 05:41 PM

This comes out right after he won a golden globe on sunday how convenient

Must have jogged their memory.

Sumac

01-09-2018, 05:55 PM

Not one for conspiracies, but it is really really convenient "coincidence".

plastroncafe

01-09-2018, 06:28 PM

It's not a coincidence. The woman in question saw Franco at the Golden Globes wearing a pin in support of victims of sexual harassment and assault, and called him out on some alleged hypocrisy.

Sumac

01-09-2018, 07:33 PM

It's not a coincidence. The woman in question saw Franco at the Golden Globes wearing a pin in support of victims of sexual harassment and assault, and called him out on some alleged hypocrisy.
Then it seems justified.

ranger_scout

01-09-2018, 09:24 PM

Someone claimed that Michael Douglas masturbated in front of her. However, he gave a lengthy statement claiming that he didn't do it.

http://deadline.com/2018/01/michael-douglas-sexual-harassment-allegation-defends-himself-1202239676/

Papenbrook

01-11-2018, 12:33 AM

Someone slapped Harvey Weinstein. (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/harvey-weinstein-slapped-patron-dinner-video-shows/story?id=52260486)

Papenbrook

01-11-2018, 12:51 PM

Five more women accuse James Franco of committing sexual misconduct. (http://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a14793195/james-franco-sexual-misconduct-accusations/)

Non-related: Here's an excerpt (https://mobile.twitter.com/MorganJerkins/status/951476786189266949?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp %5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) of Franco's Twelve Years a Slave review. (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5gkpnk/fassy-b-heats-up-twelve-years-a-slave)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTRTFcvW4AEE3CZ.jpg:large

Edit: It just (https://mobile.twitter.com/missollosi/status/951182267988164608?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp %5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Etweet) keeps getting worse. (http://29secrets.com/pop-culture/james-franco-phenomenon/)

ZariusTwo

01-11-2018, 03:47 PM

Even more accusations towards Stan Lee

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/01/11/stan-lee-sexual-harassment-c2e2/

CyberCubed

01-11-2018, 04:05 PM

Sumac

01-11-2018, 04:25 PM

Stan Lee is 95, at least cut him some slack. He's just wants some last female loving before he passes on to the great one in the sky. I wouldn't be surprised if he did grope women but everything else is probably false. You really think a 95 year old man is whipping his dick out in front of nurses?
Depends on how sane he is.
I mean, we all will be very lucky, if by 95 we still be able to remember something more then where dick goes and vaguely recall what our names are.

Autbot_Benz

01-11-2018, 06:23 PM

Since its Daily Mail a british tabloid that keeps bringing out these accusations against Stan Lee I don't believe them

Papenbrook

01-11-2018, 11:10 PM

Shark_Blade

01-12-2018, 12:09 AM

Eh, that Oprah accusation has no proof. It's just his "feeling" - no substance, no fact to back it up. Bring that into court and he'll get destroyed easily.

The Deadman

01-12-2018, 10:15 AM

Amusing how the Oprah accusation should be shot down because there's no proof

Anyway, speaking of Franco...

James Franco Accuser Under Fire For Tweet About Ruining People’s Lives
https://411mania.com/movies/james-franco-accuser-fire-tweet-ruining-peoples-lives/

plastroncafe

01-12-2018, 10:22 AM

Just to be clear, because Papen just loves to not provide context for their links, the accusation is that Winfrey knew about Weinstein, according to Seal.

So...here's my question back at Seal:
Why didn't he do or say anything about Weinstein himself?
If he knew that she knew, then....he also knew.

Or did he?
I actually don't know, because I haven't heard/seen much of Seal since "Kiss From A Rose."

Spike Spiegel

01-12-2018, 01:24 PM

Eh, that Oprah accusation has no proof. It's just his "feeling" - no substance, no fact to back it up.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d3/88/63/d388636a62786cbc7f2388bdc40da584.jpg

Hamato Yoshi

01-13-2018, 05:42 AM

Trond Giske (of Labour Party Norway) likes 'em young.....there's been rumors about him for yrs so it's not really that surprising he's sacked now ;)

Hamato Yoshi

01-13-2018, 05:45 AM

Candy Kappa

01-13-2018, 06:23 AM

Trond Giske (of Labour Party Norway) likes 'em young.....there's been rumors about him for yrs so it's not really that surprising he's sacked now ;)

It's been joked about for over 10 years:lol: just watched the Torsdagsklubben (Thursday Club a Norwegian satire show that made fun of the current news) xmas song from 2008 where Giske is a horny pervert in the video, still topical :lol:

But now Ulf Isak Leirstein, a top member of the Fremskrittspartiet (The Progress Party) have been accused of sending hardcore porn to young male members of the junior version of the Party, one of them was a minor at the time. the creep is being really nonchalant about it and posted the most phoned in apology and says he's going for a "time-out". Sadly I doubt he'll face any legal reprecussion since the case is too old.

Coola Yagami

01-13-2018, 10:10 AM

Oh my word ... (http://gawker.com/james-franco-tried-to-hook-up-with-a-17-year-old-on-ins-1557491436)

You're a disgustingly vile man, James Franco. Just ... ugh. (http://gawker.com/james-franco-says-he-did-hit-on-a-teen-because-social-1558165191)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTNHODGU0AAILYe.jpg:large

Creepy ...

Edit: Oh my goodness,Oprah ... (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a576fb0e4b0a300f9065f61)

I see no problem with Franco's approach as long as it's all consensual. Hell, i wouldn't mind having Scarjo think of me whenever she visits my state and drop in for a quickie.

Papenbrook

01-13-2018, 10:29 AM

I see no problem with Franco's approach as long as it's all consensual. Hell, i wouldn't mind having Scarjo think of me whenever she visits my state and drop in for a quickie.

I think that I need to show you this ... (https://m.youtube.com/watch?index=16&v=jWQGECiTpOE&list=PLq8TA7RFSvWaKp97OZoMkboksnnnD09i8)

Coola Yagami

01-13-2018, 11:55 AM

I think that I need to show you this ... (https://m.youtube.com/watch?index=16&v=jWQGECiTpOE&list=PLq8TA7RFSvWaKp97OZoMkboksnnnD09i8)

IDK... didn't the girl want it? Didn't he ask the girl if she was single and she said she had a boyfriend but 'she's single when he's around'. Plus the story seems to say she was legal in the state of the New York, so she knew what she was doing.

Now here's what's confusing me since I'm no law major. Why do some states say the age of consent is 17 when the vast majority have it set to 18? Are the girls in New York more mentally mature than other states? And if James takes this girl to some other state, does he still get in trouble, or does he get a free pass because the girl is a New Yorker, born and raised?

Is the legal drinking age 21 in all states or are there also some wonky ones where they can drink at age 20 or whatever?

Papenbrook

01-13-2018, 05:13 PM

IDK... didn't the girl want it? Didn't he ask the girl if she was single and she said she had a boyfriend but 'she's single when he's around'. Plus the story seems to say she was legal in the state of the New York, so she knew what she was doing.

You have to understand the morality that surrounded the whole situation. Can a (then) thirty-five year old man date a (then) seventeen year old girl, and manage to not look make the whole thing look creepy and/or concerning? (For the record, he basically tried to coerce her into not only revealing her personal info, but also staying silent about said incident. She made it public, as the situation had made her uncomfortable. If it didn't, then maybe you would've had a point there.)

If not, then he shouldn't have been trying to get with her in the first place.

Now here's what's confusing me since I'm no law major. Why do some states say the age of consent is 17 when the vast majority have it set to 18? Are the girls in New York more mentally mature than other states? And if James takes this girl to some other state, does he still get in trouble, or does he get a free pass because the girl is a New Yorker, born and raised?

Is the legal drinking age 21 in all states or are there also some wonky ones where they can drink at age 20 or whatever?

I don't know why. It just varies from state to state.

Powder

01-13-2018, 08:13 PM

Are you deliberately trying to make your posts hard to read? 'Cause it's working. I'm not even bothering to try. If you're going to use alternate colors at least pick bright ones.

Utrommaniac

01-13-2018, 08:23 PM

And use fonts that we can actually read.
Or you know...just don't use any fancy fonts and justifications at all. Just because it's there, it doesn't mean you should use them.

TigerClaw

01-14-2018, 08:47 PM

Add Aziz Ansari to the list.
https://www.avclub.com/aziz-ansari-is-now-facing-allegations-of-sexual-miscond-1822070857

MrPliggins

01-15-2018, 07:19 AM

The Aziz incident was consensual, basically he didn't get her non-verbal hints. It's just a case of misunderstanding but not assault. His text response to her the next day says it all. "Clearly I misread things in the moment and I'm truly sorry." Who has ever been on a date and thought she was into it, but found out later she wasn't, and left completely surprised? I know I have. This is getting ridiculous.

Sumac

01-15-2018, 08:19 AM

Reminds me of this. (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/new-yorker-short-story-cat-person-dating-men-women-opposite-reactions-robert-actions-male-female-a8103871.html)
Basically women say about this story that man was obligated to "read signs" and men say that woman was obligated to tell him, instead of playing mute fish.

This is the case where both sides are right - if something wrong you should tell about it, not feeling shy or awkward post-factum.

GoldMutant

01-15-2018, 08:54 AM

The major problem I have had during the outrages is that after a while, it's hard to fully take some of these stories seriously. I will not deny that some of these people, such as Weinstein and Spacey, are sick and such. However, then you have someone who provides a strong account of defense, such as Michael Douglas. Ultimately, it just becomes more and more like a modern day version of the Salem Witch trials; only difference is that instead of death, it's prison or blacklisting.

Of course, many of these accounts are unfortunate, but for some to be coincidentally timed? It arises my suspicions nonetheless with some trying to 15 minutes of fame in the news for a quick buck while others really are serious. Either way, if the later is true in some cases, it leads to overexposure and can destroy credibility.

That's just my two cents on the whole matter. I feel bad for all the victims, but at the same time, depending on story, the "perpetrator" too, even if the later is more rare.

plastroncafe

01-15-2018, 09:25 AM

FredWolfLeonardo

01-15-2018, 11:45 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3075125/My-son-s-life-ripped-apart-woman-falsely-cried-rape-twice-Police-knew-Oxford-student-fantasist-did-believe-her.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/yes-false-accusations-destroy-lives/article/2557145

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11912748/Guilty-until-proven-innocent-life-after-a-false-rape-accusation.html

I've been actively avoiding this thread for a long time, but its reached an unbelievable peak. The amount of accussations staggering and just go on to show how the media prizes publicity and coverage over integrity. Accusations are rampant, and each individual case must be formally investigated before making a decision because lives are at stake. The mere accusation is enough to destroy the entire career of an accused even if he didn't commit the crime. Even the accuser isn"t really in a good position when there is so much media coverage everywhere. I really, really loath the publicity that surrounds every freaking scandal that has been posted here, finding it dishonourable towards both potentially real rape victims and potentially innocent people who are falsely accused. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that accussations should be taken seriously and the matter should be fully investigated by the appropriate authorities, but sweet applepies, can we not dramatize every single accusation?

Andrew NDB

01-15-2018, 11:58 AM

I kind of feel like we should set a deadline. Make it anything, make it next Wednesday. Make a big announcement, "OK, OK, listen, everyone... you have until WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 24th to get your sexual assault/harassment/general bad person allegations announced. We will not be accepting any more allegations after this point so please get them in by the deadline!" And then we can sort of start putting this behind us.

After that, maybe it could be like a Purge Night, as a compromise? Like, one day a year, or once every five years be like, "OK, for one week, we are now accepting your unsubstantiated allegations about people. Get them in before the deadline!"

sdp

01-15-2018, 12:00 PM

It very much is a witch hunt mentality at this point where anyone accused is automatically guilty. So far I don't have any real problems with current actors getting called on since yeah a position of that much power will lead to these things.

Of course I also believe many women openly accept it and use it to their advantage to get their agenda done. For them to complain is asinine, but they'll be protected as "victims".

Another problem is the knee jerk reaction from mostly the so called progressives. "I can't believe ____ would be like that", "I'm never watching anything from _____ again" etc. I mean it's flippin' Hollywood, if we went by moral standards we wouldn't be allowed to watch anything. I'm guessing many of all people's favorite artists are as big of scumbags as any of the accused ones but as long as no one calls them out on twitter it's perfectly fine? So, no artist has ever payed anyone to be silent? Don't be naive, that's a level of hip-hopcracy only they can be oblivious to. Separate the art from the artist.

The problem is this outrage moving into other industries, it's just not going to work. And I know for a fact that sexual harassment is a big problem in the workplace, but it's difficult to deal with and this #metoo movement is going to make things worse as people are already getting tired of the witchunt cmentality and are starting to become just another "immune" to it. Especially when I've read more than a few #metoo stories that are fairly ridiculous and yet they get a lot of traction in support.

Let's see where things go, I do think we'll be seeing more and more of this until it starts to blow up, and ironically it seems to be the only thing the American Political extremes agree on, they're both going in on this full blast even if for different ideologies.

Sumac

01-15-2018, 12:08 PM

In a perfect world all parties would feel comfortable and open about their wants and desires, but we don't live in a perfect world where all parties do.

The assumption that we live in that world omits very important cultural cues and expectations.

Margaret Atwood has a great quote about this:
Men are afraid that women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them.

And in several cases women saying No have resulted in their being bodily harmed.

Here's the thing about consent:
If you don't get affirmative consent, you should assume the answer is no.
And if you're unsure if you're getting non-verbal consent, the onus is on you to ask for it, otherwise assume it is no.

I need to read more about the allegations against Ansari, but if he was making moves that she didn't consent to before the fact, then yeah...he's in the wrong. Consenting to one sex act isn't the same thing as consenting to all sex acts.
I agree with this and this inability of both parties to talk should be changed.

Another problem is the knee jerk reaction from mostly the so called progressives. "I can't believe ____ would be like that", "I'm never watching anything from _____ again" etc. I mean it's flippin' Hollywood, if we went by moral standards we wouldn't be allowed to watch anything. I'm guessing many of all people's favorite artists are as big of scumbags as any of the accused ones but as long as no one calls them out on twitter it's perfectly fine? So, no artist has ever payed anyone to be silent? Don't be naive, that's a level of hip-hopcracy only they can be oblivious to. Separate the art from the artist.
I have seen those and this is really hilarious. Another case of virtue signaling (unironical sadly). Especially when people in question had a lot of rumored allegations before. But this modern "keyboard-progressives" for you. Hyperbole and mindlessness their motto.

Spike Spiegel

01-15-2018, 08:37 PM

Can the AI-powered sex robots of the future give consent?

#NotAllSentientBeings

Sumac

01-18-2018, 10:39 PM

More on Ansari story. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bAULTwAJU&)
HLN's Ashleigh Banfield blasts "Master of None" star Aziz Ansari's anonymous sexual assault accuser in an open letter.

Papenbrook

01-20-2018, 03:51 PM

Another sexual misconduct allegation (https://mobile.twitter.com/RaySiegel/status/952399300687953921) has been leveled against Aziz Ansari.

Papenbrook

01-22-2018, 08:58 PM

This video ... just makes me really upset ...

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Shame on you, James Franco.

My thoughts are with these young women.

Autbot_Benz

01-22-2018, 09:32 PM

This video ... just makes me really upset ...

m-pJltN8Tbc

Shame on you, James Franco.

My thoughts are with these young women.

The Video says "alleged" aka NO proof or Evidence he actually did anything but go ahead and believe the girls

Papenbrook

01-23-2018, 11:05 AM

The Video says "alleged" aka NO proof or Evidence he actually did anything but go ahead and believe the girls

Well, if it means anything, Violet has claimed (https://mobile.twitter.com/VioletPaley/status/950763364602523648) that James Franco offered an apology to all of his alleged victims.

Papenbrook

01-25-2018, 07:46 PM

Casey Affleck will no longer present the Best Actress Award at the Oscars. (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42827210)

(This is a good thing.)

Edit:Oh my word ... ( http://people.com/movies/harvey-weinstein-ex-assistant-cleaned-up-sexual-encounters/)

Just ... why?!

ProphetofGanja

01-25-2018, 08:48 PM

I'm surprised no one has brought up the creep-ass gymnast doctor who just got locked up

Sumac

01-25-2018, 08:51 PM

Because, he is not celebrity and won't create the same effect.

Utrommaniac

01-25-2018, 08:52 PM

Yeah, he was more of a nobody...

But man, I love the judge who oversaw that case. No tolerance for his cowardly @$$. I hope she strikes again sometime soon.

TigerClaw

01-25-2018, 09:27 PM

You can add David Copperfield to the list now.
https://www.thewrap.com/david-copperfield-accused-drugging-assaulting-17-year-old-model-1988/

Jester

01-25-2018, 09:35 PM

George HW Bush was right!

dl316bh

01-25-2018, 09:41 PM

I'm surprised no one has brought up the creep-ass gymnast doctor who just got locked up
I feel like these things are so rapid fire now some just slip through.

But man, I love the judge who oversaw that case. No tolerance for his cowardly @$$.
That judge was awesome. Ripped his letter up right in front of him.

Papenbrook

01-26-2018, 02:14 AM

Mariah Carey was accused of sexually harassing one of her own bodyguards! (http://www.latina.com/entertainment/celebrity/mariah-carey-sexual-harassment-allegations) :o

Papenbrook

01-26-2018, 02:00 PM

James Franco was digitally removed ( http://people.com/movies/james-franco-was-digitally-erased-from-vanity-fair-cover-after-sexual-harassment-allegations/") from the latest Vanity Fair cover amid allegations of sexual misconduct.

dl316bh

01-26-2018, 03:03 PM

That whole Nassar thing is getting worse. ESPN did a deep dive into things and are finding that yeah, MSU knew full well what he was doing since the 90's and tried covering it up.

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-information-suppression-michigan-state-goes-larry-nassar-case-espn

I already felt like they kind of had to know, just from how long this has been going on and all the stories we've heard throughout the years about how school's will ignore things and are not above pressuring students to make things they don't like disappear if they have to.

Sumac

01-26-2018, 03:32 PM

In this case I hope people who wee covering this shitstain for years will be brought to court. Old or retired, doesn't matter.

I absolutely despise any kind of violence towards women, but trash who covers it up is almost as bad in my book, whether it's done out of fear for reputation or money.

Autbot_Benz

01-26-2018, 11:27 PM

Looks like Hillary Clinton was protecting one of her aids that was sexually assaulting someone

http://uproxx.com/news/hillary-clinton-protect-staffer-sexual-harassment-allegations/

Sumac

01-27-2018, 01:07 AM

So much for paragon of Liberal values...
If it is true of course.

Papenbrook

01-27-2018, 12:37 PM

I don't know if I can trust anyone anymore.

dl316bh

01-27-2018, 01:03 PM

So much for paragon of Liberal values...
She's never been a paragon. She's not even well liked among a lot of liberals, starry eyed supporters aside. The fights on the left about her candidacy didn't spring from nowhere.

If it is true of course.
Eh, I believe it.

Sumac

01-27-2018, 04:53 PM

She's never been a paragon. She's not even well liked among a lot of liberals, starry eyed supporters aside. The fights on the left about her candidacy didn't spring from nowhere.
I've heard very different things from certain segment of "liberals".

I don't know if I can trust anyone anymore.
Trust no-one, but yourself.
It's unpleasant, but you will be saved from future disappointments in people.

TigerClaw

01-28-2018, 11:53 AM

Now Scott Baio is being accused. He took to Facebook Live to dispute those claims.
http://deadline.com/2018/01/scott-baio-nicole-eggert-molestation-sexual-harassment-facebook-live-1202271329/

Papenbrook

01-29-2018, 04:29 AM

Steve Wynn will resign from the RNC as a result of his allegations being brought to light. (https://mobile.nytimes.com/redirect?to-mobile=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F01%2 F27%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fsteve-wynn-rnc-resignation.html%3Freferer%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.goog le.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DSteve%2BWynn%26oq%3DSteve%2B Wynn%26aqs%3Dmobile-gws-lite..0l5)

Also, Cenk Uygur had some controversy that (https://www.thewrap.com/young-turks-cenk-uygur-blog-breasts-women-flawed/) dealt with his alleged sexual misconduct. (https://archive.is/9vCbM)

Papenbrook

02-01-2018, 11:23 AM

James Franco had his mural removed. (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Report-Palo-Alto-school-removes-actor-James-12541183.php)

Papenbrook

02-01-2018, 08:42 PM

Paul Marciano was accused of sexual misconduct. (http://people.com/style/kate-upton-guess-paul-marciano-metoo/)

Papenbrook

02-09-2018, 10:20 AM

Cristina Garcia is now being accused of sexual misconduct. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/cristina-garcia-california-metoo-398985)

Sumac

02-09-2018, 04:10 PM

What is not mentioned in the post above, is that this woman is a lawyer of the #metoo movement.
Such is irony.

Papenbrook

02-10-2018, 02:19 AM

Here is Garcia's response to said allegations. (https://a58.asmdc.org/press-releases/asm-cristina-garcia-responds-allegations-misconduct)

“Upon reflection of the details alleged, I am certain I did not engage in the behavior I am accused of. However, as I’ve said before, any claims about sexual harassment must be taken seriously, and I believe elected officials should be held to a higher standard of accountability. Therefore, I am voluntarily taking an immediate unpaid leave from my position in the State Assembly, including any accompanying committee assignments, so as not to serve as a distraction or in any way influence the process of this investigation. I implore the Assembly Rules Committee to conduct a thorough and expeditious investigation, and I look forward to getting back to work on behalf of my constituents and for the betterment of California.”

plastroncafe

02-10-2018, 10:16 AM

Good.
I've got to admit, if she was half as tanked as the dude says she was, it's probably no wonder she doesn't remember it.

Which doesn't let her off the hook for her behavior, not by a long shot.

Meanwhile...what's the current tally of Domestic Abusers in the Executive Branch again?

Papenbrook

02-11-2018, 12:43 AM

What is not mentioned in the post above, is that this woman is a lawyer of the #metoo movement.
Such is irony.

Wow. Just ... wow.

If that were true, then I would have expected better from her.

I just hope that this incident doesn't negatively impact the #metoo movement and irreparably ruin the it's reputation.

Papenbrook

02-18-2018, 04:29 PM

Jay Asher was accused of sexual harassment. (http://people.com/tv/thirteen-reasons-why-writer-jay-asher-harassment-allegations/)

Andrew NDB

02-18-2018, 06:49 PM

Sumac

02-18-2018, 07:24 PM

Wow. Just ... wow.

If that were true, then I would have expected better from her.

I just hope that this incident doesn't negatively impact the #metoo movement and irreparably ruin the it's reputation.
It's reputation is somewhat ruined already due to quite a lot of people saying that something that had started as an effort to weed out harassers in power, slowly turning into witch hunt, where people could be persecuted without prove for something that they haven't done.

Papenbrook

02-21-2018, 06:10 PM

Cristina Garcia allegedly fired an aide for refusing to play "Spin The Bottle". (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43130890) :(

Papenbrook

03-02-2018, 09:36 PM

Ryan Seacrest was accused of committing sexual harassment and assault. (https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/ex-stylist-ryan-seacrest-endured-sexual-misconduct-former-co-worker-n851871)

Papenbrook

03-15-2018, 11:15 PM

Katy Perry has recently got into some controversy. (https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2018/3/15/katy-perry-and-american-idol-play-sexual-harassment-during-era-metoo)

plastroncafe

03-16-2018, 11:14 AM

I managed to finally get around to watching baby driver last night, and boy do a lot of Kevin Spacey's scenes in that movie read a lot differently in the wake of his disgrace.

ZariusTwo

03-16-2018, 04:36 PM

Aussie soap star Martin Lynes jailed for sexual assault (http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/home-and-away/news/a852445/home-and-away-martin-lynes-jailed-sexual-assault/)

ranger_scout

03-16-2018, 04:48 PM

John Bailey, the president of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, is now under investigation after receiving three claims of sexual harassment.

http://ew.com/movies/2018/03/16/ampas-oscars-president-john-bailey-sexual-harassment-investigation/

Papenbrook

03-20-2018, 06:19 AM

Katy Perry has recently got into some controversy. (https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2018/3/15/katy-perry-and-american-idol-play-sexual-harassment-during-era-metoo)

So, it looks like this wasn't Katy Perry's first indecent incident.

At the 2017 iHeartRadio Awards/ Festival, she went up and groped Shawn Mendes on the buttocks.

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Mind you, she was a (then) thirty-two year old woman that had groped a(n) (then) eighteen year old man.

As I ponder on these disturbing details, only one word escapes my mind - disgusting. Seriously, I can't stand people like her.

I wish Mr. Mendes well. I'm sorry that he had to deal with someone like her.

Papenbrook

03-20-2018, 10:40 AM

As I've discovered, researched, and reported/updated various #metoo stories, I've noticed that the music industry have/has been largely silent about the issue.

I wonder what's up with that.

Andrew NDB

03-29-2018, 07:21 PM

More on Allison "Pimp Mack."

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/smallville-star-allison-mack-faces-arrest-for-sex-cult-nxivm/news-story/27957e473665bb88fb7fbddb865f4e31

Krutch

03-30-2018, 04:53 AM

More on Allison "Pimp Mack."

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/smallville-star-allison-mack-faces-arrest-for-sex-cult-nxivm/news-story/27957e473665bb88fb7fbddb865f4e31
Ah, man... Kinda breaks my heart. Smallville was such a huge part of my life. To see whats happened to Allison is so disappointing. She was actually one of my top dream casting for April O'Niel.

But if it's true (which is looking more and more likely by the day) then she deserves whats coming to her.

Luckily, I'm someone who can easily seperate the person from the art, so this won't impact my Smallville watching experience :P

plastroncafe

03-30-2018, 10:41 AM

ZariusTwo

04-20-2018, 03:47 PM

Allison Mack has now been arrested

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/actress-allison-mack-arrested-for-alleged-ties-to-sex-cult-w519396

Andrew NDB

04-20-2018, 04:33 PM

Allison Mack has now been arrested

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/actress-allison-mack-arrested-for-alleged-ties-to-sex-cult-w519396

Sadly, "brand loyalty" now means something else entirely.

Leo656

04-20-2018, 09:17 PM

Sadly, "brand loyalty" now means something else entirely.

...You're alright, you.

Utrommaniac

04-20-2018, 09:52 PM

Apparently it's time to add Ren and Stimpy Creator and voice actor John kricfalusi to the list.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/john-kricfalusi-ren-stimpy-underage-sexual-abuse?utm_term=.id2gLejej#.bpYlzG3G3

I've read Katie Rice's two webcomics Skadi and Camp Weedonwantcha - the latter of which has been on hiatus for a while. I feel awful for her.

Papenbrook

04-22-2018, 03:35 PM

Here's an update that concerns the Cristina Garcia scandal. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/22/metoo-asian-garcia-california-544974)

Andrew NDB

04-24-2018, 12:42 PM

Look at this old, now-super creepy Tweet from Pimp Mack:

https://twitter.com/allisonmack/status/691113581228728321

TigerClaw

04-24-2018, 05:27 PM

'Smallville' actress Allison Mack freed to parents on $5 million bail
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/smallville-actress-allison-mack-freed-parents-5-million-bail-n868701

Jester

04-24-2018, 05:42 PM

https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_17/2409921/180424-allison-mack-trial-sketch-ew-442p_1c319db5bb32b7b638bb64f1b8aaa076.fit-360w.jpg

Papenbrook

04-25-2018, 10:42 AM

Stan Lee is being accused of committing sexual misconduct (again). (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/masseuse-accuses-marvels-stan-lee-of-sexual-misconduct/)

Autbot_Benz

04-25-2018, 04:04 PM

Stan Lee is being accused of committing sexual misconduct (again). (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/masseuse-accuses-marvels-stan-lee-of-sexual-misconduct/)

just like the last fake accusal from those nurses against Stan this one will just go away. Must feel high and mighty going after an 95 year old man who has been victim of elder abuse and having his blood stolen to sign comics. :roll:

She went back the next day so if he did something why would you go back. Case Closed

Papenbrook

04-25-2018, 06:27 PM

She went back the next day so if he did something why would you go back. Case Closed

This. Right here. Is Grade-A victim blaming.

Charming. *not*

TigerClaw

04-27-2018, 06:05 AM

Former NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw faces sexual harassment allegations.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/26/media/nbc-news-tom-brokaw-linda-vester/index.html

Hamato Yoshi

04-27-2018, 09:21 PM

Jamie Luner :-?

(and pigs will fly :lol:

Papenbrook

05-18-2018, 07:18 PM

Aww, Hell no! (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44173653)

Hell no.

No, man. No ...

ranger_scout

05-24-2018, 11:53 AM

Eight women have accused Morgan Freeman of sexual misconduct or inappropriate behavior. :thumbsdo: :tmad:

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/morgan-freeman-harassment-inappropriate-behavior-1202820911/

Papenbrook

05-24-2018, 01:10 PM

Morgan Freeman?

No, not him. I'm disappointed. :(

Papenbrook

05-25-2018, 06:41 AM

Harvey Weinstein just turned himself in. (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/may/25/harvey-weinstein-surrenders-over-sexual-misconduct-charges)

He will face rape charges.

ssjup81

05-25-2018, 07:57 AM

Morgan Freeman?

No, not him. I'm disappointed. :(In all honesty, this one doesn't surprise me. There'd been stuff about him going on for years now.

Andrew NDB

05-25-2018, 12:56 PM

http://www.highlander-community.com/bill.jpg

ranger_scout

05-27-2018, 08:10 PM

With all of this controversy that is surrounding Morgan Freeman I wonder if Disney will recast his role of Drosselmeyer in The Nutcracker and the Four Realms like TriStar did by having Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey in All the Money in the World. There's still time for this to happen, but The Nutcracker and the Four Realms has already gone through reshoots before these allegations surfaced.

CyberCubed

05-28-2018, 03:12 AM

Morgan Freeman is 80 years old, it is the norm for his generation to be like that. I think a lot of you are forgetting these actors are OLD AS HELL and grew up in the 50's, 60's, 70's, etc. when social norms are not what they are now.

Is it right? Of course not. But when you read about 80-90 year olds like Stan Lee and Morgan Freeman making unwanted advance on women, you have to remember they're from a time long gone by.

What do you guys think America was when they grew up? Women didn't even get the right to vote when they were kids.

Jester

05-28-2018, 07:34 AM

What do you guys think America was when they grew up? Women didn't even get the right to vote when they were kids.
Neither Morgan Freeman nor Stan Lee are THAT old....

ssjup81

05-28-2018, 09:25 PM

Mayhem

05-29-2018, 03:12 AM

Wrong is wrong, period. Also, women have had the right to vote since around 1920.
Yes, but it wasn't considered that wrong 50 years ago, like it or loathe it, that's the point being made. Like many comedians in the 70s here in the UK making racist jokes as part of their routines (eg. Bernard Manning). Things have changed since.

Papenbrook

05-29-2018, 06:18 AM

CyberCubed

05-29-2018, 10:43 PM

Well of course it's wrong, I'm just saying it's the time period these actors grew up in.

Do you guys know what womens rights were even through the 50's/60's? Even in the 70's and 80's a woman holding an office job was considered unusual, look up the movie "Mr. Mom" with Michael Keaton from the early 80's, or "Working Girl" from 1985 with Harrison Ford, both movies about 80's women struggling to work in a typical "man's" job.

Obviously we millennials aren't used to that kind of world because we didn't grow up in it.

Leo656

05-29-2018, 10:52 PM

I don't think it's necessarily generational, I think it just happens as men get older.

Ever since I was a kid I've had to visit relatives in "the home" periodically, and I've always seen the older men in the facilities, at the very least, make suggestive comments to the nurses. In turn, the staff seems to treat it as one of those "It comes with the job" kind of things, whereby it's either expected or at least tolerated.

"Getting fresh" is apparently a perk for having a certain number of Birthdays. These guys are literally dying, and it makes sense they'd want to "yuk it up" on the way out. Add to that, a lot of them have some form of dementia or are otherwise mentally impaired. Since they'd need jumper cables to even get an erection and can't walk to the toilet without assistance, they're pretty much "harmless", so while I'm sure the female staffers aren't thrilled with the environment, they mostly just seem to go, "Oh, you!" and wave it away.

Sure, it's crude, and crass, and selfish, and insensitive. But I understand it. Once you hit a point where the next nurse's butt you compliment could literally be the very last one of your entire life, you're gonna do you and the hell with the rest of it.

Andrew NDB

06-08-2018, 05:42 PM

Oh no, Justin Trudeau!

https://www.dangerous.com/44481/justin-trudeau-accused-of-groping-young-reporter-in-2000/

BartAllen

06-09-2018, 03:11 AM

I still find it odd that Bill Clinton seems to get a free pass for the rape of Juanita Broaddrick. Hillary too for that matter. Juanita has said, numerous times, that Hillary threatened her after Bill sexually assaulted her.

Sumac

06-09-2018, 06:20 AM

Oh no, Justin Trudeau!

https://www.dangerous.com/44481/justin-trudeau-accused-of-groping-young-reporter-in-2000/
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The "Virtue Signal Man", hailed like a second coming of mythical dude from the old fairy tales by lefties, was not spared. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :roll::D

Papenbrook

06-09-2018, 09:55 AM

Oh no, Justin Trudeau!

https://www.dangerous.com/44481/justin-trudeau-accused-of-groping-young-reporter-in-2000/

Eh ... I'm not surprised. :ohwell:

There was always something off about him.

IndigoErth

06-09-2018, 11:50 AM

But when you read about 80-90 year olds like Stan Lee and Morgan Freeman making unwanted advance on women, you have to remember they're from a time long gone by.
I don't care what era they are from, I'm sure there has NEVER been a time that getting hit on by an 80 or 90-year old wasn't gross, unless you too are that age.

So doing so is a definite lack of personal insight or consideration for others and just fully centered on a "me" mentality they can't see past. Being old enough to not give a crap doesn't change anything.

People with dementia can't be fixed and they do act out in inappropriate ways sometimes and aren't even aware of it a minute later. But if you aren't suffering from such brain degeneration and still pretty well have all your marbles, there is zero excuse... They didn't stay back in time like some Twilight Zone ep, remaining in a world decades ago but still existing like an alternate universe, they joined the same culture everyone else is a part of in its progression to what it is now and the things that changed from okay to not okay (or visa versa); they weren't absent for that.

Papenbrook

06-11-2018, 09:01 AM

Demi Lovato tried to excuse a sexual assault "prank". (https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44354359)

Papenbrook

06-15-2018, 11:09 AM

In the wake of the #metoo movement, Netflix is now enacting new rules. (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/netflix-sexual-harassment-training-rules-me-too-flirting-on-set-a8396431.html)

I approve of this. :)

plastroncafe

06-15-2018, 11:28 AM

So how about that Chris Hardwick?

Andrew NDB

06-15-2018, 11:40 AM

So how about that Chris Hardwick?

I read the missive. I dunno... she sounds pretty salty. The "very rarely being shown any affection" part in particular stands out. I'm sure there's elements in there that are true, others probably exaggerated, but I'd like to hear his side of the story.

Jester

06-15-2018, 12:00 PM

Oh no! What does this mean for Netflix new hit show, Celebrity Staring Contest?

BartAllen

06-15-2018, 01:18 PM

Those rules are idiotic. Don't stare at anyone for longer than 5 seconds? lmao.

plastroncafe

06-15-2018, 01:23 PM

Those rules sound perfectly logical to me, but then I'm a New Englander and as a rule we frown upon contact, both physical and eye.

(this is sarcasm)

Sumac

06-15-2018, 02:26 PM

New rules imposed on set reportedly include no looking at anyone for longer than five seconds, no lingering hugs, no flirting and no asking for a colleague's phone number.
At this point they just might replace all the crew with robots.
Or just put blankets over all people, so they won't be able to establish any kind of interpersonal contact. Muslims would approve, I am sure.

Honestly this is idiotic. Unwanted hugs and touches is one thing, looks and just generally being friendly, and more importantly human, is another. But apparently they have decided to discard humanity for the sake of being non offensive.

How soon they will start reference to the people as "non-defined human beings" to not offend anyone?

Andrew NDB

06-15-2018, 02:58 PM

How soon they will start reference to the people as "non-defined human beings" to not offend anyone?

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-09/20/20/campaign_images/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane01/heres-justin-trudeau-saying-yaaas-on-a-loop-for-e-2-19984-1474418697-0_dblbig.jpg

Sumac

06-15-2018, 03:34 PM

The more I hear about lefty ********, the more I remember one short story I've read many years ago.

One moment that I've remembered the most from it, was when main character (who somehow was transferred from modern world into this future) was trying to get a job and during the talk with the manager he was unable to describe himself.

Their dialogue was approximately as follows:
- I am man...
- Don't say you're man, you will offend women!
- OK, I am young human...
- Don't say you're young, you will offend old people!
And so on.

Back then I thought it was hyperbole. Seems there is no idea idiotic enough to not to become true at the hands of some zealous cretins.

P.S.
Another moment from this story I have remembered was the Church of Darwin. Christianity, but which replaced fictional crap with Darwin and his evolution theory. There was even a choir of singers like in church. :P

P.P.S.
And another story I remember is an about "Invisible men". It was adapted at one of the Twilight Zone series.
Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4U-UUFYPLE)

It was about certain humans deemed unfriendly to the rest of humanity so they received tattoo on their foreheads to make them "invisible" (not literally_ to the rest of the people, depriving those punished from any human contact. They could go anywhere and take anything, but no human ever would have reacted on them. And their crime was that they were apparently "unfriendly and arrogant".

Autbot_Benz

06-15-2018, 04:32 PM

So Basically Netflix's new rules is the premise of Ninja Sex Party's song 6969 where human touch had been outlawed :lol:

Prowler

06-15-2018, 05:46 PM

How will they even enforce the "no looking at anyone for longer than five seconds" rule?! Will they actually time it? :lol:

FredWolfLeonardo

06-15-2018, 05:48 PM

How will they even enforce the "no looking at anyone for longer than five seconds" rule?! Will they actually time it? :lol:

100 Lashes for he who does not lower his gaze and is an adulterer by heart.

Sumac

06-15-2018, 07:30 PM

How will they even enforce the "no looking at anyone for longer than five seconds" rule?! Will they actually time it? :lol:
They will hire special people who will watch how long people look at each other.
Then they will, inevitably, hire people to look at people who will look how long people look at each other.
Ad infinitum.

Or they will pretend to write some special algorithm for their security cameras, which no-one will give a **** about.

All in all, in pursuit of Social Justice, those idiots made a laughing stock out of Social Justice. Again.

I approve of this. :)
Why I am not surprised.
But I wonder, how long do you look at people?

You know, if you approve of this rule, you should follow it by yourself, since you are such a devour Social Studies zealot and should show people by example, you know.

So, now, if you look at people longer than 5 seconds, you are sexual harasser, just like 99,9% of the humanity, regardless of their sex because they are not braindead robots who actually do contact with humans outside of their idealized fantasies..

I hope you are ready to pay fines. Lots of them. :lol:

Prowler

06-15-2018, 07:33 PM

They will hire special people who will watch how long people look at each other.
Then they will, inevitably, hire people to look at people who will look how long people look at each other.
Ad infinitum.

.
More minimum wage jobs, how nice. Yay for precarity.

Nice way for Netflix to invest their money on instead of, I dunno, more shows and movies? :lol:

Autbot_Benz

06-16-2018, 12:04 AM

Hardwick Responds says Chloe Dykstra is lying about the abuse.

http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2018/06/16/chris-hardwick-responds-to-abuse-allegations/

Sumac

06-16-2018, 08:20 AM

I wonder what will happen if some very high profile sexual harassment case will 100% debunked?

AT-Man

06-16-2018, 08:47 AM

If one blinks in less than 5 second intervals, they can't possibly look at someone continuously for too long. Crisis averted.

ZariusTwo

06-16-2018, 03:48 PM

All of Hardwick's shows have been pulled and he will not be hosting panels at SDCC

http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a859614/talking-dead-host-chris-hardwick-denies-sexually-assaulting-chloe-dykstra/

NinjaPug

06-16-2018, 06:21 PM

Hardwick Responds says Chloe Dykstra is lying about the abuse.

http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2018/06/16/chris-hardwick-responds-to-abuse-allegations/

Wow. Don't think I'd go with the accuse her of lying because you broke up with her for cheating on you defense on this.

Vegita-San

06-16-2018, 06:25 PM

i find this one a bit weird..

on the one hand, I've ALWAYS gotten flack for saying something about hardwick just looked like a phony, fake nerd. and more like a used car salesman/business man selling snake oil. I've always hated how he took something that was so personal to people and basically corporatized it and sucked its soul dry.
that, and I NEVER understood how he basically rose out of the gutter over night from basically nowhere, and then was suddenly EVERYWHERE, hob nobbing with the worlds biggest stars and getting some very rare guests on his podcast that didn't show up anywhere else, and then wasted the opportunity big time.... like rick moranis (where he talked more about himself than moranis, BTW).

but on the other hand, all it takes is one accusation and your hollywood life is over. I can see why people think their might be which hunts if in 24 hours your career can be ruined.

I can kind of see hardwick being a controlling jerkwad though. so it wouldn't surprise me if this one is true.

at this point, there will be no celebrities in hollywood left as they get widdled down one by one.

you almost have to play the name game when you see one trending on twitter.
death, fake death, or accusation?